Ok, but so what? How does that prevent anyone from creating new characters to be whatever race, gender or religion they want now?
I assume that you are aware that creating a new character does not have the same impact as updating an existing character. Jimmy Olsen is tied to the DC universe. Cat Grant is tied to the DC universe, etc. These characters have meaning to the Superman/girl/boy mythos well beyond just their race. Having Tom Brown in the show does not have the same impact as James Olsen.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I disagree. Every major/iconic character that exists today was a new character at some point. Creators, artists and publishers took a chance on them and lo and behold, people liked them and they in turn became popular.
I am sorry but your argument is really losing steam now. If the IP did not matter why have a Supergirl from DC rather then just Amazing Girl on CBS?
The IP matters far more then the race of secondary characters.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
The Greatest American Hero wasn't an IP that was part of DC or Marvel and that was a popular show for a while.
Why not make Supergirl an African American male?
Yeah, it lasted 44 episodes whereas Smallville went 218 - and Arrow is currently at 69.
Probably because Supergirl would be an odd name for a Black male?
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
So what? Firefly didn't have that many episodes either and it has a cult following. Point was the IP isn't always important.
Why? Bruce Jenner is a man but would apparently prefer everyone to refer to him as she. If I'm understanding you correctly, it's ok to change characters around so long as they aren't the major ones? If so, why not change the main character?
So in an attempt to divert us way from the original points you want us to go off on a Firefly and Transgender tangent now? Seriously?
You are entitled to your opinion, and no one here is going to change that - especially since you love to debate forever. Suffice it to say that you are one of the few who seems to care that Jimmy Olsen is Black in the Supergirl series. The rest of us have no issues with it.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
You had said that the IP is important to the show. I disagreed and provided 2 examples, Firefly included, where an unknown new property can become popular, so having a pre-established IP isn't always a key for success. Not that hard to follow.
And one could also say that both GAH and FF were failures - even if they do have a cult following. GAH could not get enough episodes to make it to syndication and FF could not get past a shorted 13-episode season; and Serenity lost money when it was released. A cult following does not mean something is financially viable. An established IP can carry a show longer because it has a built-in audience.
Anyway, I am done debating this with you. Feel free to get in the last word. From this point I am only gong to talk about Supergirl - and other upcoming supers series - in this thread.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I'm not upset that Jimmy is black Cause well it's 2015 and you gotta be really backward to care about that... what I don't like is he is very charming and has charisma I like my Jimmy being awkward, and Nerdy especially when Supergirl is involved.
No. It's not backward. The character is who they are. Ppl don't change ethnicity. If you want a black char in the role. Invent a new one. You don't TRIBBLE on lore for the sake of PC. Catwoman isn't black either. And when I saw that the creators cared that little about character lore that they'd ignore that little basic fact, I knew they'd not give a damn how schlock they made the rest of the movie. And it racked up the Razzies to prove it. Want a black character to rub your PC bone. Create one. you don't usurp an existing one.
TOS was cancelled after 3 seasons due to poor ratings too. And look where we are today.
Yeah, except that Star Trek: The Motion Picture did well at the box office while Serenity bombed. If TMP had bombed we would probably be no where.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
supergirl..................Blond hair blue eyes.................period
jimmy Olsen.....................OMG..............Seriously no.........just no
Is JJ Abram's doing this ?
Jellico....Engineer ground.....Da'val Romulan space Sci
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Need I point out that the Ultimate Universe was a reinterpretation of the 616 universe, not a set of completely new characters? This Supergirl TV show is exactly the same; an interpretation of the Supergirl characters for 21st Century television, just as the Ultimate Universe was an interpretation of the Marvel Universe for 21st Century comics. There isn't a difference.
You're entitled to your opinion, and you don't have to justify them, but if you are going to justify them, do it logically.
Hrmm, so with me being 43...that will kick in when I'm in my 50s...my 60s...my 70s?
Course, having reached this point...I've already learned that fun means different things to different people...and one doesn't have to force their fun on others. Is that something one forgets as they get older?
I think it kicked in around 28 for me, when I started realizing just how stupid and petty many people's reasons for not liking things are.
Nick Fury is black in the Ultimates Universe in the comics which is what the MCU is based off, and I much prefer Samuel L. Jackson's take on the character over David Hasselhoffs. As far as I can recall, Jimmy Olsen has always been a white male.
I'm not upset at all, just find changing something for the sake of attmepting to be PC is silly. If you want more African American or Asian or Muslim or green characters, then create them.
There were people of all races, colors and genders pre-70s too. You also had characters like Luke Cage, Black Panther, Falcon, Ms. Marvel etc.
As a counter point.... Ultimate Nick Fury is not actually the same person as the regular Nick Fury. It's his SON Nick Fury Jr..... I'm sure we can guess what the mother looked like. :P
I'll admit, I'm not the biggest fan of DC. Not because I don't like their characters, far from it. Rather it's because their live action adaptations have been...hit or miss to say the least, especially when it comes to their heroines. Yes the Linda Carter Wonder Woman is fun in it's own campy way but stack that up against the Supergirl Movie, Birds of Prey, the gods awful Wonder Woman pilot and...yeah... >.>;
That said though I'll give credit where it's due. It looks like they are actually putting some real effort and care into the new Supergirl series. I like some of the little asides and lampshades (her ridiculously fanservicey first costume, a discussion of the name "Supergirl", etc...) The actors seem like they fit their rolls well and Flockhart looks she is going to be having a ball. All told my curiosity is piqued and I'd be willing to give this one a shot.
I LIKED the Supergirl movie.... Helen Slater was awesome. So awesome she showed up in Smallville as Clark' mother. :P
As a counter point.... Ultimate Nick Fury is not actually the same person as the regular Nick Fury. It's his SON Nick Fury Jr..... I'm sure we can guess what the mother looked like. :P
Being really nitpicky, Nick Fury in Ultimates was the only Nick Fury in the Earth-1610 timeline. Nick Fury Jr. came about in Earth-616 when Sam Jackson's portrayal in the movie The Avengers was such a hit.
And the timeline in the TV show Supergirl is quite obviously not the timeline in the multiply-retconned DC Comics, so in this world, why shouldn't Jimmy (pardon me, James) be black? Perry White wasn't white in Man of Steel, and I don't remember this much fuss being kicked up then. (For that matter, the young lady trapped in the rubble of the Planet building? That was originally supposed to be the MoS version of the young intern - Janet Olsen. Ultimately, that part of the story was cut for time.)
Meh? Looks fine to me. Sadly it won't last because it is not pandering to the male-centric audience. Too much girl-angst and girl-problem for it to last beyond a season or two. At least that's what I see from the trailer.
Trailer shows a show that doesn't pander to the males who make the decisions, the males who 90% of all advertising is aimed at and the males who sit in on the meetings where they decide which shows stay and which shows get canned.
Like I said it looks fine to me -- but I doubt it'll last. Too bad really.
The trailer impressed me so much that I'm definitely watching this show. Can't wait for Mondays in November. Too bad it's also running at the same time as Gotham, but I will forgive the timeslot decision anyway.
Helen Slater's also in this show, as for her role, it's unknown at the moment, plus Dean Cain's in it, again, with an unknown role. Just for that, I'm excited for the show.
Calista Flockhart as Cat Grant was awesome in the trailer.
Personally I'd put it in the same weight class as Superman III: has some good intentions, is not without its charms, and arguably is a bit better than it gets a rep for, but still suffers from some glaring flaws and more than a little wasted potential. But maybe that's just me.
Enh... most film adaptations do. And often people will have different gripes about the same movie. :P
For me the most annoying thing was the question of where the Omegahedron came from. :P It's hinted at being a mystic artifact, but... why do Kryptonians have it? Also, the story of how it got lost and Zaltar got imprisoned for losing it was kinda feeble.
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Seriously, that looks terribad.
The IP matters far more then the race of secondary characters.
Probably because Supergirl would be an odd name for a Black male?
You are entitled to your opinion, and no one here is going to change that - especially since you love to debate forever. Suffice it to say that you are one of the few who seems to care that Jimmy Olsen is Black in the Supergirl series. The rest of us have no issues with it.
Anyway, I am done debating this with you. Feel free to get in the last word. From this point I am only gong to talk about Supergirl - and other upcoming supers series - in this thread.
No. It's not backward. The character is who they are. Ppl don't change ethnicity. If you want a black char in the role. Invent a new one. You don't TRIBBLE on lore for the sake of PC. Catwoman isn't black either. And when I saw that the creators cared that little about character lore that they'd ignore that little basic fact, I knew they'd not give a damn how schlock they made the rest of the movie. And it racked up the Razzies to prove it. Want a black character to rub your PC bone. Create one. you don't usurp an existing one.
jimmy Olsen.....................OMG..............Seriously no.........just no
Is JJ Abram's doing this ?
Saphire.. Science ground......Ko'el Romulan space Tac
Leva........Tactical ground.....Koj Romulan space Eng
JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
I dont like this at all.:(
Need I point out that the Ultimate Universe was a reinterpretation of the 616 universe, not a set of completely new characters? This Supergirl TV show is exactly the same; an interpretation of the Supergirl characters for 21st Century television, just as the Ultimate Universe was an interpretation of the Marvel Universe for 21st Century comics. There isn't a difference.
You're entitled to your opinion, and you don't have to justify them, but if you are going to justify them, do it logically.
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And the timeline in the TV show Supergirl is quite obviously not the timeline in the multiply-retconned DC Comics, so in this world, why shouldn't Jimmy (pardon me, James) be black? Perry White wasn't white in Man of Steel, and I don't remember this much fuss being kicked up then. (For that matter, the young lady trapped in the rubble of the Planet building? That was originally supposed to be the MoS version of the young intern - Janet Olsen. Ultimately, that part of the story was cut for time.)
Trailer shows a show that doesn't pander to the males who make the decisions, the males who 90% of all advertising is aimed at and the males who sit in on the meetings where they decide which shows stay and which shows get canned.
Like I said it looks fine to me -- but I doubt it'll last. Too bad really.
Helen Slater's also in this show, as for her role, it's unknown at the moment, plus Dean Cain's in it, again, with an unknown role. Just for that, I'm excited for the show.
Calista Flockhart as Cat Grant was awesome in the trailer.
For me the most annoying thing was the question of where the Omegahedron came from. :P It's hinted at being a mystic artifact, but... why do Kryptonians have it? Also, the story of how it got lost and Zaltar got imprisoned for losing it was kinda feeble.
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