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And that's not taking into consideration Klingon and Romulan Cloaking technology, which was VASTLY superior to the old Star Wars EU cloaks as they could still see where they were going. I believe the Star Wars cloaks had a "Double Blind" detail.
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Star Wars: The Clone Wars has an episode with a cloaking ship that avoided the sensors of various separatist vessels, and it's been said throughout the franchise (Empire Strikes Back, for example) about there being much larger ships with cloaking technology, presumably good enough cloaking technology to avoid detection from Imperial Star Destroyers. Just something worth pointing out.
As for Hypespace being faster and the Empire being able to build Death Stars, the Iconians have gateways and have built numerous Dyson Spheres. I think that makes them both faster and more resourceful.
On the matter of actual combat, the Borg could easily skip that and just drop a nano-probe loaded multi-kinetic neutronic mine in each star system (and in proximity to any Death Stars), detonate the mines, and simply let the nano-probes assimilate everyone. The Star Wars universe would barely know what hit them.
As for the Borg not being in contact with the collective back home, they have ways to maintain contact over long distances and even other dimensions (like Fluidic Space), so they'd stay in contact. Or if all else fails, they could just bring the entire collective. Problem solved.
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It were only certain cloaking devices (like the one held in the Mount Tantiss storehouse on Wayland) that were double-blind. Plenty of other cloaking devices, including personal ones (most popular during the KOTOR era, though the Shadowtroopers fielded by Desann and Galak Fyyar also had these), worked like the Star Trek ones.
(Also, this is specifically about the Borg. Iconians can stay on Iconia.)
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Phasers, on the other hand, phase... what? Even the writers couldn't make up their minds, I just checked.
Yes, but you actually have to be thinking about what you're writing if you come up with the word "phaser." I don't like writers who treat me, as a consumer, with contempt, as if I don't care what they write - I'll just gobble it up anyway. Star Trek isn't always great on this, but it's far far from the worst.
Additionally, and probably most importantly, it tells me the writer actually likes his universe and cares about it enough to be detailed.
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Phasers, on the other hand, phase... what? Even the writers couldn't make up their minds, I just checked.
Yes, but you actually have to be thinking about what you're writing if you come up with the word "phaser." I don't like writers who treat me, as a consumer, with contempt, as if I don't care what they write - I'll just gobble it up anyway. Star Trek isn't always great on this, but it's far far from the worst.
Hmm, I suppose so, though Abrams' attempts at handling either franchise seem to have a lot of "they'll gobble it up anyway" in them...
Besides which, 'phaser' was apparently originally coined as a portmanteau of 'photon' and 'maser'. Photon maser... oh, wait, that's a laser.
Additionally, and probably most importantly, it tells me the writer actually likes his universe and cares about it enough to be detailed.
But not enough to actually figure out what the details are and stick with them? Not particularly impressive - not that this sort of thing ever kept me from enjoying the universe.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Yes, but you actually have to be thinking about what you're writing if you come up with the word "phaser." I don't like writers who treat me, as a consumer, with contempt, as if I don't care what they write - I'll just gobble it up anyway. Star Trek isn't always great on this, but it's far far from the worst.
Additionally, and probably most importantly, it tells me the writer actually likes his universe and cares about it enough to be detailed.
While I DO find Star Wars not as interesting from a sci-fi perspective, it may also be that SW is put in the wrong category. To my mind it's much more of a fantasy in space, and if you compare it against other fantasy franchises, like LotR or Harry Potter, the comparison isn't so unfavorable for Wars.
Not that Star Trek is always all that great at accuracy with science, and sometimes they have things work on refined phlebotinum, but it at least qualifies as soft sci-fi.
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"Phaser" is, according to the book, an acronym for "phased energy rectification" – named for the process of turning stored energy into an energy beam without an intermediate transformation.
The original origin may have meant that, but it evolved over time.
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And NO! SW weapons are NOT lasers. They are kinetic, they leave behind cartages, they travel slower than light, they are not lasers.
since when? the only time i've ever seen a gun leave behind shells in star wars was during ROTS, and there in nothing in what little canon remains to say that emplacement was a blaster, laser cannon or turbolaser of ANY variety, because the film itself sure as hell said nothing about it
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The explanation given by showrunners before the publication of the Technical Manual was that it was a laser beam fired in phase with a charged particle beam - not unlike the device invented in California a few years back that uses a low-powered laser to ionize an air channel, directing an electrical discharge across a space for a sort of wireless taser effect. (His device was a box about three feet tall by four feet wide by five feet long, not exactly man-portable, but then the first cannon didn't exactly look like a .38 Police Special either...)
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And NO! SW weapons are NOT lasers. They are kinetic, they leave behind cartages, they travel slower than light, they are not lasers.
since when? the only time i've ever seen a gun leave behind shells in star wars was during ROTS, and there in nothing in what little canon remains to say that emplacement was a blaster, laser cannon or turbolaser of ANY variety, because the film itself sure as hell said nothing about it
He's citing the use of blanks in Ep 4 to determine WHEN to put in the blaster shots when they fire. Behind the Scenes stuff that equal a filming mistake of not editing out or hiding something for special effects.
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And NO! SW weapons are NOT lasers. They are kinetic, they leave behind cartages, they travel slower than light, they are not lasers.
since when? the only time i've ever seen a gun leave behind shells in star wars was during ROTS, and there in nothing in what little canon remains to say that emplacement was a blaster, laser cannon or turbolaser of ANY variety, because the film itself sure as hell said nothing about it
He's citing the use of blanks in Ep 4 to determine WHEN to put in the blaster shots when they fire. Behind the Scenes stuff that equal a filming mistake of not editing out or hiding something for special effects.
what blanks? there were no blanks in MY new hope film; it was all pure energy bolts and laser swords (and physical torpedoes that looked like they were on fire; though, considering a proton is a particle and we've never actually SEEN actual physical torpedo ammunition on screen, it may very well be an energy-based torpedo)
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Apparently at one point they didn't disguise the shell casings coming from the E-11s when using blanks to let the special effects guys know when to add the blaster fire. Therefor someone believes that that film error = Blasters are projectile weapons.
Just before Leia and Luke swing across the chasm in the Death Star (and at other times), the "blasters" they are shooting are seen to eject shell casings. This is because the guns used in the movie are just dressed-up blank-firing prop guns.
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The cartridges for the blasters were from a long,long,time ago [1976] before the invention of computer graphics right? Hehhehheh... and yet the original Star Trek TV series had phasers from the get go. Yep, this is definitely a "EASY" win for the Borg assimilation resistance would be futile.
The cartridges for the blasters were from a long,long,time ago [1976] before the invention of computer graphics right? Hehhehheh... and yet the original Star Trek TV series had phasers from the get go.
The budget for Star Wars was really low, with no money to go back and fix FX mistakes (which is why there are also visible green-screen squares around the TIE fighters during the Falcon's escape from the Death Star). 20th-Century Fox had so little confidence in the flick, they let Lucas keep the merchandising rights - which formed the basis for his personal fortune, as well as launching Skywalker Sound and Industrial Light and Magic.
> @arnthebard said: > Can you imagine if the Death Star was assimilated by the Borg? Would resistance be futile? Is there anything that could possibly stop the Borg in that genre? There are a ton of fanboys who think Star Trek is the weaker universe. Please post your opinions below.
Who needs a death star when you can assimilate the Sith AND the Jedi?
All logic is based on assumption, but not all assumption is based on logic.
Hmm, I suppose so, though Abrams' attempts at handling either franchise seem to have a lot of "they'll gobble it up anyway" in them...
I wasn't talking about Abrams - when I say "Star Trek" I don't include anything written by Roberto Orci. I'm more willing to ascent to the writing atrocity that was the first three seasons of Enterprise than admit Orci has earned his place in Trek canon. Berman and Braga actually have earned their place in Trek canon and, therefore, may be more easily forgiven when they royally TRIBBLE up the writing.
Besides which, 'phaser' was apparently originally coined as a portmanteau of 'photon' and 'maser'. Photon maser... oh, wait, that's a laser.
That I didn't know. I thought it was based on the concept of "phase" from wave theory. Regardless, it's still not named after basically an onomatopoeia and your assertion verifies that they put some thought into its name.
But not enough to actually figure out what the details are and stick with them? Not particularly impressive - not that this sort of thing ever kept me from enjoying the universe.
No, those details aren't important. There's too much detail and there's too little. If you describe only perfectly real technologies in your sci-fi that you can hand someone real schematics for you're not writing sci-fi. "Phasers" exist so frequently in ST that it's important to give them a good and convincing name - same with blasters - but the name isn't thought out.
This is not what I base my dislike of Star Wars on. I dislike Star Wars' stern allegiance to black and white moral conceptions, its superficial aphorisms quoted by Yoda, its whiny emo teenager protagonists (Luke and Anakin), its mustache twirling villain plots, and its general lack of intellect. I certainly don't regard Star Trek as some sort of pinnacle of intellectualism in TV/film - but it's far better than most of it.
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> > This is not what I base my dislike of Star Wars on. I dislike Star Wars' stern allegiance to black and white moral conceptions - it's superficial aphorisms quoted by Yoda, it's whiny emo teenager protagonists (Luke and Anakin) and its generally lack of intellect. I certainly don't regard Star Trek as some sort of pinnacle of intellectualism in TV/film - but it's far better than most of it.
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Actually, give it some thought. Borg queen invades galaxy where Jar Jar Binks is "Bombad General" . . .
All logic is based on assumption, but not all assumption is based on logic.
"At the end of the movie, I really care about what happens to the characters … but I’m pretty much missing Gene Roddenberry in J.J.’s interpretation … and at the end of the day, that’s just not OK for me." - Levar Burton
"[OrciTrek] doesn’t have the story heart that the best of my Star Trek had," - William Shatner
"It doesn’t have that element that made … Gene Roddenberry‘s ‘Star Trek,’ what it was." - George Takei
"The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action." - Roger Ebert
Hmm, I suppose so, though Abrams' attempts at handling either franchise seem to have a lot of "they'll gobble it up anyway" in them...
I wasn't talking about Abrams - when I say "Star Trek" I don't include anything written by Roberto Orci. I'm more willing to ascent to the writing atrocity that was the first three seasons of Enterprise than admit Orci has earned his place in Trek canon. Berman and Braga actually have earned their place in Trek canon and, therefore, may be more easily forgiven when they royally TRIBBLE up the writing.
Besides which, 'phaser' was apparently originally coined as a portmanteau of 'photon' and 'maser'. Photon maser... oh, wait, that's a laser.
That I didn't know. I thought it was based on the concept of "phase" from wave theory. Regardless, it's still not named after basically an onomatopoeia and your assertion verifies that they put some thought into its name.
Hmm, Jon's actually right. The 'photon maser' originated from an unauthorized TOS reference book published in 2013.
But not enough to actually figure out what the details are and stick with them? Not particularly impressive - not that this sort of thing ever kept me from enjoying the universe.
No, those details aren't important. There's too much detail and there's too little. If you describe only perfectly real technologies in your sci-fi that you can hand someone real schematics for you're not writing sci-fi. "Phasers" exist so frequently in ST that it's important to give them a good and convincing name - same with blasters - but the name isn't thought out.
My point was actually that while they did come up with some pseudoscientific explanation for why the weapon works - just like Star Wars - the explanation itself changed considerably with each new technical manual/reference book. Blasters and lightsabers, on the other hand, don't seem to have been anything except 'unexplained' and 'we do this and that with plasma' throughout the franchise's history.
This is not what I base my dislike of Star Wars on. I dislike Star Wars' stern allegiance to black and white moral conceptions, its superficial aphorisms quoted by Yoda, its whiny emo teenager protagonists (Luke and Anakin), its mustache twirling villain plots, and its general lack of intellect. I certainly don't regard Star Trek as some sort of pinnacle of intellectualism in TV/film - but it's far better than most of it.
IIRC, I've heard that the 'black and white moral conceptions' have started to fade away in TFA (more so in The Clone Wars, if memory serves), and the aphorisms have gone the way of the dinosaur with Yoda's death. That sounds like an improvement, then.
Whiny emo teenager's an antagonist this time, though, and the mustache-twirling plots and general lack of intellect seem to have been taken up to eleven.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Star Wars universe will send a fleet of Gungan ships against the Borg, led by Grand Admiral Binks. Star Wars Prequel Comedy comes into play and the Gungans bumble their way into crushing the Borg invasion single-handedly without having any clue how they did it
Naaah, everyone knows the Gungans only bumbled into trashing a few extra droids (fun stuff, that, especially how he accidentally kills the first one and half-intentionally kills the second one and the droideka at the end of the blaster scene) before they were defeated. Skywalkers are where it's at.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Naaah, everyone knows the Gungans only bumbled into trashing a few extra droids (fun stuff, that, especially how he accidentally kills the first one and half-intentionally kills the second one and the droideka at the end of the blaster scene) before they were defeated. Skywalkers are where it's at.
I still prefer a Gungan Fleet with GAdm Binks, wearing the white uniform of an Imperial Grand Admiral.
Imagine the starship maneuvers and boarding party actions done with legions of heavily armed Gungans!
Naaah, everyone knows the Gungans only bumbled into trashing a few extra droids (fun stuff, that, especially how he accidentally kills the first one and half-intentionally kills the second one and the droideka at the end of the blaster scene) before they were defeated. Skywalkers are where it's at.
Everyone thinks... I still buy into the theory that Jar Jar was actually the anti-Yoda Sith Lord and the True Phantom Menace... (Lucas just lost his nerve and didn't stick with the concept...) The bumbling buffoonery was all just an act designed to lower one's defences... Jar Jar really was a Master of manipulating in plain sight
> @dalolorn said: > Naaah, everyone knows the Gungans only bumbled into trashing a few extra droids (fun stuff, that, especially how he accidentally kills the first one and half-intentionally kills the second one and the droideka at the end of the blaster scene) before they were defeated. Skywalkers are where it's at. :tongue:
Skywalker can be assimilated. So can Vader. Who needs superior tech?
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B-b-but... they stopped making Death Stars, now they're building Starkillers! Surely that's gotta count for something?
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Star Wars: The Clone Wars has an episode with a cloaking ship that avoided the sensors of various separatist vessels, and it's been said throughout the franchise (Empire Strikes Back, for example) about there being much larger ships with cloaking technology, presumably good enough cloaking technology to avoid detection from Imperial Star Destroyers. Just something worth pointing out.
As for Hypespace being faster and the Empire being able to build Death Stars, the Iconians have gateways and have built numerous Dyson Spheres. I think that makes them both faster and more resourceful.
On the matter of actual combat, the Borg could easily skip that and just drop a nano-probe loaded multi-kinetic neutronic mine in each star system (and in proximity to any Death Stars), detonate the mines, and simply let the nano-probes assimilate everyone. The Star Wars universe would barely know what hit them.
As for the Borg not being in contact with the collective back home, they have ways to maintain contact over long distances and even other dimensions (like Fluidic Space), so they'd stay in contact. Or if all else fails, they could just bring the entire collective. Problem solved.
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Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
(Also, this is specifically about the Borg. Iconians can stay on Iconia.)
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Yes, like if we called guns "boomsticks"
Yes, but you actually have to be thinking about what you're writing if you come up with the word "phaser." I don't like writers who treat me, as a consumer, with contempt, as if I don't care what they write - I'll just gobble it up anyway. Star Trek isn't always great on this, but it's far far from the worst.
Additionally, and probably most importantly, it tells me the writer actually likes his universe and cares about it enough to be detailed.
"At the end of the movie, I really care about what happens to the characters … but I’m pretty much missing Gene Roddenberry in J.J.’s interpretation … and at the end of the day, that’s just not OK for me." - Levar Burton
"[OrciTrek] doesn’t have the story heart that the best of my Star Trek had," - William Shatner
"It doesn’t have that element that made … Gene Roddenberry‘s ‘Star Trek,’ what it was." - George Takei
"The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action." - Roger Ebert
We might, if the alternative was something like 'coherent plasma pulse cannon'.
Hmm, I suppose so, though Abrams' attempts at handling either franchise seem to have a lot of "they'll gobble it up anyway" in them...
Besides which, 'phaser' was apparently originally coined as a portmanteau of 'photon' and 'maser'. Photon maser... oh, wait, that's a laser.
But not enough to actually figure out what the details are and stick with them? Not particularly impressive - not that this sort of thing ever kept me from enjoying the universe.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
While I DO find Star Wars not as interesting from a sci-fi perspective, it may also be that SW is put in the wrong category. To my mind it's much more of a fantasy in space, and if you compare it against other fantasy franchises, like LotR or Harry Potter, the comparison isn't so unfavorable for Wars.
Not that Star Trek is always all that great at accuracy with science, and sometimes they have things work on refined phlebotinum, but it at least qualifies as soft sci-fi.
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Actuyally... according to a 1991 TNG Tech manual and cited in Memory Alpha...
The original origin may have meant that, but it evolved over time.
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since when? the only time i've ever seen a gun leave behind shells in star wars was during ROTS, and there in nothing in what little canon remains to say that emplacement was a blaster, laser cannon or turbolaser of ANY variety, because the film itself sure as hell said nothing about it
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
He's citing the use of blanks in Ep 4 to determine WHEN to put in the blaster shots when they fire. Behind the Scenes stuff that equal a filming mistake of not editing out or hiding something for special effects.
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what blanks? there were no blanks in MY new hope film; it was all pure energy bolts and laser swords (and physical torpedoes that looked like they were on fire; though, considering a proton is a particle and we've never actually SEEN actual physical torpedo ammunition on screen, it may very well be an energy-based torpedo)
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Listed under "Revealing Mistakes" in the Goofs.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/trivia?tab=gf&ref_=tt_trv_gf
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> Can you imagine if the Death Star was assimilated by the Borg? Would resistance be futile? Is there anything that could possibly stop the Borg in that genre? There are a ton of fanboys who think Star Trek is the weaker universe. Please post your opinions below.
Who needs a death star when you can assimilate the Sith AND the Jedi?
We'd call that a PPC or CPPC probably.
I wasn't talking about Abrams - when I say "Star Trek" I don't include anything written by Roberto Orci. I'm more willing to ascent to the writing atrocity that was the first three seasons of Enterprise than admit Orci has earned his place in Trek canon. Berman and Braga actually have earned their place in Trek canon and, therefore, may be more easily forgiven when they royally TRIBBLE up the writing.
That I didn't know. I thought it was based on the concept of "phase" from wave theory. Regardless, it's still not named after basically an onomatopoeia and your assertion verifies that they put some thought into its name.
No, those details aren't important. There's too much detail and there's too little. If you describe only perfectly real technologies in your sci-fi that you can hand someone real schematics for you're not writing sci-fi. "Phasers" exist so frequently in ST that it's important to give them a good and convincing name - same with blasters - but the name isn't thought out.
This is not what I base my dislike of Star Wars on. I dislike Star Wars' stern allegiance to black and white moral conceptions, its superficial aphorisms quoted by Yoda, its whiny emo teenager protagonists (Luke and Anakin), its mustache twirling villain plots, and its general lack of intellect. I certainly don't regard Star Trek as some sort of pinnacle of intellectualism in TV/film - but it's far better than most of it.
"At the end of the movie, I really care about what happens to the characters … but I’m pretty much missing Gene Roddenberry in J.J.’s interpretation … and at the end of the day, that’s just not OK for me." - Levar Burton
"[OrciTrek] doesn’t have the story heart that the best of my Star Trek had," - William Shatner
"It doesn’t have that element that made … Gene Roddenberry‘s ‘Star Trek,’ what it was." - George Takei
"The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action." - Roger Ebert
Eh... to me PPC = Particle Projection Cannon, a weapon from MechWarrior. And then there's the ER PPC, the Extended Range version.
Then there's the PPG, or Phased Plasma Gun, from Babylon 5.
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> This is not what I base my dislike of Star Wars on. I dislike Star Wars' stern allegiance to black and white moral conceptions - it's superficial aphorisms quoted by Yoda, it's whiny emo teenager protagonists (Luke and Anakin) and its generally lack of intellect. I certainly don't regard Star Trek as some sort of pinnacle of intellectualism in TV/film - but it's far better than most of it.
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Actually, give it some thought.
Borg queen invades galaxy where Jar Jar Binks is "Bombad General" . . .
"At the end of the movie, I really care about what happens to the characters … but I’m pretty much missing Gene Roddenberry in J.J.’s interpretation … and at the end of the day, that’s just not OK for me." - Levar Burton
"[OrciTrek] doesn’t have the story heart that the best of my Star Trek had," - William Shatner
"It doesn’t have that element that made … Gene Roddenberry‘s ‘Star Trek,’ what it was." - George Takei
"The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action." - Roger Ebert
Blaster's easier.
On that we are in full agreement.
Hmm, Jon's actually right. The 'photon maser' originated from an unauthorized TOS reference book published in 2013.
My point was actually that while they did come up with some pseudoscientific explanation for why the weapon works - just like Star Wars - the explanation itself changed considerably with each new technical manual/reference book. Blasters and lightsabers, on the other hand, don't seem to have been anything except 'unexplained' and 'we do this and that with plasma' throughout the franchise's history.
IIRC, I've heard that the 'black and white moral conceptions' have started to fade away in TFA (more so in The Clone Wars, if memory serves), and the aphorisms have gone the way of the dinosaur with Yoda's death. That sounds like an improvement, then.
Whiny emo teenager's an antagonist this time, though, and the mustache-twirling plots and general lack of intellect seem to have been taken up to eleven.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
I still prefer a Gungan Fleet with GAdm Binks, wearing the white uniform of an Imperial Grand Admiral.
Imagine the starship maneuvers and boarding party actions done with legions of heavily armed Gungans!
> Naaah, everyone knows the Gungans only bumbled into trashing a few extra droids (fun stuff, that, especially how he accidentally kills the first one and half-intentionally kills the second one and the droideka at the end of the blaster scene) before they were defeated. Skywalkers are where it's at. :tongue:
Skywalker can be assimilated.
So can Vader.
Who needs superior tech?