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  • stonewbiestonewbie Member Posts: 1,454 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    fenr00k wrote: »
    "Dear supermarket

    Please stop selling so many varieties of bread, and start selling more varieties of asparagus

    Or maybe instead of making so many varieties of bread they should slice some of those loaves up and learn how to make some peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or how about some grilled ham and cheese sandwiches?
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    fenr00k wrote: »
    "Dear supermarket

    Please stop selling so many varieties of bread, and start selling more varieties of asparagus.

    I really like asparagus and feel realy angry that you sell so many types of bread, but so few of asparagus.

    You clearly don't want us asparagus lovers to spend money, and want us to stop coming to your supermarket, as if you felt differently you would sell as many varieties of asparagus as you do bread. Don't you realise that if you make more varieties of asparagus available, more people will buy asparagus and it will become more popular?

    You clearly hate asparagus lovers!"

    You folks do realise that this is how this thread reads don't you? You fail to recognise that no amount of adding more and more Klingon or Romulan ships, and less federation ones, will get people to want to play these more? Which is why Crytic spend more time and effort creating new federation ships.

    As others have tried to point out, Star Trek is about the Federation and Starfleet, it is NOT about Romulans or Klingons. THAT is why there will always be more players wanting to play Feds, not because they have more or better ships. Cryptic would be pretty stupid to not recognise this, and to focus more of their efforts on fed players.

    Just because you think that your faction of choice is awesome, does not mean that everybody else feels the same way.

    Seriously, threads like this need adding to the FCT. They keep coming up time and time again, and those creating them, and agreeing with them, just see it as Crypic hating their fave faction, rather than recognising that Cryptic are just going where the money is to be found. If Cryptic hated KDF or Romulans they'd just remove them, or stop making anything for them.

    I take it you've never played Star Trek games before.
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  • wilbor2wilbor2 Member Posts: 1,684 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    I am willing to buy a new kdf sci ship as long as its alot better then the DSD. I am one of the kdf players that got the dsd pack to support new kdf ships. I messed about with the DSD for 6 weeks ish before i went back to my fleet kar'fi.

    To say there is no everdence to a clam when i for 1 plus a few fleet members of HOB n OE (both maxed out fleet holdings so large fleets) is a bit arrogent. all so ur ignoring meny people here that wont new T6 but the ships they brought out dont fit there the way they like to play.

    Kdf tac Rogue1 fleet hoh'sus (BoP) RogueCat sci fleet kar'fi (carrier) i wont a good sci ship for this char at lest on par with the vesta but not a lockbox ship.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    It not behavior that is only found in Star Trek games. Fans of all IP's act that way. Doesn't matter if it's video games or sports teams. Even the most suckiest faction/team still has it's die hard fans that think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. :rolleyes:

    And yet it's never stopped other developers of past Star Trek games to flesh out the game experience when they allowed multi-faction play. And they of course had to go to great lengths to do so since onscreen canon ships were more limited for the Klingons & Romulans. Yet they went ahead and did so and fleshed out their lineups to make the game experience valid regardless of faction.

    And yet, in another example, it's never stopped past Star Wars game developers to go to lengths in providing a good experience when they did multi-faction play. Sure, the Rebels and all get more game coverage. The movies were all about the Rebels, etc. Yet it never stopped game developers from letting players play the Galactic Empire and provide the looks, sounds, gear, ships, of the Empire so players can use and enjoy them.

    Yet in STO, we just have lazy development.
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  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Yes the devs are lazy because they cater to the tens of thousands of other paying customers instead of you. :rolleyes:
    Much lower budget Star Trek games than STO have managed to treat the big three (Federation, Klingons, Star Empire) equally.

    And I do think it's not within the realm of absurdities to expect an MMO game to treat the playable factions with at least the pretense of equality.
  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    It isn't really a concern guys.
    The kdf, up until LOR was by far, the worst faction you will ever see in an mmo. On mmo review sites, everyone talked about how unprofessional it was to even have the kdf as an option when compared to the federation.
    After 4 years cryptic fixed it.
    But it never occurred to cryptic, ever, to cash in on it. The never released new c store ships. Costumes.anything. Cryptic does not want money from kdf players.
    The kdf is the perfect example of f2p. Their is no cash stop for us.
    So don't worry.
    Even the stock holders of pwe stocks say "yeah, don't cash in on them".

    So just horde dilithium and zen and play without any concern to spend it.
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • fenr00kfenr00k Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    chalpen wrote: »
    But it never occurred to cryptic, ever, to cash in on it. The never released new c store ships. Costumes.anything. Cryptic does not want money from kdf players.
    .

    That isn't actually true though is it? Or did I hallucinate the Mogh, DSD pack and the new KDF T6 ships? Not to mention the new KDF fleet uniforms?

    Oh and yeah, I've seen this kind of behaviour before. The minority faction group who think their faction is the best, even though the majority prefer another. It happens in every single game that is based on an IP and has factions. Doesn't mean I am going to agree with it though, and join in with the sheep who complain even when they get given something new for free... ;)

    Give the KDF more c-store ships, all that will happen is that more KDF players will denounce the "latest cash grab attempt" and more ships will sit in the c-store with low sales numbers. But I forget, STO is run by a charity for disgruntled Klingon wannabees. :D
  • breadandcircusesbreadandcircuses Member Posts: 2,355 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    fenr00k wrote: »
    The minority faction group who think their faction is the best, even though the majority prefer another.

    The point is waaaaaaay over there
    > .

    See the thing is, we all know that the KDF and Rom aren't superior... they aren't even close to being equivalent. They have 40% of the T6 Federation ship selection, based on the information released as of now. Sure, folks with KDF or Rom characters might want gameplay and faction balance, but so long as the company can sell that sense of superiority to a few Fed players it's good business sense to not take money from KDF and Rom folks, right?

    Well, actually, some of the marketing psychology involved is exactly that... which is kind of sad. :(
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  • darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    lindaleff wrote: »
    The reason most people play Starfleet is BECAUSE of the lack of good KDF stuff.

    No, the reason most people play Starfleet is because the Star Trek franchise is all about Starfleet.
    deokkent wrote: »
    The advert doesn't tell you to become part of Starfleet, they tell you to become part of Trek.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but Starfleet is Star Trek.

    TOS - 79 episodes
    TAS - 22 episodes
    TNG - 179 episodes
    DS9 - 173 episodes
    VOY - 168 episodes
    ENT - 97 episodes

    10 (+2 JJ) movies, 718 episodes.

    Maybe 1% of the franchise (and none of the movies) are not about Starfleet or its predecessor.
    And yet, in another example, it's never stopped past Star Wars game developers to go to lengths in providing a good experience when they did multi-faction play. Sure, the Rebels and all get more game coverage. The movies were all about the Rebels, etc. Yet it never stopped game developers from letting players play the Galactic Empire and provide the looks, sounds, gear, ships, of the Empire so players can use and enjoy them.

    This is a misrepresentation. The movies were not "all about the Rebels". Unlike the Romulans or the Klingons in Star Trek, the Empire is a constant threat and presence in Star Wars.

    The entire franchise starts with an Imperial Star Destroyer blasting at a courier ship. They are present at almost every key event in the original trilogy, except for the Slave Leia sequence.

    The prequel trilogy lacks the Rebellion entirely, showing the rise of the Empire, with the origins of Vader, the Stormtroopers, and the eventual Emperor Palpatine.

    The Jedi/Sith and the Empire have a greater presence throughout the movies than the Rebel Alliance, and the most iconic character in the franchise is Vader.
  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    darkjeff wrote: »
    The Jedi/Sith and the Empire have a greater presence throughout the movies than the Rebel Alliance, and the most iconic character in the franchise is Vader.
    yeppers! the entire 6 movies are about vadar and the empire: his and its rise and his and its destruction. the entire series is a vadar opera. the alliance and jedi are nothing but a sidebar to vadar's story.
  • neppakyoneppakyo Member Posts: 245 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    Im for more KDF stuff, but romulans can go f**k themselves.
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  • strykewolf67strykewolf67 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    After reading on, and looking at, the ships. The Rom/KDF stuff looks better, over all, to me. The only fed ship that interests me is the Guardian. And that is, mostly, because it has the layout that I want for my fed character.
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  • bubblebaflebubblebafle Member Posts: 273 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    ladymyajha wrote: »
    Common developer practice is you look at who plays what faction and how many people play a certain faction, figure out percentages, and then divide dev time based on those percentages. Basically the faction that gets them the most money, gets the most dev time. That's not just STO but pretty much all games.

    You dont have any idea at all. Other games, as you said, can be focused more on one faction or another giving one faction a little difference about attention, but the difference between factions in STO is too far away from that point. Someone will think that you are really new in STO lol. Of course money for cryptic is essential and they NEVER do anything if it is not going to report any benefits. But the players are the ones who give cryptic the money, and A LOT of em play as a klingon or a romulan. I dont see why the KDF or the romulan side should be so abandoned. There is no reason at all.

    But again, it is useless to try to find an explanation. Everything cryptic does has no sense at all, so its better to just stick with the things we have and stop making posts about this or anything else.

    We should just focus on creating posts about how cool is this new system (even if it is broken lol), how cool are these ships how cool will be DR, how cool will be the new queues and watever you want. But anything else.. it is prohibitied. People dont care, anyways so how can you expect cryptic to care for em?? lol.
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  • whiterookwhiterook Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Talking about COH makes me sad

    Yeah, but what is even sadder is that this same thread gets recycled in every game forum that there is! Sigh...:rolleyes:
  • darkjeffdarkjeff Member Posts: 2,590 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    skollulfr wrote: »
    second funny thing, people making bitchy comparisons to star wars.
    a franchise thats based more in its own EU than its own on screen canon, while completly ignoring the star trek EU in which the romulans, kdf and many others in trek are the focus of these EU stories.

    Those who are about the EU are not casual fans, and are a minority.
  • oldravenman3025oldravenman3025 Member Posts: 1,892 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    darkjeff wrote: »
    Those who are about the EU are not casual fans, and are a minority.




    True.

    But to be fair, STO does incorporate some elements of the non-canon expanded universe in it's background story. I'm guessing for the purposes of fleshing things out, and filling in holes left in hard canon, as a starting point for their own stories.
  • sinn74sinn74 Member Posts: 1,149 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    It's very odd to me that people are so vehemently against more varied content.

    "Can we get more KDF Stuff?"

    "No, FFS stop asking. I dont want it!"

    It's even more funny when the word "entitlement" is used, because these are people saying they don't want someone else to have content THEY don't want.

    More options>less options.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    It not behavior that is only found in Star Trek games. Fans of all IP's act that way. Doesn't matter if it's video games or sports teams. Even the most suckiest faction/team still has it's die hard fans that think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. :rolleyes:
    I remember a conversation I had about the movie Predators where the other guy talked about how every movie made since the original Predator was worse than the last, yadda yadda, and eventually said that he wished that the studio had stopped making them after the second.... and claimed that he actually liked the franchise....

    Anyways.... if people REALLY want more stuff for the KDF and Romulans... they should vote with their wallets and buy the stuff that already exists for them. It's the only vote that counts.
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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    sinn74 wrote: »
    It's very odd to me that people are so vehemently against more varied content.

    "Can we get more KDF Stuff?"

    "No, FFS stop asking. I dont want it!"

    It's even more funny when the word "entitlement" is used, because these are people saying they don't want someone else to have content THEY don't want.

    More options>less options.
    many people don't consider cstore stuff to be content. it's just pretty things you can buy to make your playing experience go slightly faster. you can use a free luna class, or you can buy a cstore intrepid and get a few more perks, or you can buy a fleet luna and get a few more perks to play, but it's not really content.

    i don't see most people saying they don't want others to get stuff. instead they're saying they understand why they're not getting stuff. it's an issues of profit. if a ship takes 3 people a month to make and sell it costs the same to make whether that ships is fed, kdf, or rom. from a profit perspective it's better for them to sell 20k fed ships then 5k kdf ships. same amount of work to make but 4x more profit. that's a business no brainer.

    most players couldn't care less if the kdf and roms got 10 new ships each. what most players really want is more playable content: missions, endgame, and so on. all the shiny ships in the world are useless if you don't have any reason to play them.
  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    stf65 wrote: »
    many people don't consider cstore stuff to be content. it's just pretty things you can buy to make your playing experience go slightly faster. you can use a free luna class, or you can buy a cstore intrepid and get a few more perks, or you can buy a fleet luna and get a few more perks to play, but it's not really content.

    i don't see most people saying they don't want others to get stuff. instead they're saying they understand why they're not getting stuff. it's an issues of profit. if a ship takes 3 people a month to make and sell it costs the same to make whether that ships is fed, kdf, or rom. from a profit perspective it's better for them to sell 20k fed ships then 5k kdf ships. same amount of work to make but 4x more profit. that's a business no brainer.

    most players couldn't care less if the kdf and roms got 10 new ships each. what most players really want is more playable content: missions, endgame, and so on. all the shiny ships in the world are useless if you don't have any reason to play them.
    That's simplifying things a bit too much, to be honest.

    there's somewhere upwards of 10+ NPC-only Gorn, Orion, and Nausicaan ships that could easily be flown as KDF ships with a higher-quality texture (and not even all of them require that!), easily narrowing the gap in available ships and shuttles between the two factions.

    As folks have pointed out, Cryptic have set up a system for the KDF and Romulans that feeds back into itself: Cryptic won't invest into the KDF or RR as much as the Federation, so they get less content, so they are a less attractive option to players, so Cryptic won't invest into the KDF and RR as much as the Federation....etc etc.

    I'd liken Cryptic's behavior to the 'ol food pyramid.....Cryptic is only interested at the sweet & tasty (read: lucrative) stuff at the top of that pyramid, but that's far from healthy. STO is far from a 'healthy' game in that regard, far too much focus on what is immediately profitable, with no real regard for anything else (Old content, KDF content, Romulan content)
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    That's simplifying things a bit too much, to be honest.

    there's somewhere upwards of 10+ NPC-only Gorn, Orion, and Nausicaan ships that could easily be flown as KDF ships with a higher-quality texture (and not even all of them require that!), easily narrowing the gap in available ships and shuttles between the two factions.

    As folks have pointed out, Cryptic have set up a system for the KDF and Romulans that feeds back into itself: Cryptic won't invest into the KDF or RR as much as the Federation, so they get less content, so they are a less attractive option to players, so Cryptic won't invest into the KDF and RR as much as the Federation....etc etc.

    I'd liken Cryptic's behavior to the 'ol food pyramid.....Cryptic is only interested at the sweet & tasty (read: lucrative) stuff at the top of that pyramid, but that's far from healthy. STO is far from a 'healthy' game in that regard, far too much focus on what is immediately profitable, with no real regard for anything else (Old content, KDF content, Romulan content)
    This is BS, why? LoR. Cryptic went and redid many of the KDF missions, added new ones, including some nifty new episodes rewards exclusive to KDF. Guess how many more people started playing KDF?

    some days I see more Romulans on Qo'nos than Klingon players.

    I do agree in principle on the ships though.... However I suspect that they'd likely have to be low teir ships... with gimmicks.
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  • stf65stf65 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    there's somewhere upwards of 10+ NPC-only Gorn, Orion, and Nausicaan ships that could easily be flown as KDF ships with a higher-quality texture (and not even all of them require that!), easily narrowing the gap in available ships and shuttles between the two factions.
    npc ships aren't playable. they're empty shells that use entirely different modeling. those ships would need to be completely build and modeled from step 1. jamz talked about that when he did the d'kora. it wasn't about him slipping the npc d'kora skin over an existing frame. it has to be completely redone from scratch.
    As folks have pointed out, Cryptic have set up a system for the KDF and Romulans that feeds back into itself: Cryptic won't invest into the KDF or RR as much as the Federation, so they get less content, so they are a less attractive option to players, so Cryptic won't invest into the KDF and RR as much as the Federation....etc etc.
    that's a false way of looking at it. i don't see any kdf players saying 'if cryptic gave me a k'vort i'd run right back to the game and start playing again because i coudln't care less about doing the same stfs for the 1000th time.'
  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    This is BS, why? LoR. Cryptic went and redid many of the KDF missions, added new ones, including some nifty new episodes rewards exclusive to KDF. Guess how many more people started playing KDF?

    some days I see more Romulans on Qo'nos than Klingon players.

    I do agree in principle on the ships though.... However I suspect that they'd likely have to be low teir ships... with gimmicks.

    Well, Romulan-KDF get most of the perks of being Romulan themselves. (easy contraband generation, Klingon consoles, etc) while generally having better ships.

    The KDF-revamp was pretty nifty-but it was a bit of a half measure. It made the leveling process much better, and they got rid of that stupid "you have to level a Fed character to even think of playing a KDF character" mechanic, but offered little in the way of bringing the KDF up to Fed level (new ships, costumes, etc).

    stf65 wrote: »
    npc ships aren't playable. they're empty shells that use entirely different modeling. those ships would need to be completely build and modeled from step 1. jamz talked about that when he did the d'kora. it wasn't about him slipping the npc d'kora skin over an existing frame. it has to be completely redone from scratch.


    that's a false way of looking at it. i don't see any kdf players saying 'if cryptic gave me a k'vort i'd run right back to the game and start playing again because i coudln't care less about doing the same stfs for the 1000th time.'

    Well, I can tell you don't know what you are talking about.

    The NPC ships already have shield interactions, fire points, impulse/nacelle trails, damage effects, etc in addition to textures and models done-all of that information can be reused. It'd mostly be a copy-paste job of entering model/texture etc references over to a Player-character ship template and then editing fun stuff like number/type of console, boff layout and hull points, etc.

    The ship would not need to be rebuilt from scratch. They already have a significant amount of their work done for them in regard to making NPC ships flyable.
  • lordmalak1lordmalak1 Member Posts: 4,681 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    17%

    17% was the quote IIRC, "it is a constant, it will never change".
    100% of my STO experience is in that 17%.

    They've made it crystal clear that I'm not important, they don't want my money. Still, I make do.
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  • paragruntparagrunt Member Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    atlantra wrote: »
    Yeah, but I'm tired of looking cool. We need stuff that can do stuff.... :D

    OMG!! I've been laughing so hard at this reply....It's so true though!
  • rinksterrinkster Member Posts: 3,549 Arc User
    edited October 2014
    patrickngo wrote: »

    In short, you're seeing more Romulan/KDF than KDF/KDF because there is a distinct, game-mechanics incentive to play a Rom character, even in a KDF ship, over a KDF of some other, less advantaged racial type.

    Cryptic went balls-out to make sure the Romulans were ridiculously overpowered with LoR, hten promoted the faction (fraction) with about ten times the energy they EVER gave KDF, even at release.

    And I bet they sold a LOT of Vandals to KDF/Rommies last week, for just the reasons you refer to.


    The Romulans, as a faction, have their issues, but they got a far better kick off than the KDF ever did, and the lag still shows.


    I can't argue that, with the game as it is, the KDF is the least popular faction.


    It needn't be so though, and certainly not to the same degree.


    It could also be argued that the very fact of the KDFs low population, relative to the others, is actually a huge opportunity.


    Let's turn the numbers argument around.


    In terms of growth potential, which faction has the most?


    Which faction has the most under-used monetarisation opportunities?
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