So the next lock box ships are herald ones. Now to get something straight from the beginning i am totally fine with them being lock box ships. Cryptic needs to earn some money....sad truth is this game currently only stands because of the massive new ship spam sales else it would slowly decay... The thing is this new herald ships break the immersion, break the story and feel of star trek. Some say that already happened when you could fly undine and tholian ship...eh not really while totally alien to the alliance it wasn't so crowded with exotic ships and we could argue that iconians with heralds play a pivotal role in STO so these new ships have a bigger impact.
But now we get this...Hey Johny lets play the iconian arc you know the story cryptic has been preparing us for 5 years almost all mission leading to this moment. Sure says Johny let me bring my Herald Quas Flight Deck Cruiser or my Herald Baltim Heavy Raider or my Herald Vonph Dreadnought Carrier....WAIT WHAT ? You just thrown the mystery, the fear and the soul of iconians and herlads down the toilet. Now they are just some generic cookie cutter enemy, everyone can fly their ships now...even a drunk klingon who had to much blood wine can.
You could say ahhh this is nothing, it doesn't matter at all, but lets think deeper, a lot deeper..... You sure can like both space and ground combat like me but let me throw you out something, there are single and multi player games which have superior combat out there....but HEY ! why are you playing this game then...Simple because it has the star trek feel, the star trek mythos...flying iconic ships, relive the moments similar to the series.....And this lock box thing doesn't help that really. Whats next...a playable Vger...borg lock box.....OW NO. Imagine a scenario were an enlightened, kind federation captain (we will call him Johny again), flies to a colony in need of some supplies....IN A BORG CUBE causing a mass hysteria on the colony and he beams down and says, relax guys its just my new RAD cube check it out its shiny.... Hey Steven beam down the supplies... and then 50 borg drones materialize and star to asimilate the planet...ooops sorry captain wrong cargo...but hey we still got our RAD CUBE..whatever.
Sad thing is this could have been easily avoided, instead of exact looking ships we could have gotten 3 ships... an escort a sci ship and a cruiser or dreadnought or carrier that has the look of the alliance (fed, kling and rom) combined with some herald designs. But we all know why we got same ships, because they were already in game just some tweaking to the already existing models and voila new ships to sell...What does that spell for us if the developer is that lazy...bad things ? (ADMIRALTY SYSTEM...OUCH) for the future content that emphasizes on exploration...WELL I HOPE NOT.
What are your opinions on this matter? Does it bother you or not, and why? Have a nice day.
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Also these ships are not actual copies of the originals, they're cheap knock-offs built by reverse engineering Herald tech.
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That depends on how you read the announcement. I'd read it to say that they reverse-engineered the gate tech, but had done so to use their ships against them.
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To mark: its true that they are reverse engineered but they still look the same visually. I always thought that a race or a faction puts some soul some of their culture in the design of their ships which this lockboxes negate that.
To karr: true there are multiple things in game that could break immersion not only lock box ships although you could argue as romulans being ally its normal to see them..or not
My fear is that the more time it passes the more ridiculous it gets, this time we get same looking ships from the main enemy in the entire game, it does have some impact..still i can and will enjoy the game as you sad you try to see it through either with patience or booze....a lot of booze
Now, when it comes to immersion, my Cardassian has a Galor but as far as I'm concerned, because he's a dual-commissioned exchange officer, he has EVERY possible excuse to have access to that ship. It will be the same if a Cardassian uniform ever comes out...he has every right to that uniform.
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And Tholian. And Undine. And Breen.
Indeed.
And while I probably will want to fly them around, probably unlock their masteries and whatnot, I know eventually, I'll be keener on flying one of my mainstay faction-specific ships. Maybe have an alternate loadout for them that uses Iconian weaponry and consoles, heh.
What I'm just as thrilled about getting, though, and will probably see more consistent use out of me, are the new ground equipment. The modules, the staff weapons, the outfits..... man, this was a long time coming for me.
I do have my own immersion to consider, and yes even the immersion of others. I can only excuse the use of Iconian ships for so long before I'd start to feel a little silly.
I know my reasoning is probably not the majority. And the fact that the Iconian ships have two specialization seats apiece to them will probably make them mainstays for many, many players. But at least for me, I know I'll more than likely keep going back to faction-specific ships in the long run.
MMOs are not really that well suited to create immersion.
Hundreds of people in weird clothing bunny-hopping across the landscape just will never feel all that immersive.
Fixed that for ya
I am not sure how that would work out in functional terms. Not only does it sound like a coding nightmare, but where do you draw the line? That could become very arbitrary. What about the person with a Mirror ship who reskinned it to look totally fed? What about the person with an alien-gen Cardassian (which you can't even detect by ANY kind of code) who flies a Cardassian ship? Or other things?
To me, that just doesn't seem feasible.
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Never thought of that, but it does make sense from a collectors perspective.
True, immersion really does depend on the player and his view, so to each their own i guess and if your dromias suits your play style who am i to argue against it
What a false representation it didn't happen like that, it was more like this after seeing the herald lockbox ships.
And having bart in STO forum also broke my immersion...whats next a bart skin in sto...a bart dof...OW THE HUMANITY lol.
That is also one way to see all those ships - they might be captained by players that in their own view are all Starfleet, KDF or RR officers, but from your view, they could just as well be simply alien visitors that come with their own space ships. The Herald ships might just be representing an Iconian delegation working out details of the cease-fire/peace-treaty, or be send to establish an embassy so we can normalize relations.
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indeed.
personally i don't care about immersion, canon, etc. Heralds/iconians were really so special, i'm just sad to see that the players will be able to use the iconian ships. how I could do gateway to grethor with players who will have the vonph, the quas?? I have decided that when I would be with players who will have these ships in GGA; I would leave the stf (the penalty is not a problem). Vonph, Quas, Baltrim are iconian ships, that's all.
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The shark was jumped long ago lol
I don't think that's right. I may not be getting one of those ships myself, but I don't think that those who do so have done it to personally spite me somehow.
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But yeah I'm not a big fan of lock box ships it takes the star trek universe and turns it into a theme park.