You're feeling that way because it was announced the day Arc entered alpha testing that they were going to eventually disable the standalone launcher, leaving only Arc and Steam to launch the software. There is no current planned date for this, but it will happen. You can either find a way to be comfortable with this, or find another online entertainment. I hope you'll go with Steam, but it's completely up to you.
That is because your ARE being pushing into using Arc (or steam), it is soon coming to a point where you will not have a choice.
If you have a problem with it, then you are just going to have to deal with it and realize A LOT of companies with multiple MMO's are doing it. NCsoft has already done it with their own, and that one is worse than even ARC.
Even WOW (well, Battle.net) has their own for all of their games.
personally I think it is total BS that Steam and ARC get special items that lifetime subs do not. Lifetime Subs are supposed to be the most loyal players getting the best perks, but steam players get a special Steamrunner escort, and ARC players get special uniforms. Total BS. Lifetime Subs should get all the perks. If steam gets a special ship, so should a life-sub. If ARC gets a uniform so should a life-sub, regardless of how we sign in.
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and others too numerous to name...
personally I think it is total BS that Steam and ARC get special items that lifetime subs do not. Lifetime Subs are supposed to be the most loyal players getting the best perks, but steam players get a special Steamrunner escort, and ARC players get special uniforms. Total BS. Lifetime Subs should get all the perks. If steam gets a special ship, so should a life-sub. If ARC gets a uniform so should a life-sub, regardless of how we sign in.
personally I think it is total BS that Steam and ARC get special items that lifetime subs do not. Lifetime Subs are supposed to be the most loyal players getting the best perks, but steam players get a special Steamrunner escort, and ARC players get special uniforms. Total BS. Lifetime Subs should get all the perks. If steam gets a special ship, so should a life-sub. If ARC gets a uniform so should a life-sub, regardless of how we sign in.
The steamers payed for the Steamrunner Pack. You can do too. Just download Steam, start the STO Instalkation for a few moments until it has created the directories and then buy the Steamrunner Pack and you get a code you can enter in your account menu.
Are we sure there is going to be a choice between Steam and Arc? If I'm going to be forced to load Arc at some point down the road, I'd like to at least get the uniforms out of it. Otherwise, I'm sticking with Steam.
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Are we sure there is going to be a choice between Steam and Arc?
nope every one is guessing they wont make steam use it and i dont see why they would not make steam use it would not be the first steam game to do so most of my Assassin's Creed games use steam and also the ubisoft launcher so again i dont see why they would not make steam use it
For those interested, if you have an adblock plugin for your browser (I'm using Adblock Plus with Firefox) you can stop the Arc site redirect by adding global_redirect.js to the adblock filter list.
The statement has been made that Steam will remain a viable method for launching Cryptic games, even after the standalones fall. The original plan was to make it Arc or nothing, but there was, ah, a bit of blowback on that plan...
For those interested, if you have an adblock plugin for your browser (I'm using Adblock Plus with Firefox) you can stop the Arc site redirect by adding global_redirect.js to the adblock filter list.
Yep that worked, for now, at least. Doubt we'll see any further updates to the news feed though. At least it gave me the opportunity to bookmark the Tribble Character Copy page for as long as that lasts...
Thank you for the time...
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Cryptic, would you actulaly like me to spend actual Money? It's Simple:
Full, Story-driven, select from start 1-50 Klingon Side
Scrap current Lock Box & Lobi system for something more reasonable
Expand Dil and Rep/Fleet Marks to regular story content
What drugs are you smoking? Buying an LTS does not make someone a loyal customer/player. Spending money on a regular basis is what makes a player a loyal customer.
One thing or the other does in no way shape or form mean that anyone is entitled to anything more than every "freeloader" playing the game. The moment they decided to make the game free to play meant they abandoned the "customer" model. A LTS made sense back in the P2P days but nowadays you can throw as much money at PWE as you want - I'm actually not sure that's helping. Of course, it depends on what one expects from a game like this. If asia-grinding and paying ten to hundred times the amount of money to play a single "free" game is ones definition of fun and joy it's one thing...
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"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
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Ok I am a bit late to the party but I had no reason to post on this topic up to now as it did not affect me. So here we go:
Arc client:
Well I have not tried it, so I can not give feedback on that one other than: I have
- steam
- origin
- battle.net
already, necessary to access other games. I also had gamestop and that was the point I decided enough is enough. I do not want another spyware/adware-client that just is a drain on my system, thank you.
I download StarTrek online from steam (as a gamer you just can not get around them anyway) and have no inclination whatsoever to change that unless Startrek becomes unavailable at steam, at which point I will evaluate how badly I want to play STO and probably uninstall it before installing the next garbage-store (no offense to arc, I consider all stores like that garbage).
The new website:
From a design,standpoint I have to say it is sub-standard. The old page was far from perfect but compared to this unsorted pile of pictures it was stellar indeed.
It reminds me of comparing youtube to dailymotion. I may not like youtube with its last changes but it has a structure to it that dailymotion is just lacking.
I highly doubt a new player will get any useful information out of the new page before growing so frustrated he/she just leaves.
Oh and a little tip from one Engineer to another:
... "you might just want to revisit the optimization-cycle on that one" ...
it feels like me sitting with my old 56.6k modem not my current 75mbit line. nostalgia? oh definitely, but fun? ... not so much.
also currently on ie11 the page just loads the same topics over and over when scrolling down, so you should probably do another round of testing on your scripting in terms of browser compatibility too.
Verdict:
1. I hope you do not plan to make the arc-client mandatory, it likely would drive me off the game.
2. Your site needs some serious restructuring and optimization to catch up to where the old one was.
Well I am off, I will just rely on wikis and podcasts for the news for now (and probably from now on). I already have the arcsoft pages on my untrusted sites list, along with a bunch of others and will add perfectworld now for good measure. That will probably break the functionality but then again I do not have to use it toplay the game ...
i can see PWE doing it to steam like ubisoft does with their games
Yes, I can confirm, I bought, downloaded and installed Anno 2070 through Steam. When I launch the game, it opens the Ubisoft game launcher where I then have to tell it I want to play Anno 2070.
I also found, downloaded and installed Warframe through Steam (good co-op 3rd person fighting MMO game, F2P, way more grindy than STO however). When I click it in my Steam library it opens the Warframe launcher.
So, I figure, at some point in the near future, trying to open STO from Steam, will only open ARC so then you can open STO, like the above mentioned games.
Since I already have the files on the computer for STO I might try and see if Steam can automatically linke to them if I go to install in via Steam. If not I might have to install on steam, stop it downloading and copy the files into the new steam directory for it.
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personally I think it is total BS that Steam and ARC get special items that lifetime subs do not. Lifetime Subs are supposed to be the most loyal players getting the best perks, but steam players get a special Steamrunner escort, and ARC players get special uniforms. Total BS. Lifetime Subs should get all the perks. If steam gets a special ship, so should a life-sub. If ARC gets a uniform so should a life-sub, regardless of how we sign in.
seeing your post made me look at the steam website and unless im looking in the wrong place the steamrunner escort is not free, you have to buy the Steam Starter Pack for 18.99 uk pounds to get it from what I can see.
as for arc giving freebies I must remind you that arc is a beta and it is not unheard of for sto to give free stuff to get people to try out new things.
I have a lifetime sub and I did get the free stuff from arc, all I had to do was give arc a try, you don't have to use it all the time at the moment and as it is a work in progress a lot could change before it passes out of the beta stage, personally at the moment I am not overly impressed by arc but then its no worse then the old launcher from my point of view.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Many in my fleet installed ARC and quickly uninstall. some computer would crash and others the game started to crash when before it never happen to them.
Many in my fleet installed ARC and quickly uninstall. some computer would crash and others the game started to crash when before it never happen to them.
I installed it on my Laptop (Dedicated Graphics Card 4th Gen Core i7 with 12GB RAM that out performs my Desktop) and it crashes when i go to load it via ARC which is odd, every other game I play on it works perfectly.
In the last few days i have that perception.
And i dont feel confortable with that.
Think somebody wanna forceme to take a desicion i dont wanna take.
With all the repect, i dont think that be right or nice.
But, like always Cryptic have the last word and thats all.
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you can try swim against the current and hope you have not gone backwards trying the play ignorant in the process, or you may as well just accept the fact that PWE do not listen to the customers at all. i dont like many of the things they have done, but why bother waste my time complaining about it when it will never be acknowledged. you can either swim with the current and see what PWE want off you by navigating their treacherous rapids and waterfalls or you stay on the shore and get left behind where no one will notice you.
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So, I figure, at some point in the near future, trying to open STO from Steam, will only open ARC so then you can open STO, like the above mentioned games.
Currently there are no changes to Steam in the works. Our current development goal is to allow Steam users to launch STO without needing to launch the full Arc platform software. As a heads-up, it may be a while before we have more details on this, as our immediate initiatives are focused on the new version of the website and client, which do not include any changes to the relationship between Arc, the game launchers, and Steam.
This is the latest word on Steam. Subject to change, I'm sure, but that's the latest word.
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If you have a problem with it, then you are just going to have to deal with it and realize A LOT of companies with multiple MMO's are doing it. NCsoft has already done it with their own, and that one is worse than even ARC.
Even WOW (well, Battle.net) has their own for all of their games.
i can see PWE doing it to steam like ubisoft does with their games
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So far it's Steam or no more STO.
and others too numerous to name...
You do know that the Steamrunner pack isn;t free?
That Steam users have to pay for it.
The steamers payed for the Steamrunner Pack. You can do too. Just download Steam, start the STO Instalkation for a few moments until it has created the directories and then buy the Steamrunner Pack and you get a code you can enter in your account menu.
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I got it during their $9.99 sale. Kinda the same process as Arc's stuff. Installed Steam, bought the ship, uninstalled Steam. No biggie.
If the current launcher for STO goes away, I'll go back to Steam before loading Arc.
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nope every one is guessing they wont make steam use it and i dont see why they would not make steam use it would not be the first steam game to do so most of my Assassin's Creed games use steam and also the ubisoft launcher so again i dont see why they would not make steam use it
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Yep that worked, for now, at least. Doubt we'll see any further updates to the news feed though. At least it gave me the opportunity to bookmark the Tribble Character Copy page for as long as that lasts...
Thank you for the time...
Cryptic, would you actulaly like me to spend actual Money? It's Simple:
One thing or the other does in no way shape or form mean that anyone is entitled to anything more than every "freeloader" playing the game. The moment they decided to make the game free to play meant they abandoned the "customer" model. A LTS made sense back in the P2P days but nowadays you can throw as much money at PWE as you want - I'm actually not sure that's helping. Of course, it depends on what one expects from a game like this. If asia-grinding and paying ten to hundred times the amount of money to play a single "free" game is ones definition of fun and joy it's one thing...
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Arc client:
Well I have not tried it, so I can not give feedback on that one other than: I have
- steam
- origin
- battle.net
already, necessary to access other games. I also had gamestop and that was the point I decided enough is enough. I do not want another spyware/adware-client that just is a drain on my system, thank you.
I download StarTrek online from steam (as a gamer you just can not get around them anyway) and have no inclination whatsoever to change that unless Startrek becomes unavailable at steam, at which point I will evaluate how badly I want to play STO and probably uninstall it before installing the next garbage-store (no offense to arc, I consider all stores like that garbage).
The new website:
From a design,standpoint I have to say it is sub-standard. The old page was far from perfect but compared to this unsorted pile of pictures it was stellar indeed.
It reminds me of comparing youtube to dailymotion. I may not like youtube with its last changes but it has a structure to it that dailymotion is just lacking.
I highly doubt a new player will get any useful information out of the new page before growing so frustrated he/she just leaves.
Oh and a little tip from one Engineer to another:
... "you might just want to revisit the optimization-cycle on that one" ...
it feels like me sitting with my old 56.6k modem not my current 75mbit line. nostalgia? oh definitely, but fun? ... not so much.
also currently on ie11 the page just loads the same topics over and over when scrolling down, so you should probably do another round of testing on your scripting in terms of browser compatibility too.
Verdict:
1. I hope you do not plan to make the arc-client mandatory, it likely would drive me off the game.
2. Your site needs some serious restructuring and optimization to catch up to where the old one was.
Well I am off, I will just rely on wikis and podcasts for the news for now (and probably from now on). I already have the arcsoft pages on my untrusted sites list, along with a bunch of others and will add perfectworld now for good measure. That will probably break the functionality but then again I do not have to use it toplay the game ...
p.s. at least the gamepedia is intact ...
That is because gamepedia has nothing to do with Cryptic or PWE. If it had that too would enjoy the Arc-like styling of the arcgames.com.
I keep the forums bookmarked so I don't have to go through the main site.
no no no this cant be true PW would never do that.........
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It will, read on to find out how.....
Yes, I can confirm, I bought, downloaded and installed Anno 2070 through Steam. When I launch the game, it opens the Ubisoft game launcher where I then have to tell it I want to play Anno 2070.
I also found, downloaded and installed Warframe through Steam (good co-op 3rd person fighting MMO game, F2P, way more grindy than STO however). When I click it in my Steam library it opens the Warframe launcher.
So, I figure, at some point in the near future, trying to open STO from Steam, will only open ARC so then you can open STO, like the above mentioned games.
seeing your post made me look at the steam website and unless im looking in the wrong place the steamrunner escort is not free, you have to buy the Steam Starter Pack for 18.99 uk pounds to get it from what I can see.
as for arc giving freebies I must remind you that arc is a beta and it is not unheard of for sto to give free stuff to get people to try out new things.
I have a lifetime sub and I did get the free stuff from arc, all I had to do was give arc a try, you don't have to use it all the time at the moment and as it is a work in progress a lot could change before it passes out of the beta stage, personally at the moment I am not overly impressed by arc but then its no worse then the old launcher from my point of view.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=590121
Btw whats your Avatar off? Is that a Cos Play Orion?
you can try swim against the current and hope you have not gone backwards trying the play ignorant in the process, or you may as well just accept the fact that PWE do not listen to the customers at all. i dont like many of the things they have done, but why bother waste my time complaining about it when it will never be acknowledged. you can either swim with the current and see what PWE want off you by navigating their treacherous rapids and waterfalls or you stay on the shore and get left behind where no one will notice you.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
This is the latest word on Steam. Subject to change, I'm sure, but that's the latest word.