just 2 weeks ago there were +20 active zones with hundreds of players on dyson ground.
Now.... 5 almost empty zones.
Great changes Cryptic... great changes.
You keep ruining the entire game bit by bit... everything players liked to play has been ruined in the past weeks.
To me and for sure many other players it looks like your only interest is to get this game closed asap.
Guess what... you are on the best way to achieve this.
In fairness most people are probably in the winterland grinding for winter event stuff which is why the dyson zones are empty. With that said I know I probably won't be returning to dyson ground after these changes. I used to do it because it was a fairly easy source of dilithium and it was pretty fun (which is saying something since I hate ground stuff). I did do the dino tagging, but I wasn't a leach. I'd run around capin zones until the rex's got released and usually end up helping kill at least two of them.
I'm not really sure why they keep chasing players away from all content with these reward nerfs. With every patch comes a new nerf and I'm a little more annoyed. If they are trying to get people to spend money by nerfing rewards everywhere it's certainly not helping their case with me. The more annoyed I get the longer my wallet stays shut to them as that's my only recourse other then quitting which I'm not quite ready to do yet. I still have a little hope things will get better.
Don;t worry after the weekend when a larger percentage of the player base come back and play VBZ and find out how its been nerfed there will be no issue getting the full reward as the area will be like the PvE queues, "DEAD JIM" so soloing it will guarantee the full reward payout,
10,080 Dil is the amount you DID get from the dailies, capping as much as you can and killing all 3 Vrexes, that's one run and should take 45 min with an active zone, if you got that much in two runs I think you don't need to be Roger Penrose to work out how much it's been nerfed.
45 has always been the Dil for a transporter and 90 has always been the dil for a single point, so they have not been increased, it simply means that you need to participate more than just a single shot in order to gain that reward. The only missing bit is going to be the three Vrexes and the final reward, as soon as I get a chance I'll check that out.
I have noticed no change I was getting shortchanged in a few places before due to the people running around doing wierd stuff because i would be murdered at dinos and have to respawn etc.
I dont jump maps i start in one area and move from point to point it was probably over about 10k but i dont like to over estimate as i can't remember what I started with. Lets put it this way for people who play the map as it should be played and dont try to tag everything all at once the game has improved. People stayed put today for the most part. The only time I got 5 dilithium was if i was finished capping a point and as i was moving towards another point I passed through and helped some guy finish his faster on they way by. There is nothing wrong with the changes its fair your rewarded for the work you actually do. This change was much needed people just need to adapt.
I have never seen maps flip so fast as I have today. My frustration level was not through the roof as people half completed something and left me standing by myself with one other guy.
No one was ranting about being left to solo one of the harder points. It was GREAT!
If anything I got more for my time and not less because those maps flipped so fast my head spun.
and i didnt simply jump into the zones just before they were finished... ive spent several minutes there... killing voth... activating devices... defending the zone while capturing was running
5 dil reward... that was all i got
when playing dyson ground ive always done my work and captured zones
just 2 weeks ago there were +20 active zones with hundreds of players on dyson ground.
Now.... 5 almost empty zones.
Great changes Cryptic... great changes.
You keep ruining the entire game bit by bit... everything players liked to play has been ruined in the past weeks.
To me and for sure many other players it looks like your only interest is to get this game closed asap.
Guess what... you are on the best way to achieve this.
Yeah, that has nothing to do with this change. The 114 zones currently open in Wonderland is what's going on there. :P
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
True alters don't have a "main". Account wide unlocks for all unique event rewards!!
and i didnt simply jump into the zones just before they were finished... ive spent several minutes there... killing voth... activating devices... defending the zone while capturing was running
5 dil reward... that was all i got
nope there were instances where transporters would reward less (i know this because it happened to me a lot)
as for the 5 today if you were not there for any length of time then you likely only got 5. I had no problem today I would capture maybe 4 or 5 points max before the entire map was blue since there are groups on seperate areas. Then it was dino time and each time I made it to 2 dinos and got dilithium 720 plus the dailies. The maps flipped faster because people not trying to get credit for every point on the map. I think it took me about an hour to run it twice the first time it was a partial run the second run was a full run.
anyhow the changes are good. I did it on a science officer even who is not a huge dps machine because he is only partially geared right now. It was the best experience I have had in dyson for a very long time. I thank cryptic for fixing that mess .... I was starting to avoid the zone even though I enjoy ground warzones.
nope there were instances where transporters would reward less (i know this because it happened to me a lot)
as for the 5 today if you were not there for any length of time then you likely only got 5. I had no problem today I would capture maybe 4 or 5 points max before the entire map was blue since there are groups on seperate areas. Then it was dino time and each time I made it to 2 dinos and got dilithium 720 plus the dailies. The maps flipped faster because people not trying to get credit for every point on the map. I think it took me about an hour to run it twice the first time it was a partial run the second run was a full run.
anyhow the changes are good. I did it on a science officer even who is not a huge dps machine because he is only partially geared right now. It was the best experience I have had in dyson for a very long time. I thank cryptic for fixing that mess .... I was starting to avoid the zone even though I enjoy ground warzones.
I already said that I did not spent just a few seconds in these zones. I captured them from the beginning to the end.
You're talking that final reward after all three dinos die, right?
I've noticed myself that this final reward is "variable" based on a lot more than one thing. To wit:
If I participate in a "full sector run", getting full credit for capping each and every sector in, say, the outskirts, then participate in the final battle hitting only outskirts dino, and none of the Omega particle levels falls to the point that we hear "the Voth are getting particles" or whatever he says, I get 5 VCIs and piles of Dil.
If I only catch a couple of points then do a one-dino kill, and the particle warning stays silent (aka medics are dealt with) - I might get about 2k dil with my 5 VCIs.
Full run, but someone slacks on medics and the punk pipes up? I wind up with like 3 VCIs and a lot less final reward Dil.
Catch one dino as the only thing I do in an instance and have a silo fall below 50%? Drop in bucket levels of Dil...
Hmm I've never seen that much variety. In my experience it's been three things that determine final reward: number of zones capped, number of dinos tagged and number of dinos killed.
Assuming all three dinos are killed:
- If it's less than 5 zones tagged then it's just over half the total reward even if you tag all three dinos.
- Two dinos tagged is half the reward. It's possible one dino is half of even that but I've never done just one dino. I've also never gotten the full reward with just one or two dinos.
- 5 or more zones capped + all three dinos tagged gives full reward. This is the only acceptable outcome if you've been bothering to cap zones, so why would someone reduce their dilithium reward by not tagging? Especially when tagging does not fail the instance? It's very rare that I see an instance fail to kill all three dinos even with everyone tagging, because of the nature of tagging.
Rewards change if not all dinos are killed. That rarely happens in my experience. I also don't remember what the new rewards are but it used to be about 3100 dilithium for full reward and a little over 1600 for partial reward, not including dailies or individual zones or anything. Just what it gives you when the third dino dies.
That does make me wonder how people would get way more dilithium than I did. Some claim they can get way more than that in the course of an hour and I still can't figure out how unless they're instance hopping and tagging and that's it.
I already said that I did not spent just a few seconds in these zones. I captured them from the beginning to the end.
then your bugged and you need to submit a report because that is not the way it works. If your there shooting or healing or something then you will get your 90 dilithium and whatnot. If your there at the tail end you get 5. If you arrive a few seconds before the thing is capped you get nothing
Hmm I've never seen that much variety. In my experience it's been three things that determine final reward: number of zones capped, number of dinos tagged and number of dinos killed.
There isnt that much variety. I personally am not fussy I kill 2 dinos usually sometimes 3 and occassionally only 1 the rest its just capturing today because people were not doing wierd things I got to capture more then a couple of points because people were not half starting them and then running away and leaving me to finish while they did an easy one (usually they would tag the harder ones get them full of agro and then run away) it was annoying as all getout. Others I think did a lot of instance hoping. Anyhow there is no nerf that I can see the quantity I come away with for my time seems about the same or maybe better because its not such a frustrating experience.
writing a report?
well my last +10 reports got completely ignored by the devs
they simply dont care if something this game is bugged... at least as long players have a disadvantage in gameplay
Im still waiting for a ticket to be answered that ive submitted 5 weeks ago.
next to that dont i think that this is a bug... we experienced such an incredible amount of nerfs in the past weeks and have been lied at by the dev... this issue fits very well into that picture.
I appreciate every change against leechers. But what they did here is a simple nerf again. No way to tag 3 dinos any more, except you are running the zone with your fleet. So I need to do 2 runs now instead of 1. It was the last resort for farming dil in an acceptable amount of time. That change is the final nail on the coffin for me.
Just did a bunch of runs to see the effect of the latest change. In one instance, I joined a area that was already in progress about half completed. Upon completion, I received 5 dilith no marks. One instance I started the area with a group right behind me. Did the whole area from start to finish, with my alt, 2 boffs, shards of possibilities, and security team. Upon completion only received 5 dilith.
In effect they have taken away any incentive to group, or help take a map.
At rex time, I stayed on one dino the whole time, I received no dilith, no marks no cybernetic implants.
This is a stab in the back to loyal players. They increased dilith earnings in battlezone, and cut it like this.
The notes said "Previously, missions were being too generous with points for tasks that were not critical to missions and too penalizing on tasks that were critical for missions."
This is a stripping of the rewards at the most essential missions for map completion.
Just did a bunch of runs to see the effect of the latest change. In one instance, I joined a area that was already in progress about half completed. Upon completion, I received 5 dilith no marks. One instance I started the area with a group right behind me. Did the whole area from start to finish, with my alt, 2 boffs, shards of possibilities, and security team. Upon completion only received 5 dilith.
In effect they have taken away any incentive to group, or help take a map.
At rex time, I stayed on one dino the whole time, I received no dilith, no marks no cybernetic implants.
This is a stab in the back to loyal players. They increased dilith earnings in battlezone, and cut it like this.
The notes said "Previously, missions were being too generous with points for tasks that were not critical to missions and too penalizing on tasks that were critical for missions."
This is a stripping of the rewards at the most essential missions for map completion.
put in a bug report (i dont know you so take this with a grain of salt) assuming your honestly staying at points the entire time and are at the dino for a good portion of the time you should get implants and the dilithium as usual.
Maybe there is an issue with their system not reading info properly however I dont usually group because I am kdf with one exception and most people running that are well federation when I play. The zone should work wether your grouped or not since all factions are working as a unit in this case it should ignore grouping.
Ok, could someone sum this up for me as I won't be getting to this for a week or 2 myself.
If you fully capture say 5 zones and kill 1 Vrex what dilithium do you get? No more implants from the BZ?
No reward at all for tagging all 3 Vrex?
What's the new requirement for collecting command codes and calling reinforcements?
Thanks.
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I just completed the communications area in city of bz. I started it alone. Worked it 100% Had someone join me at the 1/3 mark. At completion I only received 5 dilith, no marks and no credit for completion toward Capture Voth Points. Now come on. I been playing for three years almost.
This is nuts there isNO incentive to take a map. Why would you alienate your players like this.
And worse no response from cryptic on this. This was not in patch notes. Is this an error that needs to be fixed? Or was this intentional to deprive the player of rewards. This is a grinder game. Still grinder game except there is little or no reward for the effort now.
Some response from Cryptic would be really appreciated.
I just completed the communications area in city of bz. I started it alone. Worked it 100% Had someone join me at the 1/3 mark. At completion I only received 5 dilith, no marks and no credit for completion toward Capture Voth Points. Now come on. I been playing for three years almost.
This is nuts there isNO incentive to take a map. Why would you alienate your players like this.
And worse no response from cryptic on this. This was not in patch notes. Is this an error that needs to be fixed? Or was this intentional to deprive the player of rewards. This is a grinder game. Still grinder game except there is little or no reward for the effort now.
Some response from Cryptic would be really appreciated.
I had ran this last night to see for myself. This is great news you ran into the same 5 DIL too. That's really not a good move on they're part. Could be another Oops! That needs to be corrected A-SAP! Taking out the super duper T-rex awarded me a VRP Mark 720 DIL an either 60/80 DIL flashes so fast.
This was not in patch notes. Is this an error that needs to be fixed?.
Yup, and though I'm not cryptic I can say that I haven't noticed any change to the Voth battlezone rewards or (if I'm up on the objectives) whether or not I get them. Do you recall which point was it? My run through the park didn't find anything unusual.
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I went through the battlezone pretty methodically last night trying out a number of things to see how this new rewarding setup works. I was playing a science char with an AOE heal.
First up, simply firing a shot and running off a point results in getting 5 dilithium when that point gets captured. I'd rather it be 0, but this is a welcome change.
Likewise, simply throwing heals uselessly without actually firing on enemies or doing the objective will also result in 5 dilithium. While this isn't as bad as the one shot tagging I just mentioned, I still think it's fair, as there's no need for dedicated healers in the BZ.
Shooting a V-Rex and running off to another will result in you getting 5 dilithium. I thought this was unintentional, but rereading commanderander's posts, I might be misinterpreting "no changes". I thought he meant no changes to the scoring, but he might've just meant no changes to the standard rewards they give? In any case, this is also fine as far as I'm concerned.
Now we get to the actual problems with these changes:
I went onto a generator point in the outskirts that was about a quarter of the way complete, fought Voth the entire time, but didn't activate the consoles when those were needed, because another player did. I only got 5 dilithium despite making a large contribution to the point's capture.
I went onto an artillery point and purposely did the opposite: I killed the enemies around one generator and activated it, then stood on the point doing nothing. The only other thing I did was kill two medics that spawned and would've killed me if I hadn't. I didn't even shoot at the mechs when those came down. Got full rewards.
A friend who hit the speed boost and fought at a different generator point only got 5 dilithium. I just fought Voth and threw heals and got 90.
I was fighting the park V-Rex and noticed the city's omega level was getting dangerously low, so I booked it over there to save the point. The park Rex was at about 50% when I left, I had been helping the entire time before I left, but despite that I only got 5. I got 90 for the city, and 5 for the outskirts that I didn't even visit (was in a team, a teammate went there).
Another run, I fought the outskirts Rex the entire time, left the point right before it died, and still got full rewards. I'm curious what would've happened if I did the same thing, but also went to a different section of the BZ.
Had one excellent run where we moved as a huge group and hit each Rex in sequence. Full rewards for each, was awesome, wish this happened more because it's way more fun than the tagging nonsense.
Overall, the changes don't affect me. I never leeched, I stayed to the end at the V-Rex more often than not (mostly because I was the only one actually shooting the medics...). But the few times I was penalized when I was contributing were really annoying. I want to like this change, leechers needed to go, but if players contributing to the objective or stopping points from falling are getting penalized, it needs to be tuned.
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I should mention that, for my tests, I had no boffs due to being on a team with a friend (but we split up and tested different sections). My contributions were mine and mine alone most of the time, so I'm not sure how your boffs with you affects your score.
Ok, could someone sum this up for me as I won't be getting to this for a week or 2 myself.
If you fully capture say 5 zones and kill 1 Vrex what dilithium do you get? No more implants from the BZ?
No reward at all for tagging all 3 Vrex?
What's the new requirement for collecting command codes and calling reinforcements?
Thanks.
5 zones = 90 x 5 = 450
1 V-Rex = 750
You still get a dilithium reward (sorry, can't remember the exact number, over 2k) all 5 implants if all 3 V-Rexes get taken down. A friend said the mark payout is higher, I suspect that it is but I don't have actual numbers. I just know I got over 400 marks last night while I was doing science.
5 dilithium for each V-Rex you tag. Full amount for one you stay for and kill. In every run I did, I got full rewards for at least one V-Rex, usually two.
No new requirement for command codes or reinforcements.
Basically, if you played the zone normally and didn't purposely try to grind as much dilithium out of it as possible, you'll be getting the same thing you always got. If you haven't played since the 50% dilithium increase, you'll be getting more rewards than you're used to.
he only real issue seems to be with the generator points -- I have a feeling those aren't tracking contributions right.
You still get a dilithium reward (sorry, can't remember the exact number, over 2k) all 5 implants if all 3 V-Rexes get taken down. A friend said the mark payout is higher, I suspect that it is but I don't have actual numbers. I just know I got over 400 marks last night while I was doing science.
5 dilithium for each V-Rex you tag. Full amount for one you stay for and kill. In every run I did, I got full rewards for at least one V-Rex, usually two.
No new requirement for command codes or reinforcements.
Basically, if you played the zone normally and didn't purposely try to grind as much dilithium out of it as possible, you'll be getting the same thing you always got. If you haven't played since the 50% dilithium increase, you'll be getting more rewards than you're used to.
he only real issue seems to be with the generator points -- I have a feeling those aren't tracking contributions right.
Thanks very much for this. I would say I averaged 7000-8000 before for a run including dailies. It looks like it will be reduced to around 5000. That's still in the neighborhood of something I would do from time to time if it's under an hour.
The big change for me really is the loss in final dilithium reward for killing all 3 Vrex. This is what made the battlezone so profitable. I think the original intent would be for people to get one or 2. Getting all 3 was probably considered a major achievement once in a blue moon sort of thing.
I'm curious now so I'll run one soon and report.
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The thing is I activated consoles but still didnt get more than 5 dil.
Ive shut down artillery ... ive got that omega thing moving and ive been at the capturing points.
Nothing worked.
Ive also killed 2 vrex but only one was count.
I am not the only one where this isnt working anymore.
Ive spent more than half an hour and got only 2500 dil in total (while 720 came from "kill as many voth as possible" task).
But i guess I already got the answer from the Devs -> "Previously, missions were being too generous" and its just a matter of time until we are told "its working as intended".
This change sounds so bad. I haven't tested it myself but enough of you have.
Why even bother capping zones now if you cannot tag dinos anymore for the full reward? And that's assuming you're actually able to get credit for capping zones. How do you even get the full reward now? Doesn't sound possible anymore.
Nerfing voth bz was my quitting condition, and they have fulfilled it. I don't know what to think or say now. They did it. They actually did it. They nerfed the one thing above all I didn't want nerfed, the one thing that determined whether I continued to play this game. I'm not exactly pleased with all the other nerfs the past few months, but voth bz was the one that determined this game's fate on my harddrive.
Do they not realize they're killing this game? Or do they indeed realize it and are doing it on purpose? I have to wonder.
I think I'll stick around for the winter daily races but then that's it. They crossed the line I drew and I will not accept that.
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In fairness most people are probably in the winterland grinding for winter event stuff which is why the dyson zones are empty. With that said I know I probably won't be returning to dyson ground after these changes. I used to do it because it was a fairly easy source of dilithium and it was pretty fun (which is saying something since I hate ground stuff). I did do the dino tagging, but I wasn't a leach. I'd run around capin zones until the rex's got released and usually end up helping kill at least two of them.
I'm not really sure why they keep chasing players away from all content with these reward nerfs. With every patch comes a new nerf and I'm a little more annoyed. If they are trying to get people to spend money by nerfing rewards everywhere it's certainly not helping their case with me. The more annoyed I get the longer my wallet stays shut to them as that's my only recourse other then quitting which I'm not quite ready to do yet. I still have a little hope things will get better.
I have noticed no change I was getting shortchanged in a few places before due to the people running around doing wierd stuff because i would be murdered at dinos and have to respawn etc.
I dont jump maps i start in one area and move from point to point it was probably over about 10k but i dont like to over estimate as i can't remember what I started with. Lets put it this way for people who play the map as it should be played and dont try to tag everything all at once the game has improved. People stayed put today for the most part. The only time I got 5 dilithium was if i was finished capping a point and as i was moving towards another point I passed through and helped some guy finish his faster on they way by. There is nothing wrong with the changes its fair your rewarded for the work you actually do. This change was much needed people just need to adapt.
I have never seen maps flip so fast as I have today. My frustration level was not through the roof as people half completed something and left me standing by myself with one other guy.
No one was ranting about being left to solo one of the harder points. It was GREAT!
If anything I got more for my time and not less because those maps flipped so fast my head spun.
and i didnt simply jump into the zones just before they were finished... ive spent several minutes there... killing voth... activating devices... defending the zone while capturing was running
5 dil reward... that was all i got
when playing dyson ground ive always done my work and captured zones
Yeah, that has nothing to do with this change. The 114 zones currently open in Wonderland is what's going on there. :P
nope there were instances where transporters would reward less (i know this because it happened to me a lot)
as for the 5 today if you were not there for any length of time then you likely only got 5. I had no problem today I would capture maybe 4 or 5 points max before the entire map was blue since there are groups on seperate areas. Then it was dino time and each time I made it to 2 dinos and got dilithium 720 plus the dailies. The maps flipped faster because people not trying to get credit for every point on the map. I think it took me about an hour to run it twice the first time it was a partial run the second run was a full run.
anyhow the changes are good. I did it on a science officer even who is not a huge dps machine because he is only partially geared right now. It was the best experience I have had in dyson for a very long time. I thank cryptic for fixing that mess .... I was starting to avoid the zone even though I enjoy ground warzones.
and the player just didnt notice this nerf yet
lets wait and see what happens when they do.
maybe there is a reason why this nerf was introduced just when the winter event started
There is almost nothing in this game anymore that is worth to be played.
And Im sick of being told lies by the developers.
I already said that I did not spent just a few seconds in these zones. I captured them from the beginning to the end.
Hmm I've never seen that much variety. In my experience it's been three things that determine final reward: number of zones capped, number of dinos tagged and number of dinos killed.
Assuming all three dinos are killed:
- If it's less than 5 zones tagged then it's just over half the total reward even if you tag all three dinos.
- Two dinos tagged is half the reward. It's possible one dino is half of even that but I've never done just one dino. I've also never gotten the full reward with just one or two dinos.
- 5 or more zones capped + all three dinos tagged gives full reward. This is the only acceptable outcome if you've been bothering to cap zones, so why would someone reduce their dilithium reward by not tagging? Especially when tagging does not fail the instance? It's very rare that I see an instance fail to kill all three dinos even with everyone tagging, because of the nature of tagging.
Rewards change if not all dinos are killed. That rarely happens in my experience. I also don't remember what the new rewards are but it used to be about 3100 dilithium for full reward and a little over 1600 for partial reward, not including dailies or individual zones or anything. Just what it gives you when the third dino dies.
That does make me wonder how people would get way more dilithium than I did. Some claim they can get way more than that in the course of an hour and I still can't figure out how unless they're instance hopping and tagging and that's it.
then your bugged and you need to submit a report because that is not the way it works. If your there shooting or healing or something then you will get your 90 dilithium and whatnot. If your there at the tail end you get 5. If you arrive a few seconds before the thing is capped you get nothing
There isnt that much variety. I personally am not fussy I kill 2 dinos usually sometimes 3 and occassionally only 1 the rest its just capturing today because people were not doing wierd things I got to capture more then a couple of points because people were not half starting them and then running away and leaving me to finish while they did an easy one (usually they would tag the harder ones get them full of agro and then run away) it was annoying as all getout. Others I think did a lot of instance hoping. Anyhow there is no nerf that I can see the quantity I come away with for my time seems about the same or maybe better because its not such a frustrating experience.
well my last +10 reports got completely ignored by the devs
they simply dont care if something this game is bugged... at least as long players have a disadvantage in gameplay
Im still waiting for a ticket to be answered that ive submitted 5 weeks ago.
next to that dont i think that this is a bug... we experienced such an incredible amount of nerfs in the past weeks and have been lied at by the dev... this issue fits very well into that picture.
its a massive nerf again
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In effect they have taken away any incentive to group, or help take a map.
At rex time, I stayed on one dino the whole time, I received no dilith, no marks no cybernetic implants.
This is a stab in the back to loyal players. They increased dilith earnings in battlezone, and cut it like this.
The notes said "Previously, missions were being too generous with points for tasks that were not critical to missions and too penalizing on tasks that were critical for missions."
This is a stripping of the rewards at the most essential missions for map completion.
put in a bug report (i dont know you so take this with a grain of salt) assuming your honestly staying at points the entire time and are at the dino for a good portion of the time you should get implants and the dilithium as usual.
Maybe there is an issue with their system not reading info properly however I dont usually group because I am kdf with one exception and most people running that are well federation when I play. The zone should work wether your grouped or not since all factions are working as a unit in this case it should ignore grouping.
If you fully capture say 5 zones and kill 1 Vrex what dilithium do you get? No more implants from the BZ?
No reward at all for tagging all 3 Vrex?
What's the new requirement for collecting command codes and calling reinforcements?
Thanks.
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This is nuts there isNO incentive to take a map. Why would you alienate your players like this.
And worse no response from cryptic on this. This was not in patch notes. Is this an error that needs to be fixed? Or was this intentional to deprive the player of rewards. This is a grinder game. Still grinder game except there is little or no reward for the effort now.
Some response from Cryptic would be really appreciated.
I had ran this last night to see for myself. This is great news you ran into the same 5 DIL too. That's really not a good move on they're part. Could be another Oops! That needs to be corrected A-SAP! Taking out the super duper T-rex awarded me a VRP Mark 720 DIL an either 60/80 DIL flashes so fast.
Time will only tell!
Yup, and though I'm not cryptic I can say that I haven't noticed any change to the Voth battlezone rewards or (if I'm up on the objectives) whether or not I get them. Do you recall which point was it? My run through the park didn't find anything unusual.
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Now we get to the actual problems with these changes:
Overall, the changes don't affect me. I never leeched, I stayed to the end at the V-Rex more often than not (mostly because I was the only one actually shooting the medics...). But the few times I was penalized when I was contributing were really annoying. I want to like this change, leechers needed to go, but if players contributing to the objective or stopping points from falling are getting penalized, it needs to be tuned.
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I should mention that, for my tests, I had no boffs due to being on a team with a friend (but we split up and tested different sections). My contributions were mine and mine alone most of the time, so I'm not sure how your boffs with you affects your score.
5 zones = 90 x 5 = 450
1 V-Rex = 750
You still get a dilithium reward (sorry, can't remember the exact number, over 2k) all 5 implants if all 3 V-Rexes get taken down. A friend said the mark payout is higher, I suspect that it is but I don't have actual numbers. I just know I got over 400 marks last night while I was doing science.
5 dilithium for each V-Rex you tag. Full amount for one you stay for and kill. In every run I did, I got full rewards for at least one V-Rex, usually two.
No new requirement for command codes or reinforcements.
Basically, if you played the zone normally and didn't purposely try to grind as much dilithium out of it as possible, you'll be getting the same thing you always got. If you haven't played since the 50% dilithium increase, you'll be getting more rewards than you're used to.
he only real issue seems to be with the generator points -- I have a feeling those aren't tracking contributions right.
Thanks very much for this. I would say I averaged 7000-8000 before for a run including dailies. It looks like it will be reduced to around 5000. That's still in the neighborhood of something I would do from time to time if it's under an hour.
The big change for me really is the loss in final dilithium reward for killing all 3 Vrex. This is what made the battlezone so profitable. I think the original intent would be for people to get one or 2. Getting all 3 was probably considered a major achievement once in a blue moon sort of thing.
I'm curious now so I'll run one soon and report.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Ive shut down artillery ... ive got that omega thing moving and ive been at the capturing points.
Nothing worked.
Ive also killed 2 vrex but only one was count.
I am not the only one where this isnt working anymore.
Ive spent more than half an hour and got only 2500 dil in total (while 720 came from "kill as many voth as possible" task).
But i guess I already got the answer from the Devs -> "Previously, missions were being too generous" and its just a matter of time until we are told "its working as intended".
Why even bother capping zones now if you cannot tag dinos anymore for the full reward? And that's assuming you're actually able to get credit for capping zones. How do you even get the full reward now? Doesn't sound possible anymore.
Nerfing voth bz was my quitting condition, and they have fulfilled it. I don't know what to think or say now. They did it. They actually did it. They nerfed the one thing above all I didn't want nerfed, the one thing that determined whether I continued to play this game. I'm not exactly pleased with all the other nerfs the past few months, but voth bz was the one that determined this game's fate on my harddrive.
Do they not realize they're killing this game? Or do they indeed realize it and are doing it on purpose? I have to wonder.
I think I'll stick around for the winter daily races but then that's it. They crossed the line I drew and I will not accept that.
Why not try it out yourself instead of just quitting? Don't rely on these forums for any sort of objective feedback. Always test things yourself.
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Split it with me?