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KDF needs more counters to stealth
marc8219
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Ionized gas sensor almost never works, this needs to be fixed already. The KDF is sorely lacking in counters to cloak compared to the Federation and its 2 Nebula consoles and better sci ships. The torpedos needs more range and needs to detect and home in on cloaked targets further out I think.
Also the KDF needs another better anti stealth console, something that helps in passive detection or scanning for cloakers. Maybe a new low level ship could be released in the z-store with a anti cloak console, or we could do another cross faction console box and give something the feds don't have yet like magnometric generator or something besides aceton assimilator because the Feds already got to many good consoles from us and we get junk in return.
Also the KDF needs another better anti stealth console, something that helps in passive detection or scanning for cloakers. Maybe a new low level ship could be released in the z-store with a anti cloak console, or we could do another cross faction console box and give something the feds don't have yet like magnometric generator or something besides aceton assimilator because the Feds already got to many good consoles from us and we get junk in return.
Tala -KDF Tac- House of Beautiful Orions
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There are skills that though unintended will detect stealthed ships. Pets, Aceton assimilator, a specced grav well will pull ships from cloak, as will Tykens.
Tykens only pulls normally cloaked stuff out of cloak. The problem right now is the Fed roms having a pretty easy time, because of the KDF's lack of Stealth Detection. I mean, Fed Roms with the TDF and EptA will see BoPs at a 15k range (which makes for a rather annoying Sci T'varo), while us poor Klinks are still in the dark.
Well it wasn't across the board when they made the consoles that come with the 2 Nebula class ships in the z-store and the KDF not having any comparable consoles that boost stealth detection. Federation has all the stealth detection they need with those consoles, KDF doesn't.
Also grav well only pulls ships from cloak if you have something to target in the first place, Tykens only pulls ships from cloak if its standard cloak because it triggers red alert, it does nothing to Romulans with battle cloak, and they are the reason for this thread, Fed cloakers aren't a problem really.
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No no, I think everyone is saying to give the KDF a variant(s) of the console(s) the FED has already, so no that wouldn't happen.
And we would give them something like...Space Shield.
R.I.P
They can't find it cuz...it's cloaked.:D
I really hope the irony, and depth of double standards in your post are not lost on you.
Roll a KDF rommie or Reman.
My apologies to the OP and dear Julius. To anyone who didn't know, I am the target of OP's nerf cry and the raison d'etre of this thread.
You see, it isn't just the BoP who are at risk, all battlecloaking KDF-Romulans especially are very vulnerable when their cloak "malfunctioned". However, one has to ask why these brave KDF "warriors" didn't spec in Starship Stealth? :rolleyes:
I mean, these people have the audacity to come complain about a console when everyone knows the most OP toy in this game is Aceton Assimilator? It can be deployed every 45, multiple copies can be spammed from one ship. It kills all mines and almost all targetable projectiles immediately and it deals stupidly high amount of radiation dmg on any ship near it when being fired upon with energy weapons even if the said ship just passes by.
You know, the funny thing is we were told just before the release of LoR that Feds will not know how to use cloak effectively and that KDF know all the anti-cloak tactics out there. Fast forward not even a year later, you can see all these superior KDF PvPers crying in this thread about Feds cloaking and detecting them. The irony is hilarious...
I hate grav well!!! :mad:
Then again, if I accidentally ran into one, I just speed away.
Question: Ever actually tried to spec into (the rather expensive) skill of Starship Stealth? Doesn't do a whole lot for you in the end. Ultimatum made a thread on that awhile back, and I'm gonna presume nothing has changed since then.
Active detection makes it stop working at close range, as it should.
:rolleyes:
- Photonic Displacement
- Phaser (Disruptor) Point Defense System
- Impulse Capacitance
- Nadeon Detonator (PSW Torpedo)
- Antimatter Spread
All of the above are from C-Store Zen ships for Fed but in cheapo reward packs for Klinks that are very commonly used by Klinks.
You dare to call these "garbage console"!? Gotta show how out of touch some Klinks are as they feel entitled and cry about everything even though they are the ones with most of the OP toys to begin with.
Nothing has changed, it is still awful and a terrible investment.
The stealth skill is atrocious, it will not hide you from a dedicated snooper build and a dedicated snooper build can spot you from far away.
Feel free to click the link in my sig, and compare the value of Starship Stealth vs. the value of Starship Sensors (a skill that I even take on my visible Tac/Escorts).
So the true intention of this thread you started finally came out : http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1003651
Not a surprise really. The hillarious part is that several KDF starting threads after threads, complaining about cloaking Feds when we were told months ago Feds wouldn't know how to use cloak effectively.
My fleet runs several, let me know if you want to come test out any stealth vs. perception theories.
You can get a Fed Battlecloak via the Voth 3 piece set bonus after you spend a lot of $$$.
Given the extent of BFAW infestation, the only fair trade, if there will ever be one is to hand AA to the Feds. Nothing else will suffice.
I said spec into Stealth and nothing else. Both you and Ultimatum assumed what I said was rep tree, I am not going to say anything more.
He also said spec into starship stealth and neither of us said anything about the rep tree.
Do you remember a time when Romulans were virtually undetectable? I do. I gave out too many hints already.
Well, if that's all the snooper does, sure. I can think of a lot ways to make these Klinks cry even louder even though I don't use any Starship Sensor Probes consoles or for that matter, attempt to max out of my SDR. You see, the problem is, most of us don't have the luxury of receiving free welfare from the so called "team mates". And there is a reason why Pandas never bother show up in Kerrat to defend the Federation, despite all their grandiose claims of superior teamwork. Kerrat is infested with several nasty Klink premades, just to name a few : HOBO, ISC, Nerds or Prey, House of Snoo and etc. On the Fed side, Nova Core, 1st Alpha Quandrant and few German fleets sometimes show up to help protect the farmers, most of the times, they are not there. Where are the superior Panda? MIA It's nice your team have some dedicated snoopers though a "dedicated snoopr" who can't stand his own ground is useless in Kerrat. Unlike Arena where teams are usually evenly matched. In Kerrat, you have to deal with sometimes up to 10 Klinks vs 1 or 2 Fed ships, many of these Klinks will be cloaked and ready to jump on you. You only have a few seconds of window opportunity - fire, kill then run away before getting swarmed, not to mention all those KDF cheesy pets like Elite Interceptors, Power Siphon Drones flying all over the place. I love to see how your Panda team handles Kerrat for once, actually making good on your claim. You see, not all battles can be fought on even ground. Arena assumes teams are almost always even matched number wise but that's not the reality. Most battles don't have even numbers, maybe you ought to try it.
You must have missed the word "expensive" which gave it away. Try read slowly next time.