Could you link me to that post from a Dev? I do not remember ever seeing a Dev state that anything in DR was about solving Power Creep - especially since they have clearly said all the DR Content is doable with existing ships.
Ahaha, for the Scryer, you posted Lt. Comm. Engineering slot twice in a row :P
Still, for those who don't know, all T5 + T5-U ships + Fleet ships and such have 12 Boff abilities. However, T6 ships explicitly have a max 13 Boff abilities, and no more
So yes, the seat may say Lt. Comm or whatever, but it only allows one extra ability of any rank up to that point, not the full swath. And aside from PVP, that's hardly a one-way ticket to obslete imo
Like this will be the only gimmick with new ships. They hint at it on the first page of that. They use "As of now, Intelligence is the only Bridge Officer Specialization available" so there will be more specialized BO's and ships to shove them in coming. Here is your flavor of the month "content" for the Z-Store, probably paired up well with new lock box ships with the same gimmicks attached.
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well, I see we were lied to... I hope you go bankrupt, cryptic, because you need to with your dishonesty T5-U ships will be good for nothing more than PvE
.....and...... KDF had EBC first.. why wouldn't the new ships have it? duh
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well, I see we were lied to... I hope you go bankrupt, cryptic, because you need to with your dishonesty T5-U ships will be good for nothing more than PvE
Considering they have 13 abilities instead of the usual 12, in exchange for being slightly squisher, same amount of console slots as Fleet and T5-U, and a mechanic that takes awhile to charge up for use anyway, and new abilities that can be cleared by conventional Boff abilities...
I don't think anything with be 'truly' obselete, personally - they just play differently.
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Considering they have 13 abilities instead of the usual 12, in exchange for being slightly squisher, same amount of console slots as Fleet and T5-U, and a mechanic that takes awhile to charge up for use anyway, and new abilities that can be cleared by conventional Boff abilities...
I don't think so, personally heh - they just play differently
... i think he more refers to fleet t6 ...
on a sidenote: what about a yellow comment on fleet t6 plz?
What for? They're OP, thus they don't need testing.
Seriously, at this point T5U needs either a 13th boff ability added, or should just be free. These T6 stats are ridiculous and Cryptic should feel ashamed saying that "T5U are gonna remain competitive", when clearly that's not gonna be the case, especially in PvP.
This.
The Phantom in particular makes the Defiant obsolete, especially with a Fleet Phantom on the horizon.
Point-for-point, the Phantom outperforms the Defiant... and I would bet money that when the Phantom gets its Fleet version, it'll get its proper 10% Shield Modifier boost (unlike the FTER).
There's really no way anyone could call the FTER competitive at level 60, with the stats being what they are. Just like you don't see many Fleet ships like the Nova, Saber, or Olympic except as a gimmick because of how underpowered they are, you're only ever going to see a FTER because old fogeys like me don't want to part with their favorite ship from the show.
2030 - "We are proud to announce the new T10 ships that allow full play emersion compatible with your VR device now you can walk the hallways of your ship or sit in the captains chair and command it from there"
I'm glad the intelligence ships will be slightly more squishy than a T5-U.
However, all this rage can be solved if T5-U can be modified to a full T6 upgrade. That way, those that prefer to buy the super shiny T6 fleet ships can get their edge while those that prefer their iconic T5 ships can upgrade to a T6 and actually be competitive at end game.
This would truly solve all problems and will preserve the current system we have now.
That would be a legit solution. The one that's also easiest to swallow.
The second LtCdr BOFF slot is consistent with the tier progression up through the levels so it's not a real surprise. Looking at it, the easy solution is to allow T5-U ships to get an upgraded BOFF slot to their secondary focus. The Assault Cruiser just gets the LtCdr Tac slot, the Star Cruiser gets the LtCdr sci slot.
These ships are special even amongst Tier 6s as they are the new Intelligence ships, similar to the Dyson Science Destroyers.
The retrofit is common in Star Trek, it would be the equivalent of the difference between the Galaxy between All Good Things and Generations.
In some ways the upgrade process should be the focus. I love the ship leveling and represents how I've always looked at my ship. It's vessel, it's home, it's the lady.
"A new ship but she's got the right name...now you listen to me, you treat her like a lady, and she'll always bring you home." ~ Admiral Leonard H. McCoy M.D.
We care for her and she keeps us alive, she protects us and we maintain and improve her. We've always seen the crews in Star Trek making improvements and customizing our ships throughout the ship's life. I would appreciate the opportunity to continue that tradition.
That's why I'll definitely be upgrading my Tier 5 (-U).
I'll probably get the tier 6 anyway at some point, because as a stealth ship, I think the Eclipse is beautiful (She's grown on me) and the Faeht is top notch Romulan design and I can't say anything against the Qib as it looks like a 25th century Klingon killing machine.
But I'll keep coming back to that Noble of mine.
Klingon side I sincerely hope that we'll get an Intel Bird of Prey...because as Bird of Prey's were originally classified as scouts, it only makes sense that it would be an Intel vessel.
"Rise like Lions after slumber, In unvanquishable number, Shake your chains to earth like dew, Which in sleep had fallen on you-Ye are many they are few"
Am I the only one that wishes they would just write these things out instead of doing podcasts? I don't want to listen to or skip around through a 2-hour clip of someone talking just to get at the information I want.
The Phantom in particular makes the Defiant obsolete, especially with a Fleet Phantom on the horizon.
Point-for-point, the Phantom outperforms the Defiant... and I would bet money that when the Phantom gets its Fleet version, it'll get its proper 10% Shield Modifier boost (unlike the FTER).
There's really no way anyone could call the FTER competitive at level 60, with the stats being what they are. Just like you don't see many Fleet ships like the Nova, Saber, or Olympic except as a gimmick because of how underpowered they are, you're only ever going to see a FTER because old fogeys like me don't want to part with their favorite ship from the show.
Oh well...
now imagine the b'rel which is still suffering from the introduction of EBC year ago where it had taken away 1 boff slot, hull and shields and weapon slot taken away.. and now these new roms are given everything that the b'rel taken away by design. The regular scaling buffs + extra console still make it obsolete...worse than the defiant.
Throw away all your cannon ships people, unless you play PvE only! But then again, that's what cryptic was hoping for, wasn't it.. I liked cryptic in the first couple of years, but they suck now.
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Please show me where I was talking about durability.
My issue is that they made a copy paste job from one ship to another and then simply changed hull and turnrate.
Everything else is identical.
That is extra cheap and should not be done.
I don't see that as an issue; in my experience with games, it happens sooner or later anyway, and shouldn't be given a second thought
And with the way T5-and-above-now are set up, you were bound to get comparisons and identical stat setups anyway with all the ships out there, and more to come
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
I don't see that as an issue; in my experience with games, it happens sooner or later anyway, and shouldn't be given a second thought
And with the way T5-and-above-now are set up, you were bound to get comparisons and identical stat setups anyway with all the ships out there, and more to come
Good to know.
When can I get my Science ship hull with Escort stats?
Gather Intelligence+Expose, the extra (high level) boff ability slot, the flexibility of being able to slot four types of boff abilities (while everyone else gets stuck with Sci/Eg/Tac), cloak and dual cannons, consoles that sound really powerful, and starship traits, for a little less hull as tradeoff? And with the promise of fleet versions on the horizon?
Cryptic just blew their promises of T5u being competitive out of the water. I wish this was a joke, because everything released so far seems to point to Cryptic wanting to make T5u/T5uFleet being a joke compared to their T6 equivalents.
I said it was bound to happen; not that it should be rampant
We already have battlecruisers in cruiser skins if this goes threw (which you clearly know considering that you read and understood what I have been saying). So what I am asking for is not even another stop. It is merely putting the foot down properly.
are, you're only ever going to see a FTER because old fogeys like me don't want to part with their favorite ship from the show.
Wait. What? There's a Show that this game is based on? Really? I never would have guessed based on these new generic looking space ships that are being shown to us today! :P
Seriously though. I'm really getting sooo disappointed in Cryptic lately with these blog posts. Contradicting each other at every turn. T5-U will be competitive with the new T6 ships? Yea right! Pull the other one Mr. Geko! You really must think that your playerbase is made up of a bunch of idiots that don't listen and read what you say. Or, maybe you were just telling us what you thought you wanted us to hear at STLV because you didn't really have the answers?
If that's the case Geko, in future, when asked a question like "What about our T5 ships?", just say that you "can't reveal that information yet" until you get back to Cryptic HQ and consult your team and come up with some sort of a plan that will be acceptable to us players. Or maybe, and this is a real long shot here... ASK US WHAT WE WOULD WANT FOR OUR T5 SHIPS TO MAKE THEM COMPETITIVE WITH THESE UGLY, NON-CANON LOOKING T6 SHIPS! Would that be so hard?
Don't lie to us and disappoint us all! Simple as that!
You're losing your playerbase slowly one by one Cryptic. Most of us are hardcore Trekkies who love the Trek franchise and play STO because it's "Trek"... Not just because it's yet another space themed MMO. Please try and take that into consideration both now and in future, because it's in you best interest. I for one was really wanting to buy a lifetime membership in the new year when I had the cash together. Guess what Cryptic.... I aint bothering to consider it any further now until I see this game getting back to the "Fairness and Equality" that the Trek universe's "Federation" represents!!!
You've a lot of work to do to win most of us over again. Get back to the drawing board and most importantly, in future... Don't BS us! We aint stupid!
Wait. What? There's a Show that this game is based on? Really? I never would have guessed based on these new generic looking space ships that are being shown to us today! :P
Seriously though. I'm really getting sooo disappointed in Cryptic lately with these blog posts. Contradicting each other at every turn. T5-U will be competitive with the new T6 ships? Yea right! Pull the other one Mr. Geko! You really must think that your playerbase is made up of a bunch of idiots that don't listen and read what you say. Or, maybe you were just telling us what you thought you wanted us to hear at STLV because you didn't really have the answers?
If that's the case Geko, in future, when asked a question like "What about our T5 ships?", just say that you "can't reveal that information yet" until you get back to Cryptic HQ and consult your team and come up with some sort of a plan that will be acceptable to us players. Or maybe, and this is a real long shot here... ASK US WHAT WE WOULD WANT FOR OUR T5 SHIPS TO MAKE THEM COMPETITIVE WITH THESE UGLY, NON-CANON LOOKING T6 SHIPS! Would that be so hard?
Don't lie to us and disappoint us all! Simple as that!
You're losing your playerbase slowly one by one Cryptic. Most of us are hardcore Trekkies who love the Trek franchise and play STO because it's "Trek"... Not just because it's yet another space themed MMO. Please try and take that into consideration both now and in future, because it's in you best interest. I for one was really wanting to buy a lifetime membership in the new year when I had the cash together. Guess what Cryptic.... I aint bothering to consider it any further now until I see this game getting back to the "Fairness and Equality" that the Trek universe's "Federation" represents!!!
You've a lot of work to do to win most of us over again. Get back to the drawing board and most importantly, in future... Don't BS us! We aint stupid!
/END RANT
I really doubt it's that they're lying to us, and that's me being here since Open Beta
By all accounts, they mean it, and are trying to make it so... but due to a combination of jumping the gun, assumptions, reading into things differently than they are (or just differently than it was meant to be taken), and a lot of other things...
well, sometimes the forums walk themselves right into that kind of mess, without even realizing it
Much like they're currently doing with 'no longer competitive' - perhaps the stats are out, but they have yet to be fully explored in action
Much like they're currently doing with 'no longer competitive' - perhaps the stats are out, but they have yet to be fully explored in actionl
I don't think there's anything left to explore "in action" to tell me about the Phantom. I already know how the Phantom flies, because I fly a Defiant. The Phantom will be the same thing, but with an extra Boff, more Hull HP, and I won't have to debate whether or not to slot my Cloak in a console slot. The only real mystery is how powerful the Heavy Phaser Lance is... but even if that ends up being garbage, the ship's stats are just flat-out better.
What really gets me is this line:
Less hull strength (HP) than non-intel ships of the same category
The Phantom actually has more hull than the Defiant-R, while having the same or better stats. Odds are the Fleet Phantom will outpace the Fleet Defiant similarly.
Why doesn't the Phantom have, say, 29,000 Hull at level 50? Then it would actually fit their own descriptions.
Just wondering can these T6 / Intelligence ships use the standard ship skins (vet and other material types) ?
or are they going to be like the dyson ships where they are locked to the one type ?
Agreed -- that's a great question and one I need to know as well...
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Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
I've been pleasingly surprised by this unexpectedly meaty monday blog.
The information on the first page was nice... but they added a next page button! Squee!
I have to say I'm quite fond of the intel ships; though my favorite so far is the Eclipse cruiser... with the Phantom and Faeht close behind. The Scryer is what I'd call the ugly duckling on the bunch, but I like all of them. If anything I'd like to see them from more varied angle (rear/flanks, notably).
I don't think there's anything left to explore "in action" to tell me about the Phantom. I already know how the Phantom flies, because I fly a Defiant. The Phantom will be the same thing, but with an extra Boff, more Hull HP, and I won't have to debate whether or not to slot my Cloak in a console slot. The only real mystery is how powerful the Heavy Phaser Lance is... but even if that ends up being garbage, the ship's stats are just flat-out better.
What really gets me is this line:
The Phantom actually has more hull than the Defiant-R, while having the same or better stats. Odds are the Fleet Phantom will outpace the Fleet Defiant similarly.
Why doesn't the Phantom have, say, 29,000 Hull? Then it would actually fit their own descriptions.
And yet I suspect at the end of the day (month in this case, after T6 actually debuts and things settle down), for some, it won't really matter
Not everyone wants the best-of-the-best, min-maxed stuff, or even DPS-only-builds
And all T5Us got was some extra tiny winy little hull. Competitive? Yeah, right.
They also get an extra console slot, and all-but-one of the Starship Mastery additions - plus any Traits you get from T6 ships can be used on T5-U after you get them
It's not that big a diff imo - the rest is just difference of playstyle really
Was named Trek17.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
And yet I suspect at the end of the day (month in this case, after T6 actually debuts and things settle down), for some, it won't really matter
Not everyone wants the best-of-the-best, min-maxed stuff, or even DPS-only-builds
You say that, but how often do you see Galaxies or Intrepids in STFs now?
I mostly see Scimitars, Avengers, Defiants, and lockbox ships. "Not everyone" means a small handful of people, which isn't very encouraging.
So these stats do matter. People have complained about the stats of the Galaxy for how many years now? A lot of people care, but a lot of people also don't want to hamstring their teams by bringing underpowered ships into STFs.
I don't want to join an STF at level 60, only for my teammates to roll their eyes at my Defiant because they're going to have to carry me, just because I'm too clingy to fly a decent ship. A lot of people probably think the same way. It's just rude to do group content and not bring your A-game.
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Advance is very fun. it was the fiert time I had to fight my escort like an escort......I cant wait to see elite.
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Well, I don´t think I have to say how bad cryptic is in doing a proper job, do I?
Maybe try not to do some cheap copy pasta next time?
Or make the BC a proper BC and the Cruiser a proper Cruiser before you release them?
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Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
.....and...... KDF had EBC first.. why wouldn't the new ships have it? duh
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Though I don't know if he was referring to T6 Intel or T6 in general.
I don't think anything with be 'truly' obselete, personally - they just play differently.
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
... i think he more refers to fleet t6
on a sidenote: what about a yellow comment on fleet t6 plz?
This.
The Phantom in particular makes the Defiant obsolete, especially with a Fleet Phantom on the horizon.
Point-for-point, the Phantom outperforms the Defiant... and I would bet money that when the Phantom gets its Fleet version, it'll get its proper 10% Shield Modifier boost (unlike the FTER).
There's really no way anyone could call the FTER competitive at level 60, with the stats being what they are. Just like you don't see many Fleet ships like the Nova, Saber, or Olympic except as a gimmick because of how underpowered they are, you're only ever going to see a FTER because old fogeys like me don't want to part with their favorite ship from the show.
Oh well...
http://priorityonepodcast.com/po189/
Quite informative.
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That would be a legit solution. The one that's also easiest to swallow.
The second LtCdr BOFF slot is consistent with the tier progression up through the levels so it's not a real surprise. Looking at it, the easy solution is to allow T5-U ships to get an upgraded BOFF slot to their secondary focus. The Assault Cruiser just gets the LtCdr Tac slot, the Star Cruiser gets the LtCdr sci slot.
These ships are special even amongst Tier 6s as they are the new Intelligence ships, similar to the Dyson Science Destroyers.
The retrofit is common in Star Trek, it would be the equivalent of the difference between the Galaxy between All Good Things and Generations.
In some ways the upgrade process should be the focus. I love the ship leveling and represents how I've always looked at my ship. It's vessel, it's home, it's the lady.
"A new ship but she's got the right name...now you listen to me, you treat her like a lady, and she'll always bring you home." ~ Admiral Leonard H. McCoy M.D.
We care for her and she keeps us alive, she protects us and we maintain and improve her. We've always seen the crews in Star Trek making improvements and customizing our ships throughout the ship's life. I would appreciate the opportunity to continue that tradition.
That's why I'll definitely be upgrading my Tier 5 (-U).
I'll probably get the tier 6 anyway at some point, because as a stealth ship, I think the Eclipse is beautiful (She's grown on me) and the Faeht is top notch Romulan design and I can't say anything against the Qib as it looks like a 25th century Klingon killing machine.
But I'll keep coming back to that Noble of mine.
Klingon side I sincerely hope that we'll get an Intel Bird of Prey...because as Bird of Prey's were originally classified as scouts, it only makes sense that it would be an Intel vessel.
Am I the only one that wishes they would just write these things out instead of doing podcasts? I don't want to listen to or skip around through a 2-hour clip of someone talking just to get at the information I want.
Please show me where I was talking about durability.
My issue is that they made a copy paste job from one ship to another and then simply changed hull and turnrate.
Everything else is identical.
That is extra cheap and should not be done.
now imagine the b'rel which is still suffering from the introduction of EBC year ago where it had taken away 1 boff slot, hull and shields and weapon slot taken away.. and now these new roms are given everything that the b'rel taken away by design. The regular scaling buffs + extra console still make it obsolete...worse than the defiant.
Throw away all your cannon ships people, unless you play PvE only! But then again, that's what cryptic was hoping for, wasn't it.. I liked cryptic in the first couple of years, but they suck now.
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And with the way T5-and-above-now are set up, you were bound to get comparisons and identical stat setups anyway with all the ships out there, and more to come
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Good to know.
When can I get my Science ship hull with Escort stats?
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Gather Intelligence+Expose, the extra (high level) boff ability slot, the flexibility of being able to slot four types of boff abilities (while everyone else gets stuck with Sci/Eg/Tac), cloak and dual cannons, consoles that sound really powerful, and starship traits, for a little less hull as tradeoff? And with the promise of fleet versions on the horizon?
Cryptic just blew their promises of T5u being competitive out of the water. I wish this was a joke, because everything released so far seems to point to Cryptic wanting to make T5u/T5uFleet being a joke compared to their T6 equivalents.
We already have battlecruisers in cruiser skins if this goes threw (which you clearly know considering that you read and understood what I have been saying). So what I am asking for is not even another stop. It is merely putting the foot down properly.
Wait. What? There's a Show that this game is based on? Really? I never would have guessed based on these new generic looking space ships that are being shown to us today! :P
Seriously though. I'm really getting sooo disappointed in Cryptic lately with these blog posts. Contradicting each other at every turn. T5-U will be competitive with the new T6 ships? Yea right! Pull the other one Mr. Geko! You really must think that your playerbase is made up of a bunch of idiots that don't listen and read what you say. Or, maybe you were just telling us what you thought you wanted us to hear at STLV because you didn't really have the answers?
If that's the case Geko, in future, when asked a question like "What about our T5 ships?", just say that you "can't reveal that information yet" until you get back to Cryptic HQ and consult your team and come up with some sort of a plan that will be acceptable to us players. Or maybe, and this is a real long shot here... ASK US WHAT WE WOULD WANT FOR OUR T5 SHIPS TO MAKE THEM COMPETITIVE WITH THESE UGLY, NON-CANON LOOKING T6 SHIPS! Would that be so hard?
Don't lie to us and disappoint us all! Simple as that!
You're losing your playerbase slowly one by one Cryptic. Most of us are hardcore Trekkies who love the Trek franchise and play STO because it's "Trek"... Not just because it's yet another space themed MMO. Please try and take that into consideration both now and in future, because it's in you best interest. I for one was really wanting to buy a lifetime membership in the new year when I had the cash together. Guess what Cryptic.... I aint bothering to consider it any further now until I see this game getting back to the "Fairness and Equality" that the Trek universe's "Federation" represents!!!
You've a lot of work to do to win most of us over again. Get back to the drawing board and most importantly, in future... Don't BS us! We aint stupid!
/END RANT
By all accounts, they mean it, and are trying to make it so... but due to a combination of jumping the gun, assumptions, reading into things differently than they are (or just differently than it was meant to be taken), and a lot of other things...
well, sometimes the forums walk themselves right into that kind of mess, without even realizing it
Much like they're currently doing with 'no longer competitive' - perhaps the stats are out, but they have yet to be fully explored in action And yet, it's still not a fact that everyone hates them - already a few are warming up to them lol
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
or are they going to be like the dyson ships where they are locked to the one type ?
Thanks.
*listening now*
I don't think there's anything left to explore "in action" to tell me about the Phantom. I already know how the Phantom flies, because I fly a Defiant. The Phantom will be the same thing, but with an extra Boff, more Hull HP, and I won't have to debate whether or not to slot my Cloak in a console slot. The only real mystery is how powerful the Heavy Phaser Lance is... but even if that ends up being garbage, the ship's stats are just flat-out better.
What really gets me is this line:
The Phantom actually has more hull than the Defiant-R, while having the same or better stats. Odds are the Fleet Phantom will outpace the Fleet Defiant similarly.
Why doesn't the Phantom have, say, 29,000 Hull at level 50? Then it would actually fit their own descriptions.
Agreed -- that's a great question and one I need to know as well...
Please enable us to buy a token with Zen to faction change a 25th Century FED to a TOS FED.
And all T5Us got was some extra tiny winy little hull. Competitive? Yeah, right.
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The information on the first page was nice... but they added a next page button! Squee!
I have to say I'm quite fond of the intel ships; though my favorite so far is the Eclipse cruiser... with the Phantom and Faeht close behind. The Scryer is what I'd call the ugly duckling on the bunch, but I like all of them. If anything I'd like to see them from more varied angle (rear/flanks, notably).
Not everyone wants the best-of-the-best, min-maxed stuff, or even DPS-only-builds They also get an extra console slot, and all-but-one of the Starship Mastery additions - plus any Traits you get from T6 ships can be used on T5-U after you get them
It's not that big a diff imo - the rest is just difference of playstyle really
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
You say that, but how often do you see Galaxies or Intrepids in STFs now?
I mostly see Scimitars, Avengers, Defiants, and lockbox ships. "Not everyone" means a small handful of people, which isn't very encouraging.
So these stats do matter. People have complained about the stats of the Galaxy for how many years now? A lot of people care, but a lot of people also don't want to hamstring their teams by bringing underpowered ships into STFs.
I don't want to join an STF at level 60, only for my teammates to roll their eyes at my Defiant because they're going to have to carry me, just because I'm too clingy to fly a decent ship. A lot of people probably think the same way. It's just rude to do group content and not bring your A-game.