I am honestly not even certain what you are arguing at this point. You made a statement about bioships, we responded that they are in canon. Beyond that it does not really matter. I am certain there is tech available in a 25th century universe to make the use of bioships possible even if someone is not telepathic - possibly Borg tech. I am certain if I scoured all 700+ episodes of Trek I could probably find something in canon that fits the bill.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
If all of this is to be believed (which I believe it is) then nothing will come of this complaint. Cryptic have already got the material ready, and as with tradition (especially lately) once we get a new enemy to fight, we get to fight them with their own tech too. Lock Boxes started getting stupid with the Elachi, and now they've just gone a whole new level of stupid. That wont change though, cause some people want these ships and it's cash on delivery for Cryptic.
People should do as I do; I don't like all these alien designs, so I just don't use them. Cryptic would make more money from me if they released a better Galaxy or a revamped star cruiser, but alas, I'm not important enough. :P
I like to think of this game much alike some films. You get films that are based upon source material. This game, to me, is based upon Star Trek. I get that it's a game, and that writers need some creativity, but Cryptic/PWE/CBS have ruined Trek lore with their decisions here.
And a counterpoint to you lore naysayers. MMORPGs been the rules when it comes to lore no matter the game or genre. The store plot revolves around your character. It's your character who saves the damsel, day, kingdom, planet, universe, etc. All of the special and unique things that happen? They happen to you.
And lastly, it's a game. Having fun. If you aren't having fun, you're going it wrong.
in STO that means, you character is this era's Kirk. You blaze through the ranks showing time ad time again that you are the right being in the right place at the time. You help evactuate and blunt the invasion at Vega Colony. Yought Ba'vat and defeat the Doomsdays machine. You get send into subspace and discover the Icons imminent invasion plans. You discover the Obelisk 1 alien carrier and even amoung Worf and Captains of the KDF and Federation flagships, they acquiesce to your commanding the Obelisk. You captain the Dyson class prototype replacing it's fallen captain. You are offers the first production model of the Dyson class (if you want it). You are given the opportunity to captain an acquired Wells Class, or captaina and learn the secrets of a Tholion Recluse carrier, etc.
The thing about MMORPGs is that you have to turn on our suspension of belief in light of all of the other player Captains running around. They can also be running around in all of the "unique" ships. Even though I talked about STO, the same thing applies to any MMORPG with PvE content.
If you are going to judge the lore of the game, do it in light of your character. That's how the lore of the game is written and envisioned. As for my personally, even though i wouldn't flying most of the non-faction ships myself. The lore they are creating around them being available to players is believable enough.
First the Undine, next up Borg Lock boxes (Lobi version probably be at 1600 for a Cube) with the box having a Sphere at reduced drop rates...Cha ching :rolleyes:
Also side note: According to a comment made in Voyager when they first encounter bio ships, the Breen also use bio ships...So with that tid bit we shouldn't have their ships as well...
First the Undine, next up Borg Lock boxes (Lobi version probably be at 1600 for a Cube) with the box having a Sphere at reduced drop rates...Cha ching :rolleyes:
Also side note: According to a comment made in Voyager when they first encounter bio ships, the Breen also use bio ships...So with that tid bit we shouldn't have their ships as well...
I'm definitely getting the 1800 lobi cube! Woohooo!
If they're placing all these ships and lock boxes, there should be a playable factions attached to it. Why create an Undine or Hirogen lock box and not have those playable characters in game? They should create factions first before introducing anything. This should've been done a long time ago.
Also the devs are focusing on the Reputation system more than anything else.
I don't have an issue with that except the focus. It's taken away from everything else.
Player focus right now is on Episodes, PVE, PVP and STF's and Dailies. Missions Under Available should go to the DOFF's, such as Exploration, Diplomatic and so on.
If they intend to revamp Exploration it should coincide with DOFF's and Reputaion.
Further more they really need to Revamp the Skills Training. I don't feel the need to go to two different people to train either myself or an officer, than also have a train tab under the Officer File card. They should have a system, similiar to a store or a classroom where you can go to a Trainer and send your officer there for an amount of time to get certified. Plus the way the skills have been set up makes no sense.
An example of this is, if you train a Tac in Scatter Volley 1 and 2 he shouldn't be trained on ship in 3. Those should be in order at the Trainer. They have enough space on these Stations to create systems to accomodate every need. It seems the Fleet Starbases are more in order than the game bases and areas.
Of course, all Lock-Box Ships are bull****. In different degrees. Weve got:
-Swarm (sorry, armada) of Hadar Attack Ships
-Cardassian Cruiser
-Ferengi Cruiser
-Tholian carrier, frigate and pets
-Temporal Wells ships, and also Mirror ships for all Lock-Boxes
-JemHadar Dreadnought and Escorts with pets
-Elachi
-Voth
-Hirogens
-And Undine soon
And special ships:
-2 Breen ships
-And Risian corvette
In my opinion the most appropriate are Temporal ships, but only because of visual difference between all factions ships.
More or less adequate is situation with Ferengi ships. But I cant understood, why they still alive, when they sold their ships and weapon to enemy, Ive got a questions to them. Their trade rules are not Galactic trade rules.
And, isnt it too much? In this time Feds have just 1 Vulcan and Andorian vessels. Even Klingons have more choice in that.
This is not the problem with canon, this is the problem of the common sense, and its going away with every new Lock-Box.:mad:
It is possible that the Undine ships are slaves to the Undine and we are just freeing them. After all, the Undine are supposed to be highly telepathic so it would be a simple matter to enslave an Undine ship. There is also the issue that organic ships can't occur naturally. They either have to be created by some race or adapted by some race through genetic engineering. The Undine and Undine ships do share a genetic signature, but humans and apes share a genetic signature as well. Personally, I would prefer it if the Undine ships followed the same method that Cryptic did with Borg ships by introducing them as Borg/Romulan Hybrid ships instead of Borg ships.
Its hard to argue that flying around in another species living ship is a bit silly... however all the previous lockbox ships are not some far fetched idea.
If you recover an enemy resourse you don't destroy it out right.
Look at human war history and you can see its logical to repurpose captured enemy assets. Yes perhaps if we had a pirate faction it would make even more sense. However having said that, after WW2 at least 50 german Uboats where folded into other countries navies. A couple sailed with Russian designations into the 1960s. The Admiral Makarov was the Command ship of the Russian 8th fleet... started its life as the German Cruiser Nurnberg. Wasn't just the USSR that reused german gear either... the USS Prinz Eugen (German Cruiser launched in 1938)
Its not like it would be crazy to think that ships the size of Trek ones would get reused. Seriously it would make very little sense to scrap something like a Galor money may not exist as we know it in the Trek future... still ships that can hold 1000 people don't come from nothing. There is no way any military of the future would scrap and scuttle every ship they capture. They would reuse some of the best examples no doubt.
Its hard to argue that flying around in another species living ship is a bit silly... however all the previous lockbox ships are not some far fetched idea.
If you recover an enemy resourse you don't destroy it out right.
Look at human war history and you can see its logical to repurpose captured enemy assets. Yes perhaps if we had a pirate faction it would make even more sense. However having said that, after WW2 at least 50 german Uboats where folded into other countries navies. A couple sailed with Russian designations into the 1960s. The Admiral Makarov was the Command ship of the Russian 8th fleet... started its life as the German Cruiser Nurnberg. Wasn't just the USSR that reused german gear either... the USS Prinz Eugen (German Cruiser launched in 1938)
Its not like it would be crazy to think that ships the size of Trek ones would get reused. Seriously it would make very little sense to scrap something like a Galor money may not exist as we know it in the Trek future... still ships that can hold 1000 people don't come from nothing. There is no way any military of the future would scrap and scuttle every ship they capture. They would reuse some of the best examples no doubt.
So how is using Undine Ships as your own any different than an army using captured War Horses for their own use?
Sure normally it make sense to reuse such ships, but with undine ships i see really one big problem, canon and also logic tells me that cannot work normally.
Undine ships are bio ships they can "die" if infectet with some sort of modified nanites and such nice things, possible this ships can get some sort of cold too ,-)
PRoblem i see is, how should federation or also Klingons vulcans or any other non undine species fly or control a bio ship that has nothing like normal ship controls or something like a normal Engine room.
All other ships, are used by "normal" species, undine are totally different, so having people fly around in some sort of bio ship coudl work if we get the undine as a full playable species and enemys to entire alpha quadrant, but it wont work if a fed or kdf captain fly around in a undine bio ship.
And the other thing is, there are toooo many differnet non fed ships around , if i enter a pve queue and there are KDF, ferengi, cardassians, borg hybrids and others , sure it would make sense to have some reused ships around but normally reused ships wont be such a high amount that 90% of alpha quadrant can fly around in such a "reused" ship ;-)
There is trek precedent as well for bio ships bonding with new species. Perhaps you should be required to have a telepathic helmsman to fly a bio ship. haha
Okay folks, we had a few threads about the same thing floating around so as such they've all been squished into one.
Please realize that while you can discuss the POSSIBILITY of an undine lockbox and what would be in it, Anyone linking to TRIBBLE client files or images from the client uncompressed will result in warnings and can lead to infractions if the CM team decide to do so.
So, speculate all you want but be aware of the above
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Thank you, they were getting a bit out of hand. But back on topic, I still think it's a bad idea.
Oh yeah probably should give my opinion lol.
Honestly don't like the possibility of 8472 ships. I just don't understand how we could use them =\
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Its hard to argue that flying around in another species living ship is a bit silly... however all the previous lockbox ships are not some far fetched idea.
If you recover an enemy resourse you don't destroy it out right.
Look at human war history and you can see its logical to repurpose captured enemy assets. Yes perhaps if we had a pirate faction it would make even more sense. However having said that, after WW2 at least 50 german Uboats where folded into other countries navies. A couple sailed with Russian designations into the 1960s. The Admiral Makarov was the Command ship of the Russian 8th fleet... started its life as the German Cruiser Nurnberg. Wasn't just the USSR that reused german gear either... the USS Prinz Eugen (German Cruiser launched in 1938)
Its not like it would be crazy to think that ships the size of Trek ones would get reused. Seriously it would make very little sense to scrap something like a Galor money may not exist as we know it in the Trek future... still ships that can hold 1000 people don't come from nothing. There is no way any military of the future would scrap and scuttle every ship they capture. They would reuse some of the best examples no doubt.
That's a fairly disingenuous statement. Considering the Prinz Eugen was used after the war as a target for atomic bomb testing, I'd hardly say that qualifies as reusing.
Its not canonnn its not cannnooon!! *whine whine where is my cheese*
Seriously, get over yourselfs. :')
You're the 1%.
Cryptic/pwe/arc only cares about where the money is coming from and where it is going to.
And rightfully so.
In other words, they look at what the other 99% wants and plays and likes to play / pay for, in terms of ships and content.
The people here on the forum whining about it not being canon, you're the minority.
These boards have but one purpose and thats to give you place to vent and give a false sense that you have a say.
Get used to it, I for one will be buying those ships the moment they are available.
I see A LOT of Nicor lovers in this thread. You should feel shamed! The idea of flying Nicor bioships is silly. For that matter, Starfleet should have a separate docking are for all non-starfleet ships. A separate-but-equal place for the Nicor and other faction ships to dock away from the superior Federation tech.
But in the end, you can't blame the Nicor for everything; we're the ones that buy this TRIBBLE.
Bio ships are organic, i think nobody really thought on what that means. They are ALIVE and they are aware of "who" they are. I dont think a bioship will be "willing" to be piloted by a starfleet captain. That in first place lol (for example, same case happened in the Vorlon ships from B5).
I really dont see a positive thing about a undine lockbox, it is just.. i cant lol.
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We're WAY beyond the point of canon because we have to think out of the box.
And a counterpoint to you lore naysayers. MMORPGs been the rules when it comes to lore no matter the game or genre. The store plot revolves around your character. It's your character who saves the damsel, day, kingdom, planet, universe, etc. All of the special and unique things that happen? They happen to you.
And lastly, it's a game. Having fun. If you aren't having fun, you're going it wrong.
in STO that means, you character is this era's Kirk. You blaze through the ranks showing time ad time again that you are the right being in the right place at the time. You help evactuate and blunt the invasion at Vega Colony. Yought Ba'vat and defeat the Doomsdays machine. You get send into subspace and discover the Icons imminent invasion plans. You discover the Obelisk 1 alien carrier and even amoung Worf and Captains of the KDF and Federation flagships, they acquiesce to your commanding the Obelisk. You captain the Dyson class prototype replacing it's fallen captain. You are offers the first production model of the Dyson class (if you want it). You are given the opportunity to captain an acquired Wells Class, or captaina and learn the secrets of a Tholion Recluse carrier, etc.
The thing about MMORPGs is that you have to turn on our suspension of belief in light of all of the other player Captains running around. They can also be running around in all of the "unique" ships. Even though I talked about STO, the same thing applies to any MMORPG with PvE content.
If you are going to judge the lore of the game, do it in light of your character. That's how the lore of the game is written and envisioned. As for my personally, even though i wouldn't flying most of the non-faction ships myself. The lore they are creating around them being available to players is believable enough.
Also side note: According to a comment made in Voyager when they first encounter bio ships, the Breen also use bio ships...So with that tid bit we shouldn't have their ships as well...
I'm definitely getting the 1800 lobi cube! Woohooo!
i will have it also cant wait for borg lockbox ship maybe a 4k lobi class 4 tactical cub?
system Lord Baal is dead
Why stop there? Give me the tac cube and the Borg boss ship from red alerts in a mega lobi pack that costs 10K lobi
Dear god can you even imagine the lag?
im sold cryptic shut up take my money!!!!!
system Lord Baal is dead
Also the devs are focusing on the Reputation system more than anything else.
I don't have an issue with that except the focus. It's taken away from everything else.
Player focus right now is on Episodes, PVE, PVP and STF's and Dailies. Missions Under Available should go to the DOFF's, such as Exploration, Diplomatic and so on.
If they intend to revamp Exploration it should coincide with DOFF's and Reputaion.
Further more they really need to Revamp the Skills Training. I don't feel the need to go to two different people to train either myself or an officer, than also have a train tab under the Officer File card. They should have a system, similiar to a store or a classroom where you can go to a Trainer and send your officer there for an amount of time to get certified. Plus the way the skills have been set up makes no sense.
An example of this is, if you train a Tac in Scatter Volley 1 and 2 he shouldn't be trained on ship in 3. Those should be in order at the Trainer. They have enough space on these Stations to create systems to accomodate every need. It seems the Fleet Starbases are more in order than the game bases and areas.
-Swarm (sorry, armada) of Hadar Attack Ships
-Cardassian Cruiser
-Ferengi Cruiser
-Tholian carrier, frigate and pets
-Temporal Wells ships, and also Mirror ships for all Lock-Boxes
-JemHadar Dreadnought and Escorts with pets
-Elachi
-Voth
-Hirogens
-And Undine soon
And special ships:
-2 Breen ships
-And Risian corvette
In my opinion the most appropriate are Temporal ships, but only because of visual difference between all factions ships.
More or less adequate is situation with Ferengi ships. But I cant understood, why they still alive, when they sold their ships and weapon to enemy, Ive got a questions to them. Their trade rules are not Galactic trade rules.
And, isnt it too much? In this time Feds have just 1 Vulcan and Andorian vessels. Even Klingons have more choice in that.
This is not the problem with canon, this is the problem of the common sense, and its going away with every new Lock-Box.:mad:
If you recover an enemy resourse you don't destroy it out right.
Look at human war history and you can see its logical to repurpose captured enemy assets. Yes perhaps if we had a pirate faction it would make even more sense. However having said that, after WW2 at least 50 german Uboats where folded into other countries navies. A couple sailed with Russian designations into the 1960s. The Admiral Makarov was the Command ship of the Russian 8th fleet... started its life as the German Cruiser Nurnberg. Wasn't just the USSR that reused german gear either... the USS Prinz Eugen (German Cruiser launched in 1938)
Its not like it would be crazy to think that ships the size of Trek ones would get reused. Seriously it would make very little sense to scrap something like a Galor money may not exist as we know it in the Trek future... still ships that can hold 1000 people don't come from nothing. There is no way any military of the future would scrap and scuttle every ship they capture. They would reuse some of the best examples no doubt.
So how is using Undine Ships as your own any different than an army using captured War Horses for their own use?
Undine ships are bio ships they can "die" if infectet with some sort of modified nanites and such nice things, possible this ships can get some sort of cold too ,-)
PRoblem i see is, how should federation or also Klingons vulcans or any other non undine species fly or control a bio ship that has nothing like normal ship controls or something like a normal Engine room.
All other ships, are used by "normal" species, undine are totally different, so having people fly around in some sort of bio ship coudl work if we get the undine as a full playable species and enemys to entire alpha quadrant, but it wont work if a fed or kdf captain fly around in a undine bio ship.
And the other thing is, there are toooo many differnet non fed ships around , if i enter a pve queue and there are KDF, ferengi, cardassians, borg hybrids and others , sure it would make sense to have some reused ships around but normally reused ships wont be such a high amount that 90% of alpha quadrant can fly around in such a "reused" ship ;-)
I guess it isn't... I'm sure at one time it was pretty standard to steal your enemies horses as well.
There is trek precedent as well for bio ships bonding with new species. Perhaps you should be required to have a telepathic helmsman to fly a bio ship.
Flying Squids Online!
Please realize that while you can discuss the POSSIBILITY of an undine lockbox and what would be in it, Anyone linking to TRIBBLE client files or images from the client uncompressed will result in warnings and can lead to infractions if the CM team decide to do so.
So, speculate all you want but be aware of the above
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Oh yeah probably should give my opinion lol.
Honestly don't like the possibility of 8472 ships. I just don't understand how we could use them =\
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Obviously we use spurs.
I really will do..
Ok probably not but you know what I mean
That's a fairly disingenuous statement. Considering the Prinz Eugen was used after the war as a target for atomic bomb testing, I'd hardly say that qualifies as reusing.
Seriously, get over yourselfs. :')
You're the 1%.
Cryptic/pwe/arc only cares about where the money is coming from and where it is going to.
And rightfully so.
In other words, they look at what the other 99% wants and plays and likes to play / pay for, in terms of ships and content.
The people here on the forum whining about it not being canon, you're the minority.
These boards have but one purpose and thats to give you place to vent and give a false sense that you have a say.
Get used to it, I for one will be buying those ships the moment they are available.
But they were all really undine boxes. You just can't tell until you open them
Also Betazoid & TinMan = Canon BioShip Piloting
But in the end, you can't blame the Nicor for everything; we're the ones that buy this TRIBBLE.
I really dont see a positive thing about a undine lockbox, it is just.. i cant lol.