What I find a bit regrettable is that the Omega and Epsilon both seem to lose the "high" saucer the Jupiter had. I though that was an interesting feature that set the ship apart (and made it more interesting then the Typhoon, even if the Typhoon on its own looked better, it just lacked any interesting features.)
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Blegh... The final vote is going to be really boring at this rate.
Alpha and Omega have nearly identical profiles, especially their nacelle configuration. The only real difference between the two at this stage is Alpha's upper Wing/Mission pod/whatever versus Onega's slightly differently shaped primary hull. Also, Alpha is a little Flatter from the side while Omega is more rounded.
At least Epsilon has some variety to it. I also like that it doesn't have a runty set of nacelles. I like that it has more traditional impulse engine placement. I love the huge hanger bay in the front, though I wouldn't mind seeing larger side bays on side of the saucer, similar to Omega. Overall I feel that Epsilon is a tight, logical design, and aesthetically pleasing to boot, imho.
please stop picking the Omega because it is the Jupiter....this is actually becoming an incredibly silly statement.
Yes, it is only because of the saucer top-view, yes, jupiter has that huge bathtub of a secondary hull and yes, it also has vertically oriented pylons, rather than horizontally, but also the original Jupiter is a kitbash and Omega is designed as a ship in it's own right. If you cannot see it as a Jupiter redesign, fine, but others can, and since it's a subjective matter, they are not wrong.
I long suspected and it's now crystal clear that the players want the bigger ship, the longer the better.
No other design part counts.
Omega will be our ship.
Luckily enough, it at least seems more federal than the current alternative and many others discarderd along the way because were a stick not enough big.
I doubt the usefulness of such player choice initiatives though.
A suggestion to the devs: next time make all them the same size and proportions and differentiate them for the design so you'll have a meaningful contest.
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Again, this was a tough call for me. Below are the things I noticed with Epsilon and Omega: Epsilon:
Better armored
More compact, which facilitates easier defense, but also facilitates easier to damage multiple areas.
more defense-oriented in appearance
Chimera-style nacelle attachment.
better impulse arrangement for size
'bridge' area is obvious, making a 'here i am, kill me' appearance (and c-n-c nightmare)
nice and big force-field allows for more traffic of fighter pets either way- but that also means more chance to injure the ship if all pets blow up in that area during combat.
Omega:
More feasibility in hangars
Sprawling, but also less chance to hit multiple areas at one time
just FEELS like it would be better at protecting its pets while they launch
more pylons than on Epsilon, making for more intrinsic stability
Deflector placement seems like a sci ship's logical location
Bridge looks recessed, and like it has a decoy bridge, making C-n-C easier to do
smaller force-field area, but (if it was in the show) if it had the same power going to it that Epsilon's did, a stronger force-field.. Less pets going into it at a time means better safety for everyone.
Even after my observations and inferences on both, it took me a couple hours and some coin tosses to decide. Omega won out
After the voting is over and Omega wins, I hope They add all the rest of the options as playable ships.
There are a couple I might actually buy.
(though not interested in the Omega)
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All the folks that vote for the winning ship better buy the hell out of it and get all their friends to buy it also, or Cryptic will never do this again.
I personally don't see the Omega being a "HOT" seller.
<shrug>
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It really makes me go 'Huh..' that every one I have voted for has lost. Not least because none has been a particularly difficult decision... I've had a strong like and dislike in ever round. Curious.
It really makes me go 'Huh..' that every one I have voted for has lost. Not least because none has been a particularly difficult decision... I've had a strong like and dislike in ever round. Curious.
I'm with you... I just want to be on the winning side, so I switched my vote.
It really makes me go 'Huh..' that every one I have voted for has lost. Not least because none has been a particularly difficult decision... I've had a strong like and dislike in ever round. Curious.
I'm with you... I just want to be on the winning side, so I switched my vote.
I've actually lost half of the votes so far. I can live with losing Theta, but Gamma was *the* ship I wanted to win.
please stop picking the Omega because it is the Jupiter....this is actually becoming an incredibly silly statement.
Yes, it is only because of the saucer top-view, yes, jupiter has that huge bathtub of a secondary hull and yes, it also has vertically oriented pylons, rather than horizontally, but also the original Jupiter is a kitbash and Omega is designed as a ship in it's own right. If you cannot see it as a Jupiter redesign, fine, but others can, and since it's a subjective matter, they are not wrong.
Neither am I, tons of people screaming its the Jupiter ermg cant waitz snowflake, and the fact that the best angle to try and prove it looks similar is a top down approach, while every side angle, front back even freaking bottom doesn't look like it...
at this point does it really matter, im sure cryptic already is working on the final version of the omega right now, rigged voting I tell you.
Noticed a few people saying that the Omega and Jupiter aren't similar at all. But I still say the Omega reminds me of an updated Jupiter variant.
The similar things.
Omega and Jupiter both got a long Saucer with VERY similar shape when viewed from above.
4 warp nacelles. (Not that special I know, other ships got that. But its still a similarity)
Hull that runs along the underside of the Saucer section.(Before commenting on this, look at my "big diffrence" part of this post)
A minor diffrence is that the Omega Pylons are connected in a better way than the Jupiter Class Pylons. Always been my biggest problem with the Jupiter Class.
So to me, that is an upgrade.
The big diffrence is really the Hull.
It either looks to me that the Omega got a very flat rounded Hull that hugs the Saucer underside section.
OR it doesn't have a hull at all.
I really can't tell from these pictures. Looks kinda like a Hull on the underside. Not sure if Saucer underside or Hull.
Really need a front view of it to see its true shape.
But isn't that the thing? An upgraded version isn't surpose to look exactly the same like the original, but give tribute to it. (*cough* Akira class, Thunderchild class, Armitage class, and the Alita class, seems just as diffrent and similar to eachother to me. *cough*)
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But isn't that the thing? An upgraded version isn't surpose to look exactly the same like the original, but give tribute to it. (*cough* Akira class, Thunderchild class, Armitage class, and the Alita class, seems just as diffrent and similar to eachother to me. *cough*)
Thank you.
None of us who are voting for Omega because it reminds us of the Jupiter actually believe that it would look just like the Jupiter. The Fed command battlecruisers don't look much like the Typhoon, either, but lots of players made that connection, and I'm quite sure it was intentional on Cryptic's part (seeing as how the in-game Typhoon NPCs have now been replaced by command battlecruisers).
So yeah, it's not a Jupiter, and we're never going to get a playable Jupiter because Cryptic, quite frankly, seems embarrassed by the design. But Omega evokes the Jupiter just enough that those of us who wanted a playable Jupiter will be (mostly) satisfied with Omega if it wins.
Two would be nice.... Carrier and BATTLE-CARRIER. The feds need a battle-carrier.
WTF is a "Battle-carrier" supposed to be? Seriously, players would buy every ship if only there is a "battle" or "war" in the title.
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a battle carrier is supposed to be a tactically-focused carrier, much like the kar'fi (which ironically enough, IS called a battle carrier)
Of all non-nonsense ship designation, this one is certainly amongst the top 5 most hilarious ones Would only be better if it was a "Battle Dreadnaught War-Carrier"
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Alpha and Omega have nearly identical profiles, especially their nacelle configuration. The only real difference between the two at this stage is Alpha's upper Wing/Mission pod/whatever versus Onega's slightly differently shaped primary hull. Also, Alpha is a little Flatter from the side while Omega is more rounded.
At least Epsilon has some variety to it. I also like that it doesn't have a runty set of nacelles. I like that it has more traditional impulse engine placement. I love the huge hanger bay in the front, though I wouldn't mind seeing larger side bays on side of the saucer, similar to Omega. Overall I feel that Epsilon is a tight, logical design, and aesthetically pleasing to boot, imho.
Yes, it is only because of the saucer top-view, yes, jupiter has that huge bathtub of a secondary hull and yes, it also has vertically oriented pylons, rather than horizontally, but also the original Jupiter is a kitbash and Omega is designed as a ship in it's own right. If you cannot see it as a Jupiter redesign, fine, but others can, and since it's a subjective matter, they are not wrong.
As if anything else was going to win...
No other design part counts.
Omega will be our ship.
Luckily enough, it at least seems more federal than the current alternative and many others discarderd along the way because were a stick not enough big.
I doubt the usefulness of such player choice initiatives though.
A suggestion to the devs: next time make all them the same size and proportions and differentiate them for the design so you'll have a meaningful contest.
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Epsilon:
- Better armored
- More compact, which facilitates easier defense, but also facilitates easier to damage multiple areas.
- more defense-oriented in appearance
- Chimera-style nacelle attachment.
- better impulse arrangement for size
- 'bridge' area is obvious, making a 'here i am, kill me' appearance (and c-n-c nightmare)
- nice and big force-field allows for more traffic of fighter pets either way- but that also means more chance to injure the ship if all pets blow up in that area during combat.
Omega:- More feasibility in hangars
- Sprawling, but also less chance to hit multiple areas at one time
- just FEELS like it would be better at protecting its pets while they launch
- more pylons than on Epsilon, making for more intrinsic stability
- Deflector placement seems like a sci ship's logical location
- Bridge looks recessed, and like it has a decoy bridge, making C-n-C easier to do
- smaller force-field area, but (if it was in the show) if it had the same power going to it that Epsilon's did, a stronger force-field.. Less pets going into it at a time means better safety for everyone.
Even after my observations and inferences on both, it took me a couple hours and some coin tosses to decide. Omega won outThere are a couple I might actually buy.
(though not interested in the Omega)
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I personally don't see the Omega being a "HOT" seller.
<shrug>
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I'm with you... I just want to be on the winning side, so I switched my vote.
I've actually lost half of the votes so far. I can live with losing Theta, but Gamma was *the* ship I wanted to win.
Still, I suppose Omega's not a bad second choice.
Neither am I, tons of people screaming its the Jupiter ermg cant waitz snowflake, and the fact that the best angle to try and prove it looks similar is a top down approach, while every side angle, front back even freaking bottom doesn't look like it...
at this point does it really matter, im sure cryptic already is working on the final version of the omega right now, rigged voting I tell you.
The similar things.
Omega and Jupiter both got a long Saucer with VERY similar shape when viewed from above.
4 warp nacelles. (Not that special I know, other ships got that. But its still a similarity)
Hull that runs along the underside of the Saucer section.(Before commenting on this, look at my "big diffrence" part of this post)
A minor diffrence is that the Omega Pylons are connected in a better way than the Jupiter Class Pylons. Always been my biggest problem with the Jupiter Class.
So to me, that is an upgrade.
The big diffrence is really the Hull.
It either looks to me that the Omega got a very flat rounded Hull that hugs the Saucer underside section.
OR it doesn't have a hull at all.
I really can't tell from these pictures.
Looks kinda like a Hull on the underside.
Not sure if Saucer underside or Hull.
Really need a front view of it to see its true shape.
But isn't that the thing? An upgraded version isn't surpose to look exactly the same like the original, but give tribute to it. (*cough* Akira class, Thunderchild class, Armitage class, and the Alita class, seems just as diffrent and similar to eachother to me. *cough*)
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Thank you.
None of us who are voting for Omega because it reminds us of the Jupiter actually believe that it would look just like the Jupiter. The Fed command battlecruisers don't look much like the Typhoon, either, but lots of players made that connection, and I'm quite sure it was intentional on Cryptic's part (seeing as how the in-game Typhoon NPCs have now been replaced by command battlecruisers).
So yeah, it's not a Jupiter, and we're never going to get a playable Jupiter because Cryptic, quite frankly, seems embarrassed by the design. But Omega evokes the Jupiter just enough that those of us who wanted a playable Jupiter will be (mostly) satisfied with Omega if it wins.
It is done.
Epsilon/Omega Hybrid. Yes my paint skills wont get me hired anytime soon XD
Oh the humanity.... Oh the insanity.... Oh the Empty Queue bugs....
Same with me ! What's THAT all about?!
Two would be nice.... Carrier and BATTLE-CARRIER. The feds need a battle-carrier.
Nerfing is Fraud...
WTF is a "Battle-carrier" supposed to be? Seriously, players would buy every ship if only there is a "battle" or "war" in the title.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Of all non-nonsense ship designation, this one is certainly amongst the top 5 most hilarious ones
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I will take 2 of those please o.o Regular and Fleet version.
"Fleet Battle Dreadnaught War-Carrier" ;D
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