Periodic double Xp events are a normal part of the game, and it's time for one.
Getting less than the normal 2x would have been getting shorted, getting the standard ordinary 2x is just what's normal and to be expected, getting more than 2x would be a reward, something special.
Wow. I mean... just wow. This post reeks of the very sense of entitlement that some of us are calling out here. The lack of self-awareness here is just stunning in its purity.
I don't think there is anything further I can add to the quoted text that could make it sound any worse than it already does.
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I don't follow. Getting less than 2x Xp during a scheduled xp bonus week, which this definitely is, would be getting less than normal. Getting 2x would be normal, getting more than 2x would be something extra or special.
This is not a Double XP Event. This is a Delta Recruit Event which pays out very specific rewards for doing the Event - like earning Dilithium doing the CE Event.
The tiered XP rewards were an added bonus to the Event, not the purpose of the Event. Adding the XP bonuses was them doing something "special" for the players beyond just the Event rewards. It is the overly-entitled who cannot seem to see that.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I don't follow. Getting less than 2x Xp during a scheduled xp bonus week, which this definitely is, would be getting less than normal. Getting 2x would be normal, getting more than 2x would be something extra or special.
A good way to build good will to to go beyond the usual, to do something special for someone, to delight somone with something nice and unexpected. The bonus xp thing looked like that. I for one was delighted.
But, apparently the number they chose for how many missions had to be done by everyone was not a number that would be reached. So, the delight turns to disappointment. Sure would have been nice if they'd picked a number that would be reached, don't you agree?
Nope. It was probably reachable, but couldn't be achieved because of those that stopped doing the missions, or just concentrated on levelling, as has been mentioned by numerous players, because they weren't being given things either quick enough or because they wanted even more than what was being given! And why should they give any indication of what the actual number was? You couldn't affect the outcome, only the total number of players doing the missions could, and since the vast majority of players never read up, that number becomes totally irrelevant when they haven't a clue what it means.
Also, you're only looking at the XP reward....why?? You also seem to mistake a 5 week event for a 4 day, once every 2 month, event! Did you forget about the extra Dil, Mark, Equipment etc?
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Got my Fed recruit to 50 by skipping that TRIBBLE arc Cardassian Struggle and went straight to the Borg. And we are at 84%.
For those asking for Cryptic to give tier 3 anyway, because of the bugs, Cryptic would be nice to give it if we got like 95% or so. But that would not be required of them to do. Just nice but don't expect it.
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I don't follow. Getting less than 2x Xp during a scheduled xp bonus week, which this definitely is, would be getting less than normal. Getting 2x would be normal, getting more than 2x would be something extra or special.
Stop there.
This is not a scheduled bonus XP week.
I repeat, this is not a scheduled bonus XP week.
Everything that follows from that mistaken premise is null--without any value whatsoever.
The fact is that we are not entitled to bonus XP. If we were entitled to it, it wouldn't be a bonus. If we were entitled to it, we wouldn't have to do anything to earn it.
I mean, do you not actually understand what a "bonus" is? Do you not actually understand what you sound like when you express disappointment with a 2x XP bonus that you weren't otherwise going to get this week, and say that it would've had to be a -bigger- bonus in order to be considered special?
Your sense of entitlement is what is driving your unhappiness here. You set yourself up for failure by creating unreasonable expectations of getting something you were not promised and were not entitled to, and then you become unhappy when those unreasonable expectations are not met because the reward you were given wasn't enough to satisfy you.
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Describing something a different way doesn't make it a different thing.
No, he is 100% right. You are wrong. This is NOT a normal event. This is an event with BONUS XP and BONUS rewards which we would NOT normally receive!!!
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Well, if someone on the Internet says so then it must be true.
Pro tip: pretty much anyone reading this entire exchange has noticed by now that you've repeatedly refused to explain why a "bonus" is something you're entitled to, or why you think a reward that you're told you have to earn is something that should be given to you regardless of whether or not you do what is necessary to earn it.
Have fun going through life being regularly disappointed by your misplaced sense of entitlement. It will make you a very unhappy person every time your expectations collide with reality, as they have here.
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Because I'm wondering why the Vault has over 21,000 XP as the rewad instead of the usual over 7,000.
Might also explain why I got two levels from Doff assignments.
6PM GMT is when it becomes active.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Well, if someone on the Internet says so then it must be true.
Pro tip: pretty much anyone reading this entire exchange has noticed by now that you've repeatedly refused to explain why a "bonus" is something you're entitled to, or why you think a reward that you're told you have to earn is something that should be given to you regardless of whether or not you do what is necessary to earn it.
Have fun going through life being regularly disappointed by your misplaced sense of entitlement. It will make you a very unhappy person every time your expectations collide with reality, as they have here.
He's probably one of the angry crowd that would normally hack the game or mod it to give themselves everything they want! Lol.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
This isn't true though is it? Normally we would receive double xp for a week in the run up to a new spec tree. Normally it would be on the calendar, this time it's still happening, it just wasn't given its own separate entry on the calendar.
Describing it with different words doesn't make it a different thing.
This is a COMPLETELY different event that is NOT a normally scheduled thing and we've never had a week long XP event introducing a new Spec tree. XP events leading upto a new spec tree are 4 days NOT 5 WEEKS! How many times do we have to explain this to you!? 5 Weeks of BONUS XP and EXTRA rewards on top DOES NOT EQUAL a 4 day XP weekend event!!!!!
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
There is also a difference in saying they picked a goal "we did not achieve" and a goal "we could not achieve".
Being just 20% off says to me it could very well have been achieved, if...!!
We just did not go that tiny bit further.
I don't know if it was this thread or the other. But I explained that "deserve" never enters into it.
Sure, normally we are given the gift of a double xp event periodically, and before a new spec tree comes out.
It was also explained that it's nice to do something nice and unexpected for others. Going beyond the norm is a delight. I for one was delighted at the prospect of a special bonus xp thing. But, my delight has turned to disappointment, since they devs chose to pick a number higher than we would reach.
It's their choice you see, whether or not to give the gift. It has nothing to do with entitlement or deserving.
Now, if they want, they can choose to give the gift still. They can say "we are glad you're all enjoying delta recruit, we had some bugs, who's to say if we hadn't, things would be different, let's call it close enough, enjoy!"
Or, they can just stick with whatever number they chose, and say "sorry, we chose a number and you didn't reach it."
I'm not an expert on public relations but I do have a background in free to play online game design and management, and I'm a normal human being. So, I have my own ideas on which choice would be better for everyone. You might disagree, and that's fine, it's a free country!
No, no, no, no, no!!!
You may think that your 'Oliver' "Please sir, can I have some more", but you're not. You're "I want it all or I'll make myself sick, sick, sick"!
You really believe that you are entitled to more than the 2 x XP bonus. You're not.
You still don't get the grasp of 'Effort=Reward'.
You still refuse to see that you are getting BONUS XP, BONUS Dil, BONUS EC, BONUS Equipment, BONUS Marks on top of whatever other BONUS things they plan to giveaway!!
This is not normal for this game.....this IS special.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
There is also a difference in saying they picked a goal "we did not achieve" and a goal "we could not achieve".
Being just 20% off says to me it could very well have been achieved, if...!!
We just did not go that tiny bit further.
Exactly...certain people blame the company for their 'lack of effort'....as always.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
People don't want to take responciblity for things.
Everywhere I look, people are screaming about how bad Cryptic is.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
I think it's a case of either unrealistically high expectations or unreasonably low participation.
The first week of this was going to be by far the blowout week, with probably 2x or 3x as much delta recruit activity as any other week.
If the awards were realistic, this week they would have been blown out, and they would be competitive in the coming weeks. As it stands they won't be competitive in the coming week. No chance at all.
Alternatively, if they did do a good job making a realistic goal, turnout has been abysmal.
Since i know a lot of people did delta recruit, i think unrealistic expectation is more likely.
I had a blast leveling new KDF and KDF-alligned Romulan but there is no way I will level a Fed. The blue side is way too boring. It was fun the first time, starting feeling like a chore the second time but a third time? No way...
I still say we did way better than they expected us to do. I understand that some are looking at this as an openended serverwide goal - work on it until completion. But this was a time gated goal and I believe they wanted to give us a chance to barely make tier 2 and feel good about doing that. I would say that we blew away those expectations so some end up feeling defeated by not making tier 3.
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My Delta Recruit made it to level 12 before I decided I did not wish to do everything over again for a 20th time - especially for rewards I did not need. I am sorry I cost you guys the T3 bonus this week.
I doubt you where the only one... I got to around level 4 and 1 mission after the tutorial. Then realized I was logged into a game that's pretty hard to enjoy most of the time.
Something tells me those T2 goals are going to start being a stretch after the first week.
This seems to be really wide of the mark to me. Do you mean to suggest they wanted us to barely get the normal thing, and have any kind of special bonus seem hopelessly out of reach? That's not how things are done Sheldon.
I guess you don't pay much attention while you have been playing the last 4 or 5 months. It does sort of seem in keeping with plans for leveling speeds they have been putting in action since DR doesn't it ?
I guess you don't pay much attention while you have been playing the last 4 or 5 months. It does sort of seem in keeping with plans for leveling speeds they have been putting in action since DR doesn't it ?
You mean spec point acquisition speed that kinda sucks? That single thing put me off using any of my alts, I just stick with a single character now, because frankly there's no need for the spec point gain to be as lame as it is.
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As long as we hit T1, the event can be considered a Pyrrhic victory (it'd clearly be an issue if we failed to even hit that; so looking at it from a half-full standpoint, it's good). We did hit T2 and nearly hit T3, so we were pretty much within Cryptic's predictions. With that said, hitting T3 would have been a resounding victory for metrics and reports.
Of course, Cryptic could manipulate the progress bar if they really wanted to make it look like a resounding success, and grant the T3 bonus, but it's not likely; given that they were already impressed that the players even managed to reach T2 (making it quite possible they believed we'd only hit T1 and fail to reach even T2).
However, Cryptic really didn't do a solid job of enticing more players outside of the initial DR unlocks. While generous, only 4 of those are truly new (both devices and the Starship Mastery Traits); the rest are just what's been in-game.
For one, still no new races to encourage new alts or to further entice new players. Part of their DR drive was encouraging a fresh alt for even the jaded players to work with, but didn't provide any new races most jaded players already had access to.
And despite this notable event, no new clothing options released to go alongside new races; not even some unique Temporal outfit variant that DRs get free but can unlock for others on the account.
Instead of putting the normal, periodic xp event on the calendar, they rolled it into the delta recruit thing.
I think what you consider a "Normal, periodic XP" Event is just a "normal event". It can be an XP event, because that is one of the types of events they have. But now they have a new type of event (maybe a one-of-a-kind event?) and they scheduled it for this time. If your "Event-O-Meter" predicts that there should be an event around this time, it may be right, but if it says: "And it must definitely be this type of event", then it's not.
If... There wasn't serious bugs and an emergency maintenance downtime...
Who can say?
If there wasn't the emergency maintenance, wouldn't there have been the regular maintenance? (Which incidentally did not happen, probably because the emergency one covered everything they would have done normally?)
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By my reckoning (going by usual times), if it had been a normal maint, we would have lost an hour or so off the clock, so to speak, instead of that massive chunk in middle of the (europe) late afternoon - in effect, this losing a large amount of completions as when the emergency maint finished; those players likely had gone to do something else
Of course thats not to say we would have hit T3, but I'd wager without it, it would have been to the wire
You seem awfully involved in repeating this "entitled" and "effort" shtick over and over. But it doesn't make any sense.
Tell me sir, as someone who worked very hard and diligently earned every single thing for my delta recruit well before the week allotted, what more effort could I have put in that would have changed the outcome?
If I had started over, and done twice as much work, or three times as much, spending every waking hour leveling recruit after recruit, do you really expect me to believe you think it would have made any difference to the outcome?
I did my part didn't i? I took personal responsibility for my part, didnt I? And did all that was asked?
I ask you now, what should I have done, that I didn't do, to earn this reward?
Wow...you really are oblivious to the obvious. YOU say this a NORMAL reward. I say it ain't. Doesn't look like it, doesn't smell like it.
The rewards given during this 5 week event are many, many times greater than a 4 day XP weekender. Why can't you see that??
No-one is questioning your effort, it's your inability to see this plain fact that's in question.
Also, as a gamer of over 30 years, and being that RPG's and Space Shooters are my favourite genres, Cryptic are very generous with their bonuses and rewards, including the speed at which you can level a character, so don't come the 'they're being stingy' attitude with me! Any RPG has you working harder at the higher end of levelling, so as you can earn the best gear. They NEVER give it to you on a silver platter like a lot of people are requesting in STO!
And a final note. The emergency maintenance cancelled out the need for a scheduled one, which would have probably been the same amount of time, so in the end, even that had no effect on the outcome as the time loss was the same.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Like I said in other threads, fellas...this is about RESEARCH, TESTING and CALIBRATION. Not freebies. :(They want a more accurate picture of average times to level a character from 0-50 so they can simply find more paint points to get **** from our wallets.
I think participation was hurt by them saying "Just kidding! The upgrade tokens are Bound to Account!!!"
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I don't think there is anything further I can add to the quoted text that could make it sound any worse than it already does.
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The tiered XP rewards were an added bonus to the Event, not the purpose of the Event. Adding the XP bonuses was them doing something "special" for the players beyond just the Event rewards. It is the overly-entitled who cannot seem to see that.
Nope. It was probably reachable, but couldn't be achieved because of those that stopped doing the missions, or just concentrated on levelling, as has been mentioned by numerous players, because they weren't being given things either quick enough or because they wanted even more than what was being given! And why should they give any indication of what the actual number was? You couldn't affect the outcome, only the total number of players doing the missions could, and since the vast majority of players never read up, that number becomes totally irrelevant when they haven't a clue what it means.
Also, you're only looking at the XP reward....why?? You also seem to mistake a 5 week event for a 4 day, once every 2 month, event! Did you forget about the extra Dil, Mark, Equipment etc?
For those asking for Cryptic to give tier 3 anyway, because of the bugs, Cryptic would be nice to give it if we got like 95% or so. But that would not be required of them to do. Just nice but don't expect it.
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This is not a scheduled bonus XP week.
I repeat, this is not a scheduled bonus XP week.
Everything that follows from that mistaken premise is null--without any value whatsoever.
The fact is that we are not entitled to bonus XP. If we were entitled to it, it wouldn't be a bonus. If we were entitled to it, we wouldn't have to do anything to earn it.
I mean, do you not actually understand what a "bonus" is? Do you not actually understand what you sound like when you express disappointment with a 2x XP bonus that you weren't otherwise going to get this week, and say that it would've had to be a -bigger- bonus in order to be considered special?
Your sense of entitlement is what is driving your unhappiness here. You set yourself up for failure by creating unreasonable expectations of getting something you were not promised and were not entitled to, and then you become unhappy when those unreasonable expectations are not met because the reward you were given wasn't enough to satisfy you.
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No, he is 100% right. You are wrong. This is NOT a normal event. This is an event with BONUS XP and BONUS rewards which we would NOT normally receive!!!
Because I'm wondering why the Vault has over 21,000 XP as the rewad instead of the usual over 7,000.
Might also explain why I got two levels from Doff assignments.
Pro tip: pretty much anyone reading this entire exchange has noticed by now that you've repeatedly refused to explain why a "bonus" is something you're entitled to, or why you think a reward that you're told you have to earn is something that should be given to you regardless of whether or not you do what is necessary to earn it.
Have fun going through life being regularly disappointed by your misplaced sense of entitlement. It will make you a very unhappy person every time your expectations collide with reality, as they have here.
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6PM GMT is when it becomes active.
He's probably one of the angry crowd that would normally hack the game or mod it to give themselves everything they want! Lol.
This is a COMPLETELY different event that is NOT a normally scheduled thing and we've never had a week long XP event introducing a new Spec tree. XP events leading upto a new spec tree are 4 days NOT 5 WEEKS! How many times do we have to explain this to you!? 5 Weeks of BONUS XP and EXTRA rewards on top DOES NOT EQUAL a 4 day XP weekend event!!!!!
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Being just 20% off says to me it could very well have been achieved, if...!!
We just did not go that tiny bit further.
No, no, no, no, no!!!
You may think that your 'Oliver' "Please sir, can I have some more", but you're not. You're "I want it all or I'll make myself sick, sick, sick"!
You really believe that you are entitled to more than the 2 x XP bonus. You're not.
You still don't get the grasp of 'Effort=Reward'.
You still refuse to see that you are getting BONUS XP, BONUS Dil, BONUS EC, BONUS Equipment, BONUS Marks on top of whatever other BONUS things they plan to giveaway!!
This is not normal for this game.....this IS special.
Exactly...certain people blame the company for their 'lack of effort'....as always.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
I had a blast leveling new KDF and KDF-alligned Romulan but there is no way I will level a Fed. The blue side is way too boring. It was fun the first time, starting feeling like a chore the second time but a third time? No way...
The bugs were not that big a deal and for the most part there were workarounds.
The emergency maintenace ended up replacing the regular maintenance we would have had today. So that evens out in my book.
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I doubt you where the only one... I got to around level 4 and 1 mission after the tutorial. Then realized I was logged into a game that's pretty hard to enjoy most of the time.
Something tells me those T2 goals are going to start being a stretch after the first week.
I guess you don't pay much attention while you have been playing the last 4 or 5 months. It does sort of seem in keeping with plans for leveling speeds they have been putting in action since DR doesn't it ?
You mean spec point acquisition speed that kinda sucks? That single thing put me off using any of my alts, I just stick with a single character now, because frankly there's no need for the spec point gain to be as lame as it is.
As long as we hit T1, the event can be considered a Pyrrhic victory (it'd clearly be an issue if we failed to even hit that; so looking at it from a half-full standpoint, it's good). We did hit T2 and nearly hit T3, so we were pretty much within Cryptic's predictions. With that said, hitting T3 would have been a resounding victory for metrics and reports.
Of course, Cryptic could manipulate the progress bar if they really wanted to make it look like a resounding success, and grant the T3 bonus, but it's not likely; given that they were already impressed that the players even managed to reach T2 (making it quite possible they believed we'd only hit T1 and fail to reach even T2).
However, Cryptic really didn't do a solid job of enticing more players outside of the initial DR unlocks. While generous, only 4 of those are truly new (both devices and the Starship Mastery Traits); the rest are just what's been in-game.
For one, still no new races to encourage new alts or to further entice new players. Part of their DR drive was encouraging a fresh alt for even the jaded players to work with, but didn't provide any new races most jaded players already had access to.
And despite this notable event, no new clothing options released to go alongside new races; not even some unique Temporal outfit variant that DRs get free but can unlock for others on the account.
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I think what you consider a "Normal, periodic XP" Event is just a "normal event". It can be an XP event, because that is one of the types of events they have. But now they have a new type of event (maybe a one-of-a-kind event?) and they scheduled it for this time. If your "Event-O-Meter" predicts that there should be an event around this time, it may be right, but if it says: "And it must definitely be this type of event", then it's not.
Of course thats not to say we would have hit T3, but I'd wager without it, it would have been to the wire
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Wow...you really are oblivious to the obvious. YOU say this a NORMAL reward. I say it ain't. Doesn't look like it, doesn't smell like it.
The rewards given during this 5 week event are many, many times greater than a 4 day XP weekender. Why can't you see that??
No-one is questioning your effort, it's your inability to see this plain fact that's in question.
Also, as a gamer of over 30 years, and being that RPG's and Space Shooters are my favourite genres, Cryptic are very generous with their bonuses and rewards, including the speed at which you can level a character, so don't come the 'they're being stingy' attitude with me! Any RPG has you working harder at the higher end of levelling, so as you can earn the best gear. They NEVER give it to you on a silver platter like a lot of people are requesting in STO!
And a final note. The emergency maintenance cancelled out the need for a scheduled one, which would have probably been the same amount of time, so in the end, even that had no effect on the outcome as the time loss was the same.
I think participation was hurt by them saying "Just kidding! The upgrade tokens are Bound to Account!!!"
How is ANYTHING I said false?