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BOff Training System Bugs Reporting Thread
pwecaptainsmirk
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Please reply here with any bugs or concerns found after the launch of the new BOff Training System on 1/29 on the Holodeck Server.
Please only report bugs or problems here so we can keep the thread focused on Fixes, not on opinions of why individual users are unhappy with the system. We value feedback and want our players to be happy and enjoy our product, but for the sake of fixing current issues, we want to keep this a technical thread.
Any discussions about new systems should be direct to the General Discussion Sub-forum.
Thanks everyone, and please be patient as our Dev team is working on fixes to the current problems experienced after our launch today.
~CaptainSmirk
Please only report bugs or problems here so we can keep the thread focused on Fixes, not on opinions of why individual users are unhappy with the system. We value feedback and want our players to be happy and enjoy our product, but for the sake of fixing current issues, we want to keep this a technical thread.
Any discussions about new systems should be direct to the General Discussion Sub-forum.
Thanks everyone, and please be patient as our Dev team is working on fixes to the current problems experienced after our launch today.
~CaptainSmirk
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I have 6 points in Squad Command, a ground power which always seemed odd to me anyway, but it's in the tooltip.
[EDIT] I have checked on another toon and it apparently works for them, they only have 3 points in squad command
I reserve the right to have a completely different standpoint depending on my mood.
Space skills are out of whack, but the inactive boffs were intact and I just switched them out.
I know that you can switch the Skills individually...but THEY ARE NOT THERE. The Skills of many of my Boffs are Replaced with others, and their Original Skill that they had is no longer avaible....thats just Annoying -_-
This affects the following toons:
Catalie Portman@morden613
Jalad@morden613
Catleesi Targaryen@morden613
Vala Mal Doran@morden613
This affects the Commander Tac BOFF of the above.
Thankfully my BOFFs that have BO3 still have it or trust me, this would be more of an epic rage that would get me banned from the forum.
After logging into the game, after finding my BOFF skills were screwed with, after I already messed with them and saved the loadout, you're telling me there was a workaround. WHY DIDN'T YOU MAKE THIS PUBLIC IN A NEWS POST instead of the "oh yeah, by the way.."? I lost those abilities, Craptic will probably never give them back without me working for them.
And you couldn't have made this info more public why?
Give me my BOFF powers back, that you took away. That's all I want.
You couldn't have done this in a different way, perhaps? Or an in-game notice or something?
(And I think I'm entitled to rage because Craptic screwed up.)
*insert much swearing here*
I already had all the high-end skills. They are now gone.
If you are incapable of changing a system without having it break, Do Not Change What's Not Broken. Especially since it ends up breaking as a result.
I don't need and will not retrain my boffs. My playing is now dependent upon your fixing the system so I do not have to retrain everything. I will not continually repair all my toons while your development team keep fiddling with mechanics that don't need to be changed.
End of discussion.
Or don't change something without extensive player testing, ironing out all bugs first, and listening to player feedback (not ignoring it). But Cryptic seems to be incapable of doing so. They insist on releasing buggy features, buggy content without testing.
You wouldn't even know they had a test server. They don't use it much, do they?
I wonder if there's a timeline where content/features have to be rolled out by x date, or else?
So they again Managed to Break, what was working on Tribble......i....i just dont know what to say anymore.....*Ultra SAD Face*:(
Unfortunately I have to agree with that. Borticus posted a workaround but I didn't get what I have to do. Maybe it's just me being not a native speaker but it's sad anyways.
The workaround's not great. Basically as players, we still need to spend time repairing all of our boffs by going through them one by one, and reslotting all of our skills. For someone like me, with many toons and a range of boffs for each toon, the whole thing is a nightmare. The only (very very very small) consolation is that I can now train my non-swappable boffs (Android and Borg) in the previously-unavailable high-end skills. It's still not worth the mountain of work Cryptic has dumped on players however.
I'll make a step by step shortly, to explain how to repair boffs.
I stand by my original sentiment that it should never have been changed under these conditions.
EDIT: I've added that Step-By-Step, and adding a couple of images to show what you should be seeing (though today Steam's decided to be problematic too which is great timing). I'd also add to my annoyance, that changing the graphic representation of the skills means also having to read the name of each skill. When you're someone like me, with something like 120 boffs (I'm not exaggerating), this whole fiddle is just one huge annoyance.
Also there seems to be major issues with newly trained intel boffs. Most of the time they just ignore any power you try to select and keep their default. Or lets you select and then the bug mentioned above happens when you change maps.
I went to the officers skills and I can see it and equip it on the ground but as soon as I return to my ship Tac Team I becomes torpedo high yield 1 (Useless to me). I cannot change it back to TT1 no matter what I do because it will only equip if I am on the ground and not while in my ship where I actually need it.
Please fix this as it is extremely frustrating. Also please test your patches before you release them on Holodeck.
UPDATE ***** I found that if I leave the area, and select my load-out it will but my space skills right.
Hopefully they will fix this annoying bug soon.
Same problem, Dyson Science Destroyer T5-U, Commander Tactical station is not in the list of powers that can be slotted to the power tray, nor does it show up on the BOFF tray, so there is no way to use this power on the ship.
Joined January 2009
One of my boffs is showing "Fire At Will 2" in an Ensign slot. That's on top of the "Suddenly five boff skill slots, but only three able to have a skill in them" from earlier.
This latest bit of busywork was just so well designed :mad:
Queueing the action in R&D consumes a PADD and a slot for crafting, except the icon/description for what's being crafting is blank. Waiting 30s for the item to finish on the description screen (and then clickng "Collect Resut") produces nothing. Exiting the description screen with automatically remove the queue'd crafting from the R&D listing with no items gained, no buttons clicked.
I've attempted to make this ability 3 times, exact same problem each time. Emergency Power to Weapons 3 was successfully created, no problems.
I've attempted this action only on a KDF toon. Said toon has 9 ranks of Starship Auxillary Performance.
Toon's name: Isunno
Location where attempted: DS9
This is vaguely worded at best.
As near as I can decipher, paragraphs two and three are contradictory. If the BOFF was slotted to an "active Station" (whatever that is), why do you need to "select from the appropriate UI on the Stations Tab"?
Next, it just isn't true. I CAN decipher that they're claiming no BOFFs lost their skills, but that simply is not true. Many of my BOFFs lost many of their skills. Also, the BOFFs I had stationed on my ship were removed or even changed. Most of my toons now have ships with no bridge officers, but the few that still had BOFFs assigned had different ones assigned than I had when I logged out prior to the patch. I suspect that is what paragraph two is saying (poorly).
By the HUGE number of sticky threads for all manner of bugs for this latest patch, we can clearly see that they have anticipated that there will be bugs. That brings me to a very basic principle of all sciences (including computer sciences): When making changes, do not make so many changes that you cannot tell which change had what effect (see http://www.butunclebob.com/ArticleS.UncleBob.PrinciplesOfOod for a programming example of the concept).
Yet, here we are with a patch that has the event, new skill icons, new BOFF skill system, and some other various smaller things. The first three listed items should each be their own separate patch. I understand that PWE wanted the new skill icons rolled out with the new BOFF skill system, but it was misguided, to be polite. If I were cynical, I would suggest that the reason they changed the skill icons at the same time they changed the BOFF skill system was to obfuscate the number of BOFFs that got skills changed.
I can only see one reasonable solution to this current situation (even though I am reasonably sure it won't happen): Go into emergency maintenance immediately. Roll back the servers to before the patch (yes, including what players have done since). Credit everyone who logged in since the patch with a) 8,000 dil b) the daily Qmendations c) some compensatory "we're sorry" gift for each character on that account (regardless of whether they logged in with that toon or not). Restart the servers in their state PRIOR to the anniversary patch.
Subsequent to that, the anniversary event could be delayed a week to give them time to strip out the BOFF skill system from the patch. Then, the anniversary event could go on as planned (though a week late) and give players a chance at enjoying the event whilst giving PWE a chance to fix the bugs with that patch (which will undoubtedly still be an issue even with the event a week late).
At some time further in the future, the new icons could be implemented to give players time to get used to all the new icons prior to any new BOFF training system. Finally, the new BOFF training system could be implemented when all the other problems have been resolved (or the anniversary event is over) with bug fixes implemented (PRIOR to going live) that will ensure that players will not lose their BOFF skills again.
And to get totally pie-in-the-sky, they should fix the load out bugs that cause BOFFs to be removed from their stations prior to implementing the new BOFF training system. This should be done because again, players get used to certain BOFFs being stationed on their ships, but they may not track too carefully which BOFF is where. Most, however do know that when they press 7, gravity well 3 is used (or whatever). It would be far easier for everyone to track bugs and report problems when they can still see their BOFFs slotted where they were except with whatever buggy skills they have instead of the ones they should.
I know such a solution would upset people who spent hours trying to do pretty much anything, but it is far less upsetting to at least have what you had before with a small token thrown in for the wasted time than to have every player be forced to go through each toon and re-train BOFFs, potentially spending considerable dil in the process, to get things back to where they were prior to the patch. As it stands, if a player wishes to play the ship they had before the patch with the skills each BOFF had before the patch, PWE is "forcing players to re-acquire them".
According to the devs, you need at least 10 points in intelligence or command to train a boff in that specialization. I've seen several players with intel maxed who CANNOT train boffs into intelligence specialization.