Am I the only one that thinks this isn't really a big deal?
No. I'm right there with you.
The way I saw it, Tier 1 was the goal. Tier 2 was the first stretch goal. Tier 3 was the next. Nobody failed, and nobody lost anything. We all--everyone in the game--gained a week of double SP that we didn't have before, and exceeded the goal set before us.
Am I a little disappointed that we got so close to Tier 3 but fell short? A wee bit, but no more than I would be if I funded a successful kickstarter project that didn't happen to reach a later stretch goal--probably less, actually, since ultimately this is really just for fun.
For the people who are leveling criticism at Cryptic because the players came close to but didn't reach this stretch goal, I have to ask: are your expectations truly reasonable? The week of bonus SP wasn't a free gift. It wasn't something you paid for and were entitled to. It was something to be earned, with stretch goals for going above and beyond. Complaining that Cryptic should never have created a reward that we weren't guaranteed to get is essentially saying that it should've just been given to us no matter what we did.
Every person who completed even one mission on a Delta Recruit contributed to this victory. And everyone reaps the same benefits in the form of the one thing that virtually everyone past level 50 desperately wants: more skill points.
To me, there is absolutely no part of this that is a failure.
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I'm not really worried about reaching T3 this week, but am I the only one who worries about the next weeks..?
I mean everyone seems to be rushing their delta characters to lvl 50, but what happens when everyone has one, maybe 2 deltas..? If that 's combined with the fact we can't reach T3 in the first week, it makes me fear we may not even be able to reach the T2 reward in 2 weeks, maybe not even T1 during the final week..
I'm not really worried about reaching T3 this week, but am I the only one who worries about the next weeks..?
I mean everyone seems to be rushing their delta characters to lvl 50, but what happens when everyone has one, maybe 2 deltas..? If that 's combined with the fact we can't reach T3 in the first week, it makes me fear we may not even be able to reach the T2 reward in 2 weeks, maybe not even T1 during the final week..
It will probably be a different type of requirement. Not the first run again. And may not even be a xp boost reward. That was all just for this week.
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I'm not really worried about reaching T3 this week, but am I the only one who worries about the next weeks..?
I mean everyone seems to be rushing their delta characters to lvl 50, but what happens when everyone has one, maybe 2 deltas..? If that 's combined with the fact we can't reach T3 in the first week, it makes me fear we may not even be able to reach the T2 reward in 2 weeks, maybe not even T1 during the final week..
don't know what next weeks task will be yet so....
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
This is not true. Double xp is the ordinary standard for xp events, and given the normal period of time between xp events, it's the normal time to have one.
Getting something better than 2x would have been extra.
This is a 5 week event, NOT a weekend event. By your statement alone, you validated my point.
The main thing that I think alot of people are missing about this, is the Temporal story line. I'm more interested in that, than the extra XP. My Delta Recruit is a 'clone' of my main...(a bit of RPG vanity I know).
However, regardless of all that, I've earned a ton of rewards that I wouldn't have got 6 weeks ago, again validating my point. People have been literally handed alot, and I mean a huge load of free things, yet they complain it's not enough. So as I said 'Generation Entitlement'.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Periodic double Xp events are a normal part of the game, and it's time for one.
Getting less than the normal 2x would have been getting shorted, getting the standard ordinary 2x is just what's normal and to be expected, getting more than 2x would be a reward, something special.
Wow. I mean... just wow. This post reeks of the very sense of entitlement that some of us are calling out here. The lack of self-awareness here is just stunning in its purity.
I don't think there is anything further I can add to the quoted text that could make it sound any worse than it already does.
Fleet Admiral L'Yern - Screenshot and doffing addict
Eclipse Class Intel Cruiser U.S.S. Dioscuria NX-91121-A - Interactive Crew Roster
I don't follow. Getting less than 2x Xp during a scheduled xp bonus week, which this definitely is, would be getting less than normal. Getting 2x would be normal, getting more than 2x would be something extra or special.
This is not a Double XP Event. This is a Delta Recruit Event which pays out very specific rewards for doing the Event - like earning Dilithium doing the CE Event.
The tiered XP rewards were an added bonus to the Event, not the purpose of the Event. Adding the XP bonuses was them doing something "special" for the players beyond just the Event rewards. It is the overly-entitled who cannot seem to see that.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I don't follow. Getting less than 2x Xp during a scheduled xp bonus week, which this definitely is, would be getting less than normal. Getting 2x would be normal, getting more than 2x would be something extra or special.
A good way to build good will to to go beyond the usual, to do something special for someone, to delight somone with something nice and unexpected. The bonus xp thing looked like that. I for one was delighted.
But, apparently the number they chose for how many missions had to be done by everyone was not a number that would be reached. So, the delight turns to disappointment. Sure would have been nice if they'd picked a number that would be reached, don't you agree?
Nope. It was probably reachable, but couldn't be achieved because of those that stopped doing the missions, or just concentrated on levelling, as has been mentioned by numerous players, because they weren't being given things either quick enough or because they wanted even more than what was being given! And why should they give any indication of what the actual number was? You couldn't affect the outcome, only the total number of players doing the missions could, and since the vast majority of players never read up, that number becomes totally irrelevant when they haven't a clue what it means.
Also, you're only looking at the XP reward....why?? You also seem to mistake a 5 week event for a 4 day, once every 2 month, event! Did you forget about the extra Dil, Mark, Equipment etc?
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Got my Fed recruit to 50 by skipping that TRIBBLE arc Cardassian Struggle and went straight to the Borg. And we are at 84%.
For those asking for Cryptic to give tier 3 anyway, because of the bugs, Cryptic would be nice to give it if we got like 95% or so. But that would not be required of them to do. Just nice but don't expect it.
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I don't follow. Getting less than 2x Xp during a scheduled xp bonus week, which this definitely is, would be getting less than normal. Getting 2x would be normal, getting more than 2x would be something extra or special.
Stop there.
This is not a scheduled bonus XP week.
I repeat, this is not a scheduled bonus XP week.
Everything that follows from that mistaken premise is null--without any value whatsoever.
The fact is that we are not entitled to bonus XP. If we were entitled to it, it wouldn't be a bonus. If we were entitled to it, we wouldn't have to do anything to earn it.
I mean, do you not actually understand what a "bonus" is? Do you not actually understand what you sound like when you express disappointment with a 2x XP bonus that you weren't otherwise going to get this week, and say that it would've had to be a -bigger- bonus in order to be considered special?
Your sense of entitlement is what is driving your unhappiness here. You set yourself up for failure by creating unreasonable expectations of getting something you were not promised and were not entitled to, and then you become unhappy when those unreasonable expectations are not met because the reward you were given wasn't enough to satisfy you.
Fleet Admiral L'Yern - Screenshot and doffing addict
Eclipse Class Intel Cruiser U.S.S. Dioscuria NX-91121-A - Interactive Crew Roster
Describing something a different way doesn't make it a different thing.
No, he is 100% right. You are wrong. This is NOT a normal event. This is an event with BONUS XP and BONUS rewards which we would NOT normally receive!!!
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Well, if someone on the Internet says so then it must be true.
Pro tip: pretty much anyone reading this entire exchange has noticed by now that you've repeatedly refused to explain why a "bonus" is something you're entitled to, or why you think a reward that you're told you have to earn is something that should be given to you regardless of whether or not you do what is necessary to earn it.
Have fun going through life being regularly disappointed by your misplaced sense of entitlement. It will make you a very unhappy person every time your expectations collide with reality, as they have here.
Fleet Admiral L'Yern - Screenshot and doffing addict
Eclipse Class Intel Cruiser U.S.S. Dioscuria NX-91121-A - Interactive Crew Roster
Because I'm wondering why the Vault has over 21,000 XP as the rewad instead of the usual over 7,000.
Might also explain why I got two levels from Doff assignments.
6PM GMT is when it becomes active.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Well, if someone on the Internet says so then it must be true.
Pro tip: pretty much anyone reading this entire exchange has noticed by now that you've repeatedly refused to explain why a "bonus" is something you're entitled to, or why you think a reward that you're told you have to earn is something that should be given to you regardless of whether or not you do what is necessary to earn it.
Have fun going through life being regularly disappointed by your misplaced sense of entitlement. It will make you a very unhappy person every time your expectations collide with reality, as they have here.
He's probably one of the angry crowd that would normally hack the game or mod it to give themselves everything they want! Lol.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
This isn't true though is it? Normally we would receive double xp for a week in the run up to a new spec tree. Normally it would be on the calendar, this time it's still happening, it just wasn't given its own separate entry on the calendar.
Describing it with different words doesn't make it a different thing.
This is a COMPLETELY different event that is NOT a normally scheduled thing and we've never had a week long XP event introducing a new Spec tree. XP events leading upto a new spec tree are 4 days NOT 5 WEEKS! How many times do we have to explain this to you!? 5 Weeks of BONUS XP and EXTRA rewards on top DOES NOT EQUAL a 4 day XP weekend event!!!!!
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
There is also a difference in saying they picked a goal "we did not achieve" and a goal "we could not achieve".
Being just 20% off says to me it could very well have been achieved, if...!!
We just did not go that tiny bit further.
I don't know if it was this thread or the other. But I explained that "deserve" never enters into it.
Sure, normally we are given the gift of a double xp event periodically, and before a new spec tree comes out.
It was also explained that it's nice to do something nice and unexpected for others. Going beyond the norm is a delight. I for one was delighted at the prospect of a special bonus xp thing. But, my delight has turned to disappointment, since they devs chose to pick a number higher than we would reach.
It's their choice you see, whether or not to give the gift. It has nothing to do with entitlement or deserving.
Now, if they want, they can choose to give the gift still. They can say "we are glad you're all enjoying delta recruit, we had some bugs, who's to say if we hadn't, things would be different, let's call it close enough, enjoy!"
Or, they can just stick with whatever number they chose, and say "sorry, we chose a number and you didn't reach it."
I'm not an expert on public relations but I do have a background in free to play online game design and management, and I'm a normal human being. So, I have my own ideas on which choice would be better for everyone. You might disagree, and that's fine, it's a free country!
No, no, no, no, no!!!
You may think that your 'Oliver' "Please sir, can I have some more", but you're not. You're "I want it all or I'll make myself sick, sick, sick"!
You really believe that you are entitled to more than the 2 x XP bonus. You're not.
You still don't get the grasp of 'Effort=Reward'.
You still refuse to see that you are getting BONUS XP, BONUS Dil, BONUS EC, BONUS Equipment, BONUS Marks on top of whatever other BONUS things they plan to giveaway!!
This is not normal for this game.....this IS special.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
There is also a difference in saying they picked a goal "we did not achieve" and a goal "we could not achieve".
Being just 20% off says to me it could very well have been achieved, if...!!
We just did not go that tiny bit further.
Exactly...certain people blame the company for their 'lack of effort'....as always.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
People don't want to take responciblity for things.
Everywhere I look, people are screaming about how bad Cryptic is.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
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The way I saw it, Tier 1 was the goal. Tier 2 was the first stretch goal. Tier 3 was the next. Nobody failed, and nobody lost anything. We all--everyone in the game--gained a week of double SP that we didn't have before, and exceeded the goal set before us.
Am I a little disappointed that we got so close to Tier 3 but fell short? A wee bit, but no more than I would be if I funded a successful kickstarter project that didn't happen to reach a later stretch goal--probably less, actually, since ultimately this is really just for fun.
For the people who are leveling criticism at Cryptic because the players came close to but didn't reach this stretch goal, I have to ask: are your expectations truly reasonable? The week of bonus SP wasn't a free gift. It wasn't something you paid for and were entitled to. It was something to be earned, with stretch goals for going above and beyond. Complaining that Cryptic should never have created a reward that we weren't guaranteed to get is essentially saying that it should've just been given to us no matter what we did.
Every person who completed even one mission on a Delta Recruit contributed to this victory. And everyone reaps the same benefits in the form of the one thing that virtually everyone past level 50 desperately wants: more skill points.
To me, there is absolutely no part of this that is a failure.
Eclipse Class Intel Cruiser U.S.S. Dioscuria NX-91121-A - Interactive Crew Roster
I mean everyone seems to be rushing their delta characters to lvl 50, but what happens when everyone has one, maybe 2 deltas..? If that 's combined with the fact we can't reach T3 in the first week, it makes me fear we may not even be able to reach the T2 reward in 2 weeks, maybe not even T1 during the final week..
It will probably be a different type of requirement. Not the first run again. And may not even be a xp boost reward. That was all just for this week.
Lifetime no longer gives a forum title. That should be updated on the Lifetime page that mentions what you get. PMing the CSR doesn't work neither.
don't know what next weeks task will be yet so....
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
This is a 5 week event, NOT a weekend event. By your statement alone, you validated my point.
The main thing that I think alot of people are missing about this, is the Temporal story line. I'm more interested in that, than the extra XP. My Delta Recruit is a 'clone' of my main...(a bit of RPG vanity I know).
However, regardless of all that, I've earned a ton of rewards that I wouldn't have got 6 weeks ago, again validating my point. People have been literally handed alot, and I mean a huge load of free things, yet they complain it's not enough. So as I said 'Generation Entitlement'.
I don't think there is anything further I can add to the quoted text that could make it sound any worse than it already does.
Eclipse Class Intel Cruiser U.S.S. Dioscuria NX-91121-A - Interactive Crew Roster
The tiered XP rewards were an added bonus to the Event, not the purpose of the Event. Adding the XP bonuses was them doing something "special" for the players beyond just the Event rewards. It is the overly-entitled who cannot seem to see that.
Nope. It was probably reachable, but couldn't be achieved because of those that stopped doing the missions, or just concentrated on levelling, as has been mentioned by numerous players, because they weren't being given things either quick enough or because they wanted even more than what was being given! And why should they give any indication of what the actual number was? You couldn't affect the outcome, only the total number of players doing the missions could, and since the vast majority of players never read up, that number becomes totally irrelevant when they haven't a clue what it means.
Also, you're only looking at the XP reward....why?? You also seem to mistake a 5 week event for a 4 day, once every 2 month, event! Did you forget about the extra Dil, Mark, Equipment etc?
For those asking for Cryptic to give tier 3 anyway, because of the bugs, Cryptic would be nice to give it if we got like 95% or so. But that would not be required of them to do. Just nice but don't expect it.
Lifetime no longer gives a forum title. That should be updated on the Lifetime page that mentions what you get. PMing the CSR doesn't work neither.
This is not a scheduled bonus XP week.
I repeat, this is not a scheduled bonus XP week.
Everything that follows from that mistaken premise is null--without any value whatsoever.
The fact is that we are not entitled to bonus XP. If we were entitled to it, it wouldn't be a bonus. If we were entitled to it, we wouldn't have to do anything to earn it.
I mean, do you not actually understand what a "bonus" is? Do you not actually understand what you sound like when you express disappointment with a 2x XP bonus that you weren't otherwise going to get this week, and say that it would've had to be a -bigger- bonus in order to be considered special?
Your sense of entitlement is what is driving your unhappiness here. You set yourself up for failure by creating unreasonable expectations of getting something you were not promised and were not entitled to, and then you become unhappy when those unreasonable expectations are not met because the reward you were given wasn't enough to satisfy you.
Eclipse Class Intel Cruiser U.S.S. Dioscuria NX-91121-A - Interactive Crew Roster
No, he is 100% right. You are wrong. This is NOT a normal event. This is an event with BONUS XP and BONUS rewards which we would NOT normally receive!!!
Because I'm wondering why the Vault has over 21,000 XP as the rewad instead of the usual over 7,000.
Might also explain why I got two levels from Doff assignments.
Pro tip: pretty much anyone reading this entire exchange has noticed by now that you've repeatedly refused to explain why a "bonus" is something you're entitled to, or why you think a reward that you're told you have to earn is something that should be given to you regardless of whether or not you do what is necessary to earn it.
Have fun going through life being regularly disappointed by your misplaced sense of entitlement. It will make you a very unhappy person every time your expectations collide with reality, as they have here.
Eclipse Class Intel Cruiser U.S.S. Dioscuria NX-91121-A - Interactive Crew Roster
6PM GMT is when it becomes active.
He's probably one of the angry crowd that would normally hack the game or mod it to give themselves everything they want! Lol.
This is a COMPLETELY different event that is NOT a normally scheduled thing and we've never had a week long XP event introducing a new Spec tree. XP events leading upto a new spec tree are 4 days NOT 5 WEEKS! How many times do we have to explain this to you!? 5 Weeks of BONUS XP and EXTRA rewards on top DOES NOT EQUAL a 4 day XP weekend event!!!!!
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Being just 20% off says to me it could very well have been achieved, if...!!
We just did not go that tiny bit further.
No, no, no, no, no!!!
You may think that your 'Oliver' "Please sir, can I have some more", but you're not. You're "I want it all or I'll make myself sick, sick, sick"!
You really believe that you are entitled to more than the 2 x XP bonus. You're not.
You still don't get the grasp of 'Effort=Reward'.
You still refuse to see that you are getting BONUS XP, BONUS Dil, BONUS EC, BONUS Equipment, BONUS Marks on top of whatever other BONUS things they plan to giveaway!!
This is not normal for this game.....this IS special.
Exactly...certain people blame the company for their 'lack of effort'....as always.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)