I'm wondering if somehow this promotion caused a bug. I'm not sure how but yesterday (before patch) a person in chat bought Master Keys from the C-Store and tried to sell them but couldn't. The keys were "Bound to Account", as I notice, so are the ones in this pack.
Is this a bug that somehow affected some purchases of keys or is this a new "feature" where keys are no longer trade-able?
Summary:
"New ZEN buyers and those with a limited purchase history may get temporarily flagged into the probation system. Once you have an established purchase history with us, the system is unlikely to trigger."
During the probationary period:
1)Any zen purchased can't be traded for dilithium in the dil exchange until the probation ends.
2)Any tradeable items purchased from the c-store (such as master keys and fleet ship modules) are bound to the user's account. After the probationary period these items will stay bound to account but any new items purchased can be traded.
3)All items obtained from lock boxes and the lobi store by the user will be bound to account. After the probationary period the items will stay bound but any new items can be traded.
"If you receive the warning about a C-Store purchase being bound-to-account and do not wish to have bound items, cancel your purchase and try again the next day. The probation status is removed from your account once the financial transaction is confirmed, which can take up to 10 days."
Sorry, you guys are wrong. It is an unlock, it unlocks both shuttles account wide. Read the description of the promotion in the zen store, it is very clear. I have already done it and can confirm that opening the shuttle box, regardless of faction, unlocks both faction shuttles account wide in the zen store.
If it's an unlock then that would be good cause when they gave the Delta Flyer away in the EU it was a shuttle in a box and not an account wide unlock.
One thought tho - Could this become a permanent thing - Buy ZEN get some R&D stuff and some or at least one Key. As you said in the post: Rule of Acquisition # 191 It Never Hurts to Sweeten the Deal
Would make me want to buy more ZEN, I know this as a fact.
That is so not fair, how can you limit this offer to the Arc system? I have been purchasing Zen off the Steam Store for all the time I have been active. I feel neglected now and pushed to the side by PWE/Cryptic.
Well done PWE for alienating your steam community even more. This will heavily playu in my future decisions to buy from the game in the future. :mad::mad:
That is so not fair, how can you limit this offer to the Arc system? I have been purchasing Zen off the Steam Store for all the time I have been active. I feel neglected now and pushed to the side by PWE/Cryptic.
Well done PWE for alienating your steam community even more. This will heavily playu in my future decisions to buy from the game in the future. :mad::mad:
The answer is easy. They don't want people playing from steam they want everyone playing from ARC. Back when Arc was first released they said they want all Cryptic/PWE games to be exclusive to Arc. My prediction is they will find a way to remove STO from steam at some point.
Don't like that they're account bound stuff, especially the keys. Remember folks, anything you buy or earn from those keys becomes "toxic" and thus untradable too. Eg ships, items, etc you win from lockboxes opened with those keys and the associated lobi you earn from opening those, what you purchase from the lobi store with the toxic lobi becomes toxic (account bound) too.
And it's Bind To Character, not Account. So make sure your toon is the one you want to have the shuttle on.
I'm telling you guys you are wrong, dead WRONG!
If you read the description on the first time promotion thing in the zen store it states it explicitly. I claimed the first time zen promotion from the zen store on a KDF klingon and then the shuttles, in the zen store, were marked as available. I had never purchased either of these before and I have never received them from past freebies, I have only been playing since two days before the end of the winter event. I just went and confirmed that it is a dual-faction account-wide unlock by going on to my KDF-Romulan and claiming the shuttle (after my KDF Klingon had already claimed it). I then went onto two Fed toons and claimed the Yellowstone on both.
tldr: The shuttle unlock from the 'first time zen' promotion unlock both faction's shuttles for the entire account, retrievable through the zen store.
[edit] Could a dev please weigh in on this one and settle the matter, because either I'm correct and it is an account wide unlock or I was lucky enough to be on the receiving end of a very nice bug. [/edit]
Remember folks, anything you buy or earn from those keys becomes "toxic" and thus untradable too. Eg ships, items, etc you win from lockboxes opened with those keys and the associated lobi you earn from opening those, what you purchase from the lobi store with the toxic lobi becomes toxic (account bound) too.
Items from lockboxes will not be bound if using First-Time Buyer bound keys:
Just a note, your first post says Steam purchases DO qualify, then your second says they don't, but only at the VERY bottom.
That seems a little deceptive to me, now I have 20 bucks sitting in my steam wallet and had to spend more money. For me it's not a huge deal I'll spend that on another game, even if I have to wait until the steam sales, and I know it's my fault for not reading first.
But when you have a huge caveat like that, I feel the warning should be more prominent
The only thing that gives me pause is the Fraud Prevention System; potentially having to deal with a persistent and contagious Bound state on all items purchased with my Zen is a serious impediment to me being a First-Time Buyer...
...maybe if we had specific guidelines as to what triggered it,
maybe if accounts over a year old were exempt from it,
maybe if the Bound state were removed when the transaction was verified,
maybe if you just didn't give us Zen until the transaction was verified,
etc.
The promo is a neat idea, though. Thanks for that, at least.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
I guess they don't want my money, I was planning to spend $40 from my steam account for the 15% bonus, until they decided that it was second class money, not worthy of being rewarded like other money, I guess I'll save it for a different game
That is so not fair, how can you limit this offer to the Arc system? I have been purchasing Zen off the Steam Store for all the time I have been active. I feel neglected now and pushed to the side by PWE/Cryptic.
Well done PWE for alienating your steam community even more. This will heavily playu in my future decisions to buy from the game in the future. :mad::mad:
Steam takes 30-50% tax.
I am from Belgium and english isn't my main language, sorry if I make mistakes.
Don't like that they're account bound stuff, especially the keys. Remember folks, anything you buy or earn from those keys becomes "toxic" and thus untradable too. Eg ships, items, etc you win from lockboxes opened with those keys and the associated lobi you earn from opening those, what you purchase from the lobi store with the toxic lobi becomes toxic (account bound) too.
User beware.
Incorrect, i traded away the items from the lock boxes that i opened with the bound keys, in this instance you're allowed to trade the items and there was a PWE post a couple of pages before your post about it
If you read the description on the first time promotion thing in the zen store it states it explicitly. I claimed the first time zen promotion from the zen store on a KDF klingon and then the shuttles, in the zen store, were marked as available. I had never purchased either of these before and I have never received them from past freebies, I have only been playing since two days before the end of the winter event. I just went and confirmed that it is a dual-faction account-wide unlock by going on to my KDF-Romulan and claiming the shuttle (after my KDF Klingon had already claimed it). I then went onto two Fed toons and claimed the Yellowstone on both.
tldr: The shuttle unlock from the 'first time zen' promotion unlock both faction's shuttles for the entire account, retrievable through the zen store.
[edit] Could a dev please weigh in on this one and settle the matter, because either I'm correct and it is an account wide unlock or I was lucky enough to be on the receiving end of a very nice bug. [/edit]
I have no way of testing this as I already have both of the shuttles unlocked on my account.
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
True alters don't have a "main". Account wide unlocks for all unique event rewards!!
I have to laugh at this concept. Saw it the first time in Neverwinter and they gave away a unique companion, a bag, etc. That made sense.
Now I'm looking at STO's version and I have to wonder...
WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!?
Yellowstone: Been given away at least twice and once unlocked is unlocked for all Federation characters.
Todoj Fighter: Ditto.
I realize you guys are too busy to come up with something unique just for this pack and were probably pushed into making it to begin with, but my recommendation would have been to just ignore those requests and keep going like you're going. This is just a joke.
All Federation or Federation-aligned Romulans on the account will get the Runabout Yellowstone shuttle. All Klingon and Klingon-aligned Romulans will get the To'duj Fighter shuttle. Romulans. Please note: Romulans without a faction will not receive this ship pack.
I bought my 15% Off Zen last night, and got my FTB Reward. Thanks for that.
Using my keys I opened three Vaadwaur Lockboxes and got a polaron weapons pack (which contained a sniper rifle that sold on the exchange for 28,888EC), an R&D Pack (various), a 100Mark booster, and the three combined got me 14 Lobi.
The Large XP Boost I used on my Main and it was consumed with one Finish of all my DOff missions I had running while at work (I had some pretty impressive crits). So thanks for the 10k extra XP.
I opened the R&D Pack and got another batch of various R&D bits and bobs after the one that came in my lockbox.
When I looked more closely at the shuttle box, I remembered the Yellowstone was already unlocked on my account thanks to the Summer Giveaway you guys had back in 2013. (And I still haven't used it, heh) Too bad the box was bound. Ah well... delete.
The Lobi are probably the highlight in all the above, but even so, nothing especially impressive. S'ok, I'd've bought Zen anyway since it was on sale and I wanted to buy some more inventory/bank space, since you guys upped the max on that.
So Cryptic, mission success: A little extra to sweeten the deal. Little being the operative word, but hey I regret nothing, and still enjoyed the "excitement" of opening the boxes, thanks!
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If you read the description on the first time promotion thing in the zen store it states it explicitly. I claimed the first time zen promotion from the zen store on a KDF klingon and then the shuttles, in the zen store, were marked as available. I had never purchased either of these before and I have never received them from past freebies, I have only been playing since two days before the end of the winter event. I just went and confirmed that it is a dual-faction account-wide unlock by going on to my KDF-Romulan and claiming the shuttle (after my KDF Klingon had already claimed it). I then went onto two Fed toons and claimed the Yellowstone on both.
tldr: The shuttle unlock from the 'first time zen' promotion unlock both faction's shuttles for the entire account, retrievable through the zen store.
[edit] Could a dev please weigh in on this one and settle the matter, because either I'm correct and it is an account wide unlock or I was lucky enough to be on the receiving end of a very nice bug. [/edit]
The box the shuttle comes in is Character Bound, so it can not be transferred to a different toon. But I did log onto a rom with a different faction and she did get a shuttle unlock as well. I did not check any other toons since it was late.
Thanks, dont really use shuttles since I have the vet admiral shuttle already... but it is nice to get the extra unlocks for em.
i dont like shuttle play at all... would be different if you guys ever made it so you flew and played only via the cockpit view... make it more of a space fighter simulator experience.
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That's intentional and has been for a while. It's called a 'fraud prevention system' and puts a probationary period on the account. It was explained here by Cryptic http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1286371
Summary:
"New ZEN buyers and those with a limited purchase history may get temporarily flagged into the probation system. Once you have an established purchase history with us, the system is unlikely to trigger."
During the probationary period:
1)Any zen purchased can't be traded for dilithium in the dil exchange until the probation ends.
2)Any tradeable items purchased from the c-store (such as master keys and fleet ship modules) are bound to the user's account. After the probationary period these items will stay bound to account but any new items purchased can be traded.
3)All items obtained from lock boxes and the lobi store by the user will be bound to account. After the probationary period the items will stay bound but any new items can be traded.
"If you receive the warning about a C-Store purchase being bound-to-account and do not wish to have bound items, cancel your purchase and try again the next day. The probation status is removed from your account once the financial transaction is confirmed, which can take up to 10 days."
If it's an unlock then that would be good cause when they gave the Delta Flyer away in the EU it was a shuttle in a box and not an account wide unlock.
One thought tho - Could this become a permanent thing - Buy ZEN get some R&D stuff and some or at least one Key. As you said in the post: Rule of Acquisition # 191 It Never Hurts to Sweeten the Deal
Would make me want to buy more ZEN, I know this as a fact.
Keep up the good work!!!
Well done PWE for alienating your steam community even more. This will heavily playu in my future decisions to buy from the game in the future. :mad::mad:
The answer is easy. They don't want people playing from steam they want everyone playing from ARC. Back when Arc was first released they said they want all Cryptic/PWE games to be exclusive to Arc. My prediction is they will find a way to remove STO from steam at some point.
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And it's Bind To Character, not Account. So make sure your toon is the one you want to have the shuttle on.
Don't like that they're account bound stuff, especially the keys. Remember folks, anything you buy or earn from those keys becomes "toxic" and thus untradable too. Eg ships, items, etc you win from lockboxes opened with those keys and the associated lobi you earn from opening those, what you purchase from the lobi store with the toxic lobi becomes toxic (account bound) too.
User beware.
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You are still eligible, you just need to purchase zen now to get the package added to your account.
I'm telling you guys you are wrong, dead WRONG!
If you read the description on the first time promotion thing in the zen store it states it explicitly. I claimed the first time zen promotion from the zen store on a KDF klingon and then the shuttles, in the zen store, were marked as available. I had never purchased either of these before and I have never received them from past freebies, I have only been playing since two days before the end of the winter event. I just went and confirmed that it is a dual-faction account-wide unlock by going on to my KDF-Romulan and claiming the shuttle (after my KDF Klingon had already claimed it). I then went onto two Fed toons and claimed the Yellowstone on both.
tldr: The shuttle unlock from the 'first time zen' promotion unlock both faction's shuttles for the entire account, retrievable through the zen store.
[edit] Could a dev please weigh in on this one and settle the matter, because either I'm correct and it is an account wide unlock or I was lucky enough to be on the receiving end of a very nice bug. [/edit]
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=22279321&postcount=82
Not sure how it is if Fraud Prevention System takes place.
That seems a little deceptive to me, now I have 20 bucks sitting in my steam wallet and had to spend more money. For me it's not a huge deal I'll spend that on another game, even if I have to wait until the steam sales, and I know it's my fault for not reading first.
But when you have a huge caveat like that, I feel the warning should be more prominent
...maybe if we had specific guidelines as to what triggered it,
maybe if accounts over a year old were exempt from it,
maybe if the Bound state were removed when the transaction was verified,
maybe if you just didn't give us Zen until the transaction was verified,
etc.
The promo is a neat idea, though. Thanks for that, at least.
Steam takes 30-50% tax.
Incorrect, i traded away the items from the lock boxes that i opened with the bound keys, in this instance you're allowed to trade the items and there was a PWE post a couple of pages before your post about it
I have no way of testing this as I already have both of the shuttles unlocked on my account.
Now I'm looking at STO's version and I have to wonder...
WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!?
Yellowstone: Been given away at least twice and once unlocked is unlocked for all Federation characters.
Todoj Fighter: Ditto.
I realize you guys are too busy to come up with something unique just for this pack and were probably pushed into making it to begin with, but my recommendation would have been to just ignore those requests and keep going like you're going. This is just a joke.
I didn't know about the promotion so getting something extra was a nice surprise.
Yes. Romulans.
Using my keys I opened three Vaadwaur Lockboxes and got a polaron weapons pack (which contained a sniper rifle that sold on the exchange for 28,888EC), an R&D Pack (various), a 100Mark booster, and the three combined got me 14 Lobi.
The Large XP Boost I used on my Main and it was consumed with one Finish of all my DOff missions I had running while at work (I had some pretty impressive crits). So thanks for the 10k extra XP.
I opened the R&D Pack and got another batch of various R&D bits and bobs after the one that came in my lockbox.
When I looked more closely at the shuttle box, I remembered the Yellowstone was already unlocked on my account thanks to the Summer Giveaway you guys had back in 2013. (And I still haven't used it, heh) Too bad the box was bound. Ah well... delete.
The Lobi are probably the highlight in all the above, but even so, nothing especially impressive. S'ok, I'd've bought Zen anyway since it was on sale and I wanted to buy some more inventory/bank space, since you guys upped the max on that.
So Cryptic, mission success: A little extra to sweeten the deal. Little being the operative word, but hey I regret nothing, and still enjoyed the "excitement" of opening the boxes, thanks!
You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
The box the shuttle comes in is Character Bound, so it can not be transferred to a different toon. But I did log onto a rom with a different faction and she did get a shuttle unlock as well. I did not check any other toons since it was late.
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Actually, there are quite a few games in the industry that do something like this.
i dont like shuttle play at all... would be different if you guys ever made it so you flew and played only via the cockpit view... make it more of a space fighter simulator experience.
Anyway, it was arc only, so the zen I just bought through steam (thx people for buying my cards btw) were pretty much useless for this offer ?
Should have read more carefully.