The answer is they are not looking for fun or a challenge. They only know the fix of the win or die culture. Like an alcoholic, win addicts will do or say anything for their next fix. They don't even realize that they are not having fun anymore, they are slaves to their own addiction.
I fought (insert fleet name here) last night. I hope you remember me, Martin Brody, but it dose not matter. Epic matches are hard fought, close matches, something win addicts are too impatient for. They will use everything to get the fastest possible win and their must have fix.
Later on I fought a crew for 40 mins, straight stand up fight. Match was close, no universal cheese employed by either side. It was FUN.
Addicts can't tell you what fun is, because addiction is NEVER fun.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
no offend against ic or you, hank.
probably i should ask hannibal next time, when i see him ingame, about the challenge, when nearly each alpha of hostile tacs will be nuked within the first 2 or 3 seconds. like happened in our two last matches...
sure, it's a tactical possibility, but a challenge?
Too bad u dont roll with swift in kerrat. One half second is average Fed victim's lifespan. I for one say bring the cheese. If I land a proton on u, better have voth or meta shields and be quick w the ram dodge ask taylor. U WILL die, any odds.
However, Vice Squad is definetely not able to play without cheese. you have to understand, they are using cheese to compensate their lack of skill. Vice Squad unfortunately have less skilled players in their team and for that reason they run more clickable uni-consoles and cheesy set bonuses to hide their moderate skill level in pvp by trying to keep enemies disabled with their tools.
Indeed, we'll play any teams under NoBS rules.
My problem with those guys isn't their builds anyhow. They still got pounded even with their setups. The problem is when they quit the game when it goes bad for them.
If we all left when it went bad for us all the time? Why do we even bother to play the game at that point?
They need to learn sportsmanship, and then they need to learn teamwork.
The funny thing, in the end - imho, is that with the way things are going on Tribble and in general - nobody will be using the cheese; cause everything else is going to be so OP - it will be a simple case of who can hit their spacebar first.
The funny thing, in the end - imho, is that with the way things are going on Tribble and in general - nobody will be using the cheese; cause everything else is going to be so OP - it will be a simple case of who can hit their spacebar first.
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Though, it looks like they're going to be toning some of the Tribble stuff down based on Hawk's post in the Rep thread - so there will still be room for cheese.
O M G! Why didn't I find this topic a little earlier? So much entertainment - awesome! Cheesy teams complaining bout other cheesy teams and all that "we got skill you don't!"...mmd
I was treated to a delicious cheese feast last night by none other than everyone's favorite morose panda bears. There were so many photonic fleets, warp plasmas, pets, grav wells etc. that I couldn't even see my ship and then my laptop caught on fire. Thanks guys!
There were so many photonic fleets, warp plasmas, pets, grav wells etc. that I couldn't even see my ship and then my laptop caught on fire.
Hrmmm...do folks really consider their own hardware limitations to be cheese?
Don't get me wrong, I've lost it when going up against five folks dropping out Elite Scorps (oddly they cause me all sorts of issues that five folks dropping out all sorts of other pets, plasma poo, tet poo, grav wells, and just oodles of other things don't)...because there has to be something off with the pets to do that when other things don't...and knowing something is off - figuring they knew something was off - and thus exploiting the nature of those pets outside the normal scope of things...
...but run of the mill cats ate a box of crayons and puked it on the screen stuff rests solely with the person having the issues.
Like some of the issues over on Tribble with Fludiic Puddles and Rifts (man, if that stuff ever got into a PvP map I'd be begging to face 5x Elite Scorp full carriers in Solar Wind instead)...I know are my rig.
It just seems - well - to some, unless the other player is in an Escort and just doing regular ol' damage - then they're using cheese.
Sci Cheese...why are you killing me, stop taking my buffs - stop debuffing me - stop using that Sci Cheese!
Eng Cheese...why won't you just die - stop healing - stop using that Eng Cheese and living damn you!
Don't people know they're just supposed to sit there and let me blow them up! What's with all the damn cheese?!?!?!?!?!? And how on Earth did they kill me? Must be cheese!!!!!!!
One thing I will say about the current system (in regards to rep) is that it takes time in game to earn it. That time spent playing the game should translate to you being more powerful, otherwise what's the point? Certain consoles or set bonuses can be acquired with money again something you put time and effort into acquiring IRL. Lord knows I can't neck beard it and playing 24/7 to grind it all out so ya I throw more money than I should at this game but it's a reasonable rate of return for my enjoyment (albeit at the expense of others when they pop). I want a balanced game as much as the next fellow and I have been in the 2 hour long matched which PROVES the game is balanced almost TOO balanced. When I team up I aim to win so I team up with others that will help me achieve that end.If I dnot wanna die I pm finn, if I want insane Sci or recklessly awesome pure tac I hit up detroitdemon. Demon always puts together the best teams and yes we pug stomp but that's just luck of the draw. Much love to my bros in 32 vipers, teaming with them is the reason I still play period haha
I will say this tho amongst these ramblings, a fleet made of mine went up a vice squad pre made last month, no naming and shaming here just trying to put it on context, the match ended 13-15 in favor of them. I have the hilbert record of the match and when I looked our team had 0 to positive style and their whole team was negative meaning they were all running "cheese". 4 out of the 5 were running the subspace rupture torp. FOUR. So to say it was a chess fest is an understatment. No hard feelings but look how good we did with NO cheese on our side. Cheese isn't an "I win" if you have good communication and teamwork. It sure does help tho haha
No the elachi "black out your screen" douche console.
who ever thought up that console should be taken out back and shot. The pve in this game is so laughably easy to kill that console is ridiculous
Hey, hey, I hate that console too, but that is too harsh. What is even worse is the fact that they saw the feedback for the Space version and made an identical version for Ground combat a few months later. If you think it is bad in Space, then you should see what it does in close quarters. Not to mention it has a 30 second uptime and stacks with any other copies!
No the elachi "black out your screen" douche console.
who ever thought up that console should be taken out back and shot. The pve in this game is so laughably easy to kill that console is ridiculous
Ah, okay - when you said torp - subspace rupture - closest I could see was the rifts from the Grav Photon.
That console was massively nerfed previously (a good thing, imho) - as it stands, it's pretty damn laughable and I haven't been able to figure out why anybody would continue to use it except to perhaps buy a couple of seconds to toss a heal out to somebody.
That console was massively nerfed previously (a good thing, imho) - as it stands, it's pretty damn laughable and I haven't been able to figure out why anybody would continue to use it except to perhaps buy a couple of seconds to toss a heal out to somebody.
You should see the Ground version of that ability. It covers 7 meters and lasts 30 seconds. The cooldown on the ability is 90 seconds...unless tactical initiative is active. TI drops the ability's cooldown to...30 seconds :rolleyes:. A dampening field alone is balanced, but that trait is not fun to play against in Ground PvP.
Ah, okay - when you said torp - subspace rupture - closest I could see was the rifts from the Grav Photon.
That console was massively nerfed previously (a good thing, imho) - as it stands, it's pretty damn laughable and I haven't been able to figure out why anybody would continue to use it except to perhaps buy a couple of seconds to toss a heal out to somebody.
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People acting like that one match that got set up randomly through the queues the other day between IC and VS was somehow a big deal.... The IC team brough a full SCI troll group into the queues to I can aonly assume troll some poor pugs and and VS happened to have a mostly balanced team in that match, VS won.. big deal, it happens,....say conrgratz and move on to the next match.
What I dont understand is why so many people got angry/butthurt about the whole thing. The second ppl started dieing, insults started flying left and right from people on the IC team, talking **** about this and that and how "Were all Sci" and whatnot and thats why were losing.... It was after all your choice to bring that all Sci group in the first place.
All Im gonna say is that it was a fun match fighting against decent players. You guys made the decisions to come into the queues with 5 sci ships, no one forced that on you, why not just have fun, and enjoy the fight instead if spending all that time talking **** about how things would be different if x,y, or z happened.
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I fought (insert fleet name here) last night. I hope you remember me, Martin Brody, but it dose not matter. Epic matches are hard fought, close matches, something win addicts are too impatient for. They will use everything to get the fastest possible win and their must have fix.
Later on I fought a crew for 40 mins, straight stand up fight. Match was close, no universal cheese employed by either side. It was FUN.
Addicts can't tell you what fun is, because addiction is NEVER fun.
Brody, ToS Veterans.
I'm not replying to your post, Lucho. Just giving a thumbs up to your new avatar.
Too bad u dont roll with swift in kerrat. One half second is average Fed victim's lifespan. I for one say bring the cheese. If I land a proton on u, better have voth or meta shields and be quick w the ram dodge ask taylor. U WILL die, any odds.
Indeed, we'll play any teams under NoBS rules.
My problem with those guys isn't their builds anyhow. They still got pounded even with their setups. The problem is when they quit the game when it goes bad for them.
If we all left when it went bad for us all the time? Why do we even bother to play the game at that point?
They need to learn sportsmanship, and then they need to learn teamwork.
Good job on beating a joke setup down one man.
Still waiting on a private from you guys.
Maybe one day, you guys will grow a pair and do it.
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So smashfaceonkeyboard=profit?
-LindseyLohan - Under appreciated Rom Bug
-EmiliaClarke - Under construction engi recluse
Or pinkytoespacebarwhilewatchingnetflix...
Though, it looks like they're going to be toning some of the Tribble stuff down based on Hawk's post in the Rep thread - so there will still be room for cheese.
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Hrmmm...do folks really consider their own hardware limitations to be cheese?
Don't get me wrong, I've lost it when going up against five folks dropping out Elite Scorps (oddly they cause me all sorts of issues that five folks dropping out all sorts of other pets, plasma poo, tet poo, grav wells, and just oodles of other things don't)...because there has to be something off with the pets to do that when other things don't...and knowing something is off - figuring they knew something was off - and thus exploiting the nature of those pets outside the normal scope of things...
...but run of the mill cats ate a box of crayons and puked it on the screen stuff rests solely with the person having the issues.
Like some of the issues over on Tribble with Fludiic Puddles and Rifts (man, if that stuff ever got into a PvP map I'd be begging to face 5x Elite Scorp full carriers in Solar Wind instead)...I know are my rig.
It just seems - well - to some, unless the other player is in an Escort and just doing regular ol' damage - then they're using cheese.
Sci Cheese...why are you killing me, stop taking my buffs - stop debuffing me - stop using that Sci Cheese!
Eng Cheese...why won't you just die - stop healing - stop using that Eng Cheese and living damn you!
Don't people know they're just supposed to sit there and let me blow them up! What's with all the damn cheese?!?!?!?!?!? And how on Earth did they kill me? Must be cheese!!!!!!!
Meh...
I will say this tho amongst these ramblings, a fleet made of mine went up a vice squad pre made last month, no naming and shaming here just trying to put it on context, the match ended 13-15 in favor of them. I have the hilbert record of the match and when I looked our team had 0 to positive style and their whole team was negative meaning they were all running "cheese". 4 out of the 5 were running the subspace rupture torp. FOUR. So to say it was a chess fest is an understatment. No hard feelings but look how good we did with NO cheese on our side. Cheese isn't an "I win" if you have good communication and teamwork. It sure does help tho haha
Would that be the Gravimetric Photon Torp?
That made me laugh.
I consider cheese all my clicky toys.
Spam is when you have all that warp poo, tet plasma, theta bs.
-LindseyLohan - Under appreciated Rom Bug
-EmiliaClarke - Under construction engi recluse
No the elachi "black out your screen" douche console.
who ever thought up that console should be taken out back and shot. The pve in this game is so laughably easy to kill that console is ridiculous
Hey, hey, I hate that console too, but that is too harsh. What is even worse is the fact that they saw the feedback for the Space version and made an identical version for Ground combat a few months later. If you think it is bad in Space, then you should see what it does in close quarters. Not to mention it has a 30 second uptime and stacks with any other copies!
--->Ground Combat General Bugs Directory
Real join date: March 2012 / PvP Veteran since May 2012 (Ground and Space)
Ah, okay - when you said torp - subspace rupture - closest I could see was the rifts from the Grav Photon.
That console was massively nerfed previously (a good thing, imho) - as it stands, it's pretty damn laughable and I haven't been able to figure out why anybody would continue to use it except to perhaps buy a couple of seconds to toss a heal out to somebody.
You should see the Ground version of that ability. It covers 7 meters and lasts 30 seconds. The cooldown on the ability is 90 seconds...unless tactical initiative is active. TI drops the ability's cooldown to...30 seconds :rolleyes:. A dampening field alone is balanced, but that trait is not fun to play against in Ground PvP.
--->Ground Combat General Bugs Directory
Real join date: March 2012 / PvP Veteran since May 2012 (Ground and Space)
Heh, guess i was late to the party
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What I dont understand is why so many people got angry/butthurt about the whole thing. The second ppl started dieing, insults started flying left and right from people on the IC team, talking **** about this and that and how "Were all Sci" and whatnot and thats why were losing.... It was after all your choice to bring that all Sci group in the first place.
All Im gonna say is that it was a fun match fighting against decent players. You guys made the decisions to come into the queues with 5 sci ships, no one forced that on you, why not just have fun, and enjoy the fight instead if spending all that time talking **** about how things would be different if x,y, or z happened.
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