What i can see is it seems the "The other" is not something that caused thier downfall or turned on them, they ever more speak of it as something beyond them an so not Iconian, and is more somethign that found them after thier fall an retreat into sub-space helping them to rebuild an consolidate after being broken. I am saying this as it seems some might think the "The other" Could be a betrayer or group of betrayerss (it also sounds more like a singular being not a group.), but i might be wrong.
Now to me this could be a single Q that might have been punished by the continum for this action an sealed somewhere in the unverse for his action saving them, which would make sense with thier actions searching for this being. Also it would need to be beings that could enter or transverse sub-space relatively easy with great power that fits the Q quite well to me.
There you have that being that was found sealed on the world at the center of the universe/galexy behind the Great barrier. It was quite powerful though sealed yet it seemed to be able to reach out thru sub-space an might have been able to use more of it's power in sub-space compared to in the real-space it was sealed in. Also it would be able to use thier anger an desires to consolidate them an control them. Also really something that had to be sealed by an older an more powerful race being destroyed by a photon torp seemed odd to me, so i think it was just heavily wounded. THis would need more done to make it believable though.
The pah-wrath, wormhole aliens have three well known parts with there being the blue wormhole aliens, the red wormhole ones, and the wrath themselves. They are all very powerful beings so another faction fo thier race that maybe left into sub-space might have found or interacted with the Iconians. ANother interesting idea but needs alot of story telling.
I always wondered what the Crystaline entinity is that it might be something like a god-like form of a thollian, what thollians are before they shatter into smaller miniture versions we now see. Almost like a cluster of crystaline tholian eggs that need to devour enough energy to hatch. (this is more just off-topic thinking)
Another interesting idea i had forgot about in a race, is the Nacene or caretakers of the Ocampa race. They had extremely powerful technology, as well as could influence an even manipulate sub-space quite effectively. They are quite old an are explorers too. Issue is that two we know of an those that came into the galexy came 3000 years ago. So that would be an issue, but that might be worked around in some way.
I was also thinking what if we find out that the Harbingers are kinda a by-product of thier ascention into the energy forms pealing off the physical form that is left as the Harbringers that are implanted with other memories. Than they are breed/cloned to create the numbers we see now. Other thing to notice is that the Habringers all seem male with even the lankier thralls an Harbringers being male in appeance. So what if only the female of the race were ascended into the form shown with the male left behind in a physical form, and would make sense why they treat them like almost equals. Could the Harbringers be the origanal form of the Iconians with the "Other" creating a god-like race from the females that united their kind thru their worship of them after they broke into a civil war in sub-space.
I recently played "Of Bajor" and I found something interesting. during one of the possible side missions, I was required to read some of Prylar's (Bajorian Priest) books to find a way to calm down the local population; they didn't like a joint task force setting up shop on the planet, even if it was temporary. most of the books were related to the teachings of the Prophets.
One of the books talked about a high level official or even a prophet meeting someone important, looked weir but fancy. that same book had mentions about the Other and "The whole must be one". This had got me thinking that either Bajorians or the Prophets (more likely) had something to do with the Iconians
I can't remember the exact words or the title of the book so you guys should pay a visit to Hathon's temple on Bajor and and do some research.
I've been rewatching DS9 and after watching the episode "The Assignment" I thought that maybe the Prophets could be involved with the Iconians somehow. We learned that the Iconians are weak against Temporal Weaponry and that's why they ordered the Vaadwaur to exterminate the Krenim. In "The Assignment" it was learned that Chroniton radiation can kill Prophets and Pah Wraiths because a Pah Wraith attempted to force O'Brien to kill the wormhole Prophets with a Chroniton beam. Chronitons were also used to expel the Prophet and Pah Wraith from Kira and Jake in "The Reckoning". We know that Chronitons are usually associated with time travel and the Krenim's torpedoes for example emitted Chroniton radiation. I just found it interesting that Iconians and Prophets would both have the exact same weakness.
At first I thought I might be reaching a bit because Chroniton radiation is apparently hazardous to other life as well, since the Voyager crew required inoculations when exposed to Chroniton radiation. However, it's apparently nowhere near as lethal to us as it it so Prophets because O'Brien and Keiko were completely uneffected by the the Chroniton beam when it hit their Runabout, but it definitely killed the Pah Wraith inside Keiko.
Another thing I always liked was this image from The Book of the Kosst Amojan which appeared in the Deep Space Nine Companion. The image appears to be a Pah Wraith in corporeal form and the "space wizard" appearance reminds me of the Heralds.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I was exploring the House of Pegh and came across a few records...
the last one in the last room makes mention that they are not whole, even without the other. They need the Other to be whole.
i think its some sort of looming menace that they intend to tease out over the coming year.
truth be told, i couldnt care less about 'the other'. i am sick of the iconians, the iconian war, and the delta quadrant altogether. i wish sto would just get past all that and move on to something different.
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truth be told, i couldnt care less about 'the other'. i am sick of the iconians, the iconian war, and the delta quadrant altogether. i wish sto would just get past all that and move on to something different.
Maybe not with these words, but I largely agree. I don't like purple floating semi-omnipotent wizards in my Star Trek game and the whole "darkest hour" talk and "desperate times" schmock doesn't tickle my fancy as well.
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
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Regarding the Heralds - They're more the equivalent of the Vorta or Jem'hadar. which are also servitor species. Likewise a Herald could no more be "The Other" than Earun could be a Founder.
Regarding the Dewa III gate recording - We don't know what the tall entity in the recording is. The shape is equally close to that of an overseer type Herald and is likely to be one. Aside from when T'Ket got the snot zapped out of her we have never seen an Iconian come into contact with the ground on purpose.
Not sure i agree they are treated much different compared to the Vorta and the Jem'hadar, even better thant he solanae or Elechi that are servitor races. They seem to hold a much different place to the Iconians in how they even interact with each other. Also they could just as well be treated as elevated servitors in rank of the servitor races of the Iconians, in that one either thier forms were made to mimic (this is hinted at and said. I also remeber hearing or ereading they were around back on Iconia prior to the fall) the iconian race almost like afavored status that might be from this connection. They are not equal to inconians now, but with changes in the past they might have been close.
Also the form of the iconians is not the only thing that seem to match abit up, other thigns like how the three main iconian females share similarities to the three groups of Heralds. What if after the fall of Iconia the of the Iconians with thier Heralds splinted into several groups fighting a war of blame for the fall of Iconia blaming each other for the fall. Than at some point the "OIther" came an elevated the leaders of the groups or the remaining Iconians itno thier current forms an bring back a civil peace to them prior to leaving for some reason.
I still think the "Other" Is a outside being or force that found the Iconians, as even how they spoke in the Episode "Time in a bottle" they speak of it in reverence. Also seeking this being might be them wanting to create or elevate more into thier form they have making all as one. It is also not the first time a race has turned something or one that is related to them closely into something like a servent or servitor either to be honest in the star trek universe.I will say i never said they were the "other" but tht they were the by-product of what the other did maybe, with the "Other" as siad being someone/thing completel different from the Iconians.
From the information provided the Heralds are a less advanced collection of species. Their similarity to the Iconians is little more than that of the parallels in form between Humans and Chimpanzees or Gorillas.
The development path on Iconia seems to have favoured six eyes, a wedge shaped head and three digit hands, it's therefore not special that all the species who achieved sentience on that world possess those traits. I would not be surprised if any or all "pre-bombardment" native species, wild or domestic, possessed the same traits.
It's not so much The Other who seems to be a target of reverence, T'Ket seems convince it is dead and has been consistently dismissive regarding The Other. It's the apparent cause for restoring whatever unity was lost when Iconia fell that they hold in reverence.
In their human forms for sure. In their natural forms: I don't remember
In Time's Arrow we saw the Devidians walking, yes.
At least in my stories the way I've reconciled the STO and Time's Arrow Devidian behaviors is by having them be capable of it with the assistance of their telekinesis, but not strong enough to do so without any use of their telekinesis (with Alyosha, my character below, as a partial exception--having been raised on Earth by humans, he can at least stand nearly unaided because unlike "normal" Devidians, he's on his feet as much as you or I are).
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Could it be the T'kon? We know that the producers of Star Trek inadvertently crossed the styling of the Iconians with that of the T'kon, why not just codify that as correct?
Could it be the T'kon? We know that the producers of Star Trek inadvertently crossed the styling of the Iconians with that of the T'kon, why not just codify that as correct?
From what we've heard of Iconian names, "T'Kon" doesn't seem that odd as an Iconian name, especially if we go with the theory that the Other is one or more Iconian male.
As far as the grudge against the Preservers--I wonder if they deliberately separated the Iconian genders or did not create males, forcing the Iconians to create their own males? (This would have been a security measure to keep the Iconians from getting too powerful and defying their creators--the sort of measure that tends to create resentment and a self-fulfilling prophecy.)
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Why are people assuming that all the Iconians we see are "female" ? There have been plenty of times in trek where we've seen mono-gendered societies and multiple-gendered races. What we have here is the fact that the Iconians are floaty, spacey, midnight-looking race, at present, This may not have always been the case(as we've seen in the footage recovered from Mol'Rihan, They clearly walk... even run!) What's to say that whatever's made them this colorful glowy heart-core people also didn't strip their gender from them(which would explain why there are so few)?
We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
Why are people assuming that all the Iconians we see are "female" ? There have been plenty of times in trek where we've seen mono-gendered societies and multiple-gendered races. What we have here is the fact that the Iconians are floaty, spacey, midnight-looking race, at present, This may not have always been the case(as we've seen in the footage recovered from Mol'Rihan, They clearly walk... even run!) What's to say that whatever's made them this colorful glowy heart-core people also didn't strip their gender from them(which would explain why there are so few)?
Exactly this. The gender binary doesn't need to be imposed on alien races. Looking at them, I wouldn't even think they'd have a physical sex, what use would they have for gender?
Why are people assuming that all the Iconians we see are "female" ? There have been plenty of times in trek where we've seen mono-gendered societies and multiple-gendered races. What we have here is the fact that the Iconians are floaty, spacey, midnight-looking race, at present, This may not have always been the case(as we've seen in the footage recovered from Mol'Rihan, They clearly walk... even run!) What's to say that whatever's made them this colorful glowy heart-core people also didn't strip their gender from them(which would explain why there are so few)?
There was a reddit post from someone in Cryptic who confirmed it. I think it's linked earlier in this thread. All the Iconians we've encountered are female.
The question of what happened to the male ones was deferred on the basis that it would be a spoiler.
Again, we don't know what the tall creature in the gate room hologram is. It is more likely to be a Herald as we have never seen an Iconian run or stand voluntarily on the ground but Heralds do it all the time.
Why are people assuming that all the Iconians we see are "female" ? There have been plenty of times in trek where we've seen mono-gendered societies and multiple-gendered races. What we have here is the fact that the Iconians are floaty, spacey, midnight-looking race, at present, This may not have always been the case(as we've seen in the footage recovered from Mol'Rihan, They clearly walk... even run!) What's to say that whatever's made them this colorful glowy heart-core people also didn't strip their gender from them(which would explain why there are so few)?
It's not an assumption. Maria Rousseau (zeroniusrex) said they're all female. She's a Cryptic Dev. She undoubtedly knows.
Another interesting idea i had forgot about in a race, is the Nacene or caretakers of the Ocampa race. They had extremely powerful technology, as well as could influence an even manipulate sub-space quite effectively. They are quite old an are explorers too. Issue is that two we know of an those that came into the galexy came 3000 years ago. So that would be an issue, but that might be worked around in some way.
Think your right. The Nacene can travel to other galaxy's by subspace.
Why are people assuming that all the Iconians we see are "female" ? There have been plenty of times in trek where we've seen mono-gendered societies and multiple-gendered races. What we have here is the fact that the Iconians are floaty, spacey, midnight-looking race, at present, This may not have always been the case(as we've seen in the footage recovered from Mol'Rihan, They clearly walk... even run!) What's to say that whatever's made them this colorful glowy heart-core people also didn't strip their gender from them(which would explain why there are so few)?
There was a reddit post from someone in Cryptic who confirmed it. I think it's linked earlier in this thread. All the Iconians we've encountered are female.
The question of what happened to the male ones was deferred on the basis that it would be a spoiler.
Again, we don't know what the tall creature in the gate room hologram is. It is more likely to be a Herald as we have never seen an Iconian run or stand voluntarily on the ground but Heralds do it all the time.
Why are people assuming that all the Iconians we see are "female" ? There have been plenty of times in trek where we've seen mono-gendered societies and multiple-gendered races. What we have here is the fact that the Iconians are floaty, spacey, midnight-looking race, at present, This may not have always been the case(as we've seen in the footage recovered from Mol'Rihan, They clearly walk... even run!) What's to say that whatever's made them this colorful glowy heart-core people also didn't strip their gender from them(which would explain why there are so few)?
It's not an assumption. Maria Rousseau (zeroniusrex) said they're all female. She's a Cryptic Dev. She undoubtedly knows.
The sad things is... I don't consider anything Devs say on reddit as official in any sense because it's not shared here. This is not to say that it's not true... just that when devs make comments like that off the forums or outside of podcasts... It doesn't feel like an "official" response... I mean frell as much as Tacofangs runs around with joke posts, I see those as more official, just to me, than what "some Dev said on reddit."
We don't want what the Feds have. We want the equivalent. We want fairer treatment. Concern, desire, greed to some extent, and passionate belief that the enough people would buy KDF items to make it worth Cryptic's while.
Again, we don't know what the tall creature in the gate room hologram is. It is more likely to be a Herald as we have never seen an Iconian run or stand voluntarily on the ground but Heralds do it all the time.
I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be an Iconian. It was walking, but in the original "Surface Tension" cutscene, the Iconian who was retconned to be M'Tara was also walking. I just see the walking figure in the gate room hologram as being representative of the state of the game at the time.
Your father was captain of a starship for twelve minutes. He saved 800 lives, including your mother's, and yours.
Could it be the T'kon? We know that the producers of Star Trek inadvertently crossed the styling of the Iconians with that of the T'kon, why not just codify that as correct?
From what we've heard of Iconian names, "T'Kon" doesn't seem that odd as an Iconian name, especially if we go with the theory that the Other is one or more Iconian male.
As far as the grudge against the Preservers--I wonder if they deliberately separated the Iconian genders or did not create males, forcing the Iconians to create their own males? (This would have been a security measure to keep the Iconians from getting too powerful and defying their creators--the sort of measure that tends to create resentment and a self-fulfilling prophecy.)
1: it's not T'Kon, it's Tkon.
2: I'm more comfortable describing the Tkon as a race that fought the Iconians and got obliterated. Remember what Picard said about the collapse of Tkon civilization? The sun of their HW unexpectedly exploded. (Yes it was dying, and they were making preparations to replace it, but there was nothing to indicate that it's explosion was natural.)
It's not an assumption. Maria Rousseau (zeroniusrex) said they're all female. She's a Cryptic Dev. She undoubtedly knows.
All she meant was, stop calling them 'he'. Which one user was. It might not necessarily mean they are female.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
All she meant was, stop calling them 'he'. Which one user was. It might not necessarily mean they are female.
Let's not cherry pick here. Full text in context.
KublaKhan81: "This is great work.
Especially love T'Ket, he look like such a badass."
Zeroniusrex: "She. They're all ladies. : D
And I totally agree -- this is great work!"
RadioActivitii: "Why isn't there a guy iconian (guyconian?) in the iconian empire? : ( "
Zeroniusrex : "All will be revealed in the fullness of time.
Also, other reasons, which I may elaborate on later, once I'm at home with some pasta and wine in me. We should have a party."
While part of the comment may have been corrective, Zeroniusrex went further clarifying that the three Iconians in the image were female. The follow up question and response goes even further to imply that we have not seen any male Iconians yet and there is a plot related reason for this. All the Iconians we have seen so far have exactly the same basic feminine form.
So far we've had not follow up on the "other reasons".
Regarding the Heralds - They're more the equivalent of the Vorta or Jem'hadar. which are also servitor species.
The Heralds are referred to not as servitors, but someone more important.
T'ket from Tales of the War #9:
We have our Heralds and servitors
She apparently draws distinction between Heralds and servitors.
I don't think the Constructs are species at all. The name "Construct" kinda gives it away. The Thralls might be, and the Defilers, but they're awfully peculiar forms of life if so. I'm more inclined to believe that all of these are something akin to homunculi or egregores.
On the other hand, the Heralds are, iirc, stated somewhere to be a species which evolved on Iconia along with the Iconians, but as a different species, and there was some speculation that they were originally pets. While I sometimes jokingly refer to male Humans as pets, I don't think that's quite what is intended in the speculation that the Heralds evolved from Iconian pets.
On the other hand, the Heralds are, iirc, stated somewhere to be a species which evolved on Iconia along with the Iconians, but as a different species, and there was some speculation that they were originally pets. While I sometimes jokingly refer to male Humans as pets, I don't think that's quite what is intended in the speculation that the Heralds evolved from Iconian pets.
Actually not exactly so.
I have quoted the devs' blog entry on Heralds on the previous page of this thread (here).
And "pets" version and "lesser species" version are given there not as facts, but rather as guesses. As I've written, looks like it is intentionally vague on the Heralds' origins.
So we can't really rely that it is correct.
On the other hand, the Heralds are, iirc, stated somewhere to be a species which evolved on Iconia along with the Iconians, but as a different species, and there was some speculation that they were originally pets. While I sometimes jokingly refer to male Humans as pets, I don't think that's quite what is intended in the speculation that the Heralds evolved from Iconian pets.
Actually not exactly so.
I have quoted the devs' blog entry on Heralds on the previous page of this thread (here).
And "pets" version and "lesser species" version are given there not as facts, but rather as guesses. As I've written, looks like it is intentionally vague on the Heralds' origins.
So we can't really rely that it is correct.
Yeah, "guesses," which is probably why I said "speculation" twice ...
But let's look at that first bit a little more closely, shall we?
They are not the Iconians themselves, but they are native to Iconia and probably share a common ancestor with the Iconians
I (probably) share a common ancestor with my two cats and my dad's cat, I definitely care for them, and they care for me (if you're a dog person, just move along without any insolence, because I know cats very well, and I don't care one bit about your biased notions regarding cats), but that does not mean that we are lovers or even that we are the same species.
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Now to me this could be a single Q that might have been punished by the continum for this action an sealed somewhere in the unverse for his action saving them, which would make sense with thier actions searching for this being. Also it would need to be beings that could enter or transverse sub-space relatively easy with great power that fits the Q quite well to me.
There you have that being that was found sealed on the world at the center of the universe/galexy behind the Great barrier. It was quite powerful though sealed yet it seemed to be able to reach out thru sub-space an might have been able to use more of it's power in sub-space compared to in the real-space it was sealed in. Also it would be able to use thier anger an desires to consolidate them an control them. Also really something that had to be sealed by an older an more powerful race being destroyed by a photon torp seemed odd to me, so i think it was just heavily wounded. THis would need more done to make it believable though.
The pah-wrath, wormhole aliens have three well known parts with there being the blue wormhole aliens, the red wormhole ones, and the wrath themselves. They are all very powerful beings so another faction fo thier race that maybe left into sub-space might have found or interacted with the Iconians. ANother interesting idea but needs alot of story telling.
I always wondered what the Crystaline entinity is that it might be something like a god-like form of a thollian, what thollians are before they shatter into smaller miniture versions we now see. Almost like a cluster of crystaline tholian eggs that need to devour enough energy to hatch. (this is more just off-topic thinking)
I was also thinking what if we find out that the Harbingers are kinda a by-product of thier ascention into the energy forms pealing off the physical form that is left as the Harbringers that are implanted with other memories. Than they are breed/cloned to create the numbers we see now. Other thing to notice is that the Habringers all seem male with even the lankier thralls an Harbringers being male in appeance. So what if only the female of the race were ascended into the form shown with the male left behind in a physical form, and would make sense why they treat them like almost equals. Could the Harbringers be the origanal form of the Iconians with the "Other" creating a god-like race from the females that united their kind thru their worship of them after they broke into a civil war in sub-space.
I've been rewatching DS9 and after watching the episode "The Assignment" I thought that maybe the Prophets could be involved with the Iconians somehow. We learned that the Iconians are weak against Temporal Weaponry and that's why they ordered the Vaadwaur to exterminate the Krenim. In "The Assignment" it was learned that Chroniton radiation can kill Prophets and Pah Wraiths because a Pah Wraith attempted to force O'Brien to kill the wormhole Prophets with a Chroniton beam. Chronitons were also used to expel the Prophet and Pah Wraith from Kira and Jake in "The Reckoning". We know that Chronitons are usually associated with time travel and the Krenim's torpedoes for example emitted Chroniton radiation. I just found it interesting that Iconians and Prophets would both have the exact same weakness.
At first I thought I might be reaching a bit because Chroniton radiation is apparently hazardous to other life as well, since the Voyager crew required inoculations when exposed to Chroniton radiation. However, it's apparently nowhere near as lethal to us as it it so Prophets because O'Brien and Keiko were completely uneffected by the the Chroniton beam when it hit their Runabout, but it definitely killed the Pah Wraith inside Keiko.
Another thing I always liked was this image from The Book of the Kosst Amojan which appeared in the Deep Space Nine Companion. The image appears to be a Pah Wraith in corporeal form and the "space wizard" appearance reminds me of the Heralds.
Didn't the Dividians walk in Times Arrow?
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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In their human forms for sure. In their natural forms: I don't remember
truth be told, i couldnt care less about 'the other'. i am sick of the iconians, the iconian war, and the delta quadrant altogether. i wish sto would just get past all that and move on to something different.
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Maybe not with these words, but I largely agree. I don't like purple floating semi-omnipotent wizards in my Star Trek game and the whole "darkest hour" talk and "desperate times" schmock doesn't tickle my fancy as well.
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Regarding the Dewa III gate recording - We don't know what the tall entity in the recording is. The shape is equally close to that of an overseer type Herald and is likely to be one. Aside from when T'Ket got the snot zapped out of her we have never seen an Iconian come into contact with the ground on purpose.
Also the form of the iconians is not the only thing that seem to match abit up, other thigns like how the three main iconian females share similarities to the three groups of Heralds. What if after the fall of Iconia the of the Iconians with thier Heralds splinted into several groups fighting a war of blame for the fall of Iconia blaming each other for the fall. Than at some point the "OIther" came an elevated the leaders of the groups or the remaining Iconians itno thier current forms an bring back a civil peace to them prior to leaving for some reason.
I still think the "Other" Is a outside being or force that found the Iconians, as even how they spoke in the Episode "Time in a bottle" they speak of it in reverence. Also seeking this being might be them wanting to create or elevate more into thier form they have making all as one. It is also not the first time a race has turned something or one that is related to them closely into something like a servent or servitor either to be honest in the star trek universe.I will say i never said they were the "other" but tht they were the by-product of what the other did maybe, with the "Other" as siad being someone/thing completel different from the Iconians.
The development path on Iconia seems to have favoured six eyes, a wedge shaped head and three digit hands, it's therefore not special that all the species who achieved sentience on that world possess those traits. I would not be surprised if any or all "pre-bombardment" native species, wild or domestic, possessed the same traits.
It's not so much The Other who seems to be a target of reverence, T'Ket seems convince it is dead and has been consistently dismissive regarding The Other. It's the apparent cause for restoring whatever unity was lost when Iconia fell that they hold in reverence.
In Time's Arrow we saw the Devidians walking, yes.
At least in my stories the way I've reconciled the STO and Time's Arrow Devidian behaviors is by having them be capable of it with the assistance of their telekinesis, but not strong enough to do so without any use of their telekinesis (with Alyosha, my character below, as a partial exception--having been raised on Earth by humans, he can at least stand nearly unaided because unlike "normal" Devidians, he's on his feet as much as you or I are).
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From what we've heard of Iconian names, "T'Kon" doesn't seem that odd as an Iconian name, especially if we go with the theory that the Other is one or more Iconian male.
As far as the grudge against the Preservers--I wonder if they deliberately separated the Iconian genders or did not create males, forcing the Iconians to create their own males? (This would have been a security measure to keep the Iconians from getting too powerful and defying their creators--the sort of measure that tends to create resentment and a self-fulfilling prophecy.)
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Exactly this. The gender binary doesn't need to be imposed on alien races. Looking at them, I wouldn't even think they'd have a physical sex, what use would they have for gender?
The question of what happened to the male ones was deferred on the basis that it would be a spoiler.
Again, we don't know what the tall creature in the gate room hologram is. It is more likely to be a Herald as we have never seen an Iconian run or stand voluntarily on the ground but Heralds do it all the time.
It's not an assumption. Maria Rousseau (zeroniusrex) said they're all female. She's a Cryptic Dev. She undoubtedly knows.
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The sad things is... I don't consider anything Devs say on reddit as official in any sense because it's not shared here. This is not to say that it's not true... just that when devs make comments like that off the forums or outside of podcasts... It doesn't feel like an "official" response... I mean frell as much as Tacofangs runs around with joke posts, I see those as more official, just to me, than what "some Dev said on reddit."
I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be an Iconian. It was walking, but in the original "Surface Tension" cutscene, the Iconian who was retconned to be M'Tara was also walking. I just see the walking figure in the gate room hologram as being representative of the state of the game at the time.
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2: I'm more comfortable describing the Tkon as a race that fought the Iconians and got obliterated. Remember what Picard said about the collapse of Tkon civilization? The sun of their HW unexpectedly exploded. (Yes it was dying, and they were making preparations to replace it, but there was nothing to indicate that it's explosion was natural.)
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All she meant was, stop calling them 'he'. Which one user was. It might not necessarily mean they are female.
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What she said was:
"She. They're all ladies."
Looks like she meant that they're all female. Unless "ladies" means something different in your part of the world?
KublaKhan81: "This is great work.
Especially love T'Ket, he look like such a badass."
Zeroniusrex: "She. They're all ladies. : D
And I totally agree -- this is great work!"
RadioActivitii: "Why isn't there a guy iconian (guyconian?) in the iconian empire? : ( "
Zeroniusrex : "All will be revealed in the fullness of time.
Also, other reasons, which I may elaborate on later, once I'm at home with some pasta and wine in me. We should have a party."
While part of the comment may have been corrective, Zeroniusrex went further clarifying that the three Iconians in the image were female. The follow up question and response goes even further to imply that we have not seen any male Iconians yet and there is a plot related reason for this. All the Iconians we have seen so far have exactly the same basic feminine form.
So far we've had not follow up on the "other reasons".
T'ket from Tales of the War #9: She apparently draws distinction between Heralds and servitors.
I don't think the Constructs are species at all. The name "Construct" kinda gives it away. The Thralls might be, and the Defilers, but they're awfully peculiar forms of life if so. I'm more inclined to believe that all of these are something akin to homunculi or egregores.
On the other hand, the Heralds are, iirc, stated somewhere to be a species which evolved on Iconia along with the Iconians, but as a different species, and there was some speculation that they were originally pets. While I sometimes jokingly refer to male Humans as pets, I don't think that's quite what is intended in the speculation that the Heralds evolved from Iconian pets.
I have quoted the devs' blog entry on Heralds on the previous page of this thread (here).
And "pets" version and "lesser species" version are given there not as facts, but rather as guesses. As I've written, looks like it is intentionally vague on the Heralds' origins.
So we can't really rely that it is correct.
Yeah, "guesses," which is probably why I said "speculation" twice ...
But let's look at that first bit a little more closely, shall we?
I (probably) share a common ancestor with my two cats and my dad's cat, I definitely care for them, and they care for me (if you're a dog person, just move along without any insolence, because I know cats very well, and I don't care one bit about your biased notions regarding cats), but that does not mean that we are lovers or even that we are the same species.