Since I already have the files on the computer for STO I might try and see if Steam can automatically linke to them if I go to install in via Steam. If not I might have to install on steam, stop it downloading and copy the files into the new steam directory for it.
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personally I think it is total BS that Steam and ARC get special items that lifetime subs do not. Lifetime Subs are supposed to be the most loyal players getting the best perks, but steam players get a special Steamrunner escort, and ARC players get special uniforms. Total BS. Lifetime Subs should get all the perks. If steam gets a special ship, so should a life-sub. If ARC gets a uniform so should a life-sub, regardless of how we sign in.
seeing your post made me look at the steam website and unless im looking in the wrong place the steamrunner escort is not free, you have to buy the Steam Starter Pack for 18.99 uk pounds to get it from what I can see.
as for arc giving freebies I must remind you that arc is a beta and it is not unheard of for sto to give free stuff to get people to try out new things.
I have a lifetime sub and I did get the free stuff from arc, all I had to do was give arc a try, you don't have to use it all the time at the moment and as it is a work in progress a lot could change before it passes out of the beta stage, personally at the moment I am not overly impressed by arc but then its no worse then the old launcher from my point of view.
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maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
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I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
Many in my fleet installed ARC and quickly uninstall. some computer would crash and others the game started to crash when before it never happen to them.
Many in my fleet installed ARC and quickly uninstall. some computer would crash and others the game started to crash when before it never happen to them.
I installed it on my Laptop (Dedicated Graphics Card 4th Gen Core i7 with 12GB RAM that out performs my Desktop) and it crashes when i go to load it via ARC which is odd, every other game I play on it works perfectly.
In the last few days i have that perception.
And i dont feel confortable with that.
Think somebody wanna forceme to take a desicion i dont wanna take.
With all the repect, i dont think that be right or nice.
But, like always Cryptic have the last word and thats all.
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you can try swim against the current and hope you have not gone backwards trying the play ignorant in the process, or you may as well just accept the fact that PWE do not listen to the customers at all. i dont like many of the things they have done, but why bother waste my time complaining about it when it will never be acknowledged. you can either swim with the current and see what PWE want off you by navigating their treacherous rapids and waterfalls or you stay on the shore and get left behind where no one will notice you.
T6 Miranda Hero Ship FTW. Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
So, I figure, at some point in the near future, trying to open STO from Steam, will only open ARC so then you can open STO, like the above mentioned games.
Currently there are no changes to Steam in the works. Our current development goal is to allow Steam users to launch STO without needing to launch the full Arc platform software. As a heads-up, it may be a while before we have more details on this, as our immediate initiatives are focused on the new version of the website and client, which do not include any changes to the relationship between Arc, the game launchers, and Steam.
This is the latest word on Steam. Subject to change, I'm sure, but that's the latest word.
...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
This is the latest word on Steam. Subject to change, I'm sure, but that's the latest word.
imo that just plane stupid all they going to do is push the ppl that dont want ARC to steam that offers way more games and mmos then PWE and cryptic combine but again MO
ps im sooo dying to see how all this going to play out
any one recall PWE saying they let cryptic run their games as they want to i could have dreamed that but i think it was said
This has to be the a troll post right? I mean really.. forced? There are options out there, be thankful most game companies do not give you options and go we added this launcher, without it you are **** out of luck.
I can't speak for PWE, but if they didn't appreciate you, they probably would have taken action. They're reading this, and they're not deleting it. I draw conclusions from that indicating they appreciate you too.
Eh... your conclusion is based upon faulty logic and an even more faulty base.
They don't need to appreciate us or not... they simply don't care, they provide us with a space where we can vent our frustration while they sit in a soundproof Room with "The Girl from Ipanema" in the background, not even having a Window or a Door to "Our Space".
And quite frankly, why should they care? Why should they appreciate us? As long as the Monthly Revenue Update is positive everything is fine.
PWE is a business not a charity, they only care about the Cash they make because that's what a business is for!
And for that matter the "Run-Through" Customers are better than "Long time Afficionados", they come in, see something shiny, buy and leave, no hassle, no barking, nothing.
Nitpicking is a time-honored tradition of science fiction. Asking your readers not to worry about the "little things" is like asking a dog not to sniff at people's crotches. If there's something that appears to violate natural laws, then you can expect someone's going to point it out. That's just the way things are.
Sheesh, I really hope that they don't press the issue with Arc that badly by making people still have to use it through Steam (which is the entire point of being able to launch STO through Steam in the first place).
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
These aren't the launchers you're looking for. Move along, move along!
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...talking to players is like being a mall Santa. Everyone immediately wants to tell you all of the things they want, and you are absolutely powerless to deliver 99% of them.
So today I went to startrekonlin.com only to get a popup that says I'm being redirected to the Arc browser.
First things first: Just click "Go Back to Perfect World Entertainment" and then find the forums there.
Then bookmark it. This avoids the Arc browser.
Second, and more importantly:
No, Cryptic and your PWE evil overlords, I do not wish to use the Arc browser. No, I WILL NOT use the Arc browser.
Third:
Sod the Arc browser. Sod the Arc launcher. When you finally force us to use it, I, a 45-year fairly rabid fan of Star Trek will leave the game and never look back.
You can probably tell that I'm getting a little more aggressive - that's because I'm really caring less and less about STO because it's just such a horribly-run game.
You've released an unpolished, unfinished disappointment on us four years ago - leaving bugs in to this day that we bugged back in Beta - and made what was already an INCREDIBLY inferior game even WORSE by adding excessive lockbox drops, adding and leaving more bugs, and given us absolutely NOTHING left once we reach VA but to grind for a bunch of garbage.
There are two things that have kept me in this game. I am a 45-year fan of Star Trek, and the people in my fleet. But they are not enough to keep me going much longer if you're going to continue to give us nothing but garbage grinding and then on top of that force your data mining browser and launcher on us.
Not just no, but HELL NO to Arc.
And when it comes that you force us to use Arc? HELL NO to any PWE game.
My opinion... I don't really care about ARC. When it's mandatory, so be it, I will launch the game from it and play as usual. I got used to Steam and Origin for other games, Arc is just another launch platform. I installed it, it could use some polish, but it does its job. If I was worried about spyware, I would just pull the plug and use my computer offline...
Note: I just wish there was an in-game browser if I was to launch the game from ARC, it would save me to tab out, which cause the game to often crash...
All games are like this. Battlenet was for Blizzard. They also had months of forum posts and replies saying they don't want it, hate it, you can't make us do it, etc. However they eventually went that way anyways. And most just accepted it and play anyways.
To me it makes sense since you can log on many of their other games. And to show what other games they offer, that some might not didn't even know. All from one launcher instead having several on your screen. I'm sure they have issues to sort out. And then they will figure out when to make it mandatory.
Granted I hadn't tried it yet, but eventually we all will have to use it or Steam, or some other form of launcher. Adapt and keep playing or move on.
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You're feeling that way because it was announced the day Arc entered alpha testing that they were going to eventually disable the standalone launcher, leaving only Arc and Steam to launch the software. There is no current planned date for this, but it will happen. You can either find a way to be comfortable with this, or find another online entertainment. I hope you'll go with Steam, but it's completely up to you.
I will say this, if I cant launch the game in tridef, I will quit.. I didn't spend all this money on 3d equipment, to not be able to play in 3d... lol..
My opinion... I don't really care about ARC. When it's mandatory, so be it, I will launch the game from it and play as usual. I got used to Steam and Origin for other games, Arc is just another launch platform. I installed it, it could use some polish, but it does its job. If I was worried about spyware, I would just pull the plug and use my computer offline...
Note: I just wish there was an in-game browser if I was to launch the game from ARC, it would save me to tab out, which cause the game to often crash...
All games are like this. Battlenet was for Blizzard. They also had months of forum posts and replies saying they don't want it, hate it, you can't make us do it, etc. However they eventually went that way anyways. And most just accepted it and play anyways.
To me it makes sense since you can log on many of their other games. And to show what other games they offer, that some might not didn't even know. All from one launcher instead having several on your screen. I'm sure they have issues to sort out. And then they will figure out when to make it mandatory.
Granted I hadn't tried it yet, but eventually we all will have to use it or Steam, or some other form of launcher. Adapt and keep playing or move on.
blizzard is a different case, blizz always had their own thing, battle.net is old, what they did was a logical next step.
also blizz bnet isn't buggy, don't even try to compare bnet and arc.
Ok other than I just simply don't want ARC at all -[ I'm quite happy with just my STO launcher, I cannot see myself playing your(PW) other games. But since everyone over there is hell bent on doing this arcgames thing....]
The biggest problem I've had so far(and I kinda b****ed about it in some other thread) was I went looking for a piece of information from a Developer Blog post from Sept 2013. Now Since PW in their infinite wisdom decided to take down the standalone ST website they put up an auto-redirect to this arcgames site. So when I go into the forums and go to the forum that has Dev Blog Posts, find the one I'm looking for(namely this onehttp://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=847721), click on cornflakes hyperlink in his OP my browser takes me back to the now closed STO website.
You see the problem? I was simply trying to dig out some information from way back when and its just a redirect loop. Very frustrating when I have to spend 20 real time minute trying to dig out something that should've taken 5 minutes tops. I hope this was helpful and clear.
I 'prolly wouldn't mind arcgames so much except information is now locked up and you have about 8 seconds to find what you are looking for - fortunately y'all didn't disable the scroll commands.
In any case all this arcstuff is just going to push me into Steam.
All games are like this. Battlenet was for Blizzard. They also had months of forum posts and replies saying they don't want it, hate it, you can't make us do it, etc. However they eventually went that way anyways. And most just accepted it and play anyways.
To me it makes sense since you can log on many of their other games. And to show what other games they offer, that some might not didn't even know. All from one launcher instead having several on your screen. I'm sure they have issues to sort out. And then they will figure out when to make it mandatory.
Granted I hadn't tried it yet, but eventually we all will have to use it or Steam, or some other form of launcher. Adapt and keep playing or move on.
thanks god a voice of reason ...stop your whining people jesus you act lk eyou have never encounterd buggy software before and they did say it was beta ..so suck it up bend over or quit playing ....i think you will survive ....the freaking sun will still come up tomorrow
Turn away from the Arc darkside. Use the Steam force.
That would be the dARC side
personally I think it is total BS that Steam and ARC get special items that lifetime subs do not. Lifetime Subs are supposed to be the most loyal players getting the best perks, but steam players get a special Steamrunner escort, and ARC players get special uniforms. Total BS. Lifetime Subs should get all the perks. If steam gets a special ship, so should a life-sub. If ARC gets a uniform so should a life-sub, regardless of how we sign in.
No. Lifetime subs get lifetime access. They shouldn't get any more than that.
The statement has been made that Steam will remain a viable method for launching Cryptic games, even after the standalones fall. The original plan was to make it Arc or nothing, but there was, ah, a bit of blowback on that plan...
Yes, blowback. Steam would have banned STO, if not taken legal action against PWE for violating its tos regarding third party launchers
This is the latest word on Steam. Subject to change, I'm sure, but that's the latest word.
Its not subject to change, because steam won't allow it. its in the tos
you can try swim against the current and hope you have not gone backwards trying the play ignorant in the process, or you may as well just accept the fact that PWE do not listen to the customers at all. i dont like many of the things they have done, but why bother waste my time complaining about it when it will never be acknowledged. you can either swim with the current and see what PWE want off you by navigating their treacherous rapids and waterfalls or you stay on the shore and get left behind where no one will notice you.
Companies that don't listen to their customers eventually lose their customers. Good customer relations is business 101
You can also install it off the retail disk and just use the STO launcher.
Not after they switch over to arc
What bugs? I have yet to have ANY bugs, or issues with Arc. Arc DOES take up a bit of memory, but it IS still in beta.
If you haven't seen how buggy it is you haven't been using it
thanks god a voice of reason ...stop your whining people jesus you act lk eyou have never encounterd buggy software before and they did say it was beta ..so suck it up bend over or quit playing ....i think you will survive ....the freaking sun will still come up tomorrow
The only one whining is you. You're trying to claim that someone claiming that 'all games are like this' is the voice of reason? All games are not like this. That is a blatant lie. When the first thing he said is a lie, nothing else he says is of any value. You are belittling others and making excuses for people doing unacceptable things.
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seeing your post made me look at the steam website and unless im looking in the wrong place the steamrunner escort is not free, you have to buy the Steam Starter Pack for 18.99 uk pounds to get it from what I can see.
as for arc giving freebies I must remind you that arc is a beta and it is not unheard of for sto to give free stuff to get people to try out new things.
I have a lifetime sub and I did get the free stuff from arc, all I had to do was give arc a try, you don't have to use it all the time at the moment and as it is a work in progress a lot could change before it passes out of the beta stage, personally at the moment I am not overly impressed by arc but then its no worse then the old launcher from my point of view.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=590121
Btw whats your Avatar off? Is that a Cos Play Orion?
you can try swim against the current and hope you have not gone backwards trying the play ignorant in the process, or you may as well just accept the fact that PWE do not listen to the customers at all. i dont like many of the things they have done, but why bother waste my time complaining about it when it will never be acknowledged. you can either swim with the current and see what PWE want off you by navigating their treacherous rapids and waterfalls or you stay on the shore and get left behind where no one will notice you.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
This is the latest word on Steam. Subject to change, I'm sure, but that's the latest word.
imo that just plane stupid all they going to do is push the ppl that dont want ARC to steam that offers way more games and mmos then PWE and cryptic combine but again MO
ps im sooo dying to see how all this going to play out
any one recall PWE saying they let cryptic run their games as they want to i could have dreamed that but i think it was said
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Eh... your conclusion is based upon faulty logic and an even more faulty base.
They don't need to appreciate us or not... they simply don't care, they provide us with a space where we can vent our frustration while they sit in a soundproof Room with "The Girl from Ipanema" in the background, not even having a Window or a Door to "Our Space".
And quite frankly, why should they care? Why should they appreciate us? As long as the Monthly Revenue Update is positive everything is fine.
PWE is a business not a charity, they only care about the Cash they make because that's what a business is for!
And for that matter the "Run-Through" Customers are better than "Long time Afficionados", they come in, see something shiny, buy and leave, no hassle, no barking, nothing.
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Good for you. The point is, that won't be an option soon enough.
First things first: Just click "Go Back to Perfect World Entertainment" and then find the forums there.
Then bookmark it. This avoids the Arc browser.
Second, and more importantly:
No, Cryptic and your PWE evil overlords, I do not wish to use the Arc browser. No, I WILL NOT use the Arc browser.
Third:
Sod the Arc browser. Sod the Arc launcher. When you finally force us to use it, I, a 45-year fairly rabid fan of Star Trek will leave the game and never look back.
You can probably tell that I'm getting a little more aggressive - that's because I'm really caring less and less about STO because it's just such a horribly-run game.
You've released an unpolished, unfinished disappointment on us four years ago - leaving bugs in to this day that we bugged back in Beta - and made what was already an INCREDIBLY inferior game even WORSE by adding excessive lockbox drops, adding and leaving more bugs, and given us absolutely NOTHING left once we reach VA but to grind for a bunch of garbage.
There are two things that have kept me in this game. I am a 45-year fan of Star Trek, and the people in my fleet. But they are not enough to keep me going much longer if you're going to continue to give us nothing but garbage grinding and then on top of that force your data mining browser and launcher on us.
Not just no, but HELL NO to Arc.
And when it comes that you force us to use Arc? HELL NO to any PWE game.
is not like its a secret that you can just install it with steam and run the launcher without steam even being open.
i just hope they don't force that buggy arc on us.
i can't even check the news on STO arc website, its all buggy, no images show up at the best case scenario, in the worst, nothing does.
You can also install it off the retail disk and just use the STO launcher.
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Luke Tightwalker: No, it can't be. I will use my installation disks to defeat the empire.
Arc Vader: I am your father Luke.
Luke Tightwalker: Impossible, you killed Steam my father.
Arc Vader: Search your feelings Luke.
Luke Tightwalker: No it can't be.
Arc Vader: Join with me Luke, and together we can rule the gaming internetz. As father and son.
Luke Tightwalker: Nooo!
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Note: I just wish there was an in-game browser if I was to launch the game from ARC, it would save me to tab out, which cause the game to often crash...
To me it makes sense since you can log on many of their other games. And to show what other games they offer, that some might not didn't even know. All from one launcher instead having several on your screen. I'm sure they have issues to sort out. And then they will figure out when to make it mandatory.
Granted I hadn't tried it yet, but eventually we all will have to use it or Steam, or some other form of launcher. Adapt and keep playing or move on.
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I will say this, if I cant launch the game in tridef, I will quit.. I didn't spend all this money on 3d equipment, to not be able to play in 3d... lol..
oh, you will care, because arc is buggy as hell.
blizzard is a different case, blizz always had their own thing, battle.net is old, what they did was a logical next step.
also blizz bnet isn't buggy, don't even try to compare bnet and arc.
What bugs? I have yet to have ANY bugs, or issues with Arc. Arc DOES take up a bit of memory, but it IS still in beta.
The biggest problem I've had so far(and I kinda b****ed about it in some other thread) was I went looking for a piece of information from a Developer Blog post from Sept 2013. Now Since PW in their infinite wisdom decided to take down the standalone ST website they put up an auto-redirect to this arcgames site. So when I go into the forums and go to the forum that has Dev Blog Posts, find the one I'm looking for(namely this onehttp://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=847721), click on cornflakes hyperlink in his OP my browser takes me back to the now closed STO website.
You see the problem? I was simply trying to dig out some information from way back when and its just a redirect loop. Very frustrating when I have to spend 20 real time minute trying to dig out something that should've taken 5 minutes tops. I hope this was helpful and clear.
I 'prolly wouldn't mind arcgames so much except information is now locked up and you have about 8 seconds to find what you are looking for - fortunately y'all didn't disable the scroll commands.
In any case all this arcstuff is just going to push me into Steam.
Some really great ideas in your posting!
I absolutely support this kind of feedback.
Your designs help the web site feel like an actual Star Trek game again and incorporate the much needed Server Status bar.
Also, I really like the way the tiles aren't squashed together so tightly like they are now. The content actually has some room to breathe.
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thanks god a voice of reason ...stop your whining people jesus you act lk eyou have never encounterd buggy software before and they did say it was beta ..so suck it up bend over or quit playing ....i think you will survive ....the freaking sun will still come up tomorrow
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That would be the dARC side
No. Lifetime subs get lifetime access. They shouldn't get any more than that.
Yes, blowback. Steam would have banned STO, if not taken legal action against PWE for violating its tos regarding third party launchers
Its not subject to change, because steam won't allow it. its in the tos
Companies that don't listen to their customers eventually lose their customers. Good customer relations is business 101
Not after they switch over to arc
If you haven't seen how buggy it is you haven't been using it
The only one whining is you. You're trying to claim that someone claiming that 'all games are like this' is the voice of reason? All games are not like this. That is a blatant lie. When the first thing he said is a lie, nothing else he says is of any value. You are belittling others and making excuses for people doing unacceptable things.