Predictable - how could you have a Voyager-themed expansion and not have Voyager as a top-tier ship? - but not unwelcome. If you accept T6 as a concept, the next logical step is to keep allowing players to run iconic ships like the intrepid.
Now, I hope we'll see the same for the Galaxy and Defiant, the Vor'cha and B'rel, the D'deridex and Mogai. After all, there was a Vor'cha fighting alongside the Enterprise-J at the battle of Procyon V...
At the risk of sounding like a Cryptic apologist, there is no great logic behind this.
The new ship is exactly that; a new ship which can, at a player's discretion, be reskinned as the classic Intrepid for RP purposes. Same as the "Fleet Ambassador" is not, it's a modern cruiser which can be reskinned as its mid-24th century counterpart. The above argument actually translates to "I bought a T5 Science ship so I'm entitled to a discount".
The fleet ambassador actually has no modern counterpart, both the free "ambassador" and the fleet one both look like just the same old ambassador.
I love with all the questions in this thread, and it being 40 something pages strong of mostly pissed off customers.. that this is the only response the devs feel is necessary so far..
I don't know if its just because they don't care, and wont care, or if they really just have no clue at this point.
im sure at some point, a dev will pop in and remind us that not everything is in stone, that they value and listen to our feedback, and that changes (which are 99% likely to not happen) may happen. this is the standard line they use, and every single time they have used it, they have not changed anything, even when the majority of peeps are upset.
but then on the flip side, we all let it happen, cause everyone will eventually run out and buy this thing, and then cryptic learns nothing.. its a huge catch 22, and neither side has learned how to "play the game" yet.
In those 40 some pages, how many different people are actually complaining? That's why people are calling it the "vocal minority."
With the whole Voyager theme. Will the next T6 ship be the Prometheus complete with bridge, interior, and EMH Mk II? The Prometheus is still one of the more advanced canon starships for the timeline. I would really like to see this sooner than later, especially with interior and bridge. I would really like to see Thomas's spin on the design.
I will write a blank check for an Andy **** boff or doff. He's in some legal trouble right now, and would probably do voiceover work for a bag of Doritos.
I would really like to have my Romulan captain fly a legit T6 science ship. Thanks for the free upgrade to my Dyson Science Warbird I've been using exclusively since I got it and everything, but how about you give the other "factions" enough T6 ships to fill all four Trait slots. I've got more than enough Fed ships to do that already.
i agree roms and klingons need more T6 traits aside from the 2 T6 ships they have cause i sure as heck not getting lockbox or lobi ships for those traits and geko said we get traits otherways so when are the roms and klingons getting those otherway traits?
I would also like to see a hangar bay added to the new Pathfinder class. I think the offer would be more attractive, more immersive with the Delta Flyer pets, and still not overpowered or unfair compaired with other ships. Gameplay wise, Cryptic could make it the way, that we can only launch the pets or the Aero shuttle. Not both at the same time.
With the whole Voyager theme. Will the next T6 ship be the Prometheus complete with bridge, interior, and EMH Mk II? The Prometheus is still one of the more advanced canon starships for the timeline. I would really like to see this sooner than later, especially with interior and bridge.
/double win! Great ship + very stylish modern interior! :cool:
Of course, now i have to mention a T6 Nova.
I think the interior for the Nova would be relatively easy now to create. It's a mix / variation from the Intrepid interior and Prometheus bridge.
But maybe we can use the new Intrepid interior on other ships too? Huh Cryptic? Hint, hint ...
I don't understand their logic behind this the new hotness would be one Com and two Lt.Comr boff seats, she is a brand new variant and is already outclassed.
I would love if we could choose the boff layout by our own or transfer it form one ship to the other.
But maybe we can use the new Intrepid interior on other ships too? Huh Cryptic? Hint, hint ...
This was confirmed in another Thread.
The interior Is fused with the bridge so you can't mix and match, but it was stated that the Interior would be usable on any Federation ship.
( Which is good, because the Bridge and interior work well for a range of ship's unlike say the Belfast which is only really for small vessels )
The same post also cleared up some confusion about what the differences were between the two interior versions
EDIT I found the post i was thinking of :
The way I've currently got them set up, you can use the Intrepid bridge and interior on any Federation ship that doesn't have a locked specialty interior (like the Xindi ship). When you choose an Intrepid bridge, it automatically associates to an Intrepid interior. Thus, if you choose the 2410 Voyager variant (with Borg alcoves and kitchen), you get the Voyager bridge and ready room and conference room. You can't mix and match this, so you can't take, say, an Odyssey bridge with the Voyager interior decks. You can, however, choose to use a Voyager bridge and interior set on your Odyssey-class ship.
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We have more than enough T6 Fed ships, yet only 2, freakin' 2!!!, KDF and 2 Romulan T6 ships. And where is our Romulan True Science carrier with 2 hanger bays? Unless Cryptic is releasing more KDF and Romulan T6 ships, alot of people's wallets are not going to open anytime soon.
The way I've currently got them set up, you can use the Intrepid bridge and interior on any Federation ship that doesn't have a locked specialty interior (like the Xindi ship). When you choose an Intrepid bridge, it automatically associates to an Intrepid interior. Thus, if you choose the 2410 Voyager variant (with Borg alcoves and kitchen), you get the Voyager bridge and ready room and conference room. You can't mix and match this, so you can't take, say, an Odyssey bridge with the Voyager interior decks. You can, however, choose to use a Voyager bridge and interior set on your Odyssey-class ship.
The amount of content demonstrates otherwise. Besides, aren't those only Steam users? Hardly a gauge for the entire STO community.
and you think that non-steam users for some miracle reason would act different?
i dont think so.... they play the same game... the like the same stuff... they dislike the same stuff... they react like all STO players do.
Look, just...They aren't coming, okay? not coming. The Delta Rising pack was a statement of intent, from a lead developer known for his personal hostility to KDF as a faction, and non-Federation players in general.
what we have, is the bare contractual minimum necessary for Cryptic to keep the license, and we're not getting more than that, minus serious changes in the command structure at Cryptic Studios-which isn't going to happen.
The only reason the Intrepid got moved up was the poor (Relative to projections) performance (based on publicly available sources like Steam) of Delta Rising, the drop in players, and the backlash. They're doubling down on trying to lure money from Federation players rather than tapping the KDF, because they've spent the last four years passive-aggressively trying to get rid of KDF players.
As for Romulans-they've got your money, they don't care about you either, but they hate you slightly less.
KDF has gotten the shaft over the years, I'll give you that; but Roms got their SRO boffs and Enhanced Battle Cloak, thus already havig more than everyone else.
Roms, otoh, have only 1 bridge, LOL. They could use some love in that area too.
The way I've currently got them set up, you can use the Intrepid bridge and interior on any Federation ship that doesn't have a locked specialty interior (like the Xindi ship). When you choose an Intrepid bridge, it automatically associates to an Intrepid interior. Thus, if you choose the 2410 Voyager variant (with Borg alcoves and kitchen), you get the Voyager bridge and ready room and conference room. You can't mix and match this, so you can't take, say, an Odyssey bridge with the Voyager interior decks. You can, however, choose to use a Voyager bridge and interior set on your Odyssey-class ship.
- jheinig
Cryptic Studios Team
Will these 2014 bridges be sold separately? is the question.
KDF has gotten the shaft over the years, I'll give you that; but Roms got their SRO boffs and Enhanced Battle Cloak, thus already havig more than everyone else.
Roms, otoh, have only 1 bridge, LOL. They could use some love in that area too.
Romulans are the KDF Mk II in STO. This was aparent 6 months after LoR hit.
Romulans are the KDF Mk II in STO. This was aparent 6 months after LoR hit.
I think this was decided during development already. Romulans aren't even a faction, you can't play a "Romulan" in STO. You play Starfleet or KDF, there is no other option in this game
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I will buy the Pathfinder anyway, I just dont understand that the Dauntless got this Science and Tactical focus, and the Pathfinder only a focus for Science.
I know she is not the Voyager, but still I hoped for a LTC Universal station
13 Pages and no Anserwers from Cryptic if we can use the new Voyager Interior on any other ships ... like maybe the Fleet Variante T5-U or any other ship we have
like i use now the Belfast an many ships
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Will these 2014 bridges be sold separately? is the question.
Damn straight this is the BIG question. I only have 800 zen in my in-game bank, and no real world monies to spend on such things at the mo...so I'm grinding out dilithium to exchange. Which is annoying being new, 'cos I'm trying to upgrade stuff too to mark 14 and 15 stuff.
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Please Cryptic, please sell me the bridge and interior separately. Consider it my Christmas present from you guys...that I'll pay you for.
49 Sides and no Anserwers from Cryptic if we can use the new Voyager Interior on any other ships ... like maybe the Fleet Variante T5-U or any other ship we have
49 sides? Is that some hypercube or something?! :P Seiten = pages.
Anyway, your question was already answered: yes, new Voyager bridge can be used on any other ship with a non-fixed interior/bridge.
Still like to know, my own self, whether new Voyager bridge can be bought separately.
I want the voyager interior and bridge, and in anticipation of being sold separately, have spent the last month dilithium grinding and converting into zen for this very purpose. As of posting this, I have 800 zen for the favour. So those of you in the know understand such dedication and time.
I'm shy on real-world monies right now, so this is my only means. And I'd rather not have to grind out approximately 7000 - 8000 zen from dilithium just because Cryptic were short sighted as to the wants of their customers.
So CRYPTIC...separate bridge and interior on the c-store...I beg you.
Give it time guys. If they do plan to release the interior/bridge on its own, there's no way they're going to say so up front. Their goal is to push players that want it into buying the full pack.
If they do decide to sell it on its own, they'll wait until those sales drop before announcing how well they listen to their players, and now they're offering those items on their own, just because we asked!
so glad I held off on getting the fleet intrepid lol.
In addition to these three great options for purchasing the Pathfinder there will also be a $5 discount on every Pathfinder microtransaction from Thursday morning through Monday morning.
Trendy can you elaborate on this at all? Last I checked you can only buy a ship once, or is this discount for EVERYONE who buys the ship, and the Monday-ers get the better discounted price?
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so glad I held off on getting the fleet intrepid lol.
Trendy can you elaborate on this at all? Last I checked you can only buy a ship once, or is this discount for EVERYONE who buys the ship, and the Monday-ers get the better discounted price?
You can only buy the ship once, there is a $5 discount for everyone who buys a Pathfinder class ship (So if this 3 ship pack is 5000 zen, it is only 4500 zen), and if you buy it on Thursday after Patch or Monday in a rush it is still only a $5 dollar discount.
This is the reason why i didnt bother upgrading my oddesy ships.
T6 versions will come out soon and i will be able to buy those. I would rather spend t6 $30 on a ship than $7 for a upgrade that is now PROVEN to be useless.
I feel for you but I will wait.
My eclipse has 5 ship traits it can slot. That means i can buy T6 of all of my ships.
*Patiently sits back and waits for cryptic to T6 all ships*
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It's not what happens in the end that concerns me, so much as in the now. If I want a voyager bridge and interior...should I be held to ransom in buying a T6 version of the ship too?
Not so far as I'm concerned. Oh well, I'll guess we'll see what's, what come the release...
Three of which are science ships. I've taken the money I was going to spend on Zen this holiday season and will put it some place more entertaining since my Federation Romulan science toon can't use the Federation T6 ships and there are no Science T6 warbirds available yet. There are some games on Steam I've been looking at, now seems a good time to get them.
The interior Is fused with the bridge so you can't mix and match, but it was stated that the Interior would be usable on any Federation ship.
( Which is good, because the Bridge and interior work well for a range of ship's unlike say the Belfast which is only really for small vessels )
The same post also cleared up some confusion about what the differences were between the two interior versions
EDIT I found the post i was thinking of :
The way I've currently got them set up, you can use the Intrepid bridge and interior on any Federation ship that doesn't have a locked specialty interior (like the Xindi ship). When you choose an Intrepid bridge, it automatically associates to an Intrepid interior. Thus, if you choose the 2410 Voyager variant (with Borg alcoves and kitchen), you get the Voyager bridge and ready room and conference room. You can't mix and match this, so you can't take, say, an Odyssey bridge with the Voyager interior decks. You can, however, choose to use a Voyager bridge and interior set on your Odyssey-class ship.
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Although Thursday isn't too far off. I would love to see more screenshots of the interiors and bridges and their differences before I cave. :cool:
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Speaking of which, as have said before, let's hope that they actually TELL us something this time. I really don't wish to see a repeat of what occurred pre-expansion, with no info pertaining to new item prices EVER released pre-patch, and us having to log into the game post-patch to ascertain/confirm the T5-U upgrades and T6 ship costs.
Sorry - that was a VERY poor show.
I notice they tend to do it when it involves a controversial thing. Saying no T5's would ever be T6 and then going back on it a month after launch is one of the more ruthless things they've done to the playerbase, so I imagine you won't get a price confirmation until you log in.
They know they've done a bad thing so are trying to downplay it.
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The fleet ambassador actually has no modern counterpart, both the free "ambassador" and the fleet one both look like just the same old ambassador.
In those 40 some pages, how many different people are actually complaining? That's why people are calling it the "vocal minority."
I will write a blank check for an Andy **** boff or doff. He's in some legal trouble right now, and would probably do voiceover work for a bag of Doritos.
*Edit* Come on, **** is his last name!
i agree roms and klingons need more T6 traits aside from the 2 T6 ships they have cause i sure as heck not getting lockbox or lobi ships for those traits and geko said we get traits otherways so when are the roms and klingons getting those otherway traits?
/double win! Great ship + very stylish modern interior! :cool:
Of course, now i have to mention a T6 Nova.
I think the interior for the Nova would be relatively easy now to create. It's a mix / variation from the Intrepid interior and Prometheus bridge.
But maybe we can use the new Intrepid interior on other ships too? Huh Cryptic? Hint, hint ...
It does have a new optional skin.
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I would love if we could choose the boff layout by our own or transfer it form one ship to the other.
This was confirmed in another Thread.
The interior Is fused with the bridge so you can't mix and match, but it was stated that the Interior would be usable on any Federation ship.
( Which is good, because the Bridge and interior work well for a range of ship's unlike say the Belfast which is only really for small vessels )
The same post also cleared up some confusion about what the differences were between the two interior versions
EDIT I found the post i was thinking of :
The way I've currently got them set up, you can use the Intrepid bridge and interior on any Federation ship that doesn't have a locked specialty interior (like the Xindi ship). When you choose an Intrepid bridge, it automatically associates to an Intrepid interior. Thus, if you choose the 2410 Voyager variant (with Borg alcoves and kitchen), you get the Voyager bridge and ready room and conference room. You can't mix and match this, so you can't take, say, an Odyssey bridge with the Voyager interior decks. You can, however, choose to use a Voyager bridge and interior set on your Odyssey-class ship.
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WHERE IS OUR OTHER T6 ROMULAN AND KDF SHIPS?
We have more than enough T6 Fed ships, yet only 2, freakin' 2!!!, KDF and 2 Romulan T6 ships. And where is our Romulan True Science carrier with 2 hanger bays? Unless Cryptic is releasing more KDF and Romulan T6 ships, alot of people's wallets are not going to open anytime soon.
Thx for spreading the info adverbero. Good news.
and you think that non-steam users for some miracle reason would act different?
i dont think so.... they play the same game... the like the same stuff... they dislike the same stuff... they react like all STO players do.
KDF has gotten the shaft over the years, I'll give you that; but Roms got their SRO boffs and Enhanced Battle Cloak, thus already havig more than everyone else.
Roms, otoh, have only 1 bridge, LOL. They could use some love in that area too.
Will these 2014 bridges be sold separately? is the question.
Romulans are the KDF Mk II in STO. This was aparent 6 months after LoR hit.
I think this was decided during development already. Romulans aren't even a faction, you can't play a "Romulan" in STO. You play Starfleet or KDF, there is no other option in this game
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I know she is not the Voyager, but still I hoped for a LTC Universal station
like i use now the Belfast an many ships
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Damn straight this is the BIG question. I only have 800 zen in my in-game bank, and no real world monies to spend on such things at the mo...so I'm grinding out dilithium to exchange. Which is annoying being new, 'cos I'm trying to upgrade stuff too to mark 14 and 15 stuff.
:eek:
Please Cryptic, please sell me the bridge and interior separately. Consider it my Christmas present from you guys...that I'll pay you for.
These are the voyages of the U.S.S. Pioneer...
49 sides? Is that some hypercube or something?! :P Seiten = pages.
Anyway, your question was already answered: yes, new Voyager bridge can be used on any other ship with a non-fixed interior/bridge.
Still like to know, my own self, whether new Voyager bridge can be bought separately.
I want the voyager interior and bridge, and in anticipation of being sold separately, have spent the last month dilithium grinding and converting into zen for this very purpose. As of posting this, I have 800 zen for the favour. So those of you in the know understand such dedication and time.
I'm shy on real-world monies right now, so this is my only means. And I'd rather not have to grind out approximately 7000 - 8000 zen from dilithium just because Cryptic were short sighted as to the wants of their customers.
So CRYPTIC...separate bridge and interior on the c-store...I beg you.
These are the voyages of the U.S.S. Pioneer...
If they do decide to sell it on its own, they'll wait until those sales drop before announcing how well they listen to their players, and now they're offering those items on their own, just because we asked!
Trendy can you elaborate on this at all? Last I checked you can only buy a ship once, or is this discount for EVERYONE who buys the ship, and the Monday-ers get the better discounted price?
"I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment... because they'll never come again. What we leave behind is not as important as how we lived" Picard to Riker
You can only buy the ship once, there is a $5 discount for everyone who buys a Pathfinder class ship (So if this 3 ship pack is 5000 zen, it is only 4500 zen), and if you buy it on Thursday after Patch or Monday in a rush it is still only a $5 dollar discount.
T6 versions will come out soon and i will be able to buy those. I would rather spend t6 $30 on a ship than $7 for a upgrade that is now PROVEN to be useless.
I feel for you but I will wait.
My eclipse has 5 ship traits it can slot. That means i can buy T6 of all of my ships.
*Patiently sits back and waits for cryptic to T6 all ships*
Not so far as I'm concerned. Oh well, I'll guess we'll see what's, what come the release...
:rolleyes:
These are the voyages of the U.S.S. Pioneer...
Although Thursday isn't too far off. I would love to see more screenshots of the interiors and bridges and their differences before I cave. :cool:
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I notice they tend to do it when it involves a controversial thing. Saying no T5's would ever be T6 and then going back on it a month after launch is one of the more ruthless things they've done to the playerbase, so I imagine you won't get a price confirmation until you log in.
They know they've done a bad thing so are trying to downplay it.