Someone needs to define the word "obsolete" for me. Because by the look of these vessels, and with fleet T6s on the horizon, I don't even see a bright future for my Scimitar... why should I invest anything in a dead end?
Why should you even invest in a T6 when a T6.5 is just over the hill and you'll be right back in the same boat as you are now and it has a hole in the bottom.
I AM NOT A FAN OF PWE!!!!
MEMBER SINCE JANUARY 2010
One other thing, I'm not sure if anyone else has brought this up, I could have easily missed it buried in the 300+ posts so far but...
Has it occurred to anyone else that once we see the "normal" T6 ships, we'll really find out just how much difference there will be between T5-U and T6?
Right now, these Intelligence ships have lower hull and higher turn rate and some other stat differences that the "normal T6's may not have. Along with probably not having the Intelligence BOff seating. These T6 Intel ships are a new sub-species of a new breed of ships. We won't know exactly what the new ships might be capable of until we see the stats for the Guardian Cruiser, the MaHa Raptor and the Aelahl Warbird. These ships are what we should be comparing the T5-U's to, not directly to the Intel ships.
I'm still very leery about just how the T5 upgrades are going to be handled, but I am willing to wait until the information is released for everything before making up my mind. Not to say I haven't formed opinions with what has been released thus far, but I am willing to wait and see everything before I pass final judgement.
All good points, also some additional info on the planned fleet versions would be a god send. But I'm guessing its going to be a while before we even get a hint of their existence in game let alone any useful information. So its going to be a waiting game.
Awesome job you make "science" class ships with no LT commander science except for the romulan ship. So basically your tier 6's are tank pieces of garbage.
Awesome job you make "science" class ships with no LT commander science except for the romulan ship. So basically your tier 6's are tank pieces of garbage.
Hurry up and release them cause my zen is holding a gun to my head and demanding to be spent.
OH MY GODS YES! The Faeht Warbird is one hell of a sexy beast and the Scryer isn't bad either, even if it doesn't have Sensor Analysis (so hoping this was a clerical error).
General T'Reirr Asei Captain of the venerable I.K.S. Y'Kun.
Warrior of the Empire; Savior of Cookies; Lord of String; Devious Little S*!7
Why should you even invest in a T6 when a T6.5 is just over the hill and you'll be right back in the same boat as you are now and it has a hole in the bottom.
Because, like Tier 5 ships, if you've actually purchased them you'll get a substancial discount on Fleet Modules for the Fleet version?
Because, like Tier 5 ships, if you've actually purchased them you'll get a substancial discount on Fleet Modules for the Fleet version?
Business as usual, basically.
Right the reasoning has generally been that for the extra 500 zen upfront for one character you get an account wide unlock that gives each other character a 1500 zen discount on a fleet upgrade plus the ship's unique console as well. If you don't want the console or only have one character who can use a ship, like a single Romulan, then it is a bit cheaper to go straight to the fleet version.
Was looking over the stats of the new T6 ships again and noticed something. Why doesn't the Scryer have a second deflector like science ships are supposed to have. I bought the current ships not having one due to the work needed to change them to have it but the Scryer is new and could have easily been built with one. Could have even made it so when you upgrade science ships to T-5U that they get the secondary deflector.
Was looking over the stats of the new T6 ships again and noticed something. Why doesn't the Scryer have a second deflector like science ships are supposed to have. I bought the current ships not having one due to the work needed to change them to have it but the Scryer is new and could have easily been built with one. Could have even made it so when you upgrade science ships to T-5U that they get the secondary deflector.
Because it seems that most everything in the new ships is a recycling of an existing function. There isn't much new, other than super high stats, super generous boff seating, and really good turn rates.
I'm beginning to think there isn't much originality in this release. I, too, was thinking the EXACT same thing about the secondary deflector. IMO: To make T6 stand out as really worthy (and no, the entire "intel officer" thing doesn't stand up to the hype), they should have given all sci ships (CMDR sci boff) a second deflector. All eng ships (CMDR eng) a second warp core; alternatively a second engine. All tac ships (CMDR tac) a second shield.
The shield, engine, core, would only use the rating/speed/power of the highest of the two, but it would allow you to add proc and secondary effects. Like take the KHG engine for its resistance to disabling engines, but then run the borg as well to get faster warp speeds and the 2pc bonus -- just to make an example. In short, stack your procs.
THAT would have made T6 interesting for me. As it is? Aside from the mega hull, turn, LtCDR boff stats, they are so lackluster I honestly don't know what Cryptic have been working so hard on this entire time. It's all recycled. There have been SO many ideas, suggestions, brainstorms, over the past year that gave them tons of ideas. Instead they just repackage existing consoles or boff powers (turning them into consoles) and call it an expansion pack.
1. I would say that the extra Lt. Cmdr. ability and the new intelligence abilities make T6 ships better on average than T5-U fleet ships. Even though T6 ships have less hull and shields and one fewer console slot than T5-U fleet ships, their advantages more than make up for their disadvantages. There is also the question of which disadvantages will remain and to what extent once fleet versions of T6 ships become available. I presume that T6 fleet ships will have 10% more hull and and shields and one more console slot than their corresponding non-fleet versions.
2. I think many players would be happier if Cryptic scrapped the whole T5-U idea and simply gave everyone who owns a T5 C-Store or fleet ship a discount on the corresponding T6 ship. I find it hard to believe that Cryptic would not sell T6 versions of classic ships like the Galaxy, Sovereign, Defiant, Intrepid, B'rel, Vor'cha, Negh'Var, and D'deridex. I anticipate that T6 versions of existing T5 ships will be released after the launch of Delta Rising. This makes T5-U seem like an intermediary step whose obsolescence is already planned.
3. It will be expensive to own more than one T6 fleet ship per character, not just in terms of cost but also in terms of time spent leveling the ship.
4. If we dismiss and reclaim a T5-U or T6 ship, do we lose all progress made leveling that ship?
5. What T6 fleet ships will be available at each tier of the shipyard and spire?
6. I assume the stats of the Guardian Cruiser, MaHa Raptor, and Aelahl Light Warbird Battlecruiser will be released later.
I don't think the Scryer Intel Science Vessel is supposed to have three Lt. Cmdr. stations.
8. Do the "Expose Vulnerability" abilities strip captain as well as bridge officer buffs. For example, can "Expose Vulnerability: Defense" strip "Rotate Shield Frequency" off an engineer and "Expose Vulnerability: Weapon Systems" strip "Attack Pattern Alpha" off a tactical captain?
9. Someone else said in another thread that "Subnucleonic Carrier Wave" was a mini-subnuke. The "Expose Vulnerability" abilities are also mini-subnukes. Even if each of these abilities is fine in isolation, what happens when everyone is carrying one or more mini-subnukes?
10. There seems to be a trend of adding more and more abilities with shield penetration or that ignore shields completely. This bypasses a major defense mechanism in both the game and Star Trek lore. Even if each of these abilities is fine in isolation, I worry about what happens when multiple shield bypass abilities are used on a single target.
Console Universal Heavy Phaser Lance
The Phantom comes equipped with a Heavy Phaser Lance universal console. This devastating weapon is capable of delivering a deadly blast of directed energy at a target that bypasses a portion of the target's shields. Additionally, using the lance on a target that has been made Vulnerable by the Phantom's Active Sensor Arrays causes the weapon to deal significantly more damage and completely bypass the target's shields.
Console Universal Heavy Plasma Lance
The Faeht Intel Warbird comes equipped with a Heavy Plasma Lance. This devastating weapon has two firing modes. Normally, it will fire a single heavy plasma beam at its target that causes a devastating plasma fire and renders the target susceptible to Intel starship Expose Vulnerability abilities. However, if the enemy starship is already in a vulnerable state, the beam completely bypasses the target's shield and is even more devastating.
Was looking over the stats of the new T6 ships again and noticed something. Why doesn't the Scryer have a second deflector like science ships are supposed to have. I bought the current ships not having one due to the work needed to change them to have it but the Scryer is new and could have easily been built with one. Could have even made it so when you upgrade science ships to T-5U that they get the secondary deflector.
We all were meant to get secondary deflectors before season 9.5 shortly after dyson was released but it never came to pass I'm beginning to think it is another false cryptic promise
NO TO ARC
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Was looking over the stats of the new T6 ships again and noticed something. Why doesn't the Scryer have a second deflector like science ships are supposed to have. I bought the current ships not having one due to the work needed to change them to have it but the Scryer is new and could have easily been built with one. Could have even made it so when you upgrade science ships to T-5U that they get the secondary deflector.
Scryer have 2 deflectors and both are big ones..one below and one on the top.
Scryer have 2 deflectors and both are big ones..one below and one on the top.
Ya but It probably doesn't have a secondary deflector as a piece of equipment, I think that's the point being made here, we were supposed to have a whole line of dual deflector ships with many of our existing science ships retconned to use the design, but somehow the idea seems to have just fizzled out.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
Ya but It probably doesn't have a secondary deflector as a piece of equipment, I think that's the point being made here, we were supposed to have a whole line of dual deflector ships with many of our existing science ships retconned to use the design, but somehow the idea seems to have just fizzled out.
Secondary deflectors are...miles away sadly......we wont get them till 2016.
Comments
Why should you even invest in a T6 when a T6.5 is just over the hill and you'll be right back in the same boat as you are now and it has a hole in the bottom.
I AM NOT A FAN OF PWE!!!!
MEMBER SINCE JANUARY 2010
All good points, also some additional info on the planned fleet versions would be a god send. But I'm guessing its going to be a while before we even get a hint of their existence in game let alone any useful information. So its going to be a waiting game.
uhh...
Scryer Intel Science Vessel:
1 Commander Science/Intelligence
1 Lieutenant Commander Science
1 Lieutenant Commander Engineering
1 Lieutenant Tactical/Intelligence
1 Ensign Universal
That's the only vessel listed in the entire pack as a "science vessel."
EXACTLY. We got wind of a new class of starship, and I was hoping for "Battleship" to be mentioned. I WANT my Typhoon.
I AM THE SWORD OF THE RIGHTOUS!
The Jupiter and Typhoon may very well happen. Probably among any future "standard" Tier 6 ship releases.
OH MY GODS YES! The Faeht Warbird is one hell of a sexy beast and the Scryer isn't bad either, even if it doesn't have Sensor Analysis (so hoping this was a clerical error).
Captain of the venerable I.K.S. Y'Kun.
#MaybeALittleFluffy
Because, like Tier 5 ships, if you've actually purchased them you'll get a substancial discount on Fleet Modules for the Fleet version?
Business as usual, basically.
Right the reasoning has generally been that for the extra 500 zen upfront for one character you get an account wide unlock that gives each other character a 1500 zen discount on a fleet upgrade plus the ship's unique console as well. If you don't want the console or only have one character who can use a ship, like a single Romulan, then it is a bit cheaper to go straight to the fleet version.
Shhhhhhhhh...... my child, our devotion will be rewarded soon....
I'm sorry to people who I, in the past, insulted, annoyed, etc.
Because it seems that most everything in the new ships is a recycling of an existing function. There isn't much new, other than super high stats, super generous boff seating, and really good turn rates.
I'm beginning to think there isn't much originality in this release. I, too, was thinking the EXACT same thing about the secondary deflector. IMO: To make T6 stand out as really worthy (and no, the entire "intel officer" thing doesn't stand up to the hype), they should have given all sci ships (CMDR sci boff) a second deflector. All eng ships (CMDR eng) a second warp core; alternatively a second engine. All tac ships (CMDR tac) a second shield.
The shield, engine, core, would only use the rating/speed/power of the highest of the two, but it would allow you to add proc and secondary effects. Like take the KHG engine for its resistance to disabling engines, but then run the borg as well to get faster warp speeds and the 2pc bonus -- just to make an example. In short, stack your procs.
THAT would have made T6 interesting for me. As it is? Aside from the mega hull, turn, LtCDR boff stats, they are so lackluster I honestly don't know what Cryptic have been working so hard on this entire time. It's all recycled. There have been SO many ideas, suggestions, brainstorms, over the past year that gave them tons of ideas. Instead they just repackage existing consoles or boff powers (turning them into consoles) and call it an expansion pack.
"I are the disappoint."
Take back your home,end the grind!
Volunteer moderators policing the forums is like a mall cop trying to solve a murder.
2. I think many players would be happier if Cryptic scrapped the whole T5-U idea and simply gave everyone who owns a T5 C-Store or fleet ship a discount on the corresponding T6 ship. I find it hard to believe that Cryptic would not sell T6 versions of classic ships like the Galaxy, Sovereign, Defiant, Intrepid, B'rel, Vor'cha, Negh'Var, and D'deridex. I anticipate that T6 versions of existing T5 ships will be released after the launch of Delta Rising. This makes T5-U seem like an intermediary step whose obsolescence is already planned.
3. It will be expensive to own more than one T6 fleet ship per character, not just in terms of cost but also in terms of time spent leveling the ship.
4. If we dismiss and reclaim a T5-U or T6 ship, do we lose all progress made leveling that ship?
5. What T6 fleet ships will be available at each tier of the shipyard and spire?
6. I assume the stats of the Guardian Cruiser, MaHa Raptor, and Aelahl Light Warbird Battlecruiser will be released later.
7. The yellow part seems like a typo:
I don't think the Scryer Intel Science Vessel is supposed to have three Lt. Cmdr. stations.
8. Do the "Expose Vulnerability" abilities strip captain as well as bridge officer buffs. For example, can "Expose Vulnerability: Defense" strip "Rotate Shield Frequency" off an engineer and "Expose Vulnerability: Weapon Systems" strip "Attack Pattern Alpha" off a tactical captain?
9. Someone else said in another thread that "Subnucleonic Carrier Wave" was a mini-subnuke. The "Expose Vulnerability" abilities are also mini-subnukes. Even if each of these abilities is fine in isolation, what happens when everyone is carrying one or more mini-subnukes?
10. There seems to be a trend of adding more and more abilities with shield penetration or that ignore shields completely. This bypasses a major defense mechanism in both the game and Star Trek lore. Even if each of these abilities is fine in isolation, I worry about what happens when multiple shield bypass abilities are used on a single target.
We all were meant to get secondary deflectors before season 9.5 shortly after dyson was released but it never came to pass I'm beginning to think it is another false cryptic promise
Vice Admiral Volmack ISS Thundermole
Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
Centurion Kares RRW Tomalak
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Scryer have 2 deflectors and both are big ones..one below and one on the top.
Secondary deflectors are...miles away sadly......we wont get them till 2016.