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johncampbell07
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I just completed the First Contact mission event. I took the time to visit each of the bridge officers on the Enterprise-F and came across a very disturbing dialog.
While speaking with Lt. Com. Tem Inasi I was informed that Zefram Cochran was one of those evil capitalists types and his endeavor to prove Warp Drive was launched for the wrong reasons. For "personal gain".
This smacks of influence from the ChiCom arraignment and it serves as a leftist propaganda statement for kids playing STO that no self respecting American would condone. It is most definitely not part of the Star Trek story.
I would appreciate a response, especially since I'm a paying customer to one of those evil capitalist endeavors known as Star Trek online. I'm sure Cryptic, CBS, and others involved with this production work for free since "personal gain" is now a taboo.
While speaking with Lt. Com. Tem Inasi I was informed that Zefram Cochran was one of those evil capitalists types and his endeavor to prove Warp Drive was launched for the wrong reasons. For "personal gain".
This smacks of influence from the ChiCom arraignment and it serves as a leftist propaganda statement for kids playing STO that no self respecting American would condone. It is most definitely not part of the Star Trek story.
I would appreciate a response, especially since I'm a paying customer to one of those evil capitalist endeavors known as Star Trek online. I'm sure Cryptic, CBS, and others involved with this production work for free since "personal gain" is now a taboo.
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also, from a lore point of view it makes sense...after all "greed" and self enrichment is not a personal goal in the 25th century anymore.
as a self respecting 'merican, you'd also respect the freedom of cryptic and/or the writers behind that particular idiological view.
another thing is: you really JUST now realise that star trek has a socialistic twist and that the federation is a socialist (almost communist) society? It has been that way since forever.
If you are looking for idiological approved games and stuff, you need to move to north korea, they are not so liberal with what can be watched/played/read there.
Nobody cares.
Dont like it, dont play it.
But he DID develop warp drive for personal gain. Direct quote from First Contact: "You wanna know what my vision is? Dollar signs, money! I didn't build this ship to usher in a new era for humanity. You think I wanna see the stars? I don't even like to fly! I take trains! I built this ship so I could retire to some tropical island...filled with naked women. THAT'S Zefram Cochrane. THAT'S his vision. This other guy you keep talking about, this historical figure? I never met him. I can't imagine I ever will."
Welcome to what Gene Roddenberry actually believed. He thought by the 24th Century man would have "evolved" beyond money and greed. Don't take it up with Cryptic for being faithful to the source material.
Heck, watch First Contact and see how Riker is uncomfortable hearing his childhood hero wasn't in it to make a brave to new world but to "make alot of money and retire on an island filled with naked women."
For the record, yes, Star Trek has been Anti-Capitalistic for decades. Go watch TNG Season 1 episode "The Neutral Zone" to see just how far it is.
TRIBBLE Hydra! Hail Janeway!
Also, Zephram Cochrane DID say he did it for money, as Caeloaeturnum quoted. Unless you are one of those types who deludes themselves into thinking only TOS is canon or something.
get your head out of your TRIBBLE. capitalism and communism is the same thing because the same people are at the top - the royals and the rich.
PS: STAR TREK IS LEFTIST- always has been dude. It's why everything is free in STARTREK. Education, Spacetravel, Medicine, Food, Clothes, Housing- it's a well established theme that all federation worlds and members have 100% liberty to do as they please, and the federation will provide the tools to make it happen- aka, an education, food, clothes, a home.
love- A LEARNED AMERICAN.
now I maybe wrong but if I remember correctly in the TNG first contact movie Zefram and his assistant were discussing making money on the Phoenix if it worked and that was before the away team showed up.
-From the novel of the film, Zefram was bipolar and due to the aftermath of WWIII he could no longer receive medication; he "self-medicated" with alcohol.
-Regarding the 'logs': I think its debatable just what Riker et.al. would put in those logs regarding Zefram; I don't think they would have bashed him like this NPC claims.
-Did Cochrane truly believe it was for financial gain? I wonder about this; he certainly blurts it out during the film, but was he just being cynical about himself? After all it is not quite realistic that he'd actually think he'd make tons of money from his warp capable ship from a war-torn Earth with little government or need for space exploration.
After the flight he certainly didn't use his genius for financial gain; but to become the great man history portrayed him as (Enterprise).
IMO, I think in terms of celebrating First Contact Day; this NPC's dialogue should be changed.
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either not watched or did not understand the film, over entitlement, speaking for all americans, the 'i pay money so you should respond to me' quote, conspiracy theories.
it has everything.
LOLOLOLOLOL. You're a stitch! The next time you have a thought, let it go!
Then call CBS, Paramount or whatever, and say you are a paying customer, and the story shouldn't go that way. As a paying customer you have the right to tell the writers what they should write.
With little luck, they'll call the psychiatrists, and you'll receive the help you need.
Likely the former.
Thanks for the wonderful completely out of touch OP though made my day.
Hey I think Gene was nuts... no way 300-500 years is enough time for us to come that far. Perhaps if trek was 2000 years in the future it might not seem so crazy.
As others have said they are being true to the IP... many people of the games time frame would find ZCs motives a bit sickening. If I'm not mistaken they show ZC on enterprise years later with a completely new take on things. When he sees what people do with the tech and how they come together after first contact... he reevaluates and gasp becomes a lot more socialist. lol
Oh shut up.
In Star Trek First Contact, Zefram flat out admitted to the ent-E crew that he wasnt some legendary hero, that he wanted to sell his design so he could retire to some tropical island with lots of women.
Thats exactly the person he was.
Just.... shut up.
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I collored in red because it might be painfull but if you saw the movie and later the serie where zefram was found by kirk we all know that he explained in the series and the film he wanted to use the ship to get away from earth to visit a planet to find beautifull woman he never build the ship for men kind in the way the Enterprise crew was taught.
Film edit :
[Phoenix cockpit]
RIKER: Look at that!
COCHRANE: What, you don't have a moon in the twenty-fourth century?
RIKER: Sure we do. It looks a lot different. There are fifty million people living on the moon in my time. You can see Tycho City, New Berlin, even Lake Armstrong on a day like this.
COCHRANE: Aha.
RIKER: And you know, Doctor...
COCHRANE: Please ...don't tell me it's all thanks to me. I've heard enough about the great Zefram Cochrane. I don't know who writes your history books or where you get your information from, but you people got some pretty funny ideas about me. You all look at me as if I'm some kind of saint or visionary or something.
RIKER: I don't think you're a saint, Doc, but you did have a vision. ...And now we're sitting in it.
COCHRANE: You wanna know what my vision is? ...Dollar signs! Money! I didn't build this ship to usher in a new era for humanity. You think I wanna go to the stars? I don't even like to fly. I take trains. I built this ship so that I could retire to some tropical island filled with ...naked women. That's Zefram Cochrane. That's his vision. This other guy you keep talking about. This historical figure. I never met him. I can't imagine I ever will.
RIKER: Someone once said 'Don't try to be a great man. Just be a man, and let history make it's own judgements'.
COCHRANE: Rhetorical nonsense. Who said that?
RIKER: You did, ten years from now. ...You've got fifty-eight minutes, Doc. You better get on with the checklist.
"Coffee: the finest organic suspension ever devised. It's got me through the worst of the last three years. I beat the Borg with it."
well done.
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God i hate my citizens at times.
I mean, 99% of this game is us killing people. I wouldn't take the ideology of this game too seriously.
It seems to be common knowledge that the crew of the Enterprise-E committed a major temporal incursion, does no-one find it odd that such a mission is not classified by the Department of Temporal Investigations?
(Or even more odd that the even-further future based Temporal Integrity Commission, who's very purpose is to maintain the prime timeline, didn't do anything about the Borg's actions in the first place?)
I've always assumed first contact had a profound effect on the man, leading him to re-evaluate well... everything
Whatever views or opinion anyone else has of Zephram Cochrane, I guess Lt. Com. Tem Inasi does not share it.
Not everyone shares the same opinion, what is the world coming to? DOOM...
thats like saying why the TIC didnt stop nero from making a whole new alternate universe. The Enterprise had already fixed it by the time they would have figured out there was a problem. as for why its not classified by the DTI, it wouldn't matter much if theencounter was in sealed planitary records kept by earth after the event and were discovered later.
And my other me agree on that, even the creepy one and the little girl.
But maybe you are with them....
If there is one ship crew that has access to that kind of information, it would be the Enterprise crew.
Also Temporal Investigations or Future Time police can't do anything about that incursion because they would change their own timeline.
First Contact is a self fullfilling prophecy incident.
There never was a First Contact without the Borg, it just wasn't known until the Enterprise-E crew witnessed it.
For all we know, without the incursion, Zephram Cochrane could have slept through the scheduled launch day drunk under the table and the Vulcan's had passed through the system not bothering with the primitives.
You should hear what the Engineer on the Bortas said about "honor".