Cars are an important part of human society. A video game based on Star Trek is not. It's entertainment.
I think cultural historians and any scholar who values the importance of popular culture would disagree with you. Video games have been a hugely important part of human culture during the last 35 years. They define childhood. They now bridge generational divides in families. They also allow virtual travel as an alternative to physical travel with all of its dangers and environmental effects. They are experiential components of most Western and many non-Western cultures.
You can't dismiss pop culture. Pop culture is mass culture. Mass culture is an incredibly important part of human society.
Anyway, I won't let you operate on my teeth, but feel free to play my foundries.
But c okay when it's the playerbase. They're the Real(tm) Star Trek fans.
When Cryptic is guilty of it, they obviously don't pay attention to detail or watch Star Trek.
Morally, they're both just as bad but from a business perspective, when a company does it's worse because they are being paid to do it, the customers are not.
I don't think there is, personally. If it's an easily forgettable ship (even as a lockbox ship), then I really can't fault them for not paying attention.
I hold them to the same kind of standard I hold other players. If the players have to actually go back with a fine-toothed comb to nitpick? Sure, report it and maybe get it altered.
But to expect Cryptic to pay attention when everybody else didn't (up until now) is hypocrisy. Even if it's a lockbox ship.
Really wasn't nitpicking, or going over anything Cryptic related with a fine toothed comb.
Just watching some Voyager episodes during some unexpected downtime. Discovered that the ship in game, (that I own btw) flies backwards and pointed it out.
At no point did I say that Cryptic doesn't know their TRIBBLE from their elbow.
Don't wanna turn this into another "Poor Cryptic's gettin picked on again." situation, because it's not.
But with a lockbox ship flyin TRIBBLE backwards, they could expect a little Good-natured ribbin. It's actually kinda funny.
I'm hoping they will see the difference between this and a flame post. Unless they are that uptight that they don't like their mistakes pointed out to them.
Not every post requires the activation of the defense force.
I don't think there is, personally. If it's an easily forgettable ship (even as a lockbox ship), then I really can't fault them for not paying attention.
I hold them to the same kind of standard I hold other players. If the players have to actually go back with a fine-toothed comb to nitpick? Sure, report it and maybe get it altered.
But to expect Cryptic to pay attention when everybody else didn't (up until now) is hypocrisy. Even if it's a lockbox ship.
That's amusing. I wouldn't ever hold a dev to the same as a player. Especially a dev team that barely plays the game (except Taco, he's cool). Their job is to create items and get them working ingame, our job is to have fun playing it resulting in their financial improvement.
Using us as beta testers the entire time is pretty unprofessional but for it to be us to pick up a fault like a ship that's going backwards (even if forgettable) is pretty poor QA. TBH it's not hard to give the material from Voyager about the Benthan ships a once over to check it's all good, something that obviously didn't happen...
I don't expect them to be miracle workers, but I do expect a minimum level of professionalism. Something that is frequently lacking.
Chris Robert's on SC:
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
I don't think there is, personally. If it's an easily forgettable ship (even as a lockbox ship), then I really can't fault them for not paying attention.
I hold them to the same kind of standard I hold other players. If the players have to actually go back with a fine-toothed comb to nitpick? Sure, report it and maybe get it altered.
But to expect Cryptic to pay attention when everybody else didn't (up until now) is hypocrisy. Even if it's a lockbox ship.
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This is not some indie studio. Having the ship backward is a simply put embarrassing display of poor quality work. Nothing more, nothing less.
(honestly I personally don't really care, but to marginalize such a basic error :rolleyes:)
lol! noticed something else. in vis a vis they home planet of the Benthans is Bentha. that blog says Benthos.
It's things like this that make me think the players need to go through every little detail in STO and post a massive list of corrections along with submitting them to CBS to ensure it happens faster than the current turnaround time for most things that have yet to be fixed. :P
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You are correct. The Benthan ships didn't sit right with me ever since I've seen them in the game. They seemed wrong somehow but I couldn't put my finger on it. I just chalked up to my own bias.
Not saying it isn't a possible oversight, but it was apparently an oversight that nobody paid attention to up until now. Clearly, it was not that noticable.
We aren't the ones creating the game. Not many of us rewatched voyager more then once. I wouldn't guess anyone would remember a ship that shows up 2-3 times for 2-6s at most on screen.
Its not hypocrisy to point out that people making money of the recreation of such ships in a game should have at least watched the few seconds of screen time the ship got.
To be honest a mistake like this makes me doubt they even work off stills. As in any of the stills it would have been just as obvious which was was forward... or at the very least left it unclear in which case anyone doing there job would have found a clip. lol
I'm sure the beathen is one of the lightwave models they have recieved from CBS. They just copied the file and perhaps updated a few things on it here and there... its cool that they are reusing the models from the show... its not cool that there so lazy as to not have even looked at how they where used on the show.
Anyway this thread has given me a good chuckle... I can now close the STO forums for another week or so while I play more fun games.
Hmph. It'd been years since I watched Voyager, and I haven't flown a Benthan Assault Cruiser myself, but I suppose it would make sense that the blue balls would be below and behind the main fuselage. Is there a Voyager Technical Readout or somesuch that clarifies why the Benthan craft have blue balls and what purpose they serve? At a guess, it looks like they were intended to be the equivalent of more conventional nacelles on other Star Trek starships...
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
Actually the 5 view from Drex Files on that site shows pretty clearly where the Impulse engines are (yellow blobs at the back).
Chris Robert's on SC:
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
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I think cultural historians and any scholar who values the importance of popular culture would disagree with you. Video games have been a hugely important part of human culture during the last 35 years. They define childhood. They now bridge generational divides in families. They also allow virtual travel as an alternative to physical travel with all of its dangers and environmental effects. They are experiential components of most Western and many non-Western cultures.
You can't dismiss pop culture. Pop culture is mass culture. Mass culture is an incredibly important part of human society.
Anyway, I won't let you operate on my teeth, but feel free to play my foundries.
Teeth grow back if I ever mess up.
Morally, they're both just as bad but from a business perspective, when a company does it's worse because they are being paid to do it, the customers are not.
But this ship finds the reverse with default comfort. That seems to be the opposite of that song.
Still, shoot to kill, shoot to kill...
That is consistent with STO.
Really wasn't nitpicking, or going over anything Cryptic related with a fine toothed comb.
Just watching some Voyager episodes during some unexpected downtime. Discovered that the ship in game, (that I own btw) flies backwards and pointed it out.
At no point did I say that Cryptic doesn't know their TRIBBLE from their elbow.
Don't wanna turn this into another "Poor Cryptic's gettin picked on again." situation, because it's not.
But with a lockbox ship flyin TRIBBLE backwards, they could expect a little Good-natured ribbin. It's actually kinda funny.
I'm hoping they will see the difference between this and a flame post. Unless they are that uptight that they don't like their mistakes pointed out to them.
Not every post requires the activation of the defense force.
That's amusing. I wouldn't ever hold a dev to the same as a player. Especially a dev team that barely plays the game (except Taco, he's cool). Their job is to create items and get them working ingame, our job is to have fun playing it resulting in their financial improvement.
Using us as beta testers the entire time is pretty unprofessional but for it to be us to pick up a fault like a ship that's going backwards (even if forgettable) is pretty poor QA. TBH it's not hard to give the material from Voyager about the Benthan ships a once over to check it's all good, something that obviously didn't happen...
I don't expect them to be miracle workers, but I do expect a minimum level of professionalism. Something that is frequently lacking.
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
Yeah, about that ...
Obviously the devs knew about the Benthan ship being backwards and are laughing that it took us this long to realize it.
Not sure that is obvious. This part is just a sweet bonus.
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This is not some indie studio. Having the ship backward is a simply put embarrassing display of poor quality work. Nothing more, nothing less.
(honestly I personally don't really care, but to marginalize such a basic error :rolleyes:)
lol! noticed something else. in vis a vis they home planet of the Benthans is Bentha. that blog says Benthos.
It's things like this that make me think the players need to go through every little detail in STO and post a massive list of corrections along with submitting them to CBS to ensure it happens faster than the current turnaround time for most things that have yet to be fixed. :P
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Anyone know if Benthos and Diet Coke make the bottle implode into subspace?
lolz! hahhahahahahaha !
You are correct. The Benthan ships didn't sit right with me ever since I've seen them in the game. They seemed wrong somehow but I couldn't put my finger on it. I just chalked up to my own bias.
We aren't the ones creating the game. Not many of us rewatched voyager more then once. I wouldn't guess anyone would remember a ship that shows up 2-3 times for 2-6s at most on screen.
Its not hypocrisy to point out that people making money of the recreation of such ships in a game should have at least watched the few seconds of screen time the ship got.
To be honest a mistake like this makes me doubt they even work off stills. As in any of the stills it would have been just as obvious which was was forward... or at the very least left it unclear in which case anyone doing there job would have found a clip. lol
I'm sure the beathen is one of the lightwave models they have recieved from CBS. They just copied the file and perhaps updated a few things on it here and there... its cool that they are reusing the models from the show... its not cool that there so lazy as to not have even looked at how they where used on the show.
Anyway this thread has given me a good chuckle... I can now close the STO forums for another week or so while I play more fun games.
never underestimate star trek fans. the only reason star trek isn't classified as a religion in most counties is none of them agree on anything. :P
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
What surprises me is that it took us this long for this to be found out.
So...the ship come to you. you can perfectly see where the head and a** are !
too lazy to add in game benthan pic with same angle but feel free to modify to better help Cryptic.
Thanx you everyone....
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Benthan
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/drex/benthan-views.jpg
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/drex/benthan-angled.jpg
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/factfiles/bothan-cgi.jpg
"You don't have to do something again and again and again repetitive that doesn't have much challange, that's just a general good gameplay thing."
My money is on a graphical error, similar to a reporting bug.