The old FPE is still the old Fleet Patrol Escort, its not the new Fleet Patrol Escort Refit.
Umm...yeah, it is - read the blog. For shorts, here is the quote:
"...There is currently a Fleet Patrol Escort available in the in-game ship store if you have a Tier 1 Fleet Shipyard. That ship will be retired and no longer available. It will be replaced with the new Fleet Patrol Escort Refit...."
Fleet Commander
Caprica's Revenge (...actually active since November 2010, which may one day be important to archaeologists, but not to anyone else...)
How would people be confused by it? I don't see that at all.
FPE and FPER have the same Fleet skin, but have a different layout. Somebody might buy the FPE when they meant to buy the FPER. Also your posts referring to the FPER as FPE v2 demonstrate that existing owners dont recognize there is a difference between FPE and FPER.
Umm...yeah, it is - read the blog. For shorts, here is the quote:
"...There is currently a Fleet Patrol Escort available in the in-game ship store if you have a Tier 1 Fleet Shipyard. That ship will be retired and no longer available. It will be replaced with the new Fleet Patrol Escort Refit...."
The ship in the c-store catalog is getting replaced. Plain english. Says nothing about the ship in your collection.
The ship in the c-store catalog is getting replaced. Plain english. Says nothing about the ship in your collection.
Negative. The C-Store variant is the Tempest Class. The FLEET version, the one being replaced, is the Maelstrom variant, and it was the ONLY FPE variant available at Shipyard Tier 1. And, you CAN NO LONGER buy the "standard" FPE, so there is no confusing the two - the former is NO LONGER AVAILABLE, as per the blog.
Sorry mate, two ships here - talking about the latter. Again, read the blog.
Fleet Commander
Caprica's Revenge (...actually active since November 2010, which may one day be important to archaeologists, but not to anyone else...)
Either Cryptic purposefully lied or once again, put a typo within the stats.
The Dev blog says the ship has a shield modifer of 0.95, and the Fleet varient is 1.045. HOWEVER, when I checked the Ship Requisitions in-game, it says the ship has a shield modifier of 0.9 and the Fleet varient has 0.99
Is there a thread or anything on the matter that those that have the previous version of Fleet Patrol have to repay 5 fleet modules to buy the new one.
They should at least give us the option with 1 fleet module that is the difference in price between the two version to change to new.
Is there a thread or anything on the matter that those that have the previous version of Fleet Patrol have to repay 5 fleet modules to buy the new one.
They should at least give us the option with 1 fleet module that is the difference in price between the two version to change to new.
Payed 2000 zen (4 fleet modules) to buy it.
Nice policy Cryptic. :mad:
It's in the new blog that we are only SUPPOSED to have to pay 1 (still a rip-off since we paid 4 for the original, but the math equals out IF they actually stick to their word...unlikely):
Here's the quote:
"...Cost: 5 Fleet Modules (1 Fleet Module if you already own the Patrol Escort Refit) plus Fleet Credits..."
Fleet Commander
Caprica's Revenge (...actually active since November 2010, which may one day be important to archaeologists, but not to anyone else...)
FPE and FPER have the same Fleet skin, but have a different layout.
Same thing happened with the Galaxy X. But did they just leave the old Gal-Xs as they were? No, they changed them as well. Granted, it wasn't such an extreme change but it was a change nontheless.
Somebody might buy the FPE when they meant to buy the FPER. Also your posts referring to the FPER as FPE v2 demonstrate that existing owners dont recognize there is a difference between FPE and FPER.
But that doesn't explain why cryptic didn't change the old ones that are already out in circulation. To use your logic, If someone owned the old one and then bought the new ones, they could confuse them.
IMO It's just cryptic/pwe gouging for cash and IMO that isn't cool.
Either Cryptic purposefully lied or once again, put a typo within the stats.
The Dev blog says the ship has a shield modifer of 0.95, and the Fleet varient is 1.045. HOWEVER, when I checked the Ship Requisitions in-game, it says the ship has a shield modifier of 0.9 and the Fleet varient has 0.99
I pointed that out a few pages ago. It has happened before, I'm sure*.
It's in the new blog that we are only SUPPOSED to have to pay 1 (still a rip-off since we paid 4 for the original, but the math equals out IF they actually stick to their word...unlikely):
Here's the quote:
"...Cost: 5 Fleet Modules (1 Fleet Module if you already own the Patrol Escort Refit) plus Fleet Credits..."
uh.... the Patrol Escort Refit is not the Fleet Patrol Escort.... it never said owning the FPE will get you a FPER for 1 Module. its saying if you own the C-store PER you get the FPER for 1 module.
Negative. The C-Store variant is the Tempest Class. The FLEET version, the one being replaced, is the Maelstrom variant, and it was the ONLY FPE variant available at Shipyard Tier 1. And, you CAN NO LONGER buy the "standard" FPE, so there is no confusing the two - the former is NO LONGER AVAILABLE, as per the blog.
Sorry mate, two ships here - talking about the latter. Again, read the blog.
Sorry I typo'd and wrote c-store meant to say "fleet catalog"
Plain english, it says the ship in the catalog is getting replaced, says nothing about the ship in your roster
uh.... the Patrol Escort Refit is not the Fleet Patrol Escort.... it never said owning the FPE will get you a FPER for 1 Module. its saying if you own the C-store PER you get the FPER for 1 module.
Indeed. But in the past where ships have been buffed, it's been applied retroactively. Arkif and gal-x buffs are examples of this, though they weren't total changes like the new boff layout for the FPE.
But that doesn't explain why cryptic didn't change the old ones that are already out in circulation.
THEY ARENT THE SAME SHIP so there's no reason to "replace". Look, there are multiple variations on many ships. For example, there is the free T3 Tactical Escort, the c-store Tactical Escort Refit, the c-store Tactical Escort Retrofit, and the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit. You do not get free upgrade from TE to TE Reift to TE Retrofit, do you? It is the same thing here, PE != PER; FPE != FPER. If you want the upgrade you get to buy it. Nobody took your existing FPE away. What you are really saying is ~"there is another fleet ship with a similar name and skin, therefore I should get it for free because Cryptic confused me"
THEY ARENT THE SAME SHIP so there's no reason to "replace". Look, there are multiple variations on many ships. For example, there is the free T3 Tactical Escort, the c-store Tactical Escort Refit, the c-store Tactical Escort Retrofit, and the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit. You do not get free upgrade from TE to TE Reift to TE Retrofit, do you? It is the same thing here, PE != PER; FPE != FPER. If you want the upgrade you get to buy it. Nobody took your existing FPE away.
You are misreading all of my posts. I am NOT saying that one should get a free PEr just because they already own an old PE or the old FPE. What I am saying (and you are apparently not getting) is that the old FPE should be upgraded to the new FPE.
It was good enough for the Arkif and the gal-x, so why is it not good enough for the FPE?
What you are really saying is ~"there is another fleet ship with a similar name and skin, therefore I should get it for free because Cryptic confused me"
No, I never brought up the issue of possible confusion. You did, as I recall.
THEY ARENT THE SAME SHIP so there's no reason to "replace". Look, there are multiple variations on many ships. For example, there is the free T3 Tactical Escort, the c-store Tactical Escort Refit, the c-store Tactical Escort Retrofit, and the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit. You do not get free upgrade from TE to TE Reift to TE Retrofit, do you? It is the same thing here, PE != PER; FPE != FPER. If you want the upgrade you get to buy it. Nobody took your existing FPE away. What you are really saying is ~"there is another fleet ship with a similar name and skin, therefore I should get it for free because Cryptic confused me"
No dude; the old Fleet Patrol Escort has been retired; it is no more. It has ceased to be. It's expired and gone to meet its maker. This is a late fleet ship. It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. And it has been replaced by a ship with the same name but different stats; none of the above ships have been retired; this is the first one. Bought with 2000 zen, the old fleet patrol is not available anymore. Name one single other ship that is in the same position.
They could've sold this issue by making the new ship an entire new line, not associated with Patrol escort.
Its NOT A NEW FPE, its a NEW FPER. ITS A DIFFERENT SHIP.
So why is the old one now gone then? If it were a "new" ship then it would not have all the same skin options as the old one. If it were a "new" ship then they would not have removed the old one from sale.
Funny, we've gone around in a circle.
The C-store t5 is a new one, but the the fleet version is merely a buff for the "old" FPE plus a new skin option.
THEY ARENT THE SAME SHIP so there's no reason to "replace". Look, there are multiple variations on many ships. For example, there is the free T3 Tactical Escort, the c-store Tactical Escort Refit, the c-store Tactical Escort Retrofit, and the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit. You do not get free upgrade from TE to TE Reift to TE Retrofit, do you? It is the same thing here, PE != PER; FPE != FPER. If you want the upgrade you get to buy it. Nobody took your existing FPE away. What you are really saying is ~"there is another fleet ship with a similar name and skin, therefore I should get it for free because Cryptic confused me"
Keep dreaming
So if they re-release every single ship in expansion 2 by adding an 'advanced' tag in front of it and adding the new secondary deflector/comm array/whatever item slot to them and expected everyone to pay another $25+ for the new version that would be ok?
Because it wouldn't be ok by me. The removed the old ship because it wasn't desirable enough to continue selling. The FPE everyone currently has isn't even good enough to justify the space in the catalog to Cryptic.
And it has been replaced by a ship with the same name but different stats
It has a different name: Fleet Patrol Escort Refit.
And it is a different ship.
Your old Fleet Patrol Escort still exists, nobody took it away.
You can ask for a free upgrade but dont act like its the same ship and all the existing instances should be replaced. Its a different ship, different class, different stats from the old one.
It has a different name: Fleet Patrol Escort Refit.
And it is a different ship.
Your old Fleet Patrol Escort still exists, nobody took it away.
You can ask for a free upgrade but dont act like its the same ship and all the existing instances should be replaced. Its a different ship, different class, different stats from the old one.
That just so happens to have ALL the same skin options as the old one? That also just so happens to have the same write up in the fleet shipyard? That also happened to come in right as the old one was taken from the game?
How is it a different class? They're both eng heavy escorts. The stats have changed yes, but they aren't completely different.
Yes, the old one still exists, but you keep missing the point that this is setting a very bad precedent for us players.
Would you be okay with paying up full price each time cryptic decides to buff a ship?
The new FPER has the embedded tailgun and more hull than the old FPE. Its a different ship.
Read the rest of my post.
That just so happens to have ALL the same skin options as the old one? That also just so happens to have the same write up in the fleet shipyard? That also happened to come in right as the old one was taken from the game?
How is it a different class? They're both eng heavy escorts. The stats have changed yes, but they aren't completely different.
If it were a "completely different ship" then it would not have so many similarities with the old one. It is a buff.
So if they re-release every single ship in expansion 2 by adding an 'advanced' tag in front of it and adding the new secondary deflector/comm array/whatever item slot to them and expected everyone to pay another $25+ for the new version that would be ok?
Because it wouldn't be ok by me. The removed the old ship because it wasn't desirable enough to continue selling. The FPE everyone currently has isn't even good enough to justify the space in the catalog to Cryptic.
I didnt say it was okay, I am trying to correct people's idea that its somehow the same ship and they should therefore get a hot-swap replacement when what they are asking for is an upgrade to another ship (the "advanced" model). In fact I think its terrible practice and I complain everytime people talk about lvl 60 that this is what we can expect for it. And lo it happened. People who act like they cant tell the difference between ship classes arent actually doing any good here.
That just so happens to have ALL the same skin options as the old one? That also just so happens to have the same write up in the fleet shipyard? That also happened to come in right as the old one was taken from the game?
How is it a different class? They're both eng heavy escorts. The stats have changed yes, but they aren't completely different.
Yes, the old one still exists, but you keep missing the point that this is setting a very bad precedent for us players.
Would you be okay with paying up full price each time cryptic decides to buff a ship?
Y'know what else has all of the same skin options as the old one and the same write up in the fleet shipyard? The Assault Cruiser Refit. And like the Patrol Escort, it has a BOFF layout that is vastly different.
I didnt say it was okay, I am trying to correct people's idea that its somehow the same ship and they should therefore get a hot-swap replacement when what they are asking for is an upgrade to another ship (the "advanced" model). In fact I think its terrible practice and I complain everytime people talk about lvl 60 that this is what we can expect for it. And lo it happened. People who act like they cant tell the difference between ship classes arent actually doing any good here.
If it were a completely different ship then it wouldn't share absolutely everything the old one has, other than the stats, which aren't miles different anyway.
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How would people be confused by it? I don't see that at all.
Long story short, devs want more money from us.
Umm...yeah, it is - read the blog. For shorts, here is the quote:
"...There is currently a Fleet Patrol Escort available in the in-game ship store if you have a Tier 1 Fleet Shipyard. That ship will be retired and no longer available. It will be replaced with the new Fleet Patrol Escort Refit...."
Fleet Commander
Caprica's Revenge
(...actually active since November 2010, which may one day be important to archaeologists, but not to anyone else...)
No kidding
The ship in the c-store catalog is getting replaced. Plain english. Says nothing about the ship in your collection.
Negative. The C-Store variant is the Tempest Class. The FLEET version, the one being replaced, is the Maelstrom variant, and it was the ONLY FPE variant available at Shipyard Tier 1. And, you CAN NO LONGER buy the "standard" FPE, so there is no confusing the two - the former is NO LONGER AVAILABLE, as per the blog.
Sorry mate, two ships here - talking about the latter. Again, read the blog.
Fleet Commander
Caprica's Revenge
(...actually active since November 2010, which may one day be important to archaeologists, but not to anyone else...)
The Dev blog says the ship has a shield modifer of 0.95, and the Fleet varient is 1.045. HOWEVER, when I checked the Ship Requisitions in-game, it says the ship has a shield modifier of 0.9 and the Fleet varient has 0.99
They should at least give us the option with 1 fleet module that is the difference in price between the two version to change to new.
Payed 2000 zen (4 fleet modules) to buy it.
Nice policy Cryptic. :mad:
KDF Eng: Boreas I.K.S. Demonon Nemesis {Fleet: HoS}
Rom Sci: Crius I.R.W. Noctem Aeternus {Fleet: LoS}
Fed Tac: Kronos U.S.S. Xibalba, I.S.S. Theogonia{Fleet: HSF}
It's in the new blog that we are only SUPPOSED to have to pay 1 (still a rip-off since we paid 4 for the original, but the math equals out IF they actually stick to their word...unlikely):
Here's the quote:
"...Cost: 5 Fleet Modules (1 Fleet Module if you already own the Patrol Escort Refit) plus Fleet Credits..."
(Whole Blog: http://community.arcgames.com/en/news/star-trek-online/detail/5002633)
Fleet Commander
Caprica's Revenge
(...actually active since November 2010, which may one day be important to archaeologists, but not to anyone else...)
Same thing happened with the Galaxy X. But did they just leave the old Gal-Xs as they were? No, they changed them as well. Granted, it wasn't such an extreme change but it was a change nontheless.
But that doesn't explain why cryptic didn't change the old ones that are already out in circulation. To use your logic, If someone owned the old one and then bought the new ones, they could confuse them.
IMO It's just cryptic/pwe gouging for cash and IMO that isn't cool.
Unless it's a bug and unintentional. [/hopes up]
I pointed that out a few pages ago. It has happened before, I'm sure*.
*Cryptic putting out wrong stats, that is.
uh.... the Patrol Escort Refit is not the Fleet Patrol Escort.... it never said owning the FPE will get you a FPER for 1 Module. its saying if you own the C-store PER you get the FPER for 1 module.
Sorry I typo'd and wrote c-store meant to say "fleet catalog"
Plain english, it says the ship in the catalog is getting replaced, says nothing about the ship in your roster
Indeed. But in the past where ships have been buffed, it's been applied retroactively. Arkif and gal-x buffs are examples of this, though they weren't total changes like the new boff layout for the FPE.
It sets a new precedent and not a good one.
Keep dreaming
You are misreading all of my posts. I am NOT saying that one should get a free PEr just because they already own an old PE or the old FPE. What I am saying (and you are apparently not getting) is that the old FPE should be upgraded to the new FPE.
It was good enough for the Arkif and the gal-x, so why is it not good enough for the FPE?
No, I never brought up the issue of possible confusion. You did, as I recall.
I intend to.
No dude; the old Fleet Patrol Escort has been retired; it is no more. It has ceased to be. It's expired and gone to meet its maker. This is a late fleet ship. It's a stiff. Bereft of life, it rests in peace. And it has been replaced by a ship with the same name but different stats; none of the above ships have been retired; this is the first one. Bought with 2000 zen, the old fleet patrol is not available anymore. Name one single other ship that is in the same position.
They could've sold this issue by making the new ship an entire new line, not associated with Patrol escort.
So why is the old one now gone then? If it were a "new" ship then it would not have all the same skin options as the old one. If it were a "new" ship then they would not have removed the old one from sale.
Funny, we've gone around in a circle.
The C-store t5 is a new one, but the the fleet version is merely a buff for the "old" FPE plus a new skin option.
So if they re-release every single ship in expansion 2 by adding an 'advanced' tag in front of it and adding the new secondary deflector/comm array/whatever item slot to them and expected everyone to pay another $25+ for the new version that would be ok?
Because it wouldn't be ok by me. The removed the old ship because it wasn't desirable enough to continue selling. The FPE everyone currently has isn't even good enough to justify the space in the catalog to Cryptic.
And it is a different ship.
Your old Fleet Patrol Escort still exists, nobody took it away.
You can ask for a free upgrade but dont act like its the same ship and all the existing instances should be replaced. Its a different ship, different class, different stats from the old one.
That just so happens to have ALL the same skin options as the old one? That also just so happens to have the same write up in the fleet shipyard? That also happened to come in right as the old one was taken from the game?
How is it a different class? They're both eng heavy escorts. The stats have changed yes, but they aren't completely different.
Yes, the old one still exists, but you keep missing the point that this is setting a very bad precedent for us players.
Would you be okay with paying up full price each time cryptic decides to buff a ship?
The new FPER has the embedded tailgun and more hull than the old FPE. Its a different ship.
Read the rest of my post.
If it were a "completely different ship" then it would not have so many similarities with the old one. It is a buff.
Y'know what else has all of the same skin options as the old one and the same write up in the fleet shipyard? The Assault Cruiser Refit. And like the Patrol Escort, it has a BOFF layout that is vastly different.
If it were a completely different ship then it wouldn't share absolutely everything the old one has, other than the stats, which aren't miles different anyway.