To take a page from your own book, can you provide any actual proof about this claim?
Why should I prove anything? Aren't you the one trying to convince me of something? I don't care if you believe me or not. If you feel the same way about what I post, I suggest you ignore my posts altogether instead of responding to them.
If, however, you wish to have an honest conversation with me, rather than a hostile "forum PvP" bout, I'll be glad to provide you with reasons why I am convinced that the people on this forum are in the minority.
Though if you're saying that with honesty, I very much appreciate it. I don't want to jump to conclusions or put words in your mouth here, that's not my goal. The world would be a much better place if we looked at things more critically and give each other the benefit of the doubt.
/end looking like I'm trying to avoid the question :P
"You don't like something? Well there's the door!" What is this suposed to accomplish? Leave the game with only a handfull of rabid fanboys? Do you think they can sustain the game by themselves?
I'm not convinced that there would only be "a handfull of rabid fanboys", as you call them. Everyone who isn't an extremist isn't automatically the complete opposite.
I just don't think that players that are overly entitled would ever enjoy the game. Some think that their opinion of how things should be is 'constructive criticism'. Some actually even think that the game would survive if they halted updates and just focused on bugs. That way of thinking isn't good for the game, and it will most likely only lead to disappointment.
Make no mistake, it's not a gross overestiamte. Because the reply you used has been utilized to shove off any form of concern and negative feedback about anything on this forum. If everyone that this stupid phrase was used on took the advice to heart, there wouldn't be a game anymore.
Nah. If so many people were so dissatisfied with the game, Cryptic effectively couldn't make larger and larger updates every season/expansion. They'd be losing money, rather than gaining. They wouldn't have been able to hire 5 of Star Trek: Voyager's stars either. The very presence of those updates and the fact that the game isn't in the least pay-to-win demonstrates that it's not only whales keeping this game alive. Add to the fact that extremists are almost never make up the majority of any given group, as they effectively wouldn't be classified as 'extremists' then.
Keep in mind that I'm not talking about everyone who has made a complaint. Might I point out to you what's in my sig? I'm not completely satisfied with what Cryptic's doing either. I'd me a pretty big hypocrite if I were talking about everyone here who has made a complaint. =p No, I'm talking about the extremists.
You don't like that the Federation gets 3 times more ships than the KDF? There's the door!
You don't like the broken lance allignment on the Galaxy Dread? There's the door!
You don't like the prices on T6 ships? Door!
You don't like the difficulty of the new queues? Sorry, door!
See where that is going?
Yeah, see I can tell now that you've made this assumption. I'm just talking about the players who complain about almost everything, or complain about a select few things but think the game's doomed over it. Not anyone who has any complaint at all.
Intrepid Class ships you have already out in the game so many versions of the T4 none of those will see the new interior for that ship. So you got T6 now. But draw to that T6 has to be a lot better than T4 but again both have 3/3 weapons slots you loose 2 extra weapons slots. You could have made it 5 in front and 3 in the rear. Just seems to go all out for T6 which hasn't change much with some extra perks from T4 into T6.
Different BOff stations = Different ship. The rest is cosmetic.
Your argument is essentially that because this modern T6 ship (the Pathfinder) can be reskinned as its predecessor of 40 years before (the Intrepid) it should be a discounted purchase. That is roughly the same as saying that if there was an option to reskin the Phantom as the Defiant, it should also have been discounted.
Your existing T5 / T5U Intrepid has not been invalidated or rendered unusable, at least no more so than it already was by the existence of the Scryer and Dauntless.
If one accepts the validity of creating a T6 at all, then it's hard to see what else Cryptic could have done.
- If they allowed players to upgrade T5 ships to full T6 capabilities, that would either massively impact on sales of the new ships, or make the upgrades much more expensive.
- If they leave iconic ships like the Intrepid at T5, they take fire from the Trekkers who want a "real" ship at top tier.
- If they offer a discount on the Pathfinder to Intrepid owners, it's (a) a slap in the face for those who bought a T6 science ship and (b) kills interest in purchasing T6 ships - because people would be waiting for the discounted Tac and Eng boats instead.
- If they had not introduced T6, they were probably confronted with steadily-falling sales of T5 ships because so many players had fleets of those already. Personally I think the Tempest was a last test of whether there was still mileage in selling T5 ships, by offering something nakedly OP.
Before you put words in my mouth, realise I was replying to a post stating there should be a discount and giving a premise based on past actions on why there would not be. I was not myself asking for a discount.
My displeasure with this release is that they stated months ago that they had 'no plans' to release currently available ships as tier 6 versions. Then they do this, which new skin or not it is a T6 Intrepid. Further, they know a lot of us desperately want the Intrepid interior (or any interior which isn't ****) so they tied it to a ship purchase that many of us don't really see the value in. For one, I have the Dauntless and Scryer already, both of which I think have better console/boff station configurations to this ship.
Plus, I always think it's a **** move to let people go ahead and upgrade their T5 to T5U then release a T6 version, had people known it was coming they may have preferred to put that money towards the T6 ship instead. I'm not saying the T5U version is 'useless' now, but it's still not a good move.
Those are my thoughts.
Join date is wrong, I've actually been around since STO Beta.
True alters don't have a "main". Account wide unlocks for all unique event rewards!!
Guys, seriously..a HANGAR BAY with Aeroshuttle pets? Last I checked there was only one..ONE Aeroshuttle on the Intrepid - it doesn't need any more tactical console slots either, unless you're all about DPS (which science vessels are NOT). Also, if other science-based ships were given more than 3 forward weapons (such as carriers) it would defeat the object of those ships being support-oriented - which science vessels ARE (Remember, the DSD is a rather..unique specimen. It does get 4 forward slots, but at the cost of reducing it's potential as a SCIENCE VESSEL).--RANT OVER--
Dammit man take a look at the old steam chart thread before you start posting that like its gospel.
It's true that the Steamchart has debatable value. For one it only encompasses a portion of the playerbase. For two people may have stopped using Steam to use Arc (while I'll never undertand that).
However there is also no indication of what Orangeitis is saying ("Yet this game keeps growing every content update.") being true.
From witnessing the introduction of both LoR and DR, and the hype, in game activity, queues or also server log-in queues, I'd be rather siding with what the Steamcharts would seem to indicate. Bear in mind losing players is nothing to be (overly) afraid of, it typically happens to all the games. What the management needs to do is trying by all means to keep the game interesting for both old and new players. I'm not convinced they manage to do that very well.
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Not sure where you read that, but the stats on the page linked in post #1 reads:
Console - Universal - Aero Shuttle Bay
I believe the one who you quoted was adressing other commenters calls for adding a hangar bay to the Tier 6 Intrepid. Needless to say, I'm against slapping a hangar bay to anything they please just to make it look more attractive (Vesta, Ar'kif, Galaxy-X anyone?).
TOIVA, Toi Vaxx, Toia Vix, Toveg, T'vritha, To Vrax: Bring in the Allegiance class. Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider. Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Not sure where you read that, but the stats on the page linked in post #1 reads:
Console - Universal - Aero Shuttle Bay
I read it from bluegeek's post earlier on in the thread, it included some things that he/she would like to see on the Pathfinder before considering buying it. One of those was a hangar bay with Aeroshuttle pets.
bridge layout well this is where you lost me why isn't it the lt commander science that's the intel?
makes no since to me that a science ships toting a engineer intelligence officer instead of a science.
Seems to me if you are flying a Sci Ship you want Sci Powers, and then you'd have to choose between Sci Powers and Intel Powers.
Seems to me if you are flying a Sci Ship you want Sci Powers, and then you'd have to choose between Sci Powers and Intel Powers.
Most people here are taking it wrong. Just because the t6 intrepid have access to 2 limited intel abilities doesnt mean its full intel or you must use this hybrid officer at all cost.
Try to see it the other way - ignore the hybrid boff (which ofc will be used as engineer by most) and pay attention to the universal Lt. How many times you were thinking - if only you could get 1 or 2 more tactical abilities on intrepid? Hmmm???? Well now you can use it effectively as tactical leading to +2 abilities which is totaly different ship than the old voyager.
That is why its far more better to be full sci with 7 abilities, 2 engineer and 4 tactical than before with: 8sci/2eng/2tac. The +1 ability, the 13th one and the Universal station is what is gona make this ship wonderful. Sadly I doubt most of you would realise it if never being using an intrepid.
-> If you really want to fly an intel sci ship - get Scryer cuz its the only one now using Expose abilities and having access to Cdr Intel boff. That's the ship role as intel - thats the scryer. But the lack of sensor analysis is -1 tac console.
->Intrepid may have 2 tac now as t6, but dont forget Sensor Analysis aka +1 console. So you end up with 3. And when you get t6fleet - 3tac+1(SA).
The Intrepid class, both old and new - are the ONLY science ships in the game that KNOW what they are doing, what they must do and what is expected from them to do - To be FULL support science ships over anthing else. The best ship for real full science captain. Wait, you prepare to say vesta is better? Hah..sure. But let me tell u this...if anyone want a vesta...aka "sci carrier pretender"- go get Recluse and have fun as real sci carrier with 4x APB from weavers.
However your interpretation that they are not doing this, and by implication are doing the opposite, i.e. doing everything in their power to make the game boring and generally not fun with a quick turnover of players, really doesn't make sense when seen in terms of job security and continued income for their company.
Wow that a bit of a leap, can you read palms as well...?
How on Earth does me not agreeing with said comment, mean I support the exact opposite of said comment?
Fact is they don't care about the Fun aspect, that much is clear.
Compare the game pre DR to post DR.
No they are not trying at all to make the game more fun, and if you truly believe that I really don't know why we are having this conversation.
Just put your Aluminium Hat back on & be happy the evul brainwaves no longer affect your intellectual prowess.
For the rest of capable of independent thought, Yes the game has got A LOT LESS FUN since DR Launch.
As for Long-lasting. No, just no...
They are in it for the MONEY plain and simple. They don't care if you play for a week or since February 10th 2010.
All they want is for you to pay through the nose for your new shiney shiney by using your credit card.
If this recent news about yet another Intrepid - 4th / 5th variant on the same friggin ship isn't enough to convience you then it just enforces my belief in Darwin's theory of natural selection. And you my friend are destind to go the way of the Neanderthal.
I don't think he showing the door cause of one small thing he's showing the door because its obvious that if you no longer feel that the devs care or that the game is worth playing then well you should leave because you are just poisoning yourself being here. And also its been common knowledge that forum goers are the smallest minority of a game for a while. What seems to not be common knowledge is that of this minority there's the very vocal few who believe to speak for the majority or believe they are part of the majority.
One thing that people need to realize is that a lot of people that play STO care deeply about the game, partially because they like or used to like the game, partially because it's Star Trek and the only Star Trek in town. These type of people, and dare I say - I might even include myself in that group in spite of how negative it reflects on me, want to believe the game can succeed and evolve into something positive regardless the belief that certain devs don't care.
I'll be perfectly honest with you here - I don't believe D'Angelo and Rivera care about the game and I don't believe they have any vision that's needed to sustain the game and take it to the next level. I don't know what to think about PWE's involvement in the decision making or not, since I have no inside information on the topic. This doesn't mean I don't believe in STO. It doesn't mean I want to give up on STO. I think many of the devs do care about the game and their work for it. I'd much rather share my complaints and hope for changes on management level, be it in the personel or the mindset, that completely give up on the game I happen to like.
And I'm fully aware about the minority argument. STO is not my first nor only MMO. I just used the opportunity to present a flaw in the analogy from that player, because he often requires an actual proff himself, when people make such claims on the forum.
Why should I prove anything? Aren't you the one trying to convince me of something? I don't care if you believe me or not. If you feel the same way about what I post, I suggest you ignore my posts altogether instead of responding to them.
If, however, you wish to have an honest conversation with me, rather than a hostile "forum PvP" bout, I'll be glad to provide you with reasons why I am convinced that the people on this forum are in the minority.
Though if you're saying that with honesty, I very much appreciate it. I don't want to jump to conclusions or put words in your mouth here, that's not my goal. The world would be a much better place if we looked at things more critically and give each other the benefit of the doubt.
/end looking like I'm trying to avoid the question :P
I wasn't actually trying to convince you about anything, I was just pointing out my belief of the uselessness of the "If you don't like it, walk away" argument that has become so common on the forum.
As for the minority argument, see above in the reply I wrote to westx211. I know that forumites are generally a minority in the games' populations, it's common knowledge for anyone that plays these games. I just wanted to point out that if you expect others to provide proof of their claims you should be prepared to do so yourself as well.
I'm not convinced that there would only be "a handfull of rabid fanboys", as you call them. Everyone who isn't an extremist isn't automatically the complete opposite.
I didn't say that. I was just pointing out that whenever a complaint pops-up on the board, there is usually someone being a wise guy/gal and pointing towards the door, regardless of the validity of the complaint or the person behind it.
In that context, my "rabid fanboy" remark was aimed to point out that if everyone who has any issue with the game or the developers is told to STFU and leave, the only people who'll be left are the ones that genuinely believe there are no issues in the game whatsoever, which in the case of a game like STO could only be a handfull of rabid fanboys.
I just don't think that players that are overly entitled would ever enjoy the game. Some think that their opinion of how things should be is 'constructive criticism'. Some actually even think that the game would survive if they halted updates and just focused on bugs. That way of thinking isn't good for the game, and it will most likely only lead to disappointment.
Depends on what each individual classifies as "entitlement". At this point in STO's life it's actually very debatable if focusing on bugs for a while won't be so healthy for the game. Because, and I say this with a sad heart, I've been playing since 2011 and I don't remember seening the game so broken and terribly bugged ever before. To the level of becomming unplayable for a lot of people and for a portion of the playerbase literally unplayable - as in they can't even get in.
Nah. If so many people were so dissatisfied with the game, Cryptic effectively couldn't make larger and larger updates every season/expansion. They'd be losing money, rather than gaining. They wouldn't have been able to hire 5 of Star Trek: Voyager's stars either. The very presence of those updates and the fact that the game isn't in the least pay-to-win demonstrates that it's not only whales keeping this game alive. Add to the fact that extremists are almost never make up the majority of any given group, as they effectively wouldn't be classified as 'extremists' then.
Actually, many people are dissatisfied with the game. To many, DR seemed to be the breaking point, which is sad. It's not a question of tracking down numbers only. Especially ones prior DR. My fleets are generally ok in popualtion and as they've always been, but I can't really turn a blind eye to the empty queues ever since DR released, more than a month now. That doesn't bode well. And many people I know that still do play really are dissatisfied with the game's current state. But some people can't just give up what they worked for and enjoyed for a long time just like that, that's where numbers may lie.
About the larger updates....unfortunately, it's not true. If anything, starting this year the updates are getting smaller and smaller. Season 9 was one of the smallest most insignificant releases ever, no story attached, repurposed what was announced as a later part of S8 for the Voth to be about Undine instead and a couple of queues one of which has been bugged since release to this day. Season 9.5.....lol that wasn't even a thing. More like a Thursday's patch.
Delta Rising? Apart from being the most rushed, broken and bugged expansion/update I've ever seen in a game, it's nowhere near as big as LoR was - the game's previous expansion. It's more like a glorified season TBH.
So no, it's not getting any bigger unfortunately. As much as I'd want it too.
Keep in mind that I'm not talking about everyone who has made a complaint. Might I point out to you what's in my sig? I'm not completely satisfied with what Cryptic's doing either. I'd me a pretty big hypocrite if I were talking about everyone here who has made a complaint. =p No, I'm talking about the extremists.
Yeah, see I can tell now that you've made this assumption. I'm just talking about the players who complain about almost everything, or complain about a select few things but think the game's doomed over it. Not anyone who has any complaint at all.
Fair enough. I just always get irritated when I see those words, because they've been used far too many times to shake off very valid complaints and negative feedback. Maybe not by you personally, but others have used them in that manner and I really hate that.
The amount of content demonstrates otherwise. Besides, aren't those only Steam users? Hardly a gauge for the entire STO community.
*awaits inevitable "nice cherrypicking there" comment from someone* :rolleyes:
I was going to argue your post there, but then I remember your comment: "These devs are doing everything they can to keep this game fun and long-lasting." and went back to LMFAO.
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If, however, you wish to have an honest conversation with me, rather than a hostile "forum PvP" bout, I'll be glad to provide you with reasons why I am convinced that the people on this forum are in the minority.
Though if you're saying that with honesty, I very much appreciate it. I don't want to jump to conclusions or put words in your mouth here, that's not my goal. The world would be a much better place if we looked at things more critically and give each other the benefit of the doubt.
/end looking like I'm trying to avoid the question :P
I'm not convinced that there would only be "a handfull of rabid fanboys", as you call them. Everyone who isn't an extremist isn't automatically the complete opposite.
I just don't think that players that are overly entitled would ever enjoy the game. Some think that their opinion of how things should be is 'constructive criticism'. Some actually even think that the game would survive if they halted updates and just focused on bugs. That way of thinking isn't good for the game, and it will most likely only lead to disappointment.
Nah. If so many people were so dissatisfied with the game, Cryptic effectively couldn't make larger and larger updates every season/expansion. They'd be losing money, rather than gaining. They wouldn't have been able to hire 5 of Star Trek: Voyager's stars either. The very presence of those updates and the fact that the game isn't in the least pay-to-win demonstrates that it's not only whales keeping this game alive. Add to the fact that extremists are almost never make up the majority of any given group, as they effectively wouldn't be classified as 'extremists' then.
Keep in mind that I'm not talking about everyone who has made a complaint. Might I point out to you what's in my sig? I'm not completely satisfied with what Cryptic's doing either. I'd me a pretty big hypocrite if I were talking about everyone here who has made a complaint. =p No, I'm talking about the extremists.
Yeah, see I can tell now that you've made this assumption. I'm just talking about the players who complain about almost everything, or complain about a select few things but think the game's doomed over it. Not anyone who has any complaint at all.
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Time will only tell!
Sorry every time I go to reply to one of you fanboyz I keep LMAO at the above comment...
Classic, in-fact its sig worthy
The dumbest thing I've read on these forums since the Launch of DR.
Bravo, Sir. Bravo...
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Yes, I agree.. the silent majorities just leave the game with out said good bye.
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Before you put words in my mouth, realise I was replying to a post stating there should be a discount and giving a premise based on past actions on why there would not be. I was not myself asking for a discount.
My displeasure with this release is that they stated months ago that they had 'no plans' to release currently available ships as tier 6 versions. Then they do this, which new skin or not it is a T6 Intrepid. Further, they know a lot of us desperately want the Intrepid interior (or any interior which isn't ****) so they tied it to a ship purchase that many of us don't really see the value in. For one, I have the Dauntless and Scryer already, both of which I think have better console/boff station configurations to this ship.
Plus, I always think it's a **** move to let people go ahead and upgrade their T5 to T5U then release a T6 version, had people known it was coming they may have preferred to put that money towards the T6 ship instead. I'm not saying the T5U version is 'useless' now, but it's still not a good move.
Those are my thoughts.
No, it does not: http://steamcharts.com/app/9900#All
Yes, I kinda have to agree with you.. it was fun as hell. Next time what? Politics are honest? hahah
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Dammit man take a look at the old steam chart thread before you start posting that like its gospel.
It's true that the Steamchart has debatable value. For one it only encompasses a portion of the playerbase. For two people may have stopped using Steam to use Arc (while I'll never undertand that).
However there is also no indication of what Orangeitis is saying ("Yet this game keeps growing every content update.") being true.
From witnessing the introduction of both LoR and DR, and the hype, in game activity, queues or also server log-in queues, I'd be rather siding with what the Steamcharts would seem to indicate. Bear in mind losing players is nothing to be (overly) afraid of, it typically happens to all the games. What the management needs to do is trying by all means to keep the game interesting for both old and new players. I'm not convinced they manage to do that very well.
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I believe the one who you quoted was adressing other commenters calls for adding a hangar bay to the Tier 6 Intrepid. Needless to say, I'm against slapping a hangar bay to anything they please just to make it look more attractive (Vesta, Ar'kif, Galaxy-X anyone?).
Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.
Don't make ARC mandatory! Keep it optional only!
I read it from bluegeek's post earlier on in the thread, it included some things that he/she would like to see on the Pathfinder before considering buying it. One of those was a hangar bay with Aeroshuttle pets.
The blog says it can. :P
Seems to me if you are flying a Sci Ship you want Sci Powers, and then you'd have to choose between Sci Powers and Intel Powers.
please do continue only milking the Feds. Less incentive to grind/pay due to limited ship variety is a good thing in my book.
Most people here are taking it wrong. Just because the t6 intrepid have access to 2 limited intel abilities doesnt mean its full intel or you must use this hybrid officer at all cost.
Try to see it the other way - ignore the hybrid boff (which ofc will be used as engineer by most) and pay attention to the universal Lt. How many times you were thinking - if only you could get 1 or 2 more tactical abilities on intrepid? Hmmm???? Well now you can use it effectively as tactical leading to +2 abilities which is totaly different ship than the old voyager.
That is why its far more better to be full sci with 7 abilities, 2 engineer and 4 tactical than before with: 8sci/2eng/2tac. The +1 ability, the 13th one and the Universal station is what is gona make this ship wonderful. Sadly I doubt most of you would realise it if never being using an intrepid.
-> If you really want to fly an intel sci ship - get Scryer cuz its the only one now using Expose abilities and having access to Cdr Intel boff. That's the ship role as intel - thats the scryer. But the lack of sensor analysis is -1 tac console.
->Intrepid may have 2 tac now as t6, but dont forget Sensor Analysis aka +1 console. So you end up with 3. And when you get t6fleet - 3tac+1(SA).
The Intrepid class, both old and new - are the ONLY science ships in the game that KNOW what they are doing, what they must do and what is expected from them to do - To be FULL support science ships over anthing else. The best ship for real full science captain. Wait, you prepare to say vesta is better? Hah..sure. But let me tell u this...if anyone want a vesta...aka "sci carrier pretender"- go get Recluse and have fun as real sci carrier with 4x APB from weavers.
Wow that a bit of a leap, can you read palms as well...?
How on Earth does me not agreeing with said comment, mean I support the exact opposite of said comment?
Fact is they don't care about the Fun aspect, that much is clear.
Compare the game pre DR to post DR.
No they are not trying at all to make the game more fun, and if you truly believe that I really don't know why we are having this conversation.
Just put your Aluminium Hat back on & be happy the evul brainwaves no longer affect your intellectual prowess.
For the rest of capable of independent thought, Yes the game has got A LOT LESS FUN since DR Launch.
As for Long-lasting. No, just no...
They are in it for the MONEY plain and simple. They don't care if you play for a week or since February 10th 2010.
All they want is for you to pay through the nose for your new shiney shiney by using your credit card.
If this recent news about yet another Intrepid - 4th / 5th variant on the same friggin ship isn't enough to convience you then it just enforces my belief in Darwin's theory of natural selection. And you my friend are destind to go the way of the Neanderthal.
D,
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One thing that people need to realize is that a lot of people that play STO care deeply about the game, partially because they like or used to like the game, partially because it's Star Trek and the only Star Trek in town. These type of people, and dare I say - I might even include myself in that group in spite of how negative it reflects on me, want to believe the game can succeed and evolve into something positive regardless the belief that certain devs don't care.
I'll be perfectly honest with you here - I don't believe D'Angelo and Rivera care about the game and I don't believe they have any vision that's needed to sustain the game and take it to the next level. I don't know what to think about PWE's involvement in the decision making or not, since I have no inside information on the topic. This doesn't mean I don't believe in STO. It doesn't mean I want to give up on STO. I think many of the devs do care about the game and their work for it. I'd much rather share my complaints and hope for changes on management level, be it in the personel or the mindset, that completely give up on the game I happen to like.
And I'm fully aware about the minority argument. STO is not my first nor only MMO. I just used the opportunity to present a flaw in the analogy from that player, because he often requires an actual proff himself, when people make such claims on the forum.
I wasn't actually trying to convince you about anything, I was just pointing out my belief of the uselessness of the "If you don't like it, walk away" argument that has become so common on the forum.
As for the minority argument, see above in the reply I wrote to westx211. I know that forumites are generally a minority in the games' populations, it's common knowledge for anyone that plays these games. I just wanted to point out that if you expect others to provide proof of their claims you should be prepared to do so yourself as well.
I didn't say that. I was just pointing out that whenever a complaint pops-up on the board, there is usually someone being a wise guy/gal and pointing towards the door, regardless of the validity of the complaint or the person behind it.
In that context, my "rabid fanboy" remark was aimed to point out that if everyone who has any issue with the game or the developers is told to STFU and leave, the only people who'll be left are the ones that genuinely believe there are no issues in the game whatsoever, which in the case of a game like STO could only be a handfull of rabid fanboys.
Depends on what each individual classifies as "entitlement". At this point in STO's life it's actually very debatable if focusing on bugs for a while won't be so healthy for the game. Because, and I say this with a sad heart, I've been playing since 2011 and I don't remember seening the game so broken and terribly bugged ever before. To the level of becomming unplayable for a lot of people and for a portion of the playerbase literally unplayable - as in they can't even get in.
Actually, many people are dissatisfied with the game. To many, DR seemed to be the breaking point, which is sad.
About the larger updates....unfortunately, it's not true. If anything, starting this year the updates are getting smaller and smaller. Season 9 was one of the smallest most insignificant releases ever, no story attached, repurposed what was announced as a later part of S8 for the Voth to be about Undine instead and a couple of queues one of which has been bugged since release to this day. Season 9.5.....lol
Delta Rising? Apart from being the most rushed, broken and bugged expansion/update I've ever seen in a game, it's nowhere near as big as LoR was - the game's previous expansion. It's more like a glorified season TBH.
So no, it's not getting any bigger unfortunately.
Fair enough. I just always get irritated when I see those words, because they've been used far too many times to shake off very valid complaints and negative feedback. Maybe not by you personally, but others have used them in that manner and I really hate that.
i love u too even if bad programmers at worx
spam more ships plz:) or make a zen bundle (bugcleaner pack)to erase many bugs in game before u create more ships - lol
thxxxx
Hey, we can start an own gaming company called Septic and show Cryptic how it is done.
It is obviously that they dont have any Product Managers and PR people employed. I know this for sure, because I have the feeling it is so.
HAHAHAHA - tears, warpcore power, Etc Etc.
You get the idea.:P
Ignore me all you want, right up until you want to compete in PvP. We'll be waiting for you in Ker'rat and the ques nublet.
Hope to see you soon
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Please keep the QQ to a minimum.
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That would have probably worked for you, Sheldon, right?
With that reply, I already know who will NOT be in charge of the best department in the studio.
:P
I was going to argue your post there, but then I remember your comment: "These devs are doing everything they can to keep this game fun and long-lasting." and went back to LMFAO.
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