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Am I a scrub for using cannons in pve?

dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited September 2014 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I know beams do more dps, I know all about overcapping, superior arc, better boff assigments...I know the mechanics of what makes beams superior to cannons.

Yet I stick with cannons, similar to how some players stick to a torpedo...even though they know it's bad for dps...

All in all...I enjoy cannons more but I can't get over the loss of dps....

Time to take some of my own medicine and stop using an inferior weapon type.

Anyone else come to terms with using beams over cannons
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  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    you can do whatever your heart desires, man.
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • jslynjslyn Member Posts: 1,790 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    That sounds oddly like the opposite of what it was at this time last year.

    Personally, I am one of those people that enjoy Torpedo Boats, so I don't have a lot to say on stick-to-DPSing.
  • damainxdamainx Member Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I use torpedoes all the time on all of my ships, usually 2 of them on the fore and the rest beams. Yet, I come in 2nd and 3rd on the Crystaline event. Anyone who says torps aren't good dps just don't use them right. Same with cannons.
  • pompoulusspompouluss Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Okay.
    Time to take some of my own medicine and stop using an inferior weapon type.

    glad we could be of assistance
  • bethshepardbethshepard Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    You can make 40k+ with cannons (on the right ship, jem dread, scimitar, avenger) so no your not a scrub. In an escort with a good group 25k is about where you want to be though. Maybe beams are the "correct" choice, but this is a game so enjoy it the way you want to.
  • artfulmerkageartfulmerkage Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    dahminus wrote: »
    I know beams do more dps, I know all about overcapping, superior arc, better boff assigments...I know the mechanics of what makes beams superior to cannons.

    Yet I stick with cannons, similar to how some players stick to a torpedo...even though they know it's bad for dps...

    All in all...I enjoy cannons more but I can't get over the loss of dps....

    Time to take some of my own medicine and stop using an inferior weapon type.

    Anyone else come to terms with using beams over cannons

    I think you care too much about numbers.
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  • svindal777svindal777 Member Posts: 856 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Beams give more dps, but half the time it's on targets that can be killed yet, beacuse of FAW spamming.

    Example: Cure space, the upper probes and cube while the lower cube isn't yet destroyed.
    Well excuse me for having enormous flaws that I don't work on.
  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I just use whatever I feel like. I always have torps because that's how ships in Trek were always depicted. Even if my ship ends up having only 1 or no torp skills, they always have a torp equipped. DPS be damned.

    If you like the cannons, use the cannons. If you like the beams, use the beams.
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  • tekehdtekehd Member Posts: 2,032 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I use DHC's and DBB's mostly mixed on many builds.... and I use torps... most of my big ships have the rom hyp-plasma torp forward with three stacked purple projectile doffs.... so I can send out those chains of 12-15 plasma torps at NPC bosses.... I heavily lean on the Aux-canon and torps as I run fairly low weapons power on my sci's Vesta..... with lost of excess power to aux for all those sci abilities. Sure, may not register high on DPS, but I can debuff and root the **** out of enemy npc ships to boost everyone elses.
  • madviolamadviola Member Posts: 110 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    My thought is, it's a game. Do what you like. If you enjoy using cannons, then TRIBBLE it all and use cannons. I've recently been using one beam fore, one beam aft, and the rest torpedoes. Not the highest DPSer, but not too shabby either. Go with what you like.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    LOL, scrub.


    Yeah, I am also doing it. I am used to my Escorts using DHCs, I just can't convince myself to change.

    I guess we're both scrubs, but that's okay, as long as we know it and don't demand other people to play to our play style.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Feel like I am in bizarro world here.. When I last played around season 6 if you weren't in a cannon escort or a sci ship you weren't even welcome in public pve. :confused:
  • mycroft1701mycroft1701 Member Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    damainx wrote: »
    I use torpedoes all the time on all of my ships, usually 2 of them on the fore and the rest beams. Yet, I come in 2nd and 3rd on the Crystaline event. Anyone who says torps aren't good dps just don't use them right. Same with cannons.

    I always use torps too.


    I have one toon who uses them exclusively in his fleet TVaro, and I too usually get 2nd or 3rd in the event 😀.
  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    No, because "scrub" does not mean what you think it means.
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  • wilbor2wilbor2 Member Posts: 1,686 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    My bop uses cannons n in the last CSE i did i was doing 12k dps i was not even trying very hard. if u do 5k dps u have the fire power to do all elite missions in the game.
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  • blakes7tvseriesblakes7tvseries Member Posts: 704 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Just like ice cream people like different flavors and dishes.
    Some like Banana splits, others a sundae and some a cone of ice cream.

    Pressuring people to max out DPS is a turn off for many people who are just here for fun.
    I have seen several Fleets loose people over peeing contests of DPS.
    We have seen post here in forums of people crying they don't get enough action due to Scimitars.
    While I have ships with over 20k DPS, its still fun to fly an all SCI build.

    While a good level of DPS is important and its what's fun for many lets not shame people for playing with toys.
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  • wintiemintiewintiemintie Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Use whatever you want. Cannons just require you be more active in positioning, beams lets you pick your nose and hurr durrr while flying around in a circle.

    I personally favor cannons. I use them on my VoQuv.

    Yes thats right. Cannons on mah mirror VoQuv. With torpedoes.
    Amusingly its a good mix for damage. Does enough damage to hold threat on entity in CCE throughout the match without any points into threat skill.

    And addedly, pve you can use anything. Use what you like, don't fret over beams vs cannons for pve. Its not life or death situation. Go with what YOU like best. Do you like being a bag of round candies exploding while using CSV? Go with cannons. do you want to look like a lazer porcupine because of FaW? Go with beams.

    Ultimately, damage wise it doesn't matter. Both types of weapons do so much damage you can place your nose between G and H keys. Place left eyebrow on 1. Then proceed to roll your face across the keyboard until your right eyebrow touches 0. Rinse and repeat.
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    dahminus wrote: »
    I know beams do more dps, I know all about overcapping, superior arc, better boff assigments...I know the mechanics of what makes beams superior to cannons.

    Yet I stick with cannons, similar to how some players stick to a torpedo...even though they know it's bad for dps...

    All in all...I enjoy cannons more but I can't get over the loss of dps....

    Time to take some of my own medicine and stop using an inferior weapon type.

    Anyone else come to terms with using beams over cannons

    You're a scrub for many reasons, but using cannons over beams is not one of them, my friend. :D
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  • wintiemintiewintiemintie Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    iconians wrote: »
    You're a scrub for many reasons, but using cannons over beams is not one of them, my friend. :D

    Kinda Harsh. :P
  • annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,700 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    dahminus wrote: »
    I know beams do more dps, I know all about overcapping, superior arc, better boff assigments...I know the mechanics of what makes beams superior to cannons.

    Yet I stick with cannons, similar to how some players stick to a torpedo...even though they know it's bad for dps...

    All in all...I enjoy cannons more but I can't get over the loss of dps....

    Time to take some of my own medicine and stop using an inferior weapon type.

    Anyone else come to terms with using beams over cannons

    no, you are just going with "canon" pun intended
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  • hyplhypl Member Posts: 3,719 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    If you're not playing an MMO for the numbers, you're doing it wrong.

    :P
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  • icsairgunsicsairguns Member Posts: 1,504 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    i can not make myself use beams on my Klingon battle cruisers it dont dont feel right. so im still with cannons.
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  • induperatorinduperator Member Posts: 806 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Question is am I a scrub for not using the Kinetic cutting beam?
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    I saw a FAW T'varo the other day in a CCE...they looked like they were having fun, who am I to say anything?
  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    virusdancer wrote: »
    I saw a FAW T'varo the other day in a CCE...they looked like they were having fun, who am I to say anything?

    You're on the STO forums. You're supposed to have an opinion that is contrary to everyone else's, and your opinion is the only right one. You should know better than that. :P
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,715 Community Moderator
    edited September 2014
    icsairguns wrote: »
    i can not make myself use beams on my Klingon battle cruisers it dont dont feel right. so im still with cannons.

    I have my Kamarag Retrofit set up with dual beam banks on the front. Works alright for me.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,966 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I have my Kamarag Retrofit set up with dual beam banks on the front. Works alright for me.

    And I once ran a light cruiser with DHCs, which was plain damn weird. :D
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  • jtoney3448jtoney3448 Member Posts: 642 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    In 4min infected runs i can manage 4million + dmg with my torp'varo. 1 million alone off my nukura webmines. Anyone who said an all kinetic ship doesn't work is dead wrong, most fun ship to fly out of all mine. It will pull same damage in other content even without massive unshielded targets, and no I dont use transphasic torpedos cept for a breen cluster. Photon torpedos all the way.

    And you can easily do just as much DPS with DHC as you can with beams you just have to watch what your doing and use a good setup. A2B/A2D builds with all DHC can obliterate stuff. And the old DHC+DBB+Torpedo burst combo is still every bit as good as it used to be.

    Know your ships, know your builds and nothing in PVE can stand in your way. I don't have a ship that I can't pull 3mill + dmg in an STF with, and no I don't always fly tac heavy ships *Pets his underpowered Fleet Galaxy R*.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,715 Community Moderator
    edited September 2014
    starswordc wrote: »
    And I once ran a light cruiser with DHCs, which was plain damn weird. :D

    I think a friend of mine slapped some VA level DHCs on a Miranda, and managed to spike up to 4 or 5K DPS.
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    Yang Xiao Long wrote:
    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
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