I think it's a case of either unrealistically high expectations or unreasonably low participation.
The first week of this was going to be by far the blowout week, with probably 2x or 3x as much delta recruit activity as any other week.
If the awards were realistic, this week they would have been blown out, and they would be competitive in the coming weeks. As it stands they won't be competitive in the coming week. No chance at all.
Alternatively, if they did do a good job making a realistic goal, turnout has been abysmal.
Since i know a lot of people did delta recruit, i think unrealistic expectation is more likely.
I had a blast leveling new KDF and KDF-alligned Romulan but there is no way I will level a Fed. The blue side is way too boring. It was fun the first time, starting feeling like a chore the second time but a third time? No way...
I still say we did way better than they expected us to do. I understand that some are looking at this as an openended serverwide goal - work on it until completion. But this was a time gated goal and I believe they wanted to give us a chance to barely make tier 2 and feel good about doing that. I would say that we blew away those expectations so some end up feeling defeated by not making tier 3.
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My Delta Recruit made it to level 12 before I decided I did not wish to do everything over again for a 20th time - especially for rewards I did not need. I am sorry I cost you guys the T3 bonus this week.
I doubt you where the only one... I got to around level 4 and 1 mission after the tutorial. Then realized I was logged into a game that's pretty hard to enjoy most of the time.
Something tells me those T2 goals are going to start being a stretch after the first week.
This seems to be really wide of the mark to me. Do you mean to suggest they wanted us to barely get the normal thing, and have any kind of special bonus seem hopelessly out of reach? That's not how things are done Sheldon.
I guess you don't pay much attention while you have been playing the last 4 or 5 months. It does sort of seem in keeping with plans for leveling speeds they have been putting in action since DR doesn't it ?
I guess you don't pay much attention while you have been playing the last 4 or 5 months. It does sort of seem in keeping with plans for leveling speeds they have been putting in action since DR doesn't it ?
You mean spec point acquisition speed that kinda sucks? That single thing put me off using any of my alts, I just stick with a single character now, because frankly there's no need for the spec point gain to be as lame as it is.
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As long as we hit T1, the event can be considered a Pyrrhic victory (it'd clearly be an issue if we failed to even hit that; so looking at it from a half-full standpoint, it's good). We did hit T2 and nearly hit T3, so we were pretty much within Cryptic's predictions. With that said, hitting T3 would have been a resounding victory for metrics and reports.
Of course, Cryptic could manipulate the progress bar if they really wanted to make it look like a resounding success, and grant the T3 bonus, but it's not likely; given that they were already impressed that the players even managed to reach T2 (making it quite possible they believed we'd only hit T1 and fail to reach even T2).
However, Cryptic really didn't do a solid job of enticing more players outside of the initial DR unlocks. While generous, only 4 of those are truly new (both devices and the Starship Mastery Traits); the rest are just what's been in-game.
For one, still no new races to encourage new alts or to further entice new players. Part of their DR drive was encouraging a fresh alt for even the jaded players to work with, but didn't provide any new races most jaded players already had access to.
And despite this notable event, no new clothing options released to go alongside new races; not even some unique Temporal outfit variant that DRs get free but can unlock for others on the account.
Instead of putting the normal, periodic xp event on the calendar, they rolled it into the delta recruit thing.
I think what you consider a "Normal, periodic XP" Event is just a "normal event". It can be an XP event, because that is one of the types of events they have. But now they have a new type of event (maybe a one-of-a-kind event?) and they scheduled it for this time. If your "Event-O-Meter" predicts that there should be an event around this time, it may be right, but if it says: "And it must definitely be this type of event", then it's not.
If... There wasn't serious bugs and an emergency maintenance downtime...
Who can say?
If there wasn't the emergency maintenance, wouldn't there have been the regular maintenance? (Which incidentally did not happen, probably because the emergency one covered everything they would have done normally?)
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By my reckoning (going by usual times), if it had been a normal maint, we would have lost an hour or so off the clock, so to speak, instead of that massive chunk in middle of the (europe) late afternoon - in effect, this losing a large amount of completions as when the emergency maint finished; those players likely had gone to do something else
Of course thats not to say we would have hit T3, but I'd wager without it, it would have been to the wire
You seem awfully involved in repeating this "entitled" and "effort" shtick over and over. But it doesn't make any sense.
Tell me sir, as someone who worked very hard and diligently earned every single thing for my delta recruit well before the week allotted, what more effort could I have put in that would have changed the outcome?
If I had started over, and done twice as much work, or three times as much, spending every waking hour leveling recruit after recruit, do you really expect me to believe you think it would have made any difference to the outcome?
I did my part didn't i? I took personal responsibility for my part, didnt I? And did all that was asked?
I ask you now, what should I have done, that I didn't do, to earn this reward?
Wow...you really are oblivious to the obvious. YOU say this a NORMAL reward. I say it ain't. Doesn't look like it, doesn't smell like it.
The rewards given during this 5 week event are many, many times greater than a 4 day XP weekender. Why can't you see that??
No-one is questioning your effort, it's your inability to see this plain fact that's in question.
Also, as a gamer of over 30 years, and being that RPG's and Space Shooters are my favourite genres, Cryptic are very generous with their bonuses and rewards, including the speed at which you can level a character, so don't come the 'they're being stingy' attitude with me! Any RPG has you working harder at the higher end of levelling, so as you can earn the best gear. They NEVER give it to you on a silver platter like a lot of people are requesting in STO!
And a final note. The emergency maintenance cancelled out the need for a scheduled one, which would have probably been the same amount of time, so in the end, even that had no effect on the outcome as the time loss was the same.
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Like I said in other threads, fellas...this is about RESEARCH, TESTING and CALIBRATION. Not freebies. :(They want a more accurate picture of average times to level a character from 0-50 so they can simply find more paint points to get **** from our wallets.
I think participation was hurt by them saying "Just kidding! The upgrade tokens are Bound to Account!!!"
How can my *opinion* be false? Besides, show something to back up YOUR claims that they aren't monitoring our progression, our stats, etc.
If you think they AREN'T closely watching our progression and making future adjustments based on some data mining you need to wake up and smell the coffee, my friend.
How can my *opinion* be false? Besides, show something to back up YOUR claims that they aren't monitoring our progression, our stats, etc.
If you think they AREN'T closely watching our progression and making future adjustments based on some data mining you need to wake up and smell the coffee, my friend.
Well then, how can your opinion also be true? All I see is just another pile of unfounded forum FUD.
Since people will more than likely play their non-recruits for the double xp week, I am really not expecting to get as close to tier 3 this time since it's just DOFF missions reward.
My prediction is we may barely hit T2 this time.
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its actually pretty easy to work on doff stuff you just login and q up a bunch of stuff and logout and do something else its just a bunch of button clicking you can actively play any character you want afterwards.
its actually pretty easy to work on doff stuff you just login and q up a bunch of stuff and logout and do something else its just a bunch of button clicking you can actively play any character you want afterwards.
I wondering if the players will do that though enough pass tier 1. A lot of people only made one recruit instead of one for each faction. And those are the ones that count to the numbers (whatever they are set by Cryptic). Non-recruits don't add to the total.
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Meh, I blame myself. If I spent my Easter like a shut in, and less like a person who wanted to spend time with his family , l would have stood a better chance of success.
I will see how far I can go this week ,now that the gloves are off.
My suspicion is that one week was too short for new players to figure out what they were doing and even learn about the event.
Probably would have been better to have, say, 3x the target threshold but supply a full month to get there so that word could filter out. I bet new players are wandering around at level 10-15 still and that established players were the ones who hit 30+. My experience has been that new players might tend to either make big mistakes that hinder leveling or, at the opposite extreme, overthink learning the mechanics. But they aren't going to just hop in ships and go or know where to go immediately.
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I had one friend who once quit before hitting level 10. He spent hours testing power level settings and trying to learn what all the stats on his gear did. He probably would have been a fine player at endgame because he's always been a theorycrafter but he was concerned that the game system was too deep to perfectly plot out.
On the flipside, you probably also have people who deleted their engines and can't figure out how to move in sector space.
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I had a blast leveling new KDF and KDF-alligned Romulan but there is no way I will level a Fed. The blue side is way too boring. It was fun the first time, starting feeling like a chore the second time but a third time? No way...
The bugs were not that big a deal and for the most part there were workarounds.
The emergency maintenace ended up replacing the regular maintenance we would have had today. So that evens out in my book.
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I doubt you where the only one... I got to around level 4 and 1 mission after the tutorial. Then realized I was logged into a game that's pretty hard to enjoy most of the time.
Something tells me those T2 goals are going to start being a stretch after the first week.
I guess you don't pay much attention while you have been playing the last 4 or 5 months. It does sort of seem in keeping with plans for leveling speeds they have been putting in action since DR doesn't it ?
You mean spec point acquisition speed that kinda sucks? That single thing put me off using any of my alts, I just stick with a single character now, because frankly there's no need for the spec point gain to be as lame as it is.
As long as we hit T1, the event can be considered a Pyrrhic victory (it'd clearly be an issue if we failed to even hit that; so looking at it from a half-full standpoint, it's good). We did hit T2 and nearly hit T3, so we were pretty much within Cryptic's predictions. With that said, hitting T3 would have been a resounding victory for metrics and reports.
Of course, Cryptic could manipulate the progress bar if they really wanted to make it look like a resounding success, and grant the T3 bonus, but it's not likely; given that they were already impressed that the players even managed to reach T2 (making it quite possible they believed we'd only hit T1 and fail to reach even T2).
However, Cryptic really didn't do a solid job of enticing more players outside of the initial DR unlocks. While generous, only 4 of those are truly new (both devices and the Starship Mastery Traits); the rest are just what's been in-game.
For one, still no new races to encourage new alts or to further entice new players. Part of their DR drive was encouraging a fresh alt for even the jaded players to work with, but didn't provide any new races most jaded players already had access to.
And despite this notable event, no new clothing options released to go alongside new races; not even some unique Temporal outfit variant that DRs get free but can unlock for others on the account.
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I think what you consider a "Normal, periodic XP" Event is just a "normal event". It can be an XP event, because that is one of the types of events they have. But now they have a new type of event (maybe a one-of-a-kind event?) and they scheduled it for this time. If your "Event-O-Meter" predicts that there should be an event around this time, it may be right, but if it says: "And it must definitely be this type of event", then it's not.
Of course thats not to say we would have hit T3, but I'd wager without it, it would have been to the wire
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Wow...you really are oblivious to the obvious. YOU say this a NORMAL reward. I say it ain't. Doesn't look like it, doesn't smell like it.
The rewards given during this 5 week event are many, many times greater than a 4 day XP weekender. Why can't you see that??
No-one is questioning your effort, it's your inability to see this plain fact that's in question.
Also, as a gamer of over 30 years, and being that RPG's and Space Shooters are my favourite genres, Cryptic are very generous with their bonuses and rewards, including the speed at which you can level a character, so don't come the 'they're being stingy' attitude with me! Any RPG has you working harder at the higher end of levelling, so as you can earn the best gear. They NEVER give it to you on a silver platter like a lot of people are requesting in STO!
And a final note. The emergency maintenance cancelled out the need for a scheduled one, which would have probably been the same amount of time, so in the end, even that had no effect on the outcome as the time loss was the same.
I think participation was hurt by them saying "Just kidding! The upgrade tokens are Bound to Account!!!"
How is ANYTHING I said false?
Show your work.
How can my *opinion* be false? Besides, show something to back up YOUR claims that they aren't monitoring our progression, our stats, etc.
If you think they AREN'T closely watching our progression and making future adjustments based on some data mining you need to wake up and smell the coffee, my friend.
Well then, how can your opinion also be true? All I see is just another pile of unfounded forum FUD.
My prediction is we may barely hit T2 this time.
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I wondering if the players will do that though enough pass tier 1. A lot of people only made one recruit instead of one for each faction. And those are the ones that count to the numbers (whatever they are set by Cryptic). Non-recruits don't add to the total.
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I will see how far I can go this week ,now that the gloves are off.
Probably would have been better to have, say, 3x the target threshold but supply a full month to get there so that word could filter out. I bet new players are wandering around at level 10-15 still and that established players were the ones who hit 30+. My experience has been that new players might tend to either make big mistakes that hinder leveling or, at the opposite extreme, overthink learning the mechanics. But they aren't going to just hop in ships and go or know where to go immediately.
'
I had one friend who once quit before hitting level 10. He spent hours testing power level settings and trying to learn what all the stats on his gear did. He probably would have been a fine player at endgame because he's always been a theorycrafter but he was concerned that the game system was too deep to perfectly plot out.
On the flipside, you probably also have people who deleted their engines and can't figure out how to move in sector space.