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Why we are afraid of Delta Rising.
assimilatedktar
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Because of things like this. If Cryptic is unable to keep a promise as simple as putting an NPC on a map within 4 months (and instead makes the mission unobtainable), why should we trust them when they say that our old ships won't become obsolete?
FKA K-Tar, grumpy Klingon/El-Aurian hybrid. Now assimilated by PWE.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
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People are afraid that their very expensive ships become obsolete, despite being told otherwise.
Thus far, this is the only real concern I've seen (despite some people claiming otherwise)... it's not "will my borg set be obsolete", or "What about My MK XII Fleet weapons".
Yes there are SOME, but the concern is mainly the ships.
We have Boff's?
im not afraid of DR, having the kazon in the game has unsettled a few other people so much so this one person on the forum is shouting for the hell of it because he dont like kazon. too bad, they are here and im revelling in the idea of kazon defeating t6 ship players :P.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
WHY WOULD YOU SAY SUCH A THING?
:eek:
This character is why I don't play my Romulan any more. Tovan Khev is NOT my BFF! Get him off my bridge!
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I've also seen people complain about the Mk XII sets and weapons, but there is (was?) a half-done upgrade interface, so I guess we'll be able to upgrade them for tons of dilithium.
However, you are wrong about the ships. It's not about them being expensive. It's about the ships people want to fly. Just like people complained when their favourite T5 ship didn't have a fleet version yet. If someone tells me that there will be new ships with awesome abilities that everyone will want to have, but that our old ships won't become obsolete that's red alert. Because I've actually build whole character concepts around their ships. I have a character in a Galaxy-X with AGT uniforms. I have a time-traveling TOS Vulcan in a D'kyr. I don't want that to be ruined by the new best ships looking like the Dysons or Iconian-hybrids. In the shows the crews stuck to their ships. The ships were basically part of the cast. We are constantly forced to upgrade.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
why would you come up with such a hellish idea... good thing all my slots are full :P
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
The military technological difference between the barbarians and Rome was pretty negligible. Also, Rome was already on its way out by the time the barbarians arrived. How do you think Rome conquered most of Europe in the first place?
As I said: It's not that there are zero concerns about it... But look over the things... Look over the feedback to the dev-blogs... The ones that generate most posts are ships, not gear... They pop up, but it always ends with the ships.
And yes... Some people like to play around with different themes for their character... I am all for that, and won't say it's silly or anything like that, but I honestly doubt that this is the main concern.
And hell, you're quoting Smirk, not an actual developer. I doubt he controls the flow of content or schedule at all, let alone bug fixes.
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Not saying you aren't right... But how about mentioning them..?
For crying out loud, the devs said years ago that we'd get a crafting update. They said we'd get a rep revamp. They told us almost to the letter exactly what was in each major update this year. They even told us, months before STLV even, almost exactly what they verbally announced at STLV. And you want me to prove it?!? The information is and has always been readily available to all of you. If your goal is to make me look like a liar, fine. But don't ignore things that have actually came to fruition from dev hints and reveals then whine about how you're so scared of things.
Seriously, it's not gonna be as bad as you think. No, I don't know the future, but I'm saying this beyond a reasonable doubt that our ships are not gonna fall behind the new stuff.
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I share the concern about my ships, and am also concerned about what lifetime benefits will be given.
And my biggest concern atm is the broken stuff. The not quite fixed DO interface, for example, is a horrible clunky bandaid. The missions show negative time then, ONE at a time, some sort of "fix it" routine discovers and fixes the missions so they are completed. It takes forever, and it looks unprofessional, and I have to ask, why was it monkeyed with in the first place? The timers, I mean... they were FINE until someone touched them. And the timers should not have needed to be messed with to drag the data into the new interface?!
On top of that there are other persistent bugs. We need a bug fix season, not a one here & there patch but a full season of nothing but bug fixes.
You've just hit the nail on the head about my biggest concern with DR. I just want to continue using my favourite ships at end game in the same weightclass as any other end-game ship. Don't care if the upgrade costs any type of resources as long as they can be brought to a full and complete T6.
Feeling like I'm forced out of my ship if I want to be top-notch in a game where ENT era ships pass as lockbox quality doesn't sit well with me at all.
I sort of agree, O, but in agreeing there is an issue.
Thing is, DR will be what it will be.
I figure the devs will do what the devs always do.
Make content they think will entertain, which will entertain the majority of us, at least some of the time.
There will be issues, because big complicated things have issues, many will be sorted out quickly, some slowly, some sadly ignored.
In other words, business as usual. Which is not bad, because we're still playing it, right?
However, I think you're being a bit too easy on the PR side of things.
I doubt that, if an individual is responsible, we know who they are.
But the front line of the PR side of things recently has not been working very well.
That's not an entirely trivial problem.
Because, mishandling that sort of thing can hit revenue streams.
Not exactly the same thing, but I don't buy a computer, a car, a refrigerator, then complain two years later that it is no longer the best model out there. Nor do I expect Lenovo, Lexus or LG to give me free equipment upgrades so that it simulates the newest/best stuff coming out right now.
If that's the expectation, it's entirely unreasonable.
Probably, but the second part of that has already been officially ruled out for DR.
Which is fair enough, and Geko did say the idea is still on the table.
Just not ready to implement yet.
If he speaks of opinion shared by at least 2 people, he is fully right to use "we". Since I already agreed with him before you posted, that makes at least 2 people, so his "we" is spot on.
Come back when you have something more intelligent to nitpick.
Sure, some of the things the devs say about the content they plan on implementing seems as though they are just 'wishes', and that we can just brush that off. But they're not mere fanboys dreaming of how they can influence their beloved franchise, they're developers of a continuation of the main continuity that actually can influence the franchise. They don't just talk out of their TRIBBLE. If they plan on doing something, unless it's something that is yet too difficult from a development standpoint or something that they merely got sidetracked with, they're probably gonna make it a reality.
And some of them do play the game. They have admitted to it, not even a month ago in fact. They realize how big of a thing our current ships are to us. Hell, it's probably higher on the list than the mere 7-10 innate tier-6 ships. To think that the PR department needs to convey such a position that, granted all IMO is the most reasonable position to assume? That alone I think is unreasonable.
It would be suicide for them not to retrofit our old ships. Which is actually worse off for them than any of us. Why? STO is their lives. Their jobs. STO is what feeds their families. If they recognize such an obvious thing to do to keep most of their players playing, of course they'd do it. And yes, it IS possible that our current ships won't be upgraded. But if you look at the bigger picture, it's neither plausible nor reasonable from either side.
It's just so heartbreaking to see my fellow trekkies worried about this. I don't want you guys worried about it either. I'm worrier for you. But as I'm not part of the STO team, I can only do so much. And honestly, I'm not sure I can give much more reason than I have been.
Just don't lose hope guys. ;_;
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You and I both know Cryptic would be so kind and give you an extra slot to squeeze him in, nice try though.
I say the only thing you guys should be afraid of is the new shinnies. And what I mean by new shinnies is bugs.
You and me both. I mean hell I have ships I love for toons and it's their main ship.
I have 9 chars, 1 char per carrier track per faction.
Each char has their own ship they use. I put time and effort into getting those ships the way I want for the most part.
I don't want DR to come in and completely train wreck everything and suddenly to be current I have to go back(and yes I've dropped about 150 bucks and I realize it's a gamble but damn it I don't want to give up all those ships I like!) and now I have to get all those ships to be able to enjoy the new content.
That will be a deal breaker for me with Star Trek if everything I've done is suddenly "oops sorry, you're SOL, but go get our new shines and don't forget to pay!"
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There's an important truth in what you say.
One way or another, things will always go something like this........
.....dev announces a desire to create feature X during a podcast, he is pressed for a release date but will only say its on the table but wont be out for six months.
Cue minority who now firmly believe it will be implemented in six months.
There is another group of people who understand that was not the information intended, but zealots are hard to reason with.
Low level forum war ensues......devs wonder whats wrong with people.
As Sir Terry once wrote, to find the IQ of a mob, simply find the person with the lowest IQ then divide by the number of people in the mob.
That does happen, and I dont expect devs to deal with it.
I want devs to be hired for their skills in making the game, not how well they deal with someone who's irrationally irate.
However, I do expect there to be an arm of the companies bringing us the game that do specialise in that area. PR, or CM.
Cordially, I disagree that work in this area has been up to snuff recently.
I sincerely doubt that those employees in this area visible to us are the root of the issue.
There are too many examples recently of the PR/CM side of things not striving for excellence, let's say.
I'd like that to change.
It'll be some pretty locations and more stuff to play through, pretty much what we have already with a new paint job. I'm not expecting anything ground breaking or innovative here.
I'm quite sure to appease everyone in STO you could probably complete all the new content blindfolded, riding a tricycle and simply slapping the hulls of enemies with a wet haddock. So I am also not really expecting much challenge either.
As for the new levels, the new abilities and yes, the new ships? Not really worried. Without more information there is no point in being worried. There is every chance a T6 ship is just another T5 one with some more flashing LED lights on it, and perhaps some toys to better compliment these new level 60 abilities.
Seeing as a T4 ship can keep up with T5 now, why could a T5 not keep up with a T6 in the future?
Since I like Tovan Khev I have no problem with a Neelix Boff. He's the best cook in the Delta Quadrant