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Cryptic, I'd Gladly Buy an Upgrade Token for Full T6

hausofmartokhausofmartok Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited November 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Devs, please give us an upgrade option to allow us to bring our favorite ships up to T6. I can't speak for everyone, but seeing as T5U is 700 zen, 1500 zen would be fair enough IMO. I think it would make a lot of people really happy to be able to stick with their favorite ships and still have them be top tier.
Or maybe you could re-release the canon ships as T6 Retrofits or something like that. At this point, why would anyone buy a T5 ship in the Zen Store, upgrade it to fleet, and then upgrade it to T5-U?
I have one ship that got a free upgrade to T5-U, and a Fleet Atrox that needs an upgrade but I'm on the fence on whether or not ship mastery skills and some extra hull are worth the zen...
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  • xaramanxaraman Member Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    To make that viable for Cryptic (considering T6 ships are 3000z), it would have to be more expensive than 1500z. Maybe 2000-2500z
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    It would be too much work with designing unique Starship Mastery traits for each ship. There are about 80 Tier 5 and Tier 5.5 ships (not including variants or Fleet ships) that would need a unique Starship Mastery trait compared to the 11 Tier 6 ships that currently exist. As far as why anyone would buy Tier 5 ships, there are some T5-U ships that are far better than current Tier 6 ships.
  • xaramanxaraman Member Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    More like 3,000 Zen. If they allow a cheap method of upgrading to T6, they believe they'll lose out on full T6 ship sales.
    But remember, you'd still have to upgrade to T5U first. Step up ship upgrade system. Normal tokens to get your T1 to T5U, then the magic T6 upgrade token.

    This way they could make a fortune off the canon players ;)
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    edited November 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    It would be too much work with designing unique Starship Mastery traits for each ship. There are about 80 Tier 5 and Tier 5.5 ships (not including variants or Fleet ships) that would need a unique Starship Mastery trait compared to the 11 Tier 6 ships that currently exist. As far as why anyone would buy Tier 5 ships, there are some T5-U ships that are far better than current Tier 6 ships.

    I always assumed if they did T5U to T6, it would simply be:

    Only available for Fleet/Lockbox Quality T5U ships.

    Hybrid BO stations with the extra BO power.

    GENERIC T6 Mastery Trait. Maybe one for each ship class or maybe just a single shared one for all upgrades.
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  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    The option for it, however expensive, should be made available. If Cryptic is concerned that it will hurt t6 ship sales, the upgrade could be, for example, just for 1 or 2 hybrid Intel/Regular boff seats and the release could be delayed for a while until t6 sales die down.
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Man, do you know the whining that would happen if people had to buy an upgrade token for T5U, and then T6?

    Good idea, but Cryptic would lose the PR campaign there too.
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  • xaramanxaraman Member Posts: 291 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    there isn't any real difference besides the Search for weaknesses gimick.
    There isn't even that on all T6 ships (Benthan and Hazari). As regards boffs and slots, FT5U is roughly the same as T6.

    The biggest difference are the T6 traits. Extra slottable traits (max of 4) that can be used on any ship once you acheive M5 on your T6 ship. The more T6 ships you have, the more extra traits you can select on any of your ships.
  • hausofmartokhausofmartok Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    cmdrscarlet wrote: »
    Man, do you know the whining that would happen if people had to buy an upgrade token for T5U, and then T6?

    Good idea, but Cryptic would lose the PR campaign there too.

    I'm not so sure. This is not about having to do anything. Just about having the option. And to the reply that they would lose out on new T6 ship sales, there are a lot of players out there that buy things for the aesthetics and may want to buy Cryptic design T6 ships just because they like them. And you've got those players that just enjoy collecting ships and would buy them anyway.

    Just from my casual observations, looks like T6 sales haven't been that great. Seems like a win-win. They can do a generic starship mastery as someone else mentioned. Considering there are 80 ships like someone said, maybe they could start with the top 5 ships based on player sales or run a poll on which ships players would like to see made upgradeable.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    xaraman wrote: »
    There isn't even that on all T6 ships (Benthan and Hazari). As regards boffs and slots, FT5U is roughly the same as T6.

    The biggest difference are the T6 traits. Extra slottable traits (max of 4) that can be used on any ship once you acheive M5 on your T6 ship. The more T6 ships you have, the more extra traits you can select on any of your ships.

    There are currently 3 starship traits available for completing each specialization tree. It is not necessary to get a Tier 6 ship just to fill up your Starship Trait slots.
  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    There are currently 3 starship traits available for completing each specialization tree. It is not necessary to get a Tier 6 ship just to fill up your Starship Trait slots.

    4>3 ?

    Also unless they change the demolitions I think you can ignore that one so 4>2


    I'm considering whether to buy 1 or 2 ships for traits or get the delta pack - just for the ship traits. It's a really difficult decision. Ideas?
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  • astimingpyleastimingpyle Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    alaric63 wrote: »
    I have both T5-U and T6 ships. I believe they are about the same. The Intel ships have some novelty skills but they are more than comparable. I fly my T5-U as my primary ship. IT is better than the T6.

    The point I want to make is: T5-U is an up-grade to T6, with the designation indicating the ships origin. Don't make so much of the T6 tier being the higher tier, there isn't any real difference besides the Search for weaknesses gimick. It's really just a label, not a badge.

    I agree for the most part, as there are a few T5 and T5-U ships that are either on par, or are actually superior to their closest T6 counterpart. The one big difference is, the T5-U does not offer ship traits via level 5 Ship Mastery as T5-U only go to level 4 Ship Mastery.
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  • chipg7chipg7 Member Posts: 1,577 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I've got to agree with a couple posters in here that, in my experience, T6 isn't a T5-killer. I think Cryptic made good on their promise that T6 ships would not be 'better' than T5 or T5-U - they'd just be 'different,' with the extra mastery level and the BOFF specialization thing.

    I have both. My T5's shred enemies just as well, and in some cases better than, a T6.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    sheldonlcooper wrote: »
    4>3 ?

    Also unless they change the demolitions I think you can ignore that one so 4>2


    I'm considering whether to buy 1 or 2 ships for traits or get the delta pack - just for the ship traits. It's a really difficult decision. Ideas?

    Cryptic will release more specializations so there will be more than 4 starship traits to choose from for free. There is also the possibility of Cryptic releasing them in future lockboxes.

    I never gave an opinion on how good they were. I just said if you want to fill up your starship trait slots for free, then you can. Of course, you have to wait a few months until they release the next specialization.
  • apollinariusapollinarius Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I'm all for the full upgrade, if only for the simple reason that there isn't any T6 carrier... And all the T6 ships out right now look like a**. I mean, bum. I mean...

    On the other hand, they just released T6 ships, so I expect way more will be coming. That's why I'm sticking with my T5Us and will stay there for a while longer.
  • eiledoneiledon Member Posts: 595 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    yes why release a token, when you can simply add the exact same ship to the cstore, but make it T6, give it a unique power and get people to buy it twice. or even a third time.
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  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Not gonna happen just wait till everyone wasted money on T5U, that's when they'll re-release every Ship as T6 (3000+ Zen) ... :P
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  • mikeflmikefl Member Posts: 861 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    I'm sure there is something already in the works to make many T5 ships some sort of T6 via a refit that can be sold all over again. I've had to buy several ships I owned again when they rolled out higher grades of the same thing.

    I could also see a new fleet holding coming to the Delta Quadrant that could unlock T6 refits of several ships for upgrade and fleet tokens. This would be similar to the Dyson Spire.
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  • walshicuswalshicus Member Posts: 1,314 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Just reclassify T5U as T6 and slap on some basic, genetic starship traits at Lvl 5 mastery. There's no need to confuse things with T5U...
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  • josan369josan369 Member Posts: 114 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    thutmosis85 wrote: »
    Not gonna happen just wait till everyone wasted money on T5U, that's when they'll re-release every Ship as T6 (3000+ Zen) ... :P

    Nah, I doubt that there ever will be a new Tier 5 Ship from here on out. We already know about the Tier 6 Fleet Ships, so I'll hold off on my comments until I see the Fleet versions of the Tier 6 Ships. Who knows, maybe the Tier 6 Fleet (or the other Tier 6 Ships that are coming) will be the types of ships we all want. Until then, I'll just enjoy using my Eclipse Cruiser and Fleet Patrol Escort Refit (upgraded of course) to blow things up.

    But the chances of them allowing us to upgrade our Tier 5's to Tier 6 are somewhere around "never going to happen" and "pigs growing wings and flying". My Tier 5 Upgrade ship is good enough for me. :D
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  • xuelxuel Member Posts: 169 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    valoreah wrote: »
    More like 3,000 Zen. If they allow a cheap method of upgrading to T6, they believe they'll lose out on full T6 ship sales.


    3k zen for upgrade t5 to t6 UMM NO THANK YOU. T6 ships are 3k, so if a t5 to t6 upgrade was 3k, that's 3k zen add'd to the 2-2.5k zen t5 prices. So you'd be spending 5k-5.5k zen. I'd say 1.5k-2k would be are more rounded price for something like a t5 to t6 upgrade. Now for lockbox, lobi or event ships I can see a 3k zen price upgrade, as you don't need to spend zen for these ships.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited November 2014
    I had an idea that would relieve SOME of the desire to see certain designs hit higher tiers, while keeping in mind certain 'it will not happen ever' that cryptic has stated in the past. Its linked in my sig, an I'll link it right here for ease. Like others, I don't see them allowing upgrades to t6 except in very rare cases. PWE has fully converted them over to the monetary grind system basically and allowing that would be counter to that interest.
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  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    xaraman wrote: »
    To make that viable for Cryptic (considering T6 ships are 3000z), it would have to be more expensive than 1500z. Maybe 2000-2500z

    I wouldn't even mind paying the full 3,000 Zen. I just want my existing ships to become T6, please?
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    edited November 2014
    chipg7 wrote: »
    I've got to agree with a couple posters in here that, in my experience, T6 isn't a T5-killer. I think Cryptic made good on their promise that T6 ships would not be 'better' than T5 or T5-U - they'd just be 'different,' with the extra mastery level and the BOFF specialization thing.

    I have both. My T5's shred enemies just as well, and in some cases better than, a T6.

    I think this is mostly true but that with Fleet T6, T5U will need an upgrade.
  • ruminate00ruminate00 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    Once Cryptic adds more specializations, i'm pretty sure there'll be a way to add a specialized lieutenant boff seating to existing T5Us, thus; turning them into T6s in all but name.
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    ruminate00 wrote: »
    Once Cryptic adds more specializations, i'm pretty sure there'll be a way to add a specialized lieutenant boff seating to existing T5Us, thus; turning them into T6s in all but name.

    I hope so!

    And, for the record, making them T6 should NOT result in losing a Console slot. :P Just sayin'.
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  • f0xef0xe Member Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited November 2014
    starkaos wrote: »
    It would be too much work with designing unique Starship Mastery traits for each ship. There are about 80 Tier 5 and Tier 5.5 ships (not including variants or Fleet ships) that would need a unique Starship Mastery trait compared to the 11 Tier 6 ships that currently exist. As far as why anyone would buy Tier 5 ships, there are some T5-U ships that are far better than current Tier 6 ships.

    From my prospective: If every ship had a unique mastery it would be my goal to get all the ships so i can obtain all the mysteries. Thus i would spend money to get those ships.
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