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CBS unviels the extended look at Supergirl and it's...ehhhh

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  • sleel43sleel43 Member Posts: 100 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    It actually looks interesting



    I'm not upset that Jimmy is black Cause well it's 2015 and you gotta be really backward to care about that... what I don't like is he is very charming and has charisma I like my Jimmy being awkward, and Nerdy especially when Supergirl is involved.

    No. It's not backward. The character is who they are. Ppl don't change ethnicity. If you want a black char in the role. Invent a new one. You don't TRIBBLE on lore for the sake of PC. Catwoman isn't black either. And when I saw that the creators cared that little about character lore that they'd ignore that little basic fact, I knew they'd not give a damn how schlock they made the rest of the movie. And it racked up the Razzies to prove it. Want a black character to rub your PC bone. Create one. you don't usurp an existing one.
  • mackbolan01mackbolan01 Member Posts: 580 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    ooooops, i think i farted again............
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    TOS was cancelled after 3 seasons due to poor ratings too. And look where we are today. ;)
    Yeah, except that Star Trek: The Motion Picture did well at the box office while Serenity bombed. If TMP had bombed we would probably be no where. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • amoroxicamoroxic Member Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Heh... CBS get's girls... Marvel gets Women :rolleyes:
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited May 2015
    supergirl..................Blond hair blue eyes.................period

    jimmy Olsen.....................OMG..............Seriously no.........just no


    Is JJ Abram's doing this ?
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  • robyvisionrobyvision Member Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I truly have no idea how I feel about this.

    On the one hand, it looks like a total kick butt superhero show. The action sequences seem pretty cool and the effects are seemless and pop on screen.

    On the other hand....Supergirl works at a magazine, which is the premise for HOW many CBS sitcoms in the past two years?

    That's just cringe worthy.

    I dont like this at all.:(
  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 36,106 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    valoreah wrote: »

    Need I point out that the Ultimate Universe was a reinterpretation of the 616 universe, not a set of completely new characters? This Supergirl TV show is exactly the same; an interpretation of the Supergirl characters for 21st Century television, just as the Ultimate Universe was an interpretation of the Marvel Universe for 21st Century comics. There isn't a difference.

    You're entitled to your opinion, and you don't have to justify them, but if you are going to justify them, do it logically.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Hrmm, so with me being 43...that will kick in when I'm in my 50s...my 60s...my 70s?

    Course, having reached this point...I've already learned that fun means different things to different people...and one doesn't have to force their fun on others. Is that something one forgets as they get older?
    I think it kicked in around 28 for me, when I started realizing just how stupid and petty many people's reasons for not liking things are.
    valoreah wrote: »
    Nick Fury is black in the Ultimates Universe in the comics which is what the MCU is based off, and I much prefer Samuel L. Jackson's take on the character over David Hasselhoffs. As far as I can recall, Jimmy Olsen has always been a white male.

    I'm not upset at all, just find changing something for the sake of attmepting to be PC is silly. If you want more African American or Asian or Muslim or green characters, then create them.

    There were people of all races, colors and genders pre-70s too. You also had characters like Luke Cage, Black Panther, Falcon, Ms. Marvel etc.
    As a counter point.... Ultimate Nick Fury is not actually the same person as the regular Nick Fury. It's his SON Nick Fury Jr..... I'm sure we can guess what the mother looked like. :P
    I'll admit, I'm not the biggest fan of DC. Not because I don't like their characters, far from it. Rather it's because their live action adaptations have been...hit or miss to say the least, especially when it comes to their heroines. Yes the Linda Carter Wonder Woman is fun in it's own campy way but stack that up against the Supergirl Movie, Birds of Prey, the gods awful Wonder Woman pilot and...yeah... >.>;

    That said though I'll give credit where it's due. It looks like they are actually putting some real effort and care into the new Supergirl series. I like some of the little asides and lampshades (her ridiculously fanservicey first costume, a discussion of the name "Supergirl", etc...) The actors seem like they fit their rolls well and Flockhart looks she is going to be having a ball. All told my curiosity is piqued and I'd be willing to give this one a shot.
    I LIKED the Supergirl movie.... Helen Slater was awesome. So awesome she showed up in Smallville as Clark' mother. :P
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,446 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    As a counter point.... Ultimate Nick Fury is not actually the same person as the regular Nick Fury. It's his SON Nick Fury Jr..... I'm sure we can guess what the mother looked like. :P
    Being really nitpicky, Nick Fury in Ultimates was the only Nick Fury in the Earth-1610 timeline. Nick Fury Jr. came about in Earth-616 when Sam Jackson's portrayal in the movie The Avengers was such a hit.

    And the timeline in the TV show Supergirl is quite obviously not the timeline in the multiply-retconned DC Comics, so in this world, why shouldn't Jimmy (pardon me, James) be black? Perry White wasn't white in Man of Steel, and I don't remember this much fuss being kicked up then. (For that matter, the young lady trapped in the rubble of the Planet building? That was originally supposed to be the MoS version of the young intern - Janet Olsen. Ultimately, that part of the story was cut for time.)
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  • themariethemarie Member Posts: 1,055 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Meh? Looks fine to me. Sadly it won't last because it is not pandering to the male-centric audience. Too much girl-angst and girl-problem for it to last beyond a season or two. At least that's what I see from the trailer.

    Trailer shows a show that doesn't pander to the males who make the decisions, the males who 90% of all advertising is aimed at and the males who sit in on the meetings where they decide which shows stay and which shows get canned.

    Like I said it looks fine to me -- but I doubt it'll last. Too bad really.
  • blassreiterusblassreiterus Member Posts: 1,294 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    The trailer impressed me so much that I'm definitely watching this show. Can't wait for Mondays in November. Too bad it's also running at the same time as Gotham, but I will forgive the timeslot decision anyway.

    Helen Slater's also in this show, as for her role, it's unknown at the moment, plus Dean Cain's in it, again, with an unknown role. Just for that, I'm excited for the show.

    Calista Flockhart as Cat Grant was awesome in the trailer.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    Personally I'd put it in the same weight class as Superman III: has some good intentions, is not without its charms, and arguably is a bit better than it gets a rep for, but still suffers from some glaring flaws and more than a little wasted potential. But maybe that's just me.
    Enh... most film adaptations do. And often people will have different gripes about the same movie. :P

    For me the most annoying thing was the question of where the Omegahedron came from. :P It's hinted at being a mystic artifact, but... why do Kryptonians have it? Also, the story of how it got lost and Zaltar got imprisoned for losing it was kinda feeble.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,446 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    Since retconning is ok, I'll ask again, why not retcon the show to make Supergirl a transgender Asian muslim dwarf with bipolar disorder?
    To which I will reply - why? Other than to make fun of what you're calling "political correctness"?

    The character of Supergirl, however, can't be bipolar, as mental stability is one of the defining traits. Also, as Islam is a Terran religion, it wouldn't make sense for Kara Zor-El, who left Krypton as a teenager, to be an adherent. However, if the best actress for the role were Asian, why not?

    And of course "retconning is okay". Do you have the vaguest idea how many times Superman's been retconned since 1939? If we're not allowed to change things, then he shouldn't be an alien, he shouldn't be able to fly, and explosions should hurt him - his original powerset was that he was a man with "incredible strength", who could leap the oddly specific distance of 1/8th of a mile, and whose skin couldn't be pierced by anything short of "an exploding shell".

    Also, Batman should carry a pair of .45s and crack jokes as the bad guys die. And Green Lantern should be wearing itchy-looking flannel PJs and wielding a magical ring that's vulnerable to wood. (Which is an especially funny weakness when you think about Alan Scott's most recent retcon...)
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  • crypticarmsmancrypticarmsman Member Posts: 4,115 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    Since retconning is ok, I'll ask again, why not retcon the show to make Supergirl a transgender Asian muslim dwarf with bipolar disorder?

    Because they realize that probably wouldn't play well/get big ratings over the long term on a Network TV show. Your response is Apples and Oranges with a bit of hyperbole thrown in. As was also stated above by someone - no one had a cow when Laurence Fishburne played a black Perry White in the 'Man of Steel' feature film (with no prior Black Perry White in any incarnation of Superman comics/TV series/Films previously); so to suddenly call this particular production out for such a change seems ridiculous.

    Not saying you should like or have to agree with the change; but it's hardly either unprecedented or all that rare in modern takes on established comic book superhero characters.
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,306 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    jonsills wrote: »
    To which I will reply - why? Other than to make fun of what you're calling "political correctness"?

    The character of Supergirl, however, can't be bipolar, as mental stability is one of the defining traits. Also, as Islam is a Terran religion, it wouldn't make sense for Kara Zor-El, who left Krypton as a teenager, to be an adherent. However, if the best actress for the role were Asian, why not?

    And of course "retconning is okay". Do you have the vaguest idea how many times Superman's been retconned since 1939? If we're not allowed to change things, then he shouldn't be an alien, he shouldn't be able to fly, and explosions should hurt him - his original powerset was that he was a man with "incredible strength", who could leap the oddly specific distance of 1/8th of a mile, and whose skin couldn't be pierced by anything short of "an exploding shell".

    Also, Batman should carry a pair of .45s and crack jokes as the bad guys die. And Green Lantern should be wearing itchy-looking flannel PJs and wielding a magical ring that's vulnerable to wood. (Which is an especially funny weakness when you think about Alan Scott's most recent retcon...)

    Actually I liked that older superman more because he was weaker. Its no fun having superman be a god because even the real threats to him aren't really threats.
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  • blassreiterusblassreiterus Member Posts: 1,294 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    And I'll ask the same question for changing Jimmy Olsen. It's not necessary IMO.
    That's just it, it's your opinion. I have no issue with James Olsen being a black actor at all. I think it's a refreshing change to the normal way James Olsen is said to be. You don't have to agree that a Black James Olsen is a good thing, but it is happening whether you like it or not. There are only two things to do with this situation: accept it or not. It's your choice.
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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    And I'll ask the same question for changing Jimmy Olsen. It's not necessary IMO.
    There is nothing particular about the character that screams "this must be a white guy". So they are no more changing him then having a different artist paint him.
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  • rooster707rooster707 Member Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    Already said I wasn't going to watch the show, so I don't really care what color or gender or species he is.

    Then why are you still here?
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  • proteusrexproteusrex Member Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    jonsills wrote: »
    . And Green Lantern should be wearing itchy-looking flannel PJs and wielding a magical ring that's vulnerable to wood. (Which is an especially funny weakness when you think about Alan Scott's most recent retcon...)

    HA! I just got it!
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  • blassreiterusblassreiterus Member Posts: 1,294 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    75+ years of printed canon, various television programs and feature films portraying the character as Caucasian isn't enough?
    So? James Olsen being caucasian in previous works doesn't mean he has to remain caucasian in Supergirl... besides, I doubt James Olsen ever had any interaction with Kara Zor-el in the comics just by herself.
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    So they could replace Supergirl with a Middle Eastern transgender Hindu circus dwarf with aspergers syndrome so long as they are good in the part?

    Let me guess, you're one of those people that got pissy over Heimdall. :rolleyes:
  • blassreiterusblassreiterus Member Posts: 1,294 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    I said the same thing about Supergirl being portrayed by an Asian dwarf, but that doesn't seem to be ok for some reason.

    Being Caucasian for 75+ years doesn't mean that his character must be changed either.
    Well, either get used to it or don't, it's your choice, but the change has happened for Supergirl.
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  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    Pissy? No, not at all. I didn't see the need to change his ethnicity though.

    Really? Because you sound mad. Almost like some white protestant male from the south complaining about "political correctness" corrupting our childrenz.
  • blassreiterusblassreiterus Member Posts: 1,294 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    Good for that show then. I still think the show overall looks stupid.
    That's your right to think it's stupid. That doesn't mean anything really, so there you go.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    I think it kicked in around 28 for me, when I started realizing just how stupid and petty many people's reasons for not liking things are.

    So people that don't like things you like are stupid and petty?
    jonsills wrote: »
    The character of Supergirl, however, can't be bipolar, as mental stability is one of the defining traits.

    So portraying her as a basketcase 20-something from a rom-com supports her having mental stability how?
    So? James Olsen being caucasian in previous works doesn't mean he has to remain caucasian in Supergirl...

    Because you're fine with retcons...other people aren't. My girlfriend's not fine with retcons, just like I'm not. She doesn't know anything Jimmy...but I still can't get her to watch BSG cause the first thing she'll say is Starbuck wasn't a woman - he was a man. Some people just do not like retcons.
  • ryan218ryan218 Member Posts: 36,106 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    So people that don't like things you like are stupid and petty?



    So portraying her as a basketcase 20-something from a rom-com supports her having mental stability how?



    Because you're fine with retcons...other people aren't. My girlfriend's not fine with retcons, just like I'm not. She doesn't know anything Jimmy...but I still can't get her to watch BSG cause the first thing she'll say is Starbuck wasn't a woman - he was a man. Some people just do not like retcons.

    This isn't a retcon though. It's a new interpretation. If it were in the Prime DC Comics Universe, then it would be a retcon, but this is a new continuity, with no impact on the source material whatsoever.
  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    valoreah wrote: »
    75+ years of printed canon, various television programs and feature films portraying the character as Caucasian isn't enough?

    Apparently not.

    I've got to say that I disagree with you on this one. It's perhaps slightly surprising in the wake of all that history, but it's not unprecedented and the character isn't significantly altered by having a black man play the role.

    Modern audiences won't bat an eye. Had they cast a black man in the role of Superman, that would be noteworthy. Not because a dark-skinned Superman would be a bad thing, but because that's not the image people have in their heads when you talk about Superman.

    (Unless of course, we're talking about Muhammed Ali...)

    Try asking a non-fanboy whether they can picture a black man as Jimmy Olsen and most of them are going to say "Jimmy Who?"

    If there's anything wrong with the casting, it's that I expect Jimmy Olsen to be the youngest guy in the room and that he's the one gushing over Kara and not the other way around. This guy seems too self-assured.

    But in the clip I saw, they handled it beautifully. She calls him Jimmy -- acknowledging that we're talking about Superman's Pal -- and then he corrects her and calls himself James, establishing that this is not quite the Jimmy Olsen we might be familiar with and moving forward with it.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    ryan218 wrote: »
    This isn't a retcon though. It's a new interpretation. If it were in the Prime DC Comics Universe, then it would be a retcon, but this is a new continuity, with no impact on the source material whatsoever.

    That's a terminology argument, getting into the word having specific meaning to one group and a looser meaning to another group. Man, I used to argue words with folks all the time - as people came along redefining them (funny, thinking about it, eh? redefining and all that, ahem). I gave up though, cause it was pointless. People would use the terms the way they would, would cause all sorts of confusion, and so it generally got into asking folks what they meant when they said something...which tended to TRIBBLE them off, cause they couldn't imagine how anybody could have another definition of the term (funny, thinking about it, eh? since their definition was a redefinition and all).

    So yep, retcon...not talking about changing the continuity of the source...just talking about changing the history of a subject. It basically taking on more meaning than it had while losing part of the meaning it had. Not just what retcon meant, but also including various alterations that take place in remakes and reboots. It's a new interpretation...so to speak. So you should be fine with that, no?
  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    So portraying her as a basketcase 20-something from a rom-com supports her having mental stability how?

    Y'know, as much as I liked Helen Slater in the role -- bad as the movie was -- this version of Kara seems a lot more (ironically) human.

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    Taking some cues from the sneak peek, we see a young woman who's had to hide her powers and origins to the extent that she doesn't even know if she's bulletproof. She's trying to live a normal human life but she doesn't quite fit in and she's unsure of herself. She's living in the shadow of Superman and doesn't see herself as that kind of a hero. Somehow she's ended up as an assistant to a very high-maintenance boss (did Clark get her the job?) who seems to have a knack for making the people around her very insecure.

    Then there's this event. A person she loves like a sister is about to die in a plane crash and Kara's the only one who can stop that from happening. She sets aside her insecurities and fears and discovers what she's really capable of.

    If Kara were as 'perfect' as Helen Slater's version was, there wouldn't be a lot of character growth. There'd be no epiphany. And no real reason to have an entire TV series around it other than eye-candy with an S on her chest.

    Yeah, she's a "basketcase". That's what I like about it.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited May 2015
    bluegeek wrote: »
    Apparently not.

    I've got to say that I disagree with you on this one. It's perhaps slightly surprising in the wake of all that history, but it's not unprecedented and the character isn't significantly altered by having a black man play the role.

    Modern audiences won't bat an eye. Had they cast a black man in the role of Superman, that would be noteworthy. Not because a dark-skinned Superman would be a bad thing, but because that's not the image people have in their heads when you talk about Superman.

    (Unless of course, we're talking about Muhammed Ali...)

    Try asking a non-fanboy whether they can picture a black man as Jimmy Olsen and most of them are going to say "Jimmy Who?"

    If there's anything wrong with the casting, it's that I expect Jimmy Olsen to be the youngest guy in the room and that he's the one gushing over Kara and not the other way around. This guy seems too self-assured.

    But in the clip I saw, they handled it beautifully. She calls him Jimmy -- acknowledging that we're talking about Superman's Pal -- and then he corrects her and calls himself James, establishing that this is not quite the Jimmy Olsen we might be familiar with and moving forward with it.

    Which I guess gets into the fanboi thing, cause even if Jimmy were being portrayed by a white male actor...that portrayal of Jimmy as James doesn't fit either.

    It gets into much of the upset and uproar, disapproval, whatever level it is at - even a shrug/whatever and complete disinterest that takes place with many things...

    So many things that have been redone, remade, etc, etc, etc...and how...there's been that kind of reaction, no? There's been so much of it recently, because things have been rehashed so much recently.

    Want to have a black male character in a key supporting role as a potential romantic interest for the lead character? Why not? Who cares if her love interest is white, black, or purple with green polka dots? Hell, who cares if her love interest is even male or female?

    But changing a character and keeping the name? New Coke didn't do so well.

    Hell, it's like the following...

    Tom: Hey, Jerry, you okay? What's wrong?
    Jerry: Huh, what do you mean?
    Tom: You don't seem yourself.

    ...and it's that simple.

    Jimmy Olsen doesn't seem himself.
    bluegeek wrote: »
    Y'know, as much as I liked Helen Slater in the role -- bad as the movie was -- this version of Kara seems a lot more (ironically) human.

    Yes, it allows for character growth...allowing one to view that character going from point A to point B...gets into an origin story sort of thing that you get to follow along with as the character becomes something more familiar or if not familiar something more heroic as befitting the theme.

    It's a common thing, it's almost formulaic if not downright formulaic...

    ...my question was more of a did he even watch the trailer or is he just SJW pontificating.
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