I'm just not sure how y'all are having trouble reaching the mid-50s.
On my secondary account, I've got a Klink I really ought to get back to (except that I find the Cardassian storyline, which he's in the middle of, boring); I stopped playing him just after the timelost Dominion forces took DS9 and he had to go to the surface of Bajor. He had just hit 50, and between no level gain and little just plain enjoyment in the story, I let him sit there for a while. Assuming I take up with him again, he's probably going to be somewhere around upper 50s, possibly 60, before he ever even sees the Jenolan Sphere.
And the devs aren't going to answer your questions because that's a catch-22 for them. If they talk about what they'd like to do, there's a significant fraction of the playerbase that's going to take that as an iron-clad promise, then call them liars and freak out all over the forums when some of the plans fall through. If they talk about plans and the plans do work out, they're decried for "spoilers". If they don't talk about plans at all (the current default setting), folks just complain about not being told things, which at least remains consistent.
was there a point in all that related directly to the thread?
you make a small mention of a false premise which was on point and then go completely off the point to tell another person how they should run their own business which you have no business doing as there is a forum rulebook in place which everyone needs to follow. this makes your further opinion "irrelevant/unecessary".
Go ahead and quote where I did that. Where I told someone "how to run their own business". I can't wait to see you scramble to find it, since it isn't there
I'm just not sure how y'all are having trouble reaching the mid-50s.
Because nobody has those "troubles" ? ... the "trouble" is ~55 - ~60 ... Level Progression is exponentiell ... you need more XP from 59-60 than from 50-55 etc ...
On my secondary account, I've got a Klink I really ought to get back to (except that I find the Cardassian storyline, which he's in the middle of, boring); I stopped playing him just after the timelost Dominion forces took DS9 and he had to go to the surface of Bajor. He had just hit 50, and between no level gain and little just plain enjoyment in the story, I let him sit there for a while. Assuming I take up with him again, he's probably going to be somewhere around upper 50s, possibly 60, before he ever even sees the Jenolan Sphere.
Assuming you're only doing Story Content that's a big NOPE ... even ALL Story Episodes combined won't get you from 50-60 ... I've tried ... during Bonus XP Week ...
My Guess : "Of Bajor" - "Capture the Flag" = ~20 Missions = being stuck at 55 ...
Patch Notes : Resolved an Issue, where people would accidently experience Fun.
Go ahead and quote where I did that. Where I told someone "how to run their own business". I can't wait to see you scramble to find it, since it isn't there
why dont you point it out to me :P
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
This entire thread is based on a false premise: "we" are not asking this, *some* people are. So if your question is "why do *some* people ask stupid/irrelevant/unecessary questions on MMO forums"? Um, IDK, but it's been happening since the first MMO and will happen until the last MMO, and posting a thread about it won't change anything.
That said, it's important to remember that one person's stupid/irrelevant/unecessary question is another person's important/valid question. Therefore, before you think about moderating what other people should or should not ask, remember that it goes both ways. This thread is equally stupid/irrelevant/unecessary as it is important/valid, because each person has their own opinion on what those things are, and your opinion is no more right or wrong than anyone else's.
Why say making a thread wont change anything? Is that not how things get changed? By discussing them, via creating a thread?
Sorry people don't use grammar as properly as they should, or may seem confusing when looking at it from a limited point of view.
One issue i have with this place, is everyone wants to prove they are more superior, then the next guy, on a video game forums....yeah way to prove you know how to troll.
Seriously, people need to stop thinking they are forum moderators, by making statememnts like "making another thread, wont change anything".
I can't tell if you are trying to be funny or are serious. My point is, that stuff you said I said, about telling someone "how to run their business", isn't in my post. It's not there. So...you are wrong. Sorry!
I can't tell if you are trying to be funny or are serious. My point is, that stuff you said I said, about telling someone "how to run their business", isn't in my post. It's not there. So...you are wrong. Sorry!
you telling a person how their post is correct and not correct by stating how stupid/irelevant/unecessary it is. and your telling me that your not getting into their face in how they conduct themselves?
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Because in this specific case, it is something a thread *can't* change. There are some things a thread *can* change. Let's say, for example, that you do not like a certain mission, and you post a thread about how you would like to see it improved. While I'm not saying this is likely to happen, a dev might actually read your feedback and change that mission.
However, there are certain elements of human nature or behavior that simply won't change. The person who posted this thread seems to think that certain people's questions shouldn't be asked, because he personally doesn't think they are valid. That's fine; he is entitled to his opinion. But so are the people who *want* to ask those questions, and this thread isn't going to stop them from asking, nor should it. Everyone is entitled to ask anything they want as long as it is on topic and in line with the forum rules.
Because in this specific case, it is something a thread *can't* change. There are some things a thread *can* change. Let's say, for example, that you do not like a certain mission, and you post a thread about how you would like to see it improved. While I'm not saying this is likely to happen, a dev might actually read your feedback and change that mission.
However, there are certain elements of human nature or behavior that simply won't change. The person who posted this thread seems to think that certain people's questions shouldn't be asked, because he personally doesn't think they are valid. That's fine; he is entitled to his opinion. But so are the people who *want* to ask those questions, and this thread isn't going to stop them from asking, nor should it. Everyone is entitled to ask anything they want as long as it is on topic and in line with the forum rules.
Forgive me, aside from you two going BACK AND FORTH, i see a lot of discussion going on here. SO how is this thread useless?
Forgive me, aside from you two going BACK AND FORTH, i see a lot of discussion going on here. SO how is this thread useless?
I never said it was "useless", I said it won't change people asking stupid/unnecessary/irrelevant questions on the forum. Why? Because those terms are completely opinion based, and one person's "stupid" question is another person's "valid" question.
you telling a person how their post is correct and not correct by stating how stupid/irelevant/unecessary it is. and your telling me that your not getting into their face in how they conduct themselves?
You seem to have completely misunderstood what I said. And while I have my doubts you will understand on further explanation, I'll give it one try:
Valid
Relevant
Unnecessary
Stupid
Important
Irrelevant
All of those terms are opinion based. That means that you might think something is a "stupid" question, and I might think it is a "valid" question, or vice versa. And neither of us would be right or wrong.
Despite your false accusation, I did not tell the OP "how to run his business". What I did was point out the above fact, and how this thread is just as open to opinion about being "valid" or "stupid" as the threads he may not think are "valid", which drove him to post this thread in the first place.
If you still do not understand, I'm sorry, but no further explanation will likely help you at this point.
This thread is starting to get in a place where people are attacking each other - if you keep doing this, the thread will be closed and warnings will be issued!
This thread is starting to get in a place where people are attacking each other - if you keep doing this, the thread will be closed and warnings will be issued!
I completely agree, personal attacks are uncalled for. Let's hope they heed your warning, good Sir!
I don't think the game will end right once Season 10 hits, but I do not believe that STO will continue to be "active" for much longer. (By "active", I mean actively developed for. Champions still going, but that's a shell of a game; just people hanging around doing whatever, no real development or new additions happening).
Why?
They've built up this story for years and it seems to be coming to it's conclusion. Maybe not with S10, maybe 11 or 12.
STO is already 5 years old. Thats kind old. 7 years is it's max timespan, if I had to guess. Plus it goes along with (most) shows lasting 7 years.
The engine is giant kerfuffle. That's not even a fact that can be debated, we've heard it numerous times from the Devs that it's a copy pasta'd engine that was rushed to be adapted for STO's launch. Lots of legacy code that doens't work/can't be worked on/the Devs can't decipher, limitations on what the engine can do, etc.
We've seen more and more blatant "cash grabs", ranging from nerfing mechanics, only to put them right back into a lockbox for $$$, to outright replacing ships with "better" C-Store versions. Add to that Fleet T6 that requires you to buy the 'standard' T6 in order to get their traits.
Dwindling population. Nowhere near the population from LoR is still here, and I think most agree that DR snipped a good bit of players, too.
STO isn't really a "serious" game with intricate or detailed mechanics so much as a Space Barbie simulator with a Star Trek wrapper around it. The Devs appear to be catering to the casual crowd and the crowd that they can get to stick around for a bit, throw some cash down, and then move on.
Again, these are all just my person observations and by no means "SEE, LOOK AT THESE FACTS, THIS IS WHY DOOOOOM." I hope that Cryptic can get their act together and give us a solid game that's not centered around mindless grinding, waiting for a few FEs (now with timegated rewards), and then back to grinding... but, all of the past 5 years (FAWsmashing, outright insults and name-calling thrown out by the Devs themselves, deteriorating player experience) seem to indicate that.
I don't think the game will end right once Season 10 hits, but I do not believe that STO will continue to be "active" for much longer. (By "active", I mean actively developed for. Champions still going, but that's a shell of a game; just people hanging around doing whatever, no real development or new additions happening).
STO will be actively developed as long as people are spending enough money to justify that level of development. If Champs were making as much money as STO, it would be getting more development; sadly it is not. But the point remains, as long as the money is flowing in, the development continues.
I never said it was "useless", I said it won't change people asking stupid/unnecessary/irrelevant questions on the forum. Why? Because those terms are completely opinion based, and one person's "stupid" question is another person's "valid" question.
And you are who to say this? Seriously dude, just because it makes you feel "oh man, not another one of these threads".... make you right either.
I do see a lot of OMGERD the game is ending... Only because ******* veteran players, could not accept change, and left.
Everyone complained about Dinosaurs with Lazors, even i did...... Where does everyone go now, for dilithium? Have they Taken the dilithium away from that? Did they nerf a few things? sure, didn't make it so easy to get it... and it was ridiculously easy to get it...
They whined because cryptic nerfed a foundry glitch that got you, 1 mill dilithium on a toon, that took you 40 minutes to get from level 1 to 50...... People didnt like that going away, but they didnt realize every time someone exploited that glitch, it only TOOK AWAY from the game.
They ban MACRO users..... which is i dunno kinda stupid in my book, unless yer running one that is getting you 300,000 dilithium, every 5 minutes, or spamming a bot selling message.....
Right now, the game is in the hands of the players, and i dont think anybody should be told, what they can, or cannot say on the forums, unless it breaks the ToS, and you are a COMMUNITY moderator, and you HAVE that tag.
As limited as some peoples points of view can be, some people need to be smacked with reality....
This game is not going anywhere, besides into next season, and the season after that. Until cryptic desides, it is time to shut er down, and with the amount of NEGATIVITY coming from people who "think" they know everything, id shut it down based on that, because i would not want to deal with a community that is so abrasive.
I think someone put into perspective earlier when they said, those who dont like the game, are trolling the forums.....
those who do like the game, are not here, and are yeah, playing the game....
In the end, this is not a democracy here, in the forums. It is Authoritarian, as the COMMUNITY MODERATORS allow it to be. The Community Moderators need to realize that, and stop listening to whiners.
Until then, people who actually support the game, won't be in numbers here, because of the amount of TROLLING by certain OBVIOUS groups. Giving the forums a "semi" dead, or dying feeling.
You'll see more positive support, when it comes from the community, when you bring it to that level. And the community, and the game, will show its true colors. Whether they are good, or bad.
Until then, EVERYONE not working for cryptic, and seeing the numbers THEY see, can only speculate. Even if its some juicy information from IQ fleet, or some similar level of "thing" i guess.
And you are who to say this? Seriously dude, just because it makes you feel "oh man, not another one of these threads".... make you right either.
Oh, I am definitely right about what I said, which is that different people have different opinions about things. Beyond that, I'm not claiming to be any more "right" or "wrong" than anyone else.
STO will be actively developed as long as people are spending enough money to justify that level of development. If Champs were making as much money as STO, it would be getting more development; sadly it is not. But the point remains, as long as the money is flowing in, the development continues.
True. And despite what anyone else wants to say or think, that is what is going to determine when the game "ends."
I'm just wondering if the increasing monetization is because they know they can get away with it and people will keep spending, or because people AREN'T spending and they're attempting to give them more options and avenues to spend.
STO will be actively developed as long as people are spending enough money to justify that level of development. If Champs were making as much money as STO, it would be getting more development; sadly it is not. But the point remains, as long as the money is flowing in, the development continues.
So much this. Also, it would be stupid of Cryptic and PWE to not milk the Star Trek 50th Anniversary happening next year for all they can. So we will get to at least Season 12 before Cryptic will even consider stopping. I would not be surprised if we get another expansion that launches on September 8, 2016 which just so happens to land on a Thursday. We did celebrate the TNG 25th Anniversary in July 2012. Not sure why it was not in September.
There are certain factors that will lead up to STO's closure like licensing issues (SWG) or executives (City of Heroes), but it will not be due to STO getting to a certain point. The Iconian War will not last for only one season and we still have to deal with the aftermath. Besides, we still have to go to the Gamma Quadrant and Andromeda Galaxy.
True. And despite what anyone else wants to say or think, that is what is going to determine when the game "ends."
I'm just wondering if the increasing monetization is because they know they can get away with it and people will keep spending, or because people AREN'T spending and they're attempting to give them more options and avenues to spend.
Well, i dont know, cryptic made it pretty obvious, how NOT to spend money on the game. All a fleet needed to do was stick together and reach tier 5. And then everyones assets were absolutly thiers to do with whatever they wanted, no encourgement from a guild leader to fill this project or that etc....
I guess, a lot have, done just that. ive turned on fleet names above peoples heads, and googled thier fleet names, based on fleets who have more then 1 member on ESD or any given starbase when i go to it. Whether they are active, i don't know, but a lot have made it to tier 5. I could just wiki it, but that thing is so out of date, Our Science tier 5 has been done for over a year almost lol.... the wiki says ours is not done.
Cryptic can still do a lot of things, and these dilithium Fleet only, Rep only vouchers proved that to me. They could add those alone as rewards to PVP, making it "worth" doing again. Although you will have premades poaching smaller fleets. Those rewards would, ENCOURAGE a fleet or group of players to pvp together. All i would need to see personally, is more maps.
Most of us are aware PVP sucks because there is no BENEFIT from doing it, aside from feeling good about yourself. We are also aware, that the code is screwed up, so bad, pvp cannot be fixed, as it should/could be, if the code was less of a cluster.
Cryptic could do a LOT more cash grabs if they wanted to. You do NOT change a system that WORKS, as this, inevitably is a BUISNESS, that SUPPORTS jobs. And it DOES work...albiet not as well as it COULD.
The potential WAS there. The Infighting from the higher ups, and past emplyees and what not, in the end may have RUINED what "could have been".
1) Defera Incursion could be updated with all of the time people have spent doing the Missions there. (like another MMO that shall not be named did).
2) The Borg incursion of Vega needs to be addressed. Bog sitting in one spot for what 18 months (current time table presented with Delta Recruits)
3) The Revamp of the Cardassian Story Arc (really hope it is done for summer/fall time).
4) Expanding the Breen Story Arc. It's a nice little story line but there could be more on the horizon for the Breen.
5) Gamma Quandrant. One idea is (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Hur%27q) Now I know it says that they are dead but so were the Iconians for a long time. Also the Dominion of course.
6) More Delta Quandrant, remember Voyager cut an almost straight line heading home there could be so much more to do out there.
7) The Dyson Spehere jumped from the Andromeda Galaxy so we could end up going there.
8) A new Mirror Universe Arc could be added, maybe something to do with the Iconians. Like they also invade the Mirror Universe while fighting us.
9) Maybe an real start to the Temporal Cold War. (Sphere Builders)
I'm probably missing some other things that are out there like a sore thumb but hey.
The game is gonna end the same way the Mayan Calendar predicted the world was going to end in 2012 or the Klingon culture/Empire was going to end with the Khitomer Accords: Just because a chapter/cycle is over doesn't mean there is nothing afterwards.
And as mentioned, there are still several possible arc to be expanded or used, like:
-The RSE and the Tal Shiar's remnants in the future
-Taris' arc. What? You seriously believe the Iconians freed her just so they can let her entertain them by begging to save Romulus? (granted, it's possible they used her just to make sure the Alliance would try and capture her, leading them into the Andromeda Sphere, just to have an excuse to start the invasion)
-The Preservers' fate and interactions with their "children"
-Sela's fate and proper execu... err, I mean, trial
-Donatra's fate
-More interactions with the Enterprise
-The Gorn rebellion
-The future of the Alliance (to see if J'mpok will go back to being a jerk towards the Federation and the Republic)
-Saving other Enterprises and trolling the temporal agencies
-Going back in time and preventing the Ferengi from inventing lockboxes.
Well if you need proof this game can go on forever how about we introduce these villians:
Typon Pact: The Tholians, Breen and the remaining non Republic Romulans forming a united force?
Pirates and Slavers: After the Iconians get done with their plans we could be seeing a rash of piracy for resources, who says any one goverment has to be a bad guy?
Gamma Quadrant Species, not even the SHOWS touched the Gamma Quadrant very much.
The Voth Return: Other than the Dyson Sphere the Voth haven't had jack squat in the sunlight as a villian.
Viidiians: Hannibal Lecter's very own species.
Fringe Groups in our respective goverments: every society has home grown psychopaths and terrorists.
The Xindi come back
The Borg get an upgrade and are out to their own habits with a KING this time instead of a Queen. (make it Hugh if you want to be a shocking twist)
A Council of Rogue Captains from the Factions that WANT war over peace. Kind of like the Court of Owls from DC comics.
Mirror Universe exploration.
Criminal Underworld, and being an undercover agent.
Turn the Republic back into an Empire like the REAL Roman Empire (PLEASE DO THAT ONE)
I could go on forever. That is beauty of Star Trek compared to other franchises, endless possiblites like space itself.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] "This planet smells, it must be the Klingons"
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Typhon Pact would be questionable due to its origins in the books. It took a long time to get the Vesta in game.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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I wonder if people have not seen the little Extras that were thrown in with the Delta recruits. The Time Portal? The Prophets? The Iconians Information, as they are not the only nasty race from that era as I remember one of many The Iconians got a beating.
There is lots of potential in a few seasons based around the Iconian war. Will we get an Andromeda Galaxy map to hunt them down as we expelled them from our galaxy?
Remember Its all about the Heralds this season I see nothing about fighting Iconian's themselves :cool:
Everytime I see complaints about the same thing
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Remember Its all about the Heralds this season I see nothing about fighting Iconian's themselves :cool:
You haven't been on Tribble recently, then, because it's all about Iconians, the new loading screen text makes it look like this is the ultimate battle: "Engage the Iconians in the climatic battle for the fate of the galaxy!" and it's not counting the ~20 propaganda posters in said loading screens.
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On my secondary account, I've got a Klink I really ought to get back to (except that I find the Cardassian storyline, which he's in the middle of, boring); I stopped playing him just after the timelost Dominion forces took DS9 and he had to go to the surface of Bajor. He had just hit 50, and between no level gain and little just plain enjoyment in the story, I let him sit there for a while. Assuming I take up with him again, he's probably going to be somewhere around upper 50s, possibly 60, before he ever even sees the Jenolan Sphere.
And the devs aren't going to answer your questions because that's a catch-22 for them. If they talk about what they'd like to do, there's a significant fraction of the playerbase that's going to take that as an iron-clad promise, then call them liars and freak out all over the forums when some of the plans fall through. If they talk about plans and the plans do work out, they're decried for "spoilers". If they don't talk about plans at all (the current default setting), folks just complain about not being told things, which at least remains consistent.
dont need to write anything, answer is already there, just applied further along.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Go ahead and quote where I did that. Where I told someone "how to run their own business". I can't wait to see you scramble to find it, since it isn't there
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Because nobody has those "troubles" ? ... the "trouble" is ~55 - ~60 ... Level Progression is exponentiell ... you need more XP from 59-60 than from 50-55 etc ...
Assuming you're only doing Story Content that's a big NOPE ... even ALL Story Episodes combined won't get you from 50-60 ... I've tried ... during Bonus XP Week ...
My Guess : "Of Bajor" - "Capture the Flag" = ~20 Missions = being stuck at 55 ...
why dont you point it out to me :P
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Ok fine. It was right after the 2nd paragraph in my post. It was the stuff I didn't actually say. Do you see it now?
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
how non specific...
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Why say making a thread wont change anything? Is that not how things get changed? By discussing them, via creating a thread?
Sorry people don't use grammar as properly as they should, or may seem confusing when looking at it from a limited point of view.
One issue i have with this place, is everyone wants to prove they are more superior, then the next guy, on a video game forums....yeah way to prove you know how to troll.
Seriously, people need to stop thinking they are forum moderators, by making statememnts like "making another thread, wont change anything".
To hell it won't, i say.
I can't tell if you are trying to be funny or are serious. My point is, that stuff you said I said, about telling someone "how to run their business", isn't in my post. It's not there. So...you are wrong. Sorry!
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
you telling a person how their post is correct and not correct by stating how stupid/irelevant/unecessary it is. and your telling me that your not getting into their face in how they conduct themselves?
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
Because in this specific case, it is something a thread *can't* change. There are some things a thread *can* change. Let's say, for example, that you do not like a certain mission, and you post a thread about how you would like to see it improved. While I'm not saying this is likely to happen, a dev might actually read your feedback and change that mission.
However, there are certain elements of human nature or behavior that simply won't change. The person who posted this thread seems to think that certain people's questions shouldn't be asked, because he personally doesn't think they are valid. That's fine; he is entitled to his opinion. But so are the people who *want* to ask those questions, and this thread isn't going to stop them from asking, nor should it. Everyone is entitled to ask anything they want as long as it is on topic and in line with the forum rules.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Forgive me, aside from you two going BACK AND FORTH, i see a lot of discussion going on here. SO how is this thread useless?
I never said it was "useless", I said it won't change people asking stupid/unnecessary/irrelevant questions on the forum. Why? Because those terms are completely opinion based, and one person's "stupid" question is another person's "valid" question.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
You seem to have completely misunderstood what I said. And while I have my doubts you will understand on further explanation, I'll give it one try:
All of those terms are opinion based. That means that you might think something is a "stupid" question, and I might think it is a "valid" question, or vice versa. And neither of us would be right or wrong.
Despite your false accusation, I did not tell the OP "how to run his business". What I did was point out the above fact, and how this thread is just as open to opinion about being "valid" or "stupid" as the threads he may not think are "valid", which drove him to post this thread in the first place.
If you still do not understand, I'm sorry, but no further explanation will likely help you at this point.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
I completely agree, personal attacks are uncalled for. Let's hope they heed your warning, good Sir!
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
Why?
Again, these are all just my person observations and by no means "SEE, LOOK AT THESE FACTS, THIS IS WHY DOOOOOM." I hope that Cryptic can get their act together and give us a solid game that's not centered around mindless grinding, waiting for a few FEs (now with timegated rewards), and then back to grinding... but, all of the past 5 years (FAWsmashing, outright insults and name-calling thrown out by the Devs themselves, deteriorating player experience) seem to indicate that.
STO will be actively developed as long as people are spending enough money to justify that level of development. If Champs were making as much money as STO, it would be getting more development; sadly it is not. But the point remains, as long as the money is flowing in, the development continues.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
And you are who to say this? Seriously dude, just because it makes you feel "oh man, not another one of these threads".... make you right either.
I do see a lot of OMGERD the game is ending... Only because ******* veteran players, could not accept change, and left.
Everyone complained about Dinosaurs with Lazors, even i did...... Where does everyone go now, for dilithium? Have they Taken the dilithium away from that? Did they nerf a few things? sure, didn't make it so easy to get it... and it was ridiculously easy to get it...
They whined because cryptic nerfed a foundry glitch that got you, 1 mill dilithium on a toon, that took you 40 minutes to get from level 1 to 50...... People didnt like that going away, but they didnt realize every time someone exploited that glitch, it only TOOK AWAY from the game.
They ban MACRO users..... which is i dunno kinda stupid in my book, unless yer running one that is getting you 300,000 dilithium, every 5 minutes, or spamming a bot selling message.....
Right now, the game is in the hands of the players, and i dont think anybody should be told, what they can, or cannot say on the forums, unless it breaks the ToS, and you are a COMMUNITY moderator, and you HAVE that tag.
As limited as some peoples points of view can be, some people need to be smacked with reality....
This game is not going anywhere, besides into next season, and the season after that. Until cryptic desides, it is time to shut er down, and with the amount of NEGATIVITY coming from people who "think" they know everything, id shut it down based on that, because i would not want to deal with a community that is so abrasive.
I think someone put into perspective earlier when they said, those who dont like the game, are trolling the forums.....
those who do like the game, are not here, and are yeah, playing the game....
In the end, this is not a democracy here, in the forums. It is Authoritarian, as the COMMUNITY MODERATORS allow it to be. The Community Moderators need to realize that, and stop listening to whiners.
Until then, people who actually support the game, won't be in numbers here, because of the amount of TROLLING by certain OBVIOUS groups. Giving the forums a "semi" dead, or dying feeling.
You'll see more positive support, when it comes from the community, when you bring it to that level. And the community, and the game, will show its true colors. Whether they are good, or bad.
Until then, EVERYONE not working for cryptic, and seeing the numbers THEY see, can only speculate. Even if its some juicy information from IQ fleet, or some similar level of "thing" i guess.
Oh, I am definitely right about what I said, which is that different people have different opinions about things. Beyond that, I'm not claiming to be any more "right" or "wrong" than anyone else.
The-Grand-Nagus
Join Date: Sep 2008
True. And despite what anyone else wants to say or think, that is what is going to determine when the game "ends."
I'm just wondering if the increasing monetization is because they know they can get away with it and people will keep spending, or because people AREN'T spending and they're attempting to give them more options and avenues to spend.
So much this. Also, it would be stupid of Cryptic and PWE to not milk the Star Trek 50th Anniversary happening next year for all they can. So we will get to at least Season 12 before Cryptic will even consider stopping. I would not be surprised if we get another expansion that launches on September 8, 2016 which just so happens to land on a Thursday. We did celebrate the TNG 25th Anniversary in July 2012. Not sure why it was not in September.
There are certain factors that will lead up to STO's closure like licensing issues (SWG) or executives (City of Heroes), but it will not be due to STO getting to a certain point. The Iconian War will not last for only one season and we still have to deal with the aftermath. Besides, we still have to go to the Gamma Quadrant and Andromeda Galaxy.
Well, i dont know, cryptic made it pretty obvious, how NOT to spend money on the game. All a fleet needed to do was stick together and reach tier 5. And then everyones assets were absolutly thiers to do with whatever they wanted, no encourgement from a guild leader to fill this project or that etc....
I guess, a lot have, done just that. ive turned on fleet names above peoples heads, and googled thier fleet names, based on fleets who have more then 1 member on ESD or any given starbase when i go to it. Whether they are active, i don't know, but a lot have made it to tier 5. I could just wiki it, but that thing is so out of date, Our Science tier 5 has been done for over a year almost lol.... the wiki says ours is not done.
Cryptic can still do a lot of things, and these dilithium Fleet only, Rep only vouchers proved that to me. They could add those alone as rewards to PVP, making it "worth" doing again. Although you will have premades poaching smaller fleets. Those rewards would, ENCOURAGE a fleet or group of players to pvp together. All i would need to see personally, is more maps.
Most of us are aware PVP sucks because there is no BENEFIT from doing it, aside from feeling good about yourself. We are also aware, that the code is screwed up, so bad, pvp cannot be fixed, as it should/could be, if the code was less of a cluster.
Cryptic could do a LOT more cash grabs if they wanted to. You do NOT change a system that WORKS, as this, inevitably is a BUISNESS, that SUPPORTS jobs. And it DOES work...albiet not as well as it COULD.
The potential WAS there. The Infighting from the higher ups, and past emplyees and what not, in the end may have RUINED what "could have been".
These things happen.
Now lets look at what could come.
1) Defera Incursion could be updated with all of the time people have spent doing the Missions there. (like another MMO that shall not be named did).
2) The Borg incursion of Vega needs to be addressed. Bog sitting in one spot for what 18 months (current time table presented with Delta Recruits)
3) The Revamp of the Cardassian Story Arc (really hope it is done for summer/fall time).
4) Expanding the Breen Story Arc. It's a nice little story line but there could be more on the horizon for the Breen.
5) Gamma Quandrant. One idea is (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Hur%27q) Now I know it says that they are dead but so were the Iconians for a long time. Also the Dominion of course.
6) More Delta Quandrant, remember Voyager cut an almost straight line heading home there could be so much more to do out there.
7) The Dyson Spehere jumped from the Andromeda Galaxy so we could end up going there.
8) A new Mirror Universe Arc could be added, maybe something to do with the Iconians. Like they also invade the Mirror Universe while fighting us.
9) Maybe an real start to the Temporal Cold War. (Sphere Builders)
I'm probably missing some other things that are out there like a sore thumb but hey.
And as mentioned, there are still several possible arc to be expanded or used, like:
-The RSE and the Tal Shiar's remnants in the future
-Taris' arc. What? You seriously believe the Iconians freed her just so they can let her entertain them by begging to save Romulus? (granted, it's possible they used her just to make sure the Alliance would try and capture her, leading them into the Andromeda Sphere, just to have an excuse to start the invasion)
-The Preservers' fate and interactions with their "children"
-Sela's fate and proper execu... err, I mean, trial
-Donatra's fate
-More interactions with the Enterprise
-The Gorn rebellion
-The future of the Alliance (to see if J'mpok will go back to being a jerk towards the Federation and the Republic)
-Saving other Enterprises and trolling the temporal agencies
-Going back in time and preventing the Ferengi from inventing lockboxes.
Typon Pact: The Tholians, Breen and the remaining non Republic Romulans forming a united force?
Pirates and Slavers: After the Iconians get done with their plans we could be seeing a rash of piracy for resources, who says any one goverment has to be a bad guy?
Gamma Quadrant Species, not even the SHOWS touched the Gamma Quadrant very much.
The Voth Return: Other than the Dyson Sphere the Voth haven't had jack squat in the sunlight as a villian.
Viidiians: Hannibal Lecter's very own species.
Fringe Groups in our respective goverments: every society has home grown psychopaths and terrorists.
The Xindi come back
The Borg get an upgrade and are out to their own habits with a KING this time instead of a Queen. (make it Hugh if you want to be a shocking twist)
A Council of Rogue Captains from the Factions that WANT war over peace. Kind of like the Court of Owls from DC comics.
Mirror Universe exploration.
Criminal Underworld, and being an undercover agent.
Turn the Republic back into an Empire like the REAL Roman Empire (PLEASE DO THAT ONE)
I could go on forever. That is beauty of Star Trek compared to other franchises, endless possiblites like space itself.
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There is lots of potential in a few seasons based around the Iconian war. Will we get an Andromeda Galaxy map to hunt them down as we expelled them from our galaxy?
Remember Its all about the Heralds this season I see nothing about fighting Iconian's themselves :cool:
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