Nah. The "ships" you see in the babylon 5 show about these "first ones" (im not talking about the shadows or the vorlons) are just the projections they use to represent emselves. But the first ones actually never appeared in the show, not as a race emselves. We only saw their ship projections or watever you want to call those great and weird space ships that we all saw in the show. I mean, the first ones were so great that they didnt even bother to travel emselves to there, they just sent projections of their kind to aid in the war. The Shadows are post-firs ones, same as the Vorlons. WE could say shadows and the vorlons are not the first ones. They are the second-ones. lol.
The first ones just got tired after the first great war and they just avoided every kind fo contact with other species. They even consider the Shadows and vorlons really "young" species..
The Shadows and Vorlons ARE First Ones.
Like the weird ships that were collected (or their operators to be more precise) to fight them. And Lorien of course.
They are all First Ones.
And yeah, they are all powerful beyond comprehension, but I won't turn this into a "my cosmic god-race VS your cosmic god-race"
PS: But one thing you have wrong. The Shadows are not considered "young". They are the second oldest race, second only to Lorien's people. They are older then the other First Ones which left the Galaxy. But the Vorlons are late-commers afair.
The Shadows and Vorlons ARE First Ones.
Like the weird ships that were collected (or their operators to be more precise) to fight them. And Lorien of course.
They are all First Ones.
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They are first ones but not all of em were the first ones. I dunno if you know wat i meant. Vorlons and Shadows are not the first ones, they evolved after the first ones. Still Shadows and Vorlons are considered first ones because they evolved in the same time - range than the first ones. But they are not the "firsts" lol. Dunno how to say it lol.
Thats thre reason the first ones considered the shadows and the vorlons "young" disciples. It was said in one of the last episodes of the show. Lorien was one of the first ones, in the whole complete meaning of the word, yes. And i think he is the only first one as a species member that we could see.
Um, no. Lorien was the last of his race, which was the first of the first ones. First ones include: Vorlons, Shadows, Walkers (of sigma 957), and The Triumviron among others. The ships were not projections, though they were largely piloted by servant races, as seen by Anna Sheridan. Please stop spreading false rumors, as it makes the show look bad. Thanks.
They are first ones but not all of em were the first ones. I dunno if you know wat i meant. Vorlons and Shadows are not the first ones, they evolved after the first ones. Still Shadows and Vorlons are considered first ones because they evolved in the same time - range than the first ones. But they are not the "firsts" lol. Dunno how to say it lol.
Thats thre reason the first ones considered the shadows and the vorlons "young" disciples. It was said in one of the last episodes of the show. Lorien was one of the first ones, in the whole complete meaning of the word, yes. And i think he is the only first one as a species member that we could see.
So you are only talking about Lorien's people? They are THE First Ones. But in B5, only Lorien is left of them. The weird ships are not from Lorien's race. They are from other species younger then the Shadows and older then the Vorlons.
Lorien's race wasn't "The First Ones" by the terminology of the younger races (the younger races didn't even know about Lorien and his people until Sheridan went to Z'ha'dum.), even if they were the first race to achieve sentience in the galaxy (and Lorien the first of them to do so.). When the Minbari, Narn, etc. talk of "The First Ones", they mean the Shadows, the Vorlons, the 'Walkers' and so forth.
And yes, even though they're all "The First Ones" to the younger races, they wouldn't have all come into existance at the exact same time, some would have come before others and introduced them to Lorien's people like Humans met the Vorlons through the Minbari after the E/M War. Think about it, when the 'Fourth Age' finally comes and it's the races-yet-to-be's turn to inherit the galaxy, they'll look at the Minbari and the Narn and the Humans as a single 'generation' despite the fact that the Minbari were among the stars when Humans still lived in the age of knights and castles, that Humans and Narns were actually the 'late-comers' to the galactic stage (ironically enough, both in different ways but each because of the Centauri).
"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross; but it's not for the timid." -- Q, TNG: "Q-Who?"
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
Lorien's race wasn't "The First Ones" by the terminology of the younger races (the younger races didn't even know about Lorien and his people until Sheridan went to Z'ha'dum.), even if they were the first race to achieve sentience in the galaxy (and Lorien the first of them to do so.). When the Minbari, Narn, etc. talk of "The First Ones", they mean the Shadows, the Vorlons, the 'Walkers' and so forth.
Fair enough.
But all this talk about the Walker's etc ships being projections of Lorien's people and the Shadows are young compared to them is just not true.
As said... the Shadows are amongst the oldest. Older then the Vorlons and the Walkers as far as we know, but younger then Lorien's people.
And in the end they are all First Ones. After Lorien revealed himself his and his (gone) people fell under that term. They came literally first.
So you are only talking about Lorien's people? They are THE First Ones. But in B5, only Lorien is left of them. The weird ships are not from Lorien's race. They are from other species younger then the Shadows and older then the Vorlons.
First ones - Lorien's people -> Kirishiac (other first one race) -> Thoughtforce (other first one race) -> Triumviron (other first one race)-> Shadows -> Walkers - > Vorlons
Shadows and Vorlon's were evolved in separate ways after Lorien's people, but the other first ones were already sharing the time with Lorien's people by then.
So, the oldest will be Lorien's people, Kirishiac, Thoughtforce and Triumviron. Shadows, Walkers and Vorlons are old, lol, but not the "oldest" ones.
First ones - Lorien's people -> Kirishiac (other first one race) -> Thoughtforce (other first one race) -> Triumviron (other first one race)-> Shadows -> Walkers - > Vorlons
Shadows and Vorlon's were evolved in separate ways after Lorien's people, but the other first ones were already sharing the time with Lorien's people by then.
So, the oldest will be Lorien's people, Kirishiac, Thoughtforce and Triumviron. Shadows, Walkers and Vorlons are old, lol, but not the "oldest" ones.
We are just using different definitions of the term "First Ones", it seems.
I use it as it was used in the series. First Ones never was meant only for Lorien and his people, but for all the ancient races from that "generation" of species.
2.) Pointlessly flying around in circles with no targets in sight for another 5-10 minutes, wating for a fixed timer to run out.
3.) Blow up planet killer in about 4-5 seconds.
4.) collect the same reward you would have gotten if you skipped 1) and just /afked during the timer.
There still seems to be a couple of misconceptions coming about with this mission. Once again, I'll clarify these points.
#1 - This part is pretty much right, but only 6 rifts must be closed over the course of the mission. The errant rifts I mentioned in post 10 will only summon ships if a player of the incorrect career choice attempts to close it.
#2 - There is no fixed timer. Each rift can be closed once you properly escorted the command ship and close the rift and the objective switches seamlessly between rifts and the planet killer.
#3 - The planet killer is generally easy to take on without dying (from my experience), but it has 4 million HP on normal and increased damage resistance. It will actually take a while due to those factors alone. This is a good opportunity for proper career captains to close any errant rifts that appear. EDIT: And get bonus points.
#4 - I can sympathize with you here. It's a problem every queue has.
#1 - This part is pretty much right, but only 6 rifts must be closed over the course of the mission. The errant rifts I mentioned in post 10 will only summon ships if a player of the incorrect career choice attempts to close it.
I'm curious, what is the in-game explanation of why certain career choices are better at closing certain rifts?
I'm under the impression it's going to be a new PvE mission, introducing new Marks, but I've seen no sign of either, so I'm a bit confused as to not only WHAT'S going on, but WHERE I'd need to go to participate, as from what I've read, this STF has already been introduced to STO.
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The Shadows and Vorlons ARE First Ones.
Like the weird ships that were collected (or their operators to be more precise) to fight them. And Lorien of course.
They are all First Ones.
And yeah, they are all powerful beyond comprehension, but I won't turn this into a "my cosmic god-race VS your cosmic god-race"
PS: But one thing you have wrong. The Shadows are not considered "young". They are the second oldest race, second only to Lorien's people. They are older then the other First Ones which left the Galaxy. But the Vorlons are late-commers afair.
They are first ones but not all of em were the first ones. I dunno if you know wat i meant. Vorlons and Shadows are not the first ones, they evolved after the first ones. Still Shadows and Vorlons are considered first ones because they evolved in the same time - range than the first ones. But they are not the "firsts" lol. Dunno how to say it lol.
Thats thre reason the first ones considered the shadows and the vorlons "young" disciples. It was said in one of the last episodes of the show. Lorien was one of the first ones, in the whole complete meaning of the word, yes. And i think he is the only first one as a species member that we could see.
So you are only talking about Lorien's people? They are THE First Ones. But in B5, only Lorien is left of them. The weird ships are not from Lorien's race. They are from other species younger then the Shadows and older then the Vorlons.
And yes, even though they're all "The First Ones" to the younger races, they wouldn't have all come into existance at the exact same time, some would have come before others and introduced them to Lorien's people like Humans met the Vorlons through the Minbari after the E/M War. Think about it, when the 'Fourth Age' finally comes and it's the races-yet-to-be's turn to inherit the galaxy, they'll look at the Minbari and the Narn and the Humans as a single 'generation' despite the fact that the Minbari were among the stars when Humans still lived in the age of knights and castles, that Humans and Narns were actually the 'late-comers' to the galactic stage (ironically enough, both in different ways but each because of the Centauri).
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
Fair enough.
But all this talk about the Walker's etc ships being projections of Lorien's people and the Shadows are young compared to them is just not true.
As said... the Shadows are amongst the oldest. Older then the Vorlons and the Walkers as far as we know, but younger then Lorien's people.
And in the end they are all First Ones. After Lorien revealed himself his and his (gone) people fell under that term. They came literally first.
First ones - Lorien's people -> Kirishiac (other first one race) -> Thoughtforce (other first one race) -> Triumviron (other first one race)-> Shadows -> Walkers - > Vorlons
Shadows and Vorlon's were evolved in separate ways after Lorien's people, but the other first ones were already sharing the time with Lorien's people by then.
So, the oldest will be Lorien's people, Kirishiac, Thoughtforce and Triumviron. Shadows, Walkers and Vorlons are old, lol, but not the "oldest" ones.
1.) Close rifts.
2.) Pointlessly flying around in circles with no targets in sight for another 5-10 minutes, wating for a fixed timer to run out.
3.) Blow up planet killer in about 4-5 seconds.
4.) collect the same reward you would have gotten if you skipped 1) and just /afked during the timer.
We are just using different definitions of the term "First Ones", it seems.
I use it as it was used in the series. First Ones never was meant only for Lorien and his people, but for all the ancient races from that "generation" of species.
In the meantime, I am *sick* of rift-closing duty, and this seems to promise more of the same.
There still seems to be a couple of misconceptions coming about with this mission. Once again, I'll clarify these points.
#1 - This part is pretty much right, but only 6 rifts must be closed over the course of the mission. The errant rifts I mentioned in post 10 will only summon ships if a player of the incorrect career choice attempts to close it.
#2 - There is no fixed timer. Each rift can be closed once you properly escorted the command ship and close the rift and the objective switches seamlessly between rifts and the planet killer.
#3 - The planet killer is generally easy to take on without dying (from my experience), but it has 4 million HP on normal and increased damage resistance. It will actually take a while due to those factors alone. This is a good opportunity for proper career captains to close any errant rifts that appear. EDIT: And get bonus points.
#4 - I can sympathize with you here. It's a problem every queue has.
Hope this clarifies everything.
I'm curious, what is the in-game explanation of why certain career choices are better at closing certain rifts?
Apparently all captains are power mad micro-managers and refuse to delegate work to those bridge officers that knows how to do things better.
A test server is supposed to be used to properly test patches before patching anything....
Whats the point of adding it at all?
A test server is supposed to be used to properly test patches before patching anything....
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I'm under the impression it's going to be a new PvE mission, introducing new Marks, but I've seen no sign of either, so I'm a bit confused as to not only WHAT'S going on, but WHERE I'd need to go to participate, as from what I've read, this STF has already been introduced to STO.