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Something's really wrong with the Benthan Assault Cruiser

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  • thedoctorblueboxthedoctorbluebox Member Posts: 749 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I can't believe this has been broken this long, and not one developer or management noticed it.

    So much for quality control.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    I can't believe this has been broken this long, and not one developer or management noticed it.

    So much for quality control.

    That is not shocking. Cryptic could have decided that they were fixing the ship by using their creative license to match what the ship designer wanted not what was shown in Voyager. Cryptic has done it before by creating the Heavy Escort Carrier since the Akira's ship designer wanted a hangar on it. What is shocking is that it took this long for Star Trek fans to realize it didn't match the ship used in Voyager.
  • ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited January 2015
    starkaos wrote: »
    That is not shocking. Cryptic could have decided that they were fixing the ship by using their creative license to match what the ship designer wanted not what was shown in Voyager. Cryptic has done it before by creating the Heavy Escort Carrier since the Akira's ship designer wanted a hangar on it. What is shocking is that it took this long for Star Trek fans to realize it didn't match the ship used in Voyager.

    To be honest - I hated Voyager. Personally never considered it canon ;)
  • dalmaciusdalmacius Member Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Actually, the ships in the video do look like they were flying them what we consider backwards to our given ships in the game. It makes more sense flying it backwards to what we are used to. It would look more like a bug in space if we use them as they are in the video. Bugs do have their bulbous thingy in the rear, and their different complicated graplers and antenae in the front...the way they are in the video. If we find our ships better the way it is, it is only because we have gotten used to them the way they have presented the ships to us in the game. I would rather get them the correct way as seen in Voyager. Mind you, they would have to redo the bridge, as well, unless it says that you are beaming to operations and not to the bridge. Anyway, in the present bridge one cannot see space on their window view where the Account Bank is located, so maybe it would be simpler if it was operations, otherwise, it would entail more grafic changes which will cost more. Or just put a view screen looking out in space on the other side (where you find the small ship selector) and place the captain's chair, but leave the rest as is.

    I don't expect Cryptic to go through the process of correcting this mistake, as this would take resources that they had already spent during the design for the Delta Rising repeated which would add to costs. However, we never know.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    dalmacius wrote: »
    Actually, the ships in the video do look like they were flying them what we consider backwards to our given ships in the game. It make more sense flying it backwards to what we use. It would look more like a bug in space if we use them as they are in the video. Bugs do have their bulbous thingy in the rear, and their different complicated graplers and antenae in the front...the way their are in the video. If we find our ships better the way it is, it is only that we have gotten used to them as they way they are in the game. I would rather get them the correct way as the Voyager Series designed them.

    Will you refund me the amount spent on it?
  • dalmaciusdalmacius Member Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Are you asking me to refund your money? Ask Cryptic for a refund. Why would you want a refund? Didn't you spend for Keys to the Luck boxes to get this T6 ship? Or if you bought them in the exchange you knew it looked the way it looks now....ugly. I have one myself and it is quite a sturdy ship. It doesn't matter how it looks, but I would rather have them move the they are supposed to.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    dalmacius wrote: »
    Are you asking me to refund your money? Ask Cryptic for a refund. Why would you want a refund? Didn't you spend for Keys to the Luck boxes to get this T6 ship? Or if you bought them in the exchange you knew it looked the way it looks now....ugly. I have one myself and it is quite a sturdy ship. It doesn't matter how it looks, but I would rather have them move the they are supposed to.

    I knew how it looked when I went after one. I knew the direction Cryptic had it flying when I did so. I couldn't have fathomed it flying the other direction. A few seconds, if that, of garbage footage from VOY doesn't change that.

    In an IP so full of retcons, whimsical changes, stories that made no sense...Star Trek canon simply isn't, imho, the thing many folks cling to as if it were...well...biblical.
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    hmm. It looks to have 2 revolver looking guns or torp launchers facing the (sto) forward but they could be engines that are supposed to face aft for all I know about the hardware.
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    starkaos wrote: »
    What is shocking is that it took this long for Star Trek fans to realize it didn't match the ship used in Voyager.

    Watched Voyager series once when it came out, have had no desire to see it again. It was horrible. Don't even remember the Benthans and never cared for how this ship looked (coming or going :D)
    Sometimes I think I play STO just to have something to complain about on the forums.
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Watched Voyager series once when it came out, have had no desire to see it again. It was horrible. Don't even remember the Benthans and never cared for how this ship looked (coming or going :D)

    That is the truth. It looks like a flying sex toy. Good ship, but honestly.
  • nickodaemusnickodaemus Member Posts: 711 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    noroblad wrote: »
    That is the truth. It looks like a flying sex toy. Good ship, but honestly.


    Guess you've missed out on the Voth Bulwark. That thing is straight out of somebody's erotic massager box and onto the drawing board.
  • fovrelfovrel Member Posts: 1,448 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    What is actually the problem here? It doesn't even look as a space ship. Take a picture and ask people what it is, as spaceship? whatever.

    Ship design in STO is like, we want to have a new ship, it should look like something completely different. A lot of ships do look better when you turn them arround or flip them over.
  • mhirtescmhirtesc Member Posts: 581 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Seriously, just how badly can you Fail at something like this?
  • heckgoblinheckgoblin Member Posts: 685
    edited January 2015
    Easy fix: Give the Benthan cruiser the ability to move as quickly in reverse as it does forward :p
    I AM WAR.
  • zeven2004zeven2004 Member Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    Benthan Assault Cruiser to Cryptic team:

    "Why didn't anyone tell me my *** was this big?"

    http://i.imgur.com/PWpctzS.png
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    fovrel wrote: »
    What is actually the problem here? It doesn't even look as a space ship. Take a picture and ask people what it is, as spaceship? whatever.

    Ship design in STO is like, we want to have a new ship, it should look like something completely different. A lot of ships do look better when you turn them arround or flip them over.

    what does a "space ship" look like, though? Its a vessel crafted by an alien race that does not think like people.

    Our "real" ships that actually go into space are all built for atmospheric conditions for launch and recovery, something that is not necessary in ST universe. A ship in ST can look like *anything* really, so long as its not required to land on planets. That would beg a question of how artificial gravity works --- the shape would be dictated somewhat by how those fields are generated, which would be (science??) spherical most likely. Or you can do the old trick of a spinning wheel that uses inertia as "gravity".

    To me the warships with obvious "leader is here, shoot this area" "heads" are poorly designed in a universe where shields don't actually do anything (get hit, hull is hurt and ppl die, no matter what, in ST universe). Duh. Its not an airplane with a window. Its a ship, use a camera to look forward, and put the captain in an armored safe place.

    They don't need wings. They don't need random protrusions that can be shot off. The designs are amusing and impractical, by and large.
  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,894 Arc User
    edited January 2015
    noroblad wrote: »
    what does a "space ship" look like, though? Its a vessel crafted by an alien race that does not think like people.

    Our "real" ships that actually go into space are all built for atmospheric conditions for launch and recovery, something that is not necessary in ST universe. A ship in ST can look like *anything* really, so long as its not required to land on planets. That would beg a question of how artificial gravity works --- the shape would be dictated somewhat by how those fields are generated, which would be (science??) spherical most likely. Or you can do the old trick of a spinning wheel that uses inertia as "gravity".

    To me the warships with obvious "leader is here, shoot this area" "heads" are poorly designed in a universe where shields don't actually do anything (get hit, hull is hurt and ppl die, no matter what, in ST universe). Duh. Its not an airplane with a window. Its a ship, use a camera to look forward, and put the captain in an armored safe place.

    They don't need wings. They don't need random protrusions that can be shot off. The designs are amusing and impractical, by and large.

    Star/trek artificial gravity is generated by deck plating and has verry short range horizontally but moderate range vertically. Its basically like lights pointed up out of the floor.
  • reximuzreximuz Member Posts: 1,172 Arc User
    edited February 2015
    This thread is funny. Voyager got it wrong, Cryptic taking it from the official source got it right.

    The Official Akira Layout

    http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/cruiser_nx.jpg

    The Official Benthan Layout

    I've looked at dozens of schematic layouts of known ships, and they all point the same way. So, obviously the ship in Vis a Vis was either backing up, or they flubbed it in post production, but the blue blob goes in the front.
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