If you don't have a car and you're walking Oh yes son, I'm talking to you If you live at home with your momma Oh yes son, I'm talking to you If you have a shorty that you don't show love Oh yes son, I'm talking to you Wanna get me with no money Oh no, I don't want no No scrub, no scrub
You're on the STO forums. You're supposed to have an opinion that is contrary to everyone else's, and your opinion is the only right one. You should know better than that. :P
I'm sorry that is just wrong.... we're all supposed to have the same opinion.... and that is the only real position to take.
I know beams do more dps, I know all about overcapping, superior arc, better boff assigments...I know the mechanics of what makes beams superior to cannons.
Yet I stick with cannons, similar to how some players stick to a torpedo...even though they know it's bad for dps...
All in all...I enjoy cannons more but I can't get over the loss of dps....
Time to take some of my own medicine and stop using an inferior weapon type.
Anyone else come to terms with using beams over cannons
Frankly, you do well enough with cannons in an STF. Anyway, a lot of that DPS the beam boats dish out isn't doing anything except artificially inflating their DPS.
The only people what will ever say anything negative about it are the ones from the DPS channels.
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... Wut?
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I use DHC's on my Tac ships. I couldn't care less whether anyone else likes it or not to be honest. I pay the bill, I play the way I want to play. If someone gets butthurt over that, they have larger issues than whether I'm using beams or cannons and should seek professional help.
I know beams do more dps, I know all about overcapping, superior arc, better boff assigments...I know the mechanics of what makes beams superior to cannons.
Yet I stick with cannons, similar to how some players stick to a torpedo...even though they know it's bad for dps...
All in all...I enjoy cannons more but I can't get over the loss of dps....
Time to take some of my own medicine and stop using an inferior weapon type.
Anyone else come to terms with using beams over cannons
Beams are good because you have 8 of them firing at the same time without the drain that should have.
Drain should be even moar severe than it is right now using derp at will.
Maybe it's time for Cannons to be buffed to do the damage they should at range with a wider firing arc using CSV.
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I personally hate the "you're doing it wrong" mindset that many on here have. If YOU like the build, if it works for YOU, then you are NOT doing it wrong.
I'm something of a canonical purist, so I play my escort with a mix of phaser beams and cannons, with proton or quantum torpedoes. I do have a cutting beam as well, but as my character is liberated Borg, I use that as justification (to myself) as to why it's equipped.
I don't play to have the highest numbers. I play to have fun.
I use DHC's on my Tac ships. I couldn't care less whether anyone else likes it or not to be honest. I pay the bill, I play the way I want to play. If someone gets butthurt over that, they have larger issues than whether I'm using beams or cannons and should seek professional help.
Indeed, as far as I'm concerned, as long as you're not going out of your way just to fail an optional or the mission as a whole.... an you're participating..... I'm fine with you.
Back when the Mirror Invasion happened, I converted my main Fed character from his traditional CannonScorts into a Beamboat Excelsior. Because it was the only way to get anywhere in that event, since the narrow arc of cannons just took too long to clear an area. Finding the strategy as disgustingly successful as I'd heard, I kept it as a change of pace.
Then I got bored. Oh, so bored. Fly into area, pop EPtX and RMC to recover power, kick off buff cycle, smash space bar to win. I would literally fight in PvE queues while eating or watching TV. I just had to keep an eye on my health to pop off ET or RSP as needed. While certainly efficient, this was ultimately not a lot of fun.
So my Fed main went back into his GW Prometheus. My KDF had been converted to a Beamboat Mogh and I left him there because it's more fragile than the Excel and keeps me on my toes a bit more. My Romulan got a full respec and went into a Torp'Varo. Now all three characters, despite all being Tacs, have distinct playstyles, and this makes me happy.
You're on the STO forums. You're supposed to have an opinion that is contrary to everyone else's, and your opinion is the only right one. You should know better than that. :P
I'm sorry that is just wrong.... we're all supposed to have the same opinion.... and that is the only real position to take.
See, if you were taking the position that we're all supposed to have the same opinion, you'd take iconians' opinion that we're supposed to have an opinion contrary to everyone else's, which would mean that you'd have to take the opposite opinion in that we all share the same opinion, which would mean that... Argh! You've created a loop! Nooooo!
Anyway, just listen to this and enjoy your Rapid Fire
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edited September 2014
I would only call someon a scrub if they choose to rainbow on purpose at lv 50. If you've got the resources to pick a damage type, then by all means do so.
The only real acceptable rainbow boating that can be done now is mixing different Phaser, Disruptor, or Antiproton weapons, for example mixing standard, bio-molecular, and Andorian phasers. Different colored beams, but still the same damage type.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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I would only call someon a scrub if they choose to rainbow on purpose at lv 50. If you've got the resources to pick a damage type, then by all means do so.
The only real acceptable rainbow boating that can be done now is mixing different Phaser, Disruptor, or Antiproton weapons, for example mixing standard, bio-molecular, and Andorian phasers. Different colored beams, but still the same damage type.
Or romplas and regular plas.
"Great War! / And I cannot take more! / Great tour! / I keep on marching on / I play the great score / There will be no encore / Great War! / The War to End All Wars"
— Sabaton, "Great War"
As a tac officer I was quite happy with a s et of DHC + DBB... now I have changed to BAs abd DBB for DPS.
The cannons are GREAT for shredding an enemy's shields and their hull, but the larger our tanks (i.e. Scims) the easier it is for the enemy to get on our blind side and start pinging us.
With a good BA + DBB build (torps optional) I feel I can keep those nasties taking damamge regardless of which way I am facing, killing them faster and taking overall less damamge - so for me that's the thing.
Beams give more dps, but half the time it's on targets that can be killed yet, beacuse of FAW spamming.
Example: Cure space, the upper probes and cube while the lower cube isn't yet destroyed.
This is so true. I went in with some friends to do a test. We started the combat log before attacking the first ships, and stopped when we destroyed the cube we were each sitting at. (I was on the left by myself, he was on the right). We sat where most people always sit so they hit everything. We each did about 6 times what the total needed to take down everything was.
So, instead of focusing on DPS, just play like you want to.
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I know beams do more dps, I know all about overcapping, superior arc, better boff assigments...I know the mechanics of what makes beams superior to cannons.
Yet I stick with cannons, similar to how some players stick to a torpedo...even though they know it's bad for dps...
All in all...I enjoy cannons more but I can't get over the loss of dps....
Time to take some of my own medicine and stop using an inferior weapon type.
Anyone else come to terms with using beams over cannons
Do what ever you want...if you actually play the game to enjoy and not just to get big numbers and show off your e-peen then great! Personally I don't see why people care about dps when endgame is so trivial and easy to beat even elite with the power curve.
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Cannons are good, if you can =use them to their best ... Many players unfortunately are just BFAW and Spacebar Broadside Spammers, with little or no skills ...
Some few are exceptional player who use Beams, and some are exceptional players who use cannons ...
Pick which one you like and go with it ...
I personally like using a Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer with cannons, as it has a good BoFF layout for cannons. GW + CSV for the small bunches of peons, and let WCB's do the work for you, then hit CRF for any stragglers ...
You mean single cannons? Yeah, they don't seem to do enough for the loss of arc vs beams. Dual cannons are good. My main beef with cannons is that their boff powers are LT+ while beam powers start at Ensign. Never understood why Cryptic did that.
I've never tried the A2Batt build, mainly cause I'm a contrary person. I see 'everyone' doing something, I won't do it. I look forward to reading the rage when it eventually gets hit with the nerf sledgehammer.
PvE is easy on STO, use what you want. If I'm playing with you, as long as you aren't exploding every 5 seconds I'm happy w/ teammates. Like that CEE from a couple days ago... it went on for TWENTY minutes before I left. It was like I was in the old style CE event!
Is this correct, beams are better for overall DPS than cannons? I have one torpedo forward, but none aft. Was told one torpedo would help the DPS, but more than that would be a waste. That's news to me. I always found my DPS to be better on a single target when using cannons. Is this because of the new beam overload that suddenly beams are better than cannons?
Still flying my fleet Defiant with Phaser cannons, finishing the CE event 2nd or 3rd.
2nd or 3rd in CE/CEE? Is that possible?
I thought finishing 1 st was standard. I have gone in with an Oberth and finished first.
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I'm sorry that is just wrong.... we're all supposed to have the same opinion.... and that is the only real position to take.
Frankly, you do well enough with cannons in an STF. Anyway, a lot of that DPS the beam boats dish out isn't doing anything except artificially inflating their DPS.
The only people what will ever say anything negative about it are the ones from the DPS channels.
... Wut?
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Beams are good because you have 8 of them firing at the same time without the drain that should have.
Drain should be even moar severe than it is right now using derp at will.
Maybe it's time for Cannons to be buffed to do the damage they should at range with a wider firing arc using CSV.
RIP KDF and PvP 2014-07-17 Season 9.5 - Death by Dev
I personally hate the "you're doing it wrong" mindset that many on here have. If YOU like the build, if it works for YOU, then you are NOT doing it wrong.
I don't play to have the highest numbers. I play to have fun.
Indeed, as far as I'm concerned, as long as you're not going out of your way just to fail an optional or the mission as a whole.... an you're participating..... I'm fine with you.
Then I got bored. Oh, so bored. Fly into area, pop EPtX and RMC to recover power, kick off buff cycle, smash space bar to win. I would literally fight in PvE queues while eating or watching TV. I just had to keep an eye on my health to pop off ET or RSP as needed. While certainly efficient, this was ultimately not a lot of fun.
So my Fed main went back into his GW Prometheus. My KDF had been converted to a Beamboat Mogh and I left him there because it's more fragile than the Excel and keeps me on my toes a bit more. My Romulan got a full respec and went into a Torp'Varo. Now all three characters, despite all being Tacs, have distinct playstyles, and this makes me happy.
See, if you were taking the position that we're all supposed to have the same opinion, you'd take iconians' opinion that we're supposed to have an opinion contrary to everyone else's, which would mean that you'd have to take the opposite opinion in that we all share the same opinion, which would mean that... Argh! You've created a loop! Nooooo!
Anyway, just listen to this and enjoy your Rapid Fire
The only real acceptable rainbow boating that can be done now is mixing different Phaser, Disruptor, or Antiproton weapons, for example mixing standard, bio-molecular, and Andorian phasers. Different colored beams, but still the same damage type.
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Or romplas and regular plas.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
Check out https://unitedfederationofpla.net/s/
The cannons are GREAT for shredding an enemy's shields and their hull, but the larger our tanks (i.e. Scims) the easier it is for the enemy to get on our blind side and start pinging us.
With a good BA + DBB build (torps optional) I feel I can keep those nasties taking damamge regardless of which way I am facing, killing them faster and taking overall less damamge - so for me that's the thing.
This is so true. I went in with some friends to do a test. We started the combat log before attacking the first ships, and stopped when we destroyed the cube we were each sitting at. (I was on the left by myself, he was on the right). We sat where most people always sit so they hit everything. We each did about 6 times what the total needed to take down everything was.
So, instead of focusing on DPS, just play like you want to.
Do what ever you want...if you actually play the game to enjoy and not just to get big numbers and show off your e-peen then great! Personally I don't see why people care about dps when endgame is so trivial and easy to beat even elite with the power curve.
THIS is what it all boils down to.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Some few are exceptional player who use Beams, and some are exceptional players who use cannons ...
Pick which one you like and go with it ...
I personally like using a Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer with cannons, as it has a good BoFF layout for cannons. GW + CSV for the small bunches of peons, and let WCB's do the work for you, then hit CRF for any stragglers ...
but seriously, not that beams aren't great, but a lot of beam DPS in STFs is padded by the gate and transformers before the generators explode.
I think getting great DPS with cannons is a better measure of a good pilot.
I've never tried the A2Batt build, mainly cause I'm a contrary person.
PvE is easy on STO, use what you want. If I'm playing with you, as long as you aren't exploding every 5 seconds I'm happy w/ teammates. Like that CEE from a couple days ago... it went on for TWENTY minutes before I left. It was like I was in the old style CE event!
No Cruisers with beams....only flying saucers with cannons are allowed to win.
2nd or 3rd in CE/CEE? Is that possible?
I thought finishing 1 st was standard. I have gone in with an Oberth and finished first.
It's the cat. You have one and I do not.
Hence, not winning STO