While I do agree some of the missions are tedious and pointless (Badlands comes to mind), some of the others are actually fun to play (Section 31, mirror, Second Wave onwards). I hope that if they decide to redo those missions, they don't take out the fun parts.
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While I do agree some of the missions are tedious and pointless (Badlands comes to mind), some of the others are actually fun to play (Section 31, mirror, Second Wave onwards). I hope that if they decide to redo those missions, they don't take out the fun parts.
Most of the fun ones you listed still come off as tedious to me. Especially the last mission, that one just goes on too long.
Thanks for that nightmare. I like ground over space but Coliseum drags off to the point where I would deal with any other mission.
Oh my god, I can't stand that one either. It starts as a reasonably interesting space scan and away team puzzle mission--nothing special, fairly routine. You allocate some time to do it, expecting that you have an idea how long it's going to take.
Then, with no warning at all--just when you think the mission is over--it transitions to an entirely different kind of mission where you're a prisoner, and you have to fight multiple -extremely- tedious ground fights with only a trash melee weapon--which let me tell you, is really awesome for any captain who (like me)already finds ground combat annoying and clunky, and therefore doesn't spec or gear for it. With absolutely no good explanation for why all these energy weapons that you have and can use both before and after the arena battles, somehow cannot be used during them.
Terrible. This mission needs to be scrapped and taken all the way back to the planning stage; the only redeeming quality is the beautiful environmental artwork in the planetary system itself. The rest could be used as "don't do this" object lessons for a class on level design.
Don't even get me started on the tedious slog that is the entire Wasteland episode. So. Much. Unnecessary. Walking.
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The DS9 arc's True Way and Mirror Universe arcs could have been great stories, but each plays like content still under construction. I'd love to see them fleshed out more and broken up into separate episodes, but I'm afraid they'll just be compacted further, the way the Borg and Romulan episodes were. Just capturing Gul Madred should be a much bigger deal than it is.
The phrases "long and tedious" and "boring and repetitive" describe every mission in this game.
This is my biggest gripe about STO. There really isn't much of a game in this game. Every mission, and I mean every mission, is the same. Fly to space, kill. Beam to ground, kill. Beam back to ship, kill. Ad nauseam.
Any semblance of replayability is lost in the grind.
I wasn't aware that Coliseum was hated? I could see that it might be better off being split, so the "Captured" part is a separate mission (which is how the Romulan missions involving being captured are structured), but the mission itself was pretty neat, IMO. Maybe I am just nostalgic for the TOS Battle music.
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The Cardassian Struggle certainly does show its age compared to the others. I made a post a little while ago discussing how this campaign can be remastered and made more fun to play. I think the Mirror Universe missions should be spun off and made into their own campaign, set between Cardassian Struggle and Borg Advance.
People hate Colosseum? I'm surprised, that one always struck me as one of the most show-like of any mission in the game. Long for replay value maybe, but in terms of writing and the stuff that happens in the mission, I can totally see that as an episode of TNG.
But not only are they not rewarding - they are also excruciatingly long and tedious. One mission will have you single-handedly clearing out a small armada before beaming down to a planet and running to four widely placed objectives on an unnecessarily large map filled with trash mobs before entering an unnecessarily large underground complex which is also filled with an unnecessary amount of trash mobs before beaming back out to space and fighting back a three-part ambush.
What do the Romulan Republic missions have to do with DS9?
We need to be able to use floaters in the remastering of the spacewalk episode, the increase in speed would improve that mission 100Xs alone.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
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My only real beefs with the 2800 arc is that the Federation is over represented at the talks. Fed admiral, Kurland, Shon, If playing a fed, You. To one cardie, S'tass, and a deferi.
And why does a fed character have to convince Shon to cooperate with Star Fleet?
As to all the arcs before that. . . It feels a little like the kitchen sink. Grab a little of this idea and that and toss them in but have no real fun with the ideas. I mean Badlands should lead to finding not just True Way but missing Maquis and deserted families. Investigating them gives more clues on the True Way.
The Mirror events should be more fleshed out and this is probably a pipe dream. But a mirror counter attack. Where you go to a space zone that is nothing but systems in the mirror universe and most are hostile to you.
There is tons of potential there. I shall cross my fingers on the redo of the missions.
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Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
People hate Colosseum? I'm surprised, that one always struck me as one of the most show-like of any mission in the game. Long for replay value maybe, but in terms of writing and the stuff that happens in the mission, I can totally see that as an episode of TNG.
Coliseum is the worst mission in the game for many reasons
Please do enumerate them.... but be warned, if it's whining about ground combat, you may get mocked mercilessly for sucking.
Yeah, seriously. I always thought that that was one of the better missions. I mean, clearly it's lost in a herd of five really great missions, but still.
It's not even as though the ground combat in that mission is hard or anything. It's really kind of easy. You just keep moving when the thing spits at you and you're fine.
No. I don't care enough to document everything. Its all awful.
Just looking at the first part with the satellite, it could be flushed and the mission would be better off for it.
1) beam over with away team who do absolutely nothing but interfere with your movement
2) start calc.exe and flip in and out of the game to answer too many math questions. Purposefully breaking rhythm like this is horrible design. Somebody who tabs out might just stay out.
3) away team beams out then you are intercepted ... a very poor segue to the real mission.
Every stage of it is bad for different reasons but overall the thing feels like it was built of spare mission parts that were lying around. Hey we have this satellite thing, this arena thing, this desert thing, lets glue them together with Slamek and Hakeev. The overall arc is mish-mash of poor design and execution (other than the outside scenery at the shipwreck, which is good as usual)
No. I don't care enough to document everything. Its all awful.
Just looking at the first part with the satellite, it could be flushed and the mission would be better off for it.
1) beam over with away team who do absolutely nothing but interfere with your movement
2) start calc.exe and flip in and out of the game to answer too many math questions. Purposefully breaking rhythm like this is horrible design. Somebody who tabs out might just stay out.
3) away team beams out then you are intercepted ... a very poor segue to the real mission.
Every stage of it is bad for different reasons but overall the thing feels like it was built of spare mission parts that were lying around. Hey we have this satellite thing, this arena thing, this desert thing, lets glue them together with Slamek and Hakeev. The overall arc is mish-mash of poor design and execution (other than the outside scenery at the shipwreck, which is good as usual)
Wait? What's wrong with the whole away team beams out while you get captured? Pretty classic trek if you ask me:
-investigate some tedious issue
-things go horribly wrong.
-plot twist! Slameck/nearby alien betrays you( but it's not their fault)
-last minute half witted,half lucked escape for our hero.
Wait? What's wrong with the whole away team beams out while you get captured?
Its just poorly executed. Also considering the whole 5 mins wasted before then were unnecessary to anything, did not move the story at all, then heeey tricked ya here's a stilted segue
Its just poorly executed. Also considering the whole 5 mins wasted before then were unnecessary to anything, did not move the story at all, then heeey tricked ya here's a stilted segue
You're just saying that it's poorly executed without anything to back it up but your own opinion. Personally, I love that aspect of the mish. The only downside to me is the long walk with slameck but that's a minor gripe. The rest is gravy
I always dread when I reach the Cardassian arc, it's long overdue a revamp. I like what they've done to the Romulan arc for Feds and I really hope they get their finger out and do something to improve the Cardassian arc.
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Small people... ask for opinion then whine when one is given
The question was for reasons. I wasn't aware that the term reason was synonymous with opinion... ya know since reasons is derived from logic and all those fun things. If you can't back your **** up then just say it.
personally I never found collesium to make much sense....if it was hakeev's facility and slamek was his spy, then the escape was a ruse in order to...what? lure you in another trap (you were already captured) so he could kill you away from his own base?
the whole slamek betrayl comes off as a plot twist for the sake of having a plot twist regardless of whether it makes sense or not
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Oh my god, I can't stand that one either. It starts as a reasonably interesting space scan and away team puzzle mission--nothing special, fairly routine. You allocate some time to do it, expecting that you have an idea how long it's going to take.
Then, with no warning at all--just when you think the mission is over--it transitions to an entirely different kind of mission where you're a prisoner, and you have to fight multiple -extremely- tedious ground fights with only a trash melee weapon--which let me tell you, is really awesome for any captain who (like me)already finds ground combat annoying and clunky, and therefore doesn't spec or gear for it. With absolutely no good explanation for why all these energy weapons that you have and can use both before and after the arena battles, somehow cannot be used during them.
Terrible. This mission needs to be scrapped and taken all the way back to the planning stage; the only redeeming quality is the beautiful environmental artwork in the planetary system itself. The rest could be used as "don't do this" object lessons for a class on level design.
Don't even get me started on the tedious slog that is the entire Wasteland episode. So. Much. Unnecessary. Walking.
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This is my biggest gripe about STO. There really isn't much of a game in this game. Every mission, and I mean every mission, is the same. Fly to space, kill. Beam to ground, kill. Beam back to ship, kill. Ad nauseam.
Any semblance of replayability is lost in the grind.
Oh you take that back, DS9 rocks.
I actually like that one quite a bit and have fond memories from when it came out. It was one f the better moments in the game prior to f2p.
The arc needs downsizing, it's just too freaking long compared to other arcs now days.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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My only real beefs with the 2800 arc is that the Federation is over represented at the talks. Fed admiral, Kurland, Shon, If playing a fed, You. To one cardie, S'tass, and a deferi.
And why does a fed character have to convince Shon to cooperate with Star Fleet?
As to all the arcs before that. . . It feels a little like the kitchen sink. Grab a little of this idea and that and toss them in but have no real fun with the ideas. I mean Badlands should lead to finding not just True Way but missing Maquis and deserted families. Investigating them gives more clues on the True Way.
The Mirror events should be more fleshed out and this is probably a pipe dream. But a mirror counter attack. Where you go to a space zone that is nothing but systems in the mirror universe and most are hostile to you.
There is tons of potential there. I shall cross my fingers on the redo of the missions.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
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Yeah, seriously. I always thought that that was one of the better missions. I mean, clearly it's lost in a herd of five really great missions, but still.
It's not even as though the ground combat in that mission is hard or anything. It's really kind of easy. You just keep moving when the thing spits at you and you're fine.
Just looking at the first part with the satellite, it could be flushed and the mission would be better off for it.
1) beam over with away team who do absolutely nothing but interfere with your movement
2) start calc.exe and flip in and out of the game to answer too many math questions. Purposefully breaking rhythm like this is horrible design. Somebody who tabs out might just stay out.
3) away team beams out then you are intercepted ... a very poor segue to the real mission.
Every stage of it is bad for different reasons but overall the thing feels like it was built of spare mission parts that were lying around. Hey we have this satellite thing, this arena thing, this desert thing, lets glue them together with Slamek and Hakeev. The overall arc is mish-mash of poor design and execution (other than the outside scenery at the shipwreck, which is good as usual)
Wait? What's wrong with the whole away team beams out while you get captured? Pretty classic trek if you ask me:
-investigate some tedious issue
-things go horribly wrong.
-plot twist! Slameck/nearby alien betrays you( but it's not their fault)
-last minute half witted,half lucked escape for our hero.
You're just saying that it's poorly executed without anything to back it up but your own opinion. Personally, I love that aspect of the mish. The only downside to me is the long walk with slameck but that's a minor gripe. The rest is gravy
Small people... ask for opinion then whine when one is given
The question was for reasons. I wasn't aware that the term reason was synonymous with opinion... ya know since reasons is derived from logic and all those fun things. If you can't back your **** up then just say it.
the whole slamek betrayl comes off as a plot twist for the sake of having a plot twist regardless of whether it makes sense or not