They're good for target practice. That's it. This is a species that fights interstellar wars over water, for crying out loud!
They're rock-stupid space gangbangers with bad hair. There is nothing genuinely positive about them.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
They're good for target practice. That's it. This is a species that fights interstellar wars over water, for crying out loud!
They're rock-stupid space gangbangers with bad hair. There is nothing genuinely positive about them.
A bad bargain-basement attempt at Klingon ripoffs made by low-budget hacks who didn't understand what made the Klingons good characters.
Basically, Klingons stripped of the costume design quality, the obvious alien-ness of the forehead ridges, the massive amounts of complex and oddly gender-segregated culture (Only male Klingons can sit on the High Council under most circumstances, but female Klingons have the first, last, and only say on who gets into the family and stuff like that), and the sheer quality that comes from having a member of the species on screen as a main for 10 seasons.
And Seska is attractive in that villainous sort of way. I think I have a thing for Cardassians.
That whole arc was such a waste of a character. I've got this image in my head of Martha Hackett done up in makeup similar to whoever played Natima Lang, and having her join the crew as a Cardassian to be VOY's pragmatic anti-hero a la Garak.
Instead they slapped that lumpy mask over her face and randomly chucked her into the "cackling villain" column.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
That whole arc was such a waste of a character. I've got this image in my head of Martha Hackett done up in makeup similar to whoever played Natima Lang, and having her join the crew as a Cardassian to be VOY's pragmatic anti-hero a la Garak.
Instead they slapped that lumpy mask over her face and randomly chucked her into the "cackling villain" column.
Yeah but she's a babe. The problem is that you can never fill Garak's shoes, or Dukat's, or Damars. In fact, Voyager has trouble following up Deep Space Nine. I've still enjoyed the first two seasons though.
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Also stripped of Klingon intellect. If Qo'noS were running short on water, the Klingons wouldn't jump into their ships and sail right past all the ice-bearing moons and asteroids they found in order to attack random strangers that outgunned them five to one.
The Kazon were too stupid to live. It's my fantasy that on our return to the Delta Quadrant, we'll find that the entire species was wiped out when the Ocampa realized they could be stymied by your average knock-knock joke, and seized their entire fleet under the pretense of being interstellar repo men.
Also stripped of Klingon intellect. If Qo'noS were running short on water, the Klingons wouldn't jump into their ships and sail right past all the ice-bearing moons and asteroids they found in order to attack random strangers that outgunned them five to one.
The Kazon were too stupid to live. It's my fantasy that on our return to the Delta Quadrant, we'll find that the entire species was wiped out when the Ocampa realized they could be stymied by your average knock-knock joke, and seized their entire fleet under the pretense of being interstellar repo men.
My headcanon is that the Trabe actually still secretly rule them and use them as a sort of half-trained parrot to annoy other species.
Sort of like the sivs and bullywugs in the Forgotten Realms campaign setting.
I'll admit, the Kazon ships look nice...though bear in mind that they were probably never designed by the Kazon, but by their Trabe overlords.
Also, regarding the Trabe: if your entire society can be overthrown by a race of fractured, infighting barbarians who still haven't figured out basic replicator technology (or for that matter, simple ice mining), then clearly you deserved to be overthrown.
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edited September 2014
The Kazon shall make excelent target practice for my Assault Cruiser Refit.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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They're rock-stupid space gangbangers with bad hair.
You know, if they had done something different with their hair/heads and not made them quite so Barney Fife-ish,... they wouldn't have been as bad a villain for a season or two, but Voyager stretched their story line way too long.
In my opinion, Voyager would have been a much better show, if they had had a different "villain" or at least species encounter, each season. Like each season they entered a different species space,... some good, some bad and then throw in a minor species to randomly encounter each season to build tension and drama,... just sayin'
as for the Kazon; Say something positive about: the Kazon
Um, they make goods targets?
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Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
Had they stuck to the original idea and only used teenage/early 20's actors, they could have made them an interesting "what if" version of Klingons. Two similar races with the same violent tendencies, one living two centuries and one lucky to live two decades. The Kazon could have been Klingons without the tempering influence of wisdom and tradition, instead of just generic store-brand Klingons.
I... guess that wasn't entire positive. I tried my best.
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A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
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In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
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we get to ally with some of the kazon sects against the vaadwaur in one of the DR story missions!
oh wait, that would be a negative, wouldn't it?
perhaps i should rephrase...some of the kazon sects get to act as meat shields against the vaadwaur, protecting valuable alliance lives and ships
Yeah, TRIBBLE that, I'm taking the option to just kill the Kazon and go it alone against the Vaadwaur. The ends do NOT justify the means, and there are few things more distasteful than allying with misogynistic scum like the Kazon.
There IS an option to kill the Kazon and go it alone, right?
Yeah, TRIBBLE that, I'm taking the option to just kill the Kazon and go it alone against the Vaadwaur. The ends do NOT justify the means, and there are few things more distasteful than allying with misogynistic scum like the Kazon.
There IS an option to kill the Kazon and go it alone, right?
cryptic say 'TRIBBLE you, you get kazon'
you do get to kill some of them in the process of allying, though
oh, and the mission rewards a unique epic-quality doff, so you can't skip it
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch." "We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Passion and Serenity are one.
I gain power by understanding both.
In the chaos of their battle, I bring order.
I am a shadow, darkness born from light.
The Force is united within me.
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They're rock-stupid space gangbangers with bad hair. There is nothing genuinely positive about them.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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And Seska is attractive in that villainous sort of way. I think I have a thing for Cardassians.
This description is perfect
A bad bargain-basement attempt at Klingon ripoffs made by low-budget hacks who didn't understand what made the Klingons good characters.
Basically, Klingons stripped of the costume design quality, the obvious alien-ness of the forehead ridges, the massive amounts of complex and oddly gender-segregated culture (Only male Klingons can sit on the High Council under most circumstances, but female Klingons have the first, last, and only say on who gets into the family and stuff like that), and the sheer quality that comes from having a member of the species on screen as a main for 10 seasons.
That whole arc was such a waste of a character. I've got this image in my head of Martha Hackett done up in makeup similar to whoever played Natima Lang, and having her join the crew as a Cardassian to be VOY's pragmatic anti-hero a la Garak.
Instead they slapped that lumpy mask over her face and randomly chucked her into the "cackling villain" column.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
Yeah but she's a babe. The problem is that you can never fill Garak's shoes, or Dukat's, or Damars. In fact, Voyager has trouble following up Deep Space Nine. I've still enjoyed the first two seasons though.
The Kazon were too stupid to live. It's my fantasy that on our return to the Delta Quadrant, we'll find that the entire species was wiped out when the Ocampa realized they could be stymied by your average knock-knock joke, and seized their entire fleet under the pretense of being interstellar repo men.
My headcanon is that the Trabe actually still secretly rule them and use them as a sort of half-trained parrot to annoy other species.
Sort of like the sivs and bullywugs in the Forgotten Realms campaign setting.
My character Tsin'xing
I'll admit, the Kazon ships look nice...though bear in mind that they were probably never designed by the Kazon, but by their Trabe overlords.
Also, regarding the Trabe: if your entire society can be overthrown by a race of fractured, infighting barbarians who still haven't figured out basic replicator technology (or for that matter, simple ice mining), then clearly you deserved to be overthrown.
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You know, if they had done something different with their hair/heads and not made them quite so Barney Fife-ish,... they wouldn't have been as bad a villain for a season or two, but Voyager stretched their story line way too long.
In my opinion, Voyager would have been a much better show, if they had had a different "villain" or at least species encounter, each season. Like each season they entered a different species space,... some good, some bad and then throw in a minor species to randomly encounter each season to build tension and drama,... just sayin'
as for the Kazon; Say something positive about: the Kazon
Um, they make goods targets?
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I... guess that wasn't entire positive. I tried my best.
oh wait, that would be a negative, wouldn't it?
perhaps i should rephrase...some of the kazon sects get to act as meat shields against the vaadwaur, protecting valuable alliance lives and ships
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Yeah, TRIBBLE that, I'm taking the option to just kill the Kazon and go it alone against the Vaadwaur. The ends do NOT justify the means, and there are few things more distasteful than allying with misogynistic scum like the Kazon.
There IS an option to kill the Kazon and go it alone, right?
you do get to kill some of them in the process of allying, though
oh, and the mission rewards a unique epic-quality doff, so you can't skip it
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"