So you took time out of repeatedly stomping pugs in the queues then?
Got so boring being spammed to death by your lot in the queues (5-6 matches on the bounce).
Yet the second a TD group started vaping your team, they all warped out.
Groups like yours is one of the main but not the only reasons I've all but canned this game.
Although, stonewall are pretty bad for it too.
Pugstomping is inevitable and a problem (or no problem) to every fleet in this game. We don't do it because it's fun to shoot guys without TacTeam. But with the PVP-System revamp things will change. It wont stop pugstomping, because it's possible that 5 good player get queued up against 5 without TacTeam. But one thing has to be claryfied here: We did never spam a team to death, and vaping is no spam. (I know some people have a different opinion about it).
Btw.: the reason why always the same fleets/premades are part of the discussion in the forums is simply that there are not many left. So if you meet us 6 times in a row, either means we already fought a match against IC or someone else or that there is no other team in the Queues, and that's how it is in most cases. These days for example the only decent premade left (that frequently hits the Queue) we can fight is IC...that's a bad development.
I knew some of your member wanted to have a nice fight without spam and even supported the idea, the problem was that one or two guys (the ones that talk the most normally) completely ignored our offer and even made fun about it. We handle things the same way HanK and Hannibal mentioned already: if you have some guys who are willing to set up a match, just pm us. We wont decline as long as we have enough member online.
I remember a thread about "the good old PVP" a while back.
Funny thing about it when I was at Ker'rat, I unknowingly shot him couple of times (with my fairly new char, phased pol DHC's, drain build @ retrofit defiant, 2x spread + 2x AB), he went totally berserk and threw every piece of cheese possible at me.
That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.
You might say: but this is just a game, only a tiny video game! However, why does someone get kicked out of a chat by a mod if he is offensive or even get banned from the game if cryptic figured out he used an exploit? Is it possible that some rules existing in real life matter to some extend in a MMO as well? Is it possible that rules of sportsmenship and good behaviour even exist or should exist if "I am on" and play STO?
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Ok heres the main problem with this argument. Every universal console, OP broken DOFF and Elite pet in the game was put there by the people who make the "rules" for the game. Its very hard to argue that someone is not following the rules because they're using the tools that the developers put in the game to be utilized in exactly the manner they are. As sad as it is, Black hole consoles, Elite Yellowstones, Biologist doffs and all the others are "working exactly as intended."
If you want to talk about why the whole system is broken, thats another story entirely. If you want to set up a private match where you are only allowed to use certain abilities, you can certainly do that, but the queue system, as it now stands allows people to use all those things you're complaining about... without breaking any rules.
As for sportsmanship, and good behavior, every single person Ive talked to in this game has their own idea of what is acceptable, what is OP, what is Cheese, and what needs to be buffed/nerfed. Neither you or I or anyone here is qualified to make that determination for every person who walks into an arena match. All it ever does is turn into the same old " If im doing it its ok, but what youre doing is cheating" argument, and its kinda pointless.
Actually the only thing that I can say with complete certainty is totally bulls**t is people who kill their game client in the middle of a match so they get logged out before getting vaped..... know anyone who does that?
PROTIP - negative style is usually cheese useage, zero style is generally a clean build, positive style usually means you rammed someone.
That cant tell if you are using stuff like AMS, grav pulse, subspace circuit or many other cheese consoles from combat logs, that rating doesn't make sense and many people are in the negatives I see there. that doesn't even show most of my games just stuff other people parsed as I haven't used that program in a long time and hardly anyone does in KDF matches.
01. Have fun - Most important.
02. Max of four hanger bays per team, Yellowstones, Elite Interceptors & Romulan Drone Ships banned.
03. No more than 3 of the same captains and no more then 2 of the same ship types.
04. No Boarding Parties. (Broken).
05. No Dkora EMP burst. (Broken) 06. No scramble sensors with the DOFFs (Without DOFFs no issue).
07. No Grav Pulse (AOE 50 second hold not fun)
08. Once you are in 1 team an have played, you cannot move to another. 09. Temporal Inversion not allowed.
10. All fleets and random players/groups are welcome to play, individuals/groups who have personal issues stopping them from having a great time need not take part.
11. We as the host have the right to remove/add things that may be fixed or broken by Cryptic between now and the end of the tournament, that would of course come with the majority vote of all groups taking part. 11b. Universal Console - Subspace Integration Circuit - Banned.
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Hello,..
this is nice.. if everybody play with this " rules ", that will be fine for the gameplay.
greetings
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
T'lilu SCI./Dxxdavid TAK./STO Inner Circle *** R.I.P. ***
Yesterday we fought a PvP-Fleet (I do not name names though), and:
Oh my god! They had every Spam they could mount onto their Ships!
Tif, AMS, Scramble (with Doff), Black-Hole, Graviton Pulse Generator... Most
of those things even twice or more . They did not field Yellowstones simply
because they did not have a Ship with a Hangar
WHY?
Do some premates really need to spam the arenas?
Are those teams too weak to play in a polite manner?
Many ppl complain about certain Consoles/doff's and strong premates
abuse them? Why?
We (as premates) should show the others skill and not spam!
Greetz Siegfried
PS: It was no private challenge, we q'ed!
I am not in a premade team... but I do not care obout what you call cheese
Everybody can use it, so there is no advantage for no one...
That's until you are not talking about a private match with some king of agreement.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
vice squad now, fs a couple months ago, sob before that, etc.... There will be always a cheese fleet around, just ignored them, as happend before u won't ever see a fleet like that in a tournamnet with rules, or even in a private match with rules, for the simple reason that without the cheese their builds are not effective.
vice squad now, fs a couple months ago, sob before that, etc.... There will be always a cheese fleet around, just ignored them, as happend before u won't ever see a fleet like that in a tournamnet with rules, or even in a private match with rules, for the simple reason that without the cheese their builds are not effective.
Why do you guys call us a cheese fleet. I am literally the only one who uses cheese...well now that saphy runs my build on his sci, he does too. Seriously its one person, on occasion two, but when saphy and i run scis together we usually are in kerrat. Some keep ams in their inventory but dont use it normally. And im not changing my build so deal with it
ps. people have asked if i can fit any more cheese on my ship so here is an answer...yes, i have 3 more slots for cheese if i really wanted to, but i find stuff that helps with hunting cloakers is more effective.
-TaylorSwift - PvPs most hated sci
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15-1. Now go talk some more trash about beating us over and over and over and over.
Oh right, we also beat you 4v4 last night.
Are you guys done now? Look at all that negative style on your side, oh my god, whos the cheese team now.
Dude, first brush away the foam from your mouth haha.
How pathetic is this haha? After the 20+ attempt, you guys finally won some. A 4v5, us not having any sort of damage, but its a start, congratz Put it into a nice frame and hang it onto the wall.
Noteworthy of course that you guys still refused to play a private...
15-1. Now go talk some more trash about beating us over and over and over and over.
Oh right, we also beat you 4v4 last night.
Are you guys done now? Look at all that negative style on your side, oh my god, whos the cheese team now.
You are talking s*** about a match that took you 2 hours to finish, 4v5? xD bahahaha... posted up on the forums... You're ridiculous. I'd be embarrassed to be in a fleet with you.
Keep in mind guys, this is a public forum. Which means everyone can see it. Anyone looking to start PVP will probably come to this subforum, read threads like this, then leave. Complaining like little children isn't going to help get people interested in PVP, quite the opposite.
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ohh is he ? last time i vaped him in arena at least a dozen times in a pug match, he began to cry about vapers like a butthurt children. definetely the right guy for vice squad ;D
Space PvP is littered with cheese at the moment. It is impossible to get around due to the sheer number of imbalances within the Space game at the moment. Everyone uses some form of imbalanced game mechanic and everyone has a different definition on what is and is not balanced. The reason for this is because many people are incapable of separating their emotional attachment from a mechanic in order to look at the game from a development perspective.
There is no reason for these stick measurement flame wars. "My fleet is better than your fleet" debates are pointless and unwelcoming toward anyone interested in joining the PvP community. There are many skilled players within the community. There is no one person or fleet that is better than all the rest; accept that fact and move on. We are here to have fun; let's focus on the actual mechanics rather than on petty interfleet rivalries that will be meaningless in a small passage of time.
I and anyone that has ever played Ground PvP knows all about Brew. He isn't of the age of majority and is prone to emotional episodes. Good luck, I fear you will need it.
ohh is he ? last time i vaped him in arena at least a dozen times in a pug match, he began to cry about vapers like a butthurt children. definetely the right guy for vice squad ;D
In all fairness, there is a difference between "cheese" and "exploiting". Many vapers are console swapping Isometric charge; which is a blatant exploit.
Space PvP is littered with cheese at the moment. It is impossible to get around due to the sheer number of imbalances within the Space game at the moment. Everyone uses some form of imbalanced game mechanic and everyone has a different definition on what is and is not balanced. The reason for this is because many people are incapable of separating their emotional attachment from a mechanic in order to look at the game from a development perspective.
There is no reason for these stick measurement flame wars. "My fleet is better than your fleet" debates are pointless and unwelcoming toward anyone interested in joining the PvP community. There are many skilled players within the community. There is no one person or fleet that is better than all the rest; accept that fact and move on. We are here to have fun; let's focus on the actual mechanics rather than on petty interfleet rivalries that will be meaningless in a small passage of time.
+1 Thank you.
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And this is why there are so few updates for PvP. Its dead, because there's no regulation on what can and can't be used. Most of the blame actually falls on cryptic for not having any foresight. But part of it is also with the players who use such bs. These are the same players who whine and cry and ***** when theyre op'd ships and equipment are needed or countered by boosting other items. They're why there's so much power creep and bs powers in this game. Because rather than accept that their way of playing is just wrong, they go on a rampage until its the only way to win. Because they can't accept that they suck at the game without some cheap paid for ability to pwn other players.
Looks like a fun match
5 man IC team with 5 Sci.....
I guess Inner Circle is now considered a joke fleet as well, who are just queuing up to troll the queue
Didn't someone called Hannibal complain about such fleet teams recently?
And this is why there are so few updates for PvP. Its dead, because there's no regulation on what can and can't be used. Most of the blame actually falls on cryptic for not having any foresight. But part of it is also with the players who use such bs. These are the same players who whine and cry and ***** when theyre op'd ships and equipment are needed or countered by boosting other items. They're why there's so much power creep and bs powers in this game. Because rather than accept that their way of playing is just wrong, they go on a rampage until its the only way to win. Because they can't accept that they suck at the game without some cheap paid for ability to pwn other players.
You know thats the thing. I have until recently always prided myself on being that clean type of player. Then we realized that to truly be competitive we had to fight fire with fire, there was no way around it.
So now I have joined the dark side I guess. No turning back, even though I myself usually run a clean build on everything but my vaper (isometric) and healer (hangar pets).
At the end of the day though, I am most definitely not one of those players that has to crutch, so I naturally get pretty offended when I am accused of it without actually being the one to do it.
I suppose its my nature to point out hypocrisy, since the accusers lately have been just as guilty as they claim I have been.
I dunno, id rather play clean, but theres no way to in the current state of the game, unless you want to get roflstomped by the side that is using the broken TRIBBLE.
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Lifetime Subscriber since 2012 == 17,200 Accolades = RIP PvP and Vice Squad
Chief of Starfleet Intelligence Service == Praise Cheesus
Oh he was there until they were down 9-1. Then I reckon he left so they could use it as an excuse. But hey its all good. I saw what you said before you edited it.
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http://hilbertguide.com/leaderboard/index.php?handle=marc8219&name=Taleria
Look at all of that negative style.
Confirmed for hypocritical liar.
Also, you play a romulan cloaker. Your entire opinion is invalid on that alone.
Now for fun
http://hilbertguide.com/leaderboard/index.php?handle=rylanadionysis&name=Kailiana&
Shut the hell up about who runs "clean" and who doesnt.
PROTIP - negative style is usually cheese useage, zero style is generally a clean build, positive style usually means you rammed someone.
Fleet Admiral Rylana - Fed Tac - U.S.S Wild Card - Tactical Miracle Worker Cruiser
Lifetime Subscriber since 2012 == 17,200 Accolades = RIP PvP and Vice Squad
Chief of Starfleet Intelligence Service == Praise Cheesus
Pugstomping is inevitable and a problem (or no problem) to every fleet in this game. We don't do it because it's fun to shoot guys without TacTeam. But with the PVP-System revamp things will change. It wont stop pugstomping, because it's possible that 5 good player get queued up against 5 without TacTeam. But one thing has to be claryfied here: We did never spam a team to death, and vaping is no spam. (I know some people have a different opinion about it).
Btw.: the reason why always the same fleets/premades are part of the discussion in the forums is simply that there are not many left. So if you meet us 6 times in a row, either means we already fought a match against IC or someone else or that there is no other team in the Queues, and that's how it is in most cases. These days for example the only decent premade left (that frequently hits the Queue) we can fight is IC...that's a bad development.
@lonelder
I knew some of your member wanted to have a nice fight without spam and even supported the idea, the problem was that one or two guys (the ones that talk the most normally) completely ignored our offer and even made fun about it. We handle things the same way HanK and Hannibal mentioned already: if you have some guys who are willing to set up a match, just pm us. We wont decline as long as we have enough member online.
Funny thing about it when I was at Ker'rat, I unknowingly shot him couple of times (with my fairly new char, phased pol DHC's, drain build @ retrofit defiant, 2x spread + 2x AB), he went totally berserk and threw every piece of cheese possible at me.
Hippocrit at it's finest.
I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
Ok heres the main problem with this argument. Every universal console, OP broken DOFF and Elite pet in the game was put there by the people who make the "rules" for the game. Its very hard to argue that someone is not following the rules because they're using the tools that the developers put in the game to be utilized in exactly the manner they are. As sad as it is, Black hole consoles, Elite Yellowstones, Biologist doffs and all the others are "working exactly as intended."
If you want to talk about why the whole system is broken, thats another story entirely. If you want to set up a private match where you are only allowed to use certain abilities, you can certainly do that, but the queue system, as it now stands allows people to use all those things you're complaining about... without breaking any rules.
As for sportsmanship, and good behavior, every single person Ive talked to in this game has their own idea of what is acceptable, what is OP, what is Cheese, and what needs to be buffed/nerfed. Neither you or I or anyone here is qualified to make that determination for every person who walks into an arena match. All it ever does is turn into the same old " If im doing it its ok, but what youre doing is cheating" argument, and its kinda pointless.
Actually the only thing that I can say with complete certainty is totally bulls**t is people who kill their game client in the middle of a match so they get logged out before getting vaped..... know anyone who does that?
That cant tell if you are using stuff like AMS, grav pulse, subspace circuit or many other cheese consoles from combat logs, that rating doesn't make sense and many people are in the negatives I see there. that doesn't even show most of my games just stuff other people parsed as I haven't used that program in a long time and hardly anyone does in KDF matches.
01. Have fun - Most important.
02. Max of four hanger bays per team, Yellowstones, Elite Interceptors & Romulan Drone Ships banned.
03. No more than 3 of the same captains and no more then 2 of the same ship types.
04. No Boarding Parties. (Broken).
05. No Dkora EMP burst. (Broken)
06. No scramble sensors with the DOFFs (Without DOFFs no issue).
07. No Grav Pulse (AOE 50 second hold not fun)
08. Once you are in 1 team an have played, you cannot move to another.
09. Temporal Inversion not allowed.
10. All fleets and random players/groups are welcome to play, individuals/groups who have personal issues stopping them from having a great time need not take part.
11. We as the host have the right to remove/add things that may be fixed or broken by Cryptic between now and the end of the tournament, that would of course come with the majority vote of all groups taking part.
11b. Universal Console - Subspace Integration Circuit - Banned.
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Hello,..
this is nice.. if everybody play with this " rules ", that will be fine for the gameplay.
greetings
*** R.I.P. ***
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I am not in a premade team... but I do not care obout what you call cheese
Everybody can use it, so there is no advantage for no one...
That's until you are not talking about a private match with some king of agreement.
Playing STO spamming FAW is like playing chess using always the computer's suggested moves
@grandpaxx:
We always play with that rules (OK! 2 tacs, 3 sci), but we
wanna beat others with style and skill not with spam and cheese :cool:
Greetz Siegfried
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Why do you guys call us a cheese fleet. I am literally the only one who uses cheese...well now that saphy runs my build on his sci, he does too. Seriously its one person, on occasion two, but when saphy and i run scis together we usually are in kerrat. Some keep ams in their inventory but dont use it normally. And im not changing my build so deal with it
ps. people have asked if i can fit any more cheese on my ship so here is an answer...yes, i have 3 more slots for cheese if i really wanted to, but i find stuff that helps with hunting cloakers is more effective.
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-EmiliaClarke - Under construction engi recluse
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Suck it, Hank.
15-1. Now go talk some more trash about beating us over and over and over and over.
Oh right, we also beat you 4v4 last night.
Are you guys done now? Look at all that negative style on your side, oh my god, whos the cheese team now.
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Lifetime Subscriber since 2012 == 17,200 Accolades = RIP PvP and Vice Squad
Chief of Starfleet Intelligence Service == Praise Cheesus
Brew is in your fleet?
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Dude, first brush away the foam from your mouth haha.
How pathetic is this haha? After the 20+ attempt, you guys finally won some. A 4v5, us not having any sort of damage, but its a start, congratz
Noteworthy of course that you guys still refused to play a private...
You are talking s*** about a match that took you 2 hours to finish, 4v5? xD bahahaha... posted up on the forums... You're ridiculous. I'd be embarrassed to be in a fleet with you.
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ohh is he ? last time i vaped him in arena at least a dozen times in a pug match, he began to cry about vapers like a butthurt children. definetely the right guy for vice squad ;D
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There is no reason for these stick measurement flame wars. "My fleet is better than your fleet" debates are pointless and unwelcoming toward anyone interested in joining the PvP community. There are many skilled players within the community. There is no one person or fleet that is better than all the rest; accept that fact and move on. We are here to have fun; let's focus on the actual mechanics rather than on petty interfleet rivalries that will be meaningless in a small passage of time.
I and anyone that has ever played Ground PvP knows all about Brew. He isn't of the age of majority and is prone to emotional episodes. Good luck, I fear you will need it.
In all fairness, there is a difference between "cheese" and "exploiting". Many vapers are console swapping Isometric charge; which is a blatant exploit.
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+1 Thank you.
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5 man IC team with 5 Sci.....
I guess Inner Circle is now considered a joke fleet as well, who are just queuing up to troll the queue
Didn't someone called Hannibal complain about such fleet teams recently?
You know thats the thing. I have until recently always prided myself on being that clean type of player. Then we realized that to truly be competitive we had to fight fire with fire, there was no way around it.
So now I have joined the dark side I guess. No turning back, even though I myself usually run a clean build on everything but my vaper (isometric) and healer (hangar pets).
At the end of the day though, I am most definitely not one of those players that has to crutch, so I naturally get pretty offended when I am accused of it without actually being the one to do it.
I suppose its my nature to point out hypocrisy, since the accusers lately have been just as guilty as they claim I have been.
I dunno, id rather play clean, but theres no way to in the current state of the game, unless you want to get roflstomped by the side that is using the broken TRIBBLE.
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@DevolvedOne
Oh he was there until they were down 9-1. Then I reckon he left so they could use it as an excuse. But hey its all good. I saw what you said before you edited it.
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I think its kinda funny you all blame vice for running all this cheese. and they blame me for doing it all...muahahahahaha
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