Naaah, everyone knows the Gungans only bumbled into trashing a few extra droids (fun stuff, that, especially how he accidentally kills the first one and half-intentionally kills the second one and the droideka at the end of the blaster scene) before they were defeated. Skywalkers are where it's at.
Everyone thinks... I still buy into the theory that Jar Jar was actually the anti-Yoda Sith Lord and the True Phantom Menace... (Lucas just lost his nerve and didn't stick with the concept...) The bumbling buffoonery was all just an act designed to lower one's defences... Jar Jar really was a Master of manipulating in plain sight
I can see Jar Jar doing this pose as he plots the subjugation of both Star Wars and Star Trek universes.
Never underestimate the power of bumbling your way to victory!
There is however only 1 possible counter to this ploy. Assembling a large force of "Elite" Ferengi Commandos. Hey, it did work before against professional soldiers! But this service will not be cheap.
I can see Jar Jar doing this pose as he plots the subjugation of both Star Wars and Star Trek universes.
Never underestimate the power of bumbling your way to victory!
Definitely that pose
But re the bumbling, according to the theory, Jar Jar's clumsy behaviour was a carefully executed tactic, like the 'drunken style' kung-fu... The suggestions made in the theory, are that he was actually in absolutely complete control all the time, and even when he shot the droids in the end battle 'by luck', as Han said, "In my experience, there's no such thing as luck..." Of course, it's only a theory, but it actually makes sense
There is however only 1 possible counter to this ploy. Assembling a large force of "Elite" Ferengi Commandos. Hey, it did work before against professional soldiers! But this service will not be cheap.
A handful of Ferengi were able to take over the Enterprise-D, they know how to throw-down when needbe
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A handful of Ferengi were able to take over the Enterprise-D, they know how to throw-down when needbe
A handful of Ferengi also tried looting the NX class Enterprise 200 years earlier. They also thought Porthos was intelligent based on the size of his ears.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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A handful of Ferengi were able to take over the Enterprise-D, they know how to throw-down when needbe
A handful of Ferengi also tried looting the NX class Enterprise 200 years earlier. They also thought Porthos was intelligent based on the size of his ears.
A handful of Ferengi were able to take over the Enterprise-D, they know how to throw-down when needbe
A handful of Ferengi also tried looting the NX class Enterprise 200 years earlier. They also thought Porthos was intelligent based on the size of his ears.
Porthos IS intelligent!
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
For some reason I get the feeling this thread has gone from Borg vs. Star Wars to how do blasters work to whether or not the Ferengi are good warriors, but maybe that's just me.
As for the inner workings of blasters, I really don't think that'd make much difference against the Borg, as they'd adapt anyway and assimilate everyone. Seriously, they'd go in, assimilate everyone (including Jar Jar), and take over the galaxy, only to build more transwarp gates, come BACK to our own galaxy, and assimilate so much that they would be able to take over the universe and start an all out dimensional war. Long story short: don't let the Borg cross into the Star Wars universe, as it'd be bad news for everyone.
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
For some reason I get the feeling this thread has gone from Borg vs. Star Wars to how do blasters work to whether or not the Ferengi are good warriors, but maybe that's just me.
As for the inner workings of blasters, I really don't think that'd make much difference against the Borg, as they'd adapt anyway and assimilate everyone. Seriously, they'd go in, assimilate everyone (including Jar Jar), and take over the galaxy, only to build more transwarp gates, come BACK to our own galaxy, and assimilate so much that they would be able to take over the universe and start an all out dimensional war. Long story short: don't let the Borg cross into the Star Wars universe, as it'd be bad news for everyone.
You don't understand how bumbling comedy leads to victory in movies
If the Borg assimilate Jar Jar, they'd assimilate the bumbling comedy, and thus win the same way.
Winning.
It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
There are many differences though. They don't use nanites, they use biotech, they suck at efficiency, and they capture and convert people to be slave labor doomed to get exposed to toxic chemicals daily.... then die horribly.
Naaah, everyone knows the Gungans only bumbled into trashing a few extra droids (fun stuff, that, especially how he accidentally kills the first one and half-intentionally kills the second one and the droideka at the end of the blaster scene) before they were defeated. Skywalkers are where it's at.
Out of curiosity, aside from the rare moon sized death rays, why are people assuming Star Wars ship weapons are powerful? Going by what I've seen in the movies and TV shows (pretty much the only canon that counts anymore) they usually slug it out with other ships without inflicting that much damage.
The only real ship to ship battles we see in any detail are during the Clone Wars, and those fights were usually long battles of attrition. The simple fact that the starfighters can inflict any damage at all against capital ships tells us that the shield technology must not be very effective against the weapons.
The only really impressive weapons in canon SW are the super-weapons from the movies, which are hardly good indicators of the technology levels considering their sizes and limited quantities.
In terms of the other technology of SW, the only ones that are of note are their hyperdrives (which require detailed star maps with time consuming navigational calculations to work) and their galaxy spanning FTL-communications. Everything else tends to be a tad archaic (a stylistic choice) in comparison.
Out of curiosity, aside from the rare moon sized death rays, why are people assuming Star Wars ship weapons are powerful? Going by what I've seen in the movies and TV shows (pretty much the only canon that counts anymore) they usually slug it out with other ships without inflicting that much damage.
well, the fact that we've seen turbolasers vape good sized asteroids would be a good sense of power, since a photon torpedo from the ent-d only managed to blow one to pieces in one TNG episode, and i can't recall offhand any instance of a weapon in star trek managing to outright vaporize one
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An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
Even with the hypothetical difference in tech between these 2 fictional universes, the problem the SW universe would face is that the Borg only have to assimilate 1 ship to get access to that tech and adapt. Once the happened, any advantage they previously had in weapon strength would be gone. The only thing that could possibly save them at that point would be the Force, which is a wild card in this scenario. There are stories where a Jedi/Sith has used the force to keep themselves from being infected with a disease, or keep it from spreading after being infected by surprise. Whether that would work against assimilation is a nonsensical debate with no correct answer.
I would like to take note that both the Empire and the Federation have a standing general order that permits a Captain to annihilate all life on a planet if it poses a sufficient threat to other worlds. This implies that Galactic Empire ships from Star Destroyer upward as well as Federation ships from Constitution-class upward have the capacity to create such a degree of destruction in a timely manner with only one ship.
This implies that Galactic Empire ships from Star Destroyer upward as well as Federation ships from Constitution-class upward have the capacity to create such a degree of destruction in a timely manner with only one ship.
I disagree. It only implies someone thought that would be an interesting plot point/dilemma for a story. But nothing I have seen in any the movies suggests either of those single ships could destroy all life on a planet. Unless we're talking about some kind of magical device like genesis or red matter, which wouldn't even require a capital ship to launch.
No, in this case we're more talking about "Phasering/bombarding the planet until the oceans boil off and all organic matter is chemically decomposed by the Venus-like heat". Remember, just one Photon Torpedo can carry enough antimatter to match the United States' entire current nuclear arsenal--and a single kilogram of antimatter rivals the destructive potential of the Tsar Bomba, the largest 20th century nuke ever built.
No, in this case we're more talking about "Phasering/bombarding the planet until the oceans boil off and all organic matter is chemically decomposed by the Venus-like heat". Remember, just one Photon Torpedo can carry enough antimatter to match the United States' entire current nuclear arsenal--and a single kilogram of antimatter rivals the destructive potential of the Tsar Bomba, the largest 20th century nuke ever built.
Yeah, that sounds like some pretty insane exaggeration. Remember when the Borg sphere was shooting Cochran's little town in FC? The place didn't go up in a mushroom cloud like it had been nuked, it just blew up a few buildings. And remember, the Borg *wanted* to kill Cochran; they weren't playing around shooting weak shots at him. Again, nothing shown in the movies suggests those ships have that kind of firepower. What you described sounds like hard core fan fiction, not what was actually shown.
Even with the hypothetical difference in tech between these 2 fictional universes, the problem the SW universe would face is that the Borg only have to assimilate 1 ship to get access to that tech and adapt. Once the happened, any advantage they previously had in weapon strength would be gone. The only thing that could possibly save them at that point would be the Force, which is a wild card in this scenario. There are stories where a Jedi/Sith has used the force to keep themselves from being infected with a disease, or keep it from spreading after being infected by surprise. Whether that would work against assimilation is a nonsensical debate with no correct answer.
I disagree. Force powers require a conscious effort of will don't they? Soo.... if the Force user is unconscious.....
Haven't read this whole thread, since I know how these STvSW discussions usually devolve, so perhaps this has already been said, but: Borg would win hands down easily and quickly.
Three main reasons: teleportation technology, nanoprobes, and their ability to adapt.
Beam over a couple of drones to start assimilating the poor storm troopers. Before you know it Star Destroyer (or whatever ship you like) is now a Borg vessel, and oh by the way with access to all SW technology, instantly disseminated to all other Borg who are now immune to it and can now use it against their enemies.
You would derive the theory based on what you have seen but thats just the problem right there. The only Star Trek to ever show a full scale war, and even then it was minimized by the main story, was Star Trek Deep space Nine. In this series they clearly state that each faction had fleets with hundreds of ships in each one. Now take that and understand that in the Star Trek universe shields work completely different. Case and point star trek the motion picture. My point in all this is hands down the Borg would assimilate the remnants of the Empire and the New Republic. For every soldier the Empire and the Republic has, is one more drone for the Borg. Unlike Star Trek they would have no adaptations for their weapons to stop the Borg. Lastly someone was correct in saying Star Trek equals Federation. I always never understood why they never focused on a crew and captain of a D'deridex class Romulan Warbird for a movie, defending the Romulan Star Empire. This was before the JJ incident. Now of course that aspect will not be explored ever. Why not a crew from a Klingon warship. Star Trek has allot of areas that are a big mystery with no bounds on number of quadrants or space.
This implies that Galactic Empire ships from Star Destroyer upward as well as Federation ships from Constitution-class upward have the capacity to create such a degree of destruction in a timely manner with only one ship.
I disagree. It only implies someone thought that would be an interesting plot point/dilemma for a story. But nothing I have seen in any the movies suggests either of those single ships could destroy all life on a planet. Unless we're talking about some kind of magical device like genesis or red matter, which wouldn't even require a capital ship to launch.
Well, some Klingons destroyed a whole ecosystem to keep those Preserver DNA fragments out of the hands of others - with a single ship.
And the Tal'Shiar/Obsidian Order fleet did blow up the outer crust of a planet with a few minutes or of bombardment before they got cut to pieces by a Jem'Hadar fleet.
We've never really seen a Star Destroyer orbital bombardment, however. The attack on Hoth didn't allow direct bombardment due to the Rebel Ion Cannons, if I remember correctly.
Of course, the Borg Sphere attack on the Warp project was pretty unimpressive.
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Did they sy the Borg sphere in "Worst Contact" used photon torpedoes? They could have been plasma bolts. Or micro torpedoes.
A Constitution class starship having planet devestating firepower is canon. But it doesn't say you can't load torpedoes with less payload or use alternate weaponry to attack a planet without wasting it.
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
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Did they sy the Borg sphere in "Worst Contact" used photon torpedoes? They could have been plasma bolts. Or micro torpedoes.
A Constitution class starship having planet devestating firepower is canon. But it doesn't say you can't load torpedoes with less payload or use alternate weaponry to attack a planet without wasting it.
I think it was actually disruptor bolts.
Also, the Borg wanted to only destroy the Phoenix. All the people were scheduled for assimilation.
It seems likely that stage 2 of the Borg attack was to beam down a contingent of drones and start assimilating everyone. Including Cochrane.
There are many differences though. They don't use nanites, they use biotech, they suck at efficiency, and they capture and convert people to be slave labor doomed to get exposed to toxic chemicals daily.... then die horribly.
The images of an Iskalloni shown in that link could quite easily be a Borg in a graphic novel. There may be differences, but it's clear that the Iskalloni were based upon the Borg... I doubt the writers would deny that either... Neil Gaiman, on the other hand, when accused of basing his portrayal of the Cybermen on the Borg, claimed to have never heard of them... (As if one of the generation's most popular sci-fi writers could be unaware of one of the most popular franchise's most iconic antagonists )
We haven't seen a series set aboard a Romulan ship during the height of the Empire, or a Klingon ship defending the Komerex Klingon, for one simple reason. The audience for any such show is Human. You'd have to alter the alien philosophies to something Humans are more comfortable with, or reduce the audience to just those few of us who are actually interested in alien ways of being. (And even then the scripts are written by Humans; a cursory survey of SF would show that there aren't that many writers who are good at thinking in ways that differ significantly from Human, and a lot of them are getting on in years.)
Even the alien characters in existing Trek shows (Spock, Data (and, to a lesser extent, Worf), Kira, T'Pol) are there to provide an external perspective on the story - they filter the experience so that things normal in the future can be made more explicit for the modern audience. (Try to imagine explaining Internet culture to someone living in the year I was born, when JFK was still alive and men walking on the moon was absurd sci-fi stuff, not history. Without an "outside" observer, it's quite difficult.)
This implies that Galactic Empire ships from Star Destroyer upward as well as Federation ships from Constitution-class upward have the capacity to create such a degree of destruction in a timely manner with only one ship.
I disagree. It only implies someone thought that would be an interesting plot point/dilemma for a story. But nothing I have seen in any the movies suggests either of those single ships could destroy all life on a planet. Unless we're talking about some kind of magical device like genesis or red matter, which wouldn't even require a capital ship to launch.
Sisko made a planet completely uninhabitable with the Defiant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGcAbI-4_io
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
We haven't seen a series set aboard a Romulan ship during the height of the Empire, or a Klingon ship defending the Komerex Klingon, for one simple reason. The audience for any such show is Human. You'd have to alter the alien philosophies to something Humans are more comfortable with, or reduce the audience to just those few of us who are actually interested in alien ways of being. (And even then the scripts are written by Humans; a cursory survey of SF would show that there aren't that many writers who are good at thinking in ways that differ significantly from Human, and a lot of them are getting on in years.)
Even the alien characters in existing Trek shows (Spock, Data (and, to a lesser extent, Worf), Kira, T'Pol) are there to provide an external perspective on the story - they filter the experience so that things normal in the future can be made more explicit for the modern audience. (Try to imagine explaining Internet culture to someone living in the year I was born, when JFK was still alive and men walking on the moon was absurd sci-fi stuff, not history. Without an "outside" observer, it's quite difficult.)
Good point but too bad at the same time. It would be most interesting to see a series like that.
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I can see Jar Jar doing this pose as he plots the subjugation of both Star Wars and Star Trek universes.
Never underestimate the power of bumbling your way to victory!
There is however only 1 possible counter to this ploy. Assembling a large force of "Elite" Ferengi Commandos. Hey, it did work before against professional soldiers! But this service will not be cheap.
But re the bumbling, according to the theory, Jar Jar's clumsy behaviour was a carefully executed tactic, like the 'drunken style' kung-fu... The suggestions made in the theory, are that he was actually in absolutely complete control all the time, and even when he shot the droids in the end battle 'by luck', as Han said, "In my experience, there's no such thing as luck..."
A handful of Ferengi were able to take over the Enterprise-D, they know how to throw-down when needbe
A handful of Ferengi also tried looting the NX class Enterprise 200 years earlier. They also thought Porthos was intelligent based on the size of his ears.
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Porthos IS intelligent!
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
As for the inner workings of blasters, I really don't think that'd make much difference against the Borg, as they'd adapt anyway and assimilate everyone. Seriously, they'd go in, assimilate everyone (including Jar Jar), and take over the galaxy, only to build more transwarp gates, come BACK to our own galaxy, and assimilate so much that they would be able to take over the universe and start an all out dimensional war. Long story short: don't let the Borg cross into the Star Wars universe, as it'd be bad news for everyone.
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
You don't understand how bumbling comedy leads to victory in movies
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
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Nope, that is definitely *not* true.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
The only real ship to ship battles we see in any detail are during the Clone Wars, and those fights were usually long battles of attrition. The simple fact that the starfighters can inflict any damage at all against capital ships tells us that the shield technology must not be very effective against the weapons.
The only really impressive weapons in canon SW are the super-weapons from the movies, which are hardly good indicators of the technology levels considering their sizes and limited quantities.
In terms of the other technology of SW, the only ones that are of note are their hyperdrives (which require detailed star maps with time consuming navigational calculations to work) and their galaxy spanning FTL-communications. Everything else tends to be a tad archaic (a stylistic choice) in comparison.
well, the fact that we've seen turbolasers vape good sized asteroids would be a good sense of power, since a photon torpedo from the ent-d only managed to blow one to pieces in one TNG episode, and i can't recall offhand any instance of a weapon in star trek managing to outright vaporize one
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The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I disagree. It only implies someone thought that would be an interesting plot point/dilemma for a story. But nothing I have seen in any the movies suggests either of those single ships could destroy all life on a planet. Unless we're talking about some kind of magical device like genesis or red matter, which wouldn't even require a capital ship to launch.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
The Borg don't do Bumbling Comedy. It is inefficient.
Yeah, that sounds like some pretty insane exaggeration. Remember when the Borg sphere was shooting Cochran's little town in FC? The place didn't go up in a mushroom cloud like it had been nuked, it just blew up a few buildings. And remember, the Borg *wanted* to kill Cochran; they weren't playing around shooting weak shots at him. Again, nothing shown in the movies suggests those ships have that kind of firepower. What you described sounds like hard core fan fiction, not what was actually shown.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
My character Tsin'xing
Three main reasons: teleportation technology, nanoprobes, and their ability to adapt.
Beam over a couple of drones to start assimilating the poor storm troopers. Before you know it Star Destroyer (or whatever ship you like) is now a Borg vessel, and oh by the way with access to all SW technology, instantly disseminated to all other Borg who are now immune to it and can now use it against their enemies.
Well, some Klingons destroyed a whole ecosystem to keep those Preserver DNA fragments out of the hands of others - with a single ship.
And the Tal'Shiar/Obsidian Order fleet did blow up the outer crust of a planet with a few minutes or of bombardment before they got cut to pieces by a Jem'Hadar fleet.
We've never really seen a Star Destroyer orbital bombardment, however. The attack on Hoth didn't allow direct bombardment due to the Rebel Ion Cannons, if I remember correctly.
Of course, the Borg Sphere attack on the Warp project was pretty unimpressive.
A Constitution class starship having planet devestating firepower is canon. But it doesn't say you can't load torpedoes with less payload or use alternate weaponry to attack a planet without wasting it.
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Also, the Borg wanted to only destroy the Phoenix. All the people were scheduled for assimilation.
It seems likely that stage 2 of the Borg attack was to beam down a contingent of drones and start assimilating everyone. Including Cochrane.
My character Tsin'xing
Even the alien characters in existing Trek shows (Spock, Data (and, to a lesser extent, Worf), Kira, T'Pol) are there to provide an external perspective on the story - they filter the experience so that things normal in the future can be made more explicit for the modern audience. (Try to imagine explaining Internet culture to someone living in the year I was born, when JFK was still alive and men walking on the moon was absurd sci-fi stuff, not history. Without an "outside" observer, it's quite difficult.)
Sisko made a planet completely uninhabitable with the Defiant.
"He shall be my finest warrior, this generic man who was forced upon me.
Like a badass I shall make him look, and in the furnace of war I shall forge him.
he shall be of iron will and steely sinew.
In great armour I shall clad him and with the mightiest weapons he shall be armed.
He will be untouched by plague or disease; no sickness shall blight him.
He shall have such tactics, strategies and machines that no foe will best him in battle.
He is my answer to cryptic logic, he is the Defender of my Romulan Crew.
He is Tovan Khev... and he shall know no fear."
Good point but too bad at the same time. It would be most interesting to see a series like that.