I see Cryptic fanboys saying
"give me , give me all hail cryptics' glory "
I see realists looking at the stats , console and boff layouts and saying
"Thanks but no thanks cryptic , no sale"
Then i see people who have been waiting for a long long time for both the T6 defiant and BoP finally getting thier wish granted only to see that stats ad say.
"This is what i've been waiting for?....seriously cryptic??!!....ugh nvm i will keep waiting"
Tbh those who are let down by this should never have gotten their hopes up , this is cryptic after all and one thing ive learned is cryptic will get your hopes up just to let you down time and time again.
As for the ships? no thanks cryptic you can keep them
Was all ready to buy this on day one, until they resleased the stats. No type of battle cloak has me thinking of waiting for what the T6 Patrol Escort looks like.
A single Klingon T6 ship with an actual console set from her predecessor? I must be dreaming.
Jokes aside, I'll probably be getting this pack soon enough - the B'rel is one of my favourite ships and my Romulan only uses the T'Varo sooo......and a nice iconic and remodeled Defiant is just the bonus cherry on top since I'd be getting the other 2 anyway.
Just...the ship trait seems to be underwhelming, these should have had a trait related to torpedoes IMHO.
It has been said already, but really people... these new ships are not specialty ships like the pilot escorts/command battlecruisers/intel ships. They follow the pattern already established for iconic ships:
T6 iconic cruiser -- hybrid command station
T6 iconic science -- hybrid intel station
T6 iconic escort -- hybrid pilot station.
All with small improvements to overall stats, and set bonuses with consoles from previous tier versions.
What the heck are you complaining about?? This is what you should have been expecting. Anything else is airy-fairy nonsensical wishful thinking.
Two piece set? They'll probably improve on that and make it a three piece at some point.
There shouldn't be any serious complaints beyond, "well, what i've got is good enough, and this isn't better ENOUGH, so I won't buy."
"Intelligence is finite, stupidity is infinite" -- Umberto Eco
No type of battle cloak has me thinking of waiting for what the T6 Patrol Escort looks like.
Why would the Patrol Escort have a cloak though?
For sure though, a T6 Patrol Escort would have even more HP to tank with, and either an Ensign Uni or upgrading the Lt. Sci to LtC, with the Hybrid probably on the Uni, Eng, or Sci (I'd lean towards the Sci to kind of force use of the Uni to compensate as with other T5 to T6 upgrades, but it could go on the Eng or Uni instead), assuming they don't do much else from the Fleet Patrol Escort.
It'll probably also be even better to use given that it's not an Iconic ship, and thus needs more than just a name to sell. And if I'm remembering right, they're mostly 2nd line originals, if not minor screen filler ships, so already it's in a better position for a better layout than typical Iconic ships.
Yes, the cloak was an add in design to the Defiant class, but the cloak used on the show was in battle numerous times. No reason it couldn't have have a console that does battle cloak. It's still not quite the Defiant most people were probably hoping for, myself included.
Now torn between this and the Hestia depending if that works with the MVAM console.
If you've come to the forums to complain about the AFK system, it's known to be bugged at the moment.
Now torn between this and the Hestia depending if that works with the MVAM console.
Hestia does work with the MVAM module. Part of a 2-pc set even that scales with Plasma consoles, IIRC. Only odd thing is that the Hestia top and bottom hull do not have a saucer like the other hulls.
I didnt mean the Patrol Escort would get a cloak, i mean to compare both ships stat wise the patrol escort looks better. An advantage to the defiant would be cloak, but naked it wouldnt really look better from the Patrol.
I slowly coming around to the Valiant though, the console seems nice. They didnt say how much the passive is, and how long the recharge is. But i am imagining using all fore slots on DHC and just using the console for torp. But doing that means no high yield.
I find you all asking for the Quad Cannons and the Cloaking Device console for free funny as hell.
Since when the hell has Cryptic ever given another ship's console for free on another ship?.. That's like giving a free console on a potential buy which everyone knows will never happen. You all stating these things must be new to the game or just greedy as f**k.
Only thing I hate about the ships is the weapon layout, should have had at least a 5/2 to be par with the pilot ships, heck a 5/1 wouldn't be bad either to say the least.
From the small bit of hype we got that this b'rel was a priority it took a long time to get here but nothing much is different about it than the T5 version. Worst part I hate about the design itself was that development of the b'rel was dictated by a small amount of pre-f2p pvp subscribers who mostly aren't even playing these days or for half a decade now. Yet this horrible design where a ship is completely defenseless every time it fires at its target with no advantages because if it ever did too much damage you guys would nerf damage and then add another counter to it.
I'm not sure what they were thinking because all this really is a redux of why people get pissed off at cryptic when they try to resell you T6 ships and then virutally just slap a pilot boff station on it and call it a brand new ship. I just have seen over the years an opening for them to pull themselves out of the gutter but instead they just dig it even deeper. I think I will begin the funeral for my account when these bops launch maybe have a livestream of me uninstalling the game it would be epic.
Admit it guys, it could have been worst (remember the Hestia?), so this layout is not bad at all if not excellent. The possiblity of having 2 lt eng can make this ship quite tanky, quite adequate to handle the new content like the iconians and the heavy TRIBBLE it may face. Also, the aspect of using the console whenever you want, without a time gate is quite interesting.
About the build-in cloak issue: The canon defiant class was never intended to have cloak on every ships, it was only one exeption, the NX defiant, loaned by the romulans and only to be used in the beta quadrant.
When did it become a crime to want to play a ship because you like it, rather than because it's the "most powerful"? And exactly what am I "losing" by flying a B'rel rather than a Baltim? If being willing to trade a bit of hypothetical min-maxing for fun makes me a fanboy... count me a fanboy.
And, given that, I do understand Cryptic's logic. Their homebrew designs will never have the popularity of canon ships, so they try to compensate with better stats. But players who obsess about those stats are PWE's rightful prey.
IMO, the B'rel is the winner here; with its BOff setup, EBC and raider flanking, it at least does things that no other T6 ships do and will require a radically different playstyle from pilot escorts. The loser is the Defiant which has pretty well nothing to set it apart from the Phantom and pilot escorts.
Ive read through all the defiant related posts and dont believe ive read anyone asking for free consoles?
Cloaking Device is a console, the Quad Cannons can be considered a "console" also, even though it is actually a weapon. The cloaking device and quad cannons can be gained from another ship selling in the C-Store. If you are going to type, at least do a little research before you go full TRIBBLE.
What tier fleet shipyard do we need for fleet versions?
Why I'm getting the pack:
- T6 BoP with Pilot LtC & still all Uni & +4,991 hull + Tac console +5 engine power & looks great = must-have upgrade to B'rel
- don't have T5 T'Varo or Defiant but like their old skins, and they're canon
- boosts for cannons (not CRF but good enough) & torps (torpedo boat build) & super-fun clicky warheads = win
- Valiant skin based off concept, looks great, as does Malem
- awesome set bonuses for T'Varo & BoP, 2-pc accessible (800 zen on sale for both T1s with fun/useful universal ship consoles account wide for Rom-kdf/fed)
- Malem vs Faeht: +flexible seating & enh.cloaked-sci potential
- Quantums / Plasma is just right
- my Feds & KDFs don't have pilot seat escort ships so this will be it (Nandi's a destroyer & Ferengi isn't my thing)
Only real disappointment is I wish the Valiant had something different than the Phantom apart from its specialist seating. I fully expected it to be sub-par to a specialist ship (Cryptic has to balance & maximize ship sales), but it feels like a duplicate otherwise. Even the consoles are almost the same thing, one doing a beam while the other torps. Without the Malem I might have had to pass on the pack and just gotten the BoP.
There's a typo on the stats of the Malem: it should say "Enhanced Romulan Battle Cloak" for both standard and fleet, not "Romulan Battle Cloaking Device."
i am surprised the quad cannons aren't put in with a set bonus as well....
also surprised...or maybe not with the fact they don't get the pilot maneuvers like the pilot ships do, wanted to barrel roll a defiant....
I agree.
These ships were the perfect opportunity to give some other ships the pilot manoeuvres abilities. If these aren't getting them, I don't think any other ship from now on will get it either.
And yes, QUAD CANNONS! I always look at them when putting together escort type builds, but never feel the urge to equip them over DHCs. A set bonus would definitely fit the bill.
I'm also familiar with riders role and I know what flanking is. My main flies B'rel almost exclusively for more than 3 years, I'm not arguing - You are probably better pilot than me, but my point is about usefulness of t6 BoP. Are You that good, that You can run Heralds Sphere Elite, not die multipe times and have fun from it? I can't do that on fleet t5u and from this stats I gather that I won't be able to do it in t6. But for example I can do that in Mat'Ha. I know, different ship class, but shows my point: rider class as it is was designed for different, old game mechanics. Their advantages doesn't matter in space-battle-meta-chaos anymore, but their disadvantage do.
I tend to agree.
While these still may be feasible in PvP, the current state of PvE means you need mass constant aoe spam. The surgical strike type piloting the BoP requires plus miniscule hull and shields is the exact reason I feel piloting manoeuvres should've been included with it.
With flanking required to get best results, manoeuvres is the perfect match for this ship. Such a shame.
Ehanced battle cloak does not make up for this imo.
I find you all asking for the Quad Cannons and the Cloaking Device console for free funny as hell.
Since when the hell has Cryptic ever given another ship's console for free on another ship?..
Please learn to english.
We're asking that the quads simply make up part of a potential 3 piece set bonus, not that it be included with these new ships.
I've been looking forward to the T6 Defiant release for a long time. I was absolutely certain I would drop the Zen on it, no matter what.
I'm sorry to say I'm not so certain anymore.
The BOFF layout is nice; I'm digging that.
The Torpedo console looks pretty cool.
The Defiant model update, and the new Valiant model both look sweet!
I was never hard-up for the Integrated Cloak, but I would MUCH rather have the option to match the Quad Phaser Cannons with the Torpedo Console. I just don't see much use for the Cloak; I didn't miss the part where they announced it was changing to a battle cloak, did I?
The Ambush passive is cool, but only once per combat session without a battle cloak: that's just not how I play my Defiant.
I'll buy the Fleet version, so I'm not that fussed about the 4 Tactical console slots, but I think that was a bad choice.
Tac/Pilot seat but no Pilot maneuvers: that's pretty much a deal breaker for me, I'm sad to say.
4/3 weapons layout is sooooo Tier 5, guys. 5/2 is where we should be going, I think.
Sorry Cryptic, I hate to TRIBBLE on all your hard work, but for 3000 Zen I really wanted a Pilot escort with a Defiant skin, and a sweet 2- or 3-piece iconic set bonus. I just don't see the Cloak integrating well into my existing playstyle.
After all the hoping and dreaming, I might actually pass.
I'll just throw out there that I don't think ppl just wanted pilot maneuvers because they're powerful. Really, they're hella-fun to use and one of the best mechanics cryptic have ever put into this game. It's not just about power or overpowered: it's about fun and fantasy, and barrel-rolling with an uber Defiant really is The Dream.
You don't even know how to type a proper sentence, lol!
And you all ARE asking for it to be included for free, what part of:
"Another ship already has it and to get the cloaking device/quad cannons, you have to buy those ship too" you don't understand?
You can get it, just buy the other ship and stop being damn freeloaders, if you are going to quote me, at least make sense x2!
Don't get mad because you can't get things for free, and of course the quads can't be part of the set, lol!
Lamest T6 B'Rel Stats ever....its not worth my Zen.
Really Cryptic....next time try harder to get my Zen. This is a outdated crapship and useless ingame
Tac/Pilot seat but no Pilot maneuvers: that's pretty much a deal breaker for me, I'm sad to say.
4/3 weapons layout is sooooo Tier 5, guys. 5/2 is where we should be going, I think.
Sorry Cryptic, I hate to TRIBBLE on all your hard work, but for 3000 Zen I really wanted a Pilot escort with a Defiant skin, and a sweet 2- or 3-piece iconic set bonus. I just don't see the Cloak integrating well into my existing playstyle.
After all the hoping and dreaming, I might actually pass.
No Iconic ships EVER got Specialist abilities. Pathfinder didn't get Intel Analysis, Andromeda didn't get Command Inspiration, and Defiant is not going to get Pilot Maneuvers. Specialist abilities remains the exclusive domain of Specialist ships.
Phantom has 4/3 and does perfectly fine.
We're more likely to see Lobi/Lockbox/Promo ships get Specialist abilities long before we'll ever see non-Specialist Faction ships get Specialist abilities. And even then, it may only be one or two ships; kind of like how the Tal Shiar ships both can use the Sensor Analysis ability that is otherwise exclusive to Sci Vessels (granted, Sci Odyssey and Sci Bort can also use the ability, but Tulwar cannot). But that's likely to be a long time away, and probably only starting with Promo ships, then lockbox ships, then lobi ships. And probably not until T7, when they've exhausted the most viable Boff/console layouts for T6. T7 JHSS with Pilot Maneuvers. T7 Krenim with Intel Analysis. T7 Sheshar with Command Inspiration.
You don't even know how to type a proper sentence, lol!
And you all ARE asking for it to be included for free, what part of:
"Another ship already has it and to get the cloaking device/quad cannons, you have to buy those ship too" you don't understand?
You can get it, just buy the other ship and stop being damn freeloaders, if you are going to quote me, at least make sense x2!
Don't get mad because you can't get things for free, and of course the quads can't be part of the set, lol!
People aren't asking to receive the quad cannons with the Valiant, they're asking for them to be part of the new set's bonus. The Valiant's set bonus is pretty useless as well TBH. It's already been said why.
What does the Valiant offer me that my Phantom doesn't already? All I can see are Withering Barrage and a quantum console I'm not sure will be that useful. My Phantom gets integrated cloak, intel sensor array and heavy phaser lance console that boosts phaser damage. I also have the Klingon and Romulan intel ships so I don't find any of these three ships that attractive.
If I bought these ships I think I would be buying them only to unlock the trait since I don't know the stats on the quantum console. I'm sure the torpedoes load and fire an awful lot faster than the 2 minute heavy phaser lance (and if they don't, LOL) but the lance boosts my phaser DHC as well as the lance itself.
Ironically the Phantom would make better use of the Defiant's quad cannons than the Valiant. Do they even take the time to plan these ships or do they just slap a few new abilities on some already developed ships and call it a day? Pretty sure we all know the answer.
Why are there so many posts complaining about a lack of Pilot abilities?
Because without them the Valiant is pretty much TRIBBLE?
Seriously, go compare the stats to Ajax & Co. The pilot escorts are better in every point except some hull strength.
And have said pilot manouvers on top of that. Plus the Boff/console layout is kinda customizable.
And you all ARE asking for it to be included for free, what part of:
"Another ship already has it and to get the cloaking device/quad cannons, you have to buy those ship too" you don't understand?
Reading comprehension. You have none.
What part of SET BONUS you don't understand? NOBODY in this entire thread asked for free consoles from another ship. They just want the quads to be included in the set.
Anyway, add me to Team Disappointed.
There's zero reason to switch to the Valiant from my Icarus. Clear downgrade.
The Kor is the best BoP in game. But its still only a BoP, with all the disadvantages those come with.
The Malem, we can talk about. Might replace the torp Dinaes with it, seems almost custom built for that purpose. And two plasma torp consoles on top of all the other plasma torps... yummie.
And you all ARE asking for it to be included for free, what part of:
"Another ship already has it and to get the cloaking device/quad cannons, you have to buy those ship too" you don't understand?
Reading comprehension. You have none.
What part of SET BONUS you don't understand? NOBODY in this entire thread asked for free consoles from another ship. They just want the quads to be included in the set.
This.
Perhaps he doesn't understand what a set and set bonuses are?
The torpedo thing looks pretty sweet. Otherwise, pretty much exactly what I was expecting. It follows the patterns established by the other T6 hero ships; I don't know why anyone is surprised.
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"give me , give me all hail cryptics' glory "
I see realists looking at the stats , console and boff layouts and saying
"Thanks but no thanks cryptic , no sale"
Then i see people who have been waiting for a long long time for both the T6 defiant and BoP finally getting thier wish granted only to see that stats ad say.
"This is what i've been waiting for?....seriously cryptic??!!....ugh nvm i will keep waiting"
Tbh those who are let down by this should never have gotten their hopes up , this is cryptic after all and one thing ive learned is cryptic will get your hopes up just to let you down time and time again.
As for the ships? no thanks cryptic you can keep them
Jokes aside, I'll probably be getting this pack soon enough - the B'rel is one of my favourite ships and my Romulan only uses the T'Varo sooo......and a nice iconic and remodeled Defiant is just the bonus cherry on top since I'd be getting the other 2 anyway.
Just...the ship trait seems to be underwhelming, these should have had a trait related to torpedoes IMHO.
T6 iconic cruiser -- hybrid command station
T6 iconic science -- hybrid intel station
T6 iconic escort -- hybrid pilot station.
All with small improvements to overall stats, and set bonuses with consoles from previous tier versions.
What the heck are you complaining about?? This is what you should have been expecting. Anything else is airy-fairy nonsensical wishful thinking.
Two piece set? They'll probably improve on that and make it a three piece at some point.
There shouldn't be any serious complaints beyond, "well, what i've got is good enough, and this isn't better ENOUGH, so I won't buy."
Why would the Patrol Escort have a cloak though?
For sure though, a T6 Patrol Escort would have even more HP to tank with, and either an Ensign Uni or upgrading the Lt. Sci to LtC, with the Hybrid probably on the Uni, Eng, or Sci (I'd lean towards the Sci to kind of force use of the Uni to compensate as with other T5 to T6 upgrades, but it could go on the Eng or Uni instead), assuming they don't do much else from the Fleet Patrol Escort.
It'll probably also be even better to use given that it's not an Iconic ship, and thus needs more than just a name to sell. And if I'm remembering right, they're mostly 2nd line originals, if not minor screen filler ships, so already it's in a better position for a better layout than typical Iconic ships.
Now torn between this and the Hestia depending if that works with the MVAM console.
Hestia does work with the MVAM module. Part of a 2-pc set even that scales with Plasma consoles, IIRC. Only odd thing is that the Hestia top and bottom hull do not have a saucer like the other hulls.
I slowly coming around to the Valiant though, the console seems nice. They didnt say how much the passive is, and how long the recharge is. But i am imagining using all fore slots on DHC and just using the console for torp. But doing that means no high yield.
Since when the hell has Cryptic ever given another ship's console for free on another ship?.. That's like giving a free console on a potential buy which everyone knows will never happen. You all stating these things must be new to the game or just greedy as f**k.
Only thing I hate about the ships is the weapon layout, should have had at least a 5/2 to be par with the pilot ships, heck a 5/1 wouldn't be bad either to say the least.
I'm not sure what they were thinking because all this really is a redux of why people get pissed off at cryptic when they try to resell you T6 ships and then virutally just slap a pilot boff station on it and call it a brand new ship. I just have seen over the years an opening for them to pull themselves out of the gutter but instead they just dig it even deeper. I think I will begin the funeral for my account when these bops launch maybe have a livestream of me uninstalling the game it would be epic.
Admit it guys, it could have been worst (remember the Hestia?), so this layout is not bad at all if not excellent. The possiblity of having 2 lt eng can make this ship quite tanky, quite adequate to handle the new content like the iconians and the heavy TRIBBLE it may face. Also, the aspect of using the console whenever you want, without a time gate is quite interesting.
About the build-in cloak issue: The canon defiant class was never intended to have cloak on every ships, it was only one exeption, the NX defiant, loaned by the romulans and only to be used in the beta quadrant.
When did it become a crime to want to play a ship because you like it, rather than because it's the "most powerful"? And exactly what am I "losing" by flying a B'rel rather than a Baltim? If being willing to trade a bit of hypothetical min-maxing for fun makes me a fanboy... count me a fanboy.
And, given that, I do understand Cryptic's logic. Their homebrew designs will never have the popularity of canon ships, so they try to compensate with better stats. But players who obsess about those stats are PWE's rightful prey.
IMO, the B'rel is the winner here; with its BOff setup, EBC and raider flanking, it at least does things that no other T6 ships do and will require a radically different playstyle from pilot escorts. The loser is the Defiant which has pretty well nothing to set it apart from the Phantom and pilot escorts.
Why I'm getting the pack:
- T6 BoP with Pilot LtC & still all Uni & +4,991 hull + Tac console +5 engine power & looks great = must-have upgrade to B'rel
- don't have T5 T'Varo or Defiant but like their old skins, and they're canon
- boosts for cannons (not CRF but good enough) & torps (torpedo boat build) & super-fun clicky warheads = win
- Valiant skin based off concept, looks great, as does Malem
- awesome set bonuses for T'Varo & BoP, 2-pc accessible (800 zen on sale for both T1s with fun/useful universal ship consoles account wide for Rom-kdf/fed)
- Malem vs Faeht: +flexible seating & enh.cloaked-sci potential
- Quantums / Plasma is just right
- my Feds & KDFs don't have pilot seat escort ships so this will be it (Nandi's a destroyer & Ferengi isn't my thing)
Only real disappointment is I wish the Valiant had something different than the Phantom apart from its specialist seating. I fully expected it to be sub-par to a specialist ship (Cryptic has to balance & maximize ship sales), but it feels like a duplicate otherwise. Even the consoles are almost the same thing, one doing a beam while the other torps. Without the Malem I might have had to pass on the pack and just gotten the BoP.
There's a typo on the stats of the Malem: it should say "Enhanced Romulan Battle Cloak" for both standard and fleet, not "Romulan Battle Cloaking Device."
Or existing ships console coming on another ship.
These ships were the perfect opportunity to give some other ships the pilot manoeuvres abilities. If these aren't getting them, I don't think any other ship from now on will get it either.
And yes, QUAD CANNONS! I always look at them when putting together escort type builds, but never feel the urge to equip them over DHCs. A set bonus would definitely fit the bill.
+eleventy million
Agreed. The copy paste was too strong it seems.
Let's hope the blog text is incorrect
I tend to agree.
While these still may be feasible in PvP, the current state of PvE means you need mass constant aoe spam. The surgical strike type piloting the BoP requires plus miniscule hull and shields is the exact reason I feel piloting manoeuvres should've been included with it.
With flanking required to get best results, manoeuvres is the perfect match for this ship. Such a shame.
Ehanced battle cloak does not make up for this imo.
IKR? Finally some love
Please learn to english.
We're asking that the quads simply make up part of a potential 3 piece set bonus, not that it be included with these new ships.
I'm sorry to say I'm not so certain anymore.
The BOFF layout is nice; I'm digging that.
The Torpedo console looks pretty cool.
The Defiant model update, and the new Valiant model both look sweet!
I was never hard-up for the Integrated Cloak, but I would MUCH rather have the option to match the Quad Phaser Cannons with the Torpedo Console. I just don't see much use for the Cloak; I didn't miss the part where they announced it was changing to a battle cloak, did I?
The Ambush passive is cool, but only once per combat session without a battle cloak: that's just not how I play my Defiant.
I'll buy the Fleet version, so I'm not that fussed about the 4 Tactical console slots, but I think that was a bad choice.
Tac/Pilot seat but no Pilot maneuvers: that's pretty much a deal breaker for me, I'm sad to say.
4/3 weapons layout is sooooo Tier 5, guys. 5/2 is where we should be going, I think.
Sorry Cryptic, I hate to TRIBBLE on all your hard work, but for 3000 Zen I really wanted a Pilot escort with a Defiant skin, and a sweet 2- or 3-piece iconic set bonus. I just don't see the Cloak integrating well into my existing playstyle.
After all the hoping and dreaming, I might actually pass.
I'll just throw out there that I don't think ppl just wanted pilot maneuvers because they're powerful. Really, they're hella-fun to use and one of the best mechanics cryptic have ever put into this game. It's not just about power or overpowered: it's about fun and fantasy, and barrel-rolling with an uber Defiant really is The Dream.
And you all ARE asking for it to be included for free, what part of:
"Another ship already has it and to get the cloaking device/quad cannons, you have to buy those ship too" you don't understand?
You can get it, just buy the other ship and stop being damn freeloaders, if you are going to quote me, at least make sense x2!
Don't get mad because you can't get things for free, and of course the quads can't be part of the set, lol!
Really Cryptic....next time try harder to get my Zen. This is a outdated crapship and useless ingame
No Iconic ships EVER got Specialist abilities. Pathfinder didn't get Intel Analysis, Andromeda didn't get Command Inspiration, and Defiant is not going to get Pilot Maneuvers. Specialist abilities remains the exclusive domain of Specialist ships.
Phantom has 4/3 and does perfectly fine.
We're more likely to see Lobi/Lockbox/Promo ships get Specialist abilities long before we'll ever see non-Specialist Faction ships get Specialist abilities. And even then, it may only be one or two ships; kind of like how the Tal Shiar ships both can use the Sensor Analysis ability that is otherwise exclusive to Sci Vessels (granted, Sci Odyssey and Sci Bort can also use the ability, but Tulwar cannot). But that's likely to be a long time away, and probably only starting with Promo ships, then lockbox ships, then lobi ships. And probably not until T7, when they've exhausted the most viable Boff/console layouts for T6. T7 JHSS with Pilot Maneuvers. T7 Krenim with Intel Analysis. T7 Sheshar with Command Inspiration.
People aren't asking to receive the quad cannons with the Valiant, they're asking for them to be part of the new set's bonus. The Valiant's set bonus is pretty useless as well TBH. It's already been said why.
What does the Valiant offer me that my Phantom doesn't already? All I can see are Withering Barrage and a quantum console I'm not sure will be that useful. My Phantom gets integrated cloak, intel sensor array and heavy phaser lance console that boosts phaser damage. I also have the Klingon and Romulan intel ships so I don't find any of these three ships that attractive.
If I bought these ships I think I would be buying them only to unlock the trait since I don't know the stats on the quantum console. I'm sure the torpedoes load and fire an awful lot faster than the 2 minute heavy phaser lance (and if they don't, LOL) but the lance boosts my phaser DHC as well as the lance itself.
Ironically the Phantom would make better use of the Defiant's quad cannons than the Valiant. Do they even take the time to plan these ships or do they just slap a few new abilities on some already developed ships and call it a day? Pretty sure we all know the answer.
Seriously, go compare the stats to Ajax & Co. The pilot escorts are better in every point except some hull strength.
And have said pilot manouvers on top of that. Plus the Boff/console layout is kinda customizable.
Reading comprehension. You have none.
What part of SET BONUS you don't understand?
NOBODY in this entire thread asked for free consoles from another ship. They just want the quads to be included in the set.
Anyway, add me to Team Disappointed.
There's zero reason to switch to the Valiant from my Icarus. Clear downgrade.
The Kor is the best BoP in game. But its still only a BoP, with all the disadvantages those come with.
The Malem, we can talk about. Might replace the torp Dinaes with it, seems almost custom built for that purpose. And two plasma torp consoles on top of all the other plasma torps... yummie.
wait....what are you talking about?! The lance doesn't have a phaser damage passive boost
There's at least one reason for people to pick the Valiant, "I want to fly the Defiant"
This.
Perhaps he doesn't understand what a set and set bonuses are?