Just got out of a few PvP matches and I love this ship. Sure it looks like a duck but it's freaking awesome.
My build I'm using is:
TT1, CRF1, APO
TT1
BFAW1, CSV1
EPtE1, EPtS2, AtSIF2, RSP3
HE1, TSS1
3 damage control doffs
2 beam arrays and 3 DHCs up front
3 beam arrays in the back
There's something refreshing about CSV and FAW at the same time
It's not much of a alpha striker but it's a great pressure build. I'm using the omega deflector and engines with fleet for maco shields.
The torpedo is nice but the chronoton one seems to pass it's target a lot. I can see the tachyon version used with tachyon mines being really powerful. Each torpedo does -15% shield res and you shoot 2 of them. The debuffs stack. They can be shot down and it's pretty obviously they're flying after you because of the beams they shoot out.
Just like DDIS, I wish there was a KDF version of this. Oh the things I could do if the KDF had a similar ship
If you're using your Regent build for a DHC version on the Battlecruiser, does this make the Assault Cruiser obsolete?
What is the AC "best" at now? I guess it may be able to tank better with the Attract Fire & +DmgRes command, but it can't support as well as the Star Cruiser types.
If you're using your Regent build for a DHC version on the Battlecruiser, does this make the Assault Cruiser obsolete?
What is the AC "best" at now? I guess it may be able to tank better with the Attract Fire & +DmgRes command, but it can't support as well as the Star Cruiser types.
nothing. its as good of a beam boat i guess, in pve. in pvp the extra turn rate will help broad siding
well i thought maybe this would have been the first. or something... to help differ "battle cruisers" from super large escorts or something...
ah well... guess they just got lazy and didnt include it in the list.
I have always found all of Cryptics Tooltips to be very well done. Very clear and honest in there presentation. :P
Cool that the feds have a more "Klingon" style battle cruiser instead of a cruiser cruiser... have to say though one more reason to never play a klingon.
3 Months from now the "raider" style escort. Fed bop baby Complete with phasing cloak uni stations and more hull and shields then the varo or brel.... you KNOW its coming.
"The Watchman Class Escort Raider design aims to provide a modular escort that is more versatile than Starfleet's existing escorts, carrying a devastating amount of firepower. However, it does sacrifice a measure of hull strength for this extra versatility. There is nothing subtle about this starship class. The Watchman's aggressive silhouette and available firepower makes it a formidable and intimidating presence in any battle."
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
It's a wonderful idea...are you reading, Cryptic?:D
And when the KDF is finally pushed from STO whom will you feds have to gloat and exclaim your new toys over but each other? Will you turn upon each other like a pack of wild beasts to prove your superiority? For what reason other than self gratification will you even have to buy the next power creep designed toy? Where will the mighty federation be when its only yourselves to play with and only yourselves to admire and bask in your own glory? Upon whom will you impress your magnificence?
And when the KDF is finally pushed from STO whom will you feds have to gloat and exclaim your new toys over but each other? Will you turn upon each other like a pack of wild beasts to prove your superiority? For what reason other than self gratification will you even have to buy the next power creep designed toy? Where will the mighty federation be when its only yourselves to play with and only yourselves to admire and bask in your own glory? Upon whom will you impress your magnificence?
There hasn't been any FvK for 3 years now. I think we already passed that point awhile ago.
The only reason to have a klink any more is to annoy annoying people in kerrat.
Otherwise it really doesn't matter... you can bring either to a challange match.... doesn't make any difference which faction your in to get into a TD match. Only reason to role a klink is so you can spend more EC on anything you may need.
And when the KDF is finally pushed from STO whom will you feds have to gloat and exclaim your new toys over but each other? Will you turn upon each other like a pack of wild beasts to prove your superiority? For what reason other than self gratification will you even have to buy the next power creep designed toy? Where will the mighty federation be when its only yourselves to play with and only yourselves to admire and bask in your own glory? Upon whom will you impress your magnificence?
It's the same with you, basically. Without the Feds you couldn't be all underdog and melodramatically declare a playerbase to be striving for ultimate superiority. You guys really need the evil Federation, right?
Ehi...remember you evuls are the bad guys...and the good guys, we the Feds, must always win!:P
One day the Federation will become the Borg. They will spread throughout the Universe like a plague. A heroic group of Borg tried to travel back through time to destroy the Evil Federation before they could become the Borg. They were thwarted by the devious machinations of the Federation - completely underestimating the depraved depths some of Starfleet's Captains would go. Other Borg followed that heroic group back in time...with less than heroic plans in mind...
...only certain members of the Klingon Empire realize the true Evil, the true Threat, the true Darkness that awaits the Universe if the Federation is not defeated.
One day the Federation will become the Borg. They will spread throughout the Universe like a plague. A heroic group of Borg tried to travel back through time to destroy the Evil Federation before they could become the Borg. They were thwarted by the devious machinations of the Federation - completely underestimating the depraved depths some of Starfleet's Captains would go. Other Borg followed that heroic group back in time...with less than heroic plans in mind...
...only certain members of the Klingon Empire realize the true Evil, the true Threat, the true Darkness that awaits the Universe if the Federation is not defeated.
the federation must want to give the entire universe obama care :eek:
It's the same with you, basically. Without the Feds you couldn't be all underdog and melodramatically declare a playerbase to be striving for ultimate superiority. You guys really need the evil Federation, right?
Hardly. If Cryptic had given the KDF any semblence of a complete story within STO, not taken our identity slowly and over all ignored us as a part of the game I would happily play my little bit of STO without ever bothering with the feds.
But we didnt get that at all. I have never looked to gauge the KDF against the feds and have always just wanted our on piece of fandom fleshed out to be fun for those KDF fans of the IP.
Fed aproval was never a part of it.
As it should never be. But the two sides shape each other. They are antagonists in this overall storyline. Considering that this war has been going on for nearly 4 years in real time, some time should have actually past in the universe aswell. And if this state of war leads to a paradigm shift in the way Federation engineers view the purpose of their ships and can simply even the battlefield by deploying ships to counter those the enemy possesses, why not?
I agree, that the klingons should have been given a new ship in return and this ship shouldn't have been pushed back to next year, but the simple fact is ... they make more money fed-side.
I as a federation fan also don't like the bastardization of some ships and certainly not the inclusion of so many alien chassis into the fleet, but from a mechanical standpoint (meaning from the overall fun of playing those ships), i couldn't care less, because it gives me a reason to try out different ships and tactics.
If you personally are so invested into klingon lore and whatnot, a MMO might not be the right place to act out those interest. At least not through simple ingame mechanics. The best chance one would get are Foundry missions and those are of vastly varying quality.
As it should never be. But the two sides shape each other.
Not a whole lot of shaping going on our side of the potters wheel to be honest. Cryptic may need to hire the spirit of Patrick Swazye to give us some proper love.....
As it should never be. But the two sides shape each other. They are antagonists in this overall storyline. Considering that this war has been going on for nearly 4 years in real time, some time should have actually past in the universe aswell. And if this state of war leads to a paradigm shift in the way Federation engineers view the purpose of their ships and can simply even the battlefield by deploying ships to counter those the enemy possesses, why not?
I agree, that the klingons should have been given a new ship in return and this ship shouldn't have been pushed back to next year, but the simple fact is ... they make more money fed-side.
I as a federation fan also don't like the bastardization of some ships and certainly not the inclusion of so many alien chassis into the fleet, but from a mechanical standpoint (meaning from the overall fun of playing those ships), i couldn't care less, because it gives me a reason to try out different ships and tactics.
If you personally are so invested into klingon lore and whatnot, a MMO might not be the right place to act out those interest. At least not through simple ingame mechanics. The best chance one would get are Foundry missions and those are of vastly varying quality.
of course fed-side makes more money, because they have stuff to buy. Apparently they forgot that players who like playing kdf have wallets too :eek: and maybe if thy released some stuff to customize our characters more they might even grow the kdf population which would mean even more income. Crazy concept I know.
Spare me your sarcasm. Everything you said is pure speculation. Aparently they did provide a ship some time ago, but it failed to break even, compared to it's developement cost.
No, the only way to incentivise people to play the KDF would have to be, to give them a big edge in the game. Just like the Romluans got it now. One might think that only hardcore Star Trek fans play the game, but since the launch of F2P this just isn't true anymore. Considering this, the only incentive the Devs can provide are giving people a game-mechanical incentive. Make them OP. This would maybe reduce the lopsidedness of the current player distribution.
Other than that, before LoR the the Klingons actually had an edge over the Federation. More offensive oriented ships (which are a lot better for PvE content - which is the first thing you'll be doing entering the game and makes endgame that much easier). Better universal consoles. Inbuild cloaks on nearly all ships.
Still the current player distribution basically stayed the same over the past few years. It is just now, after so many lockboxes (which did provide most of the consoles unique to the KDF) and the introduction of the Romulans as a playable faction, it's slowly starting to shift even more in favor of the fed-side, because the mechanical lines have been blurred even more between the two factions.
Want some nice Federation C-Store ships, play the Federation. Want battlecloaks on all your ships? Play a Federation Romulan. Consoles can be easily aquired from the exchange, no problem at all.
To summarize. If you want to make the KDF player base bigger, faster - make the KDF OP.
If you just want to make them equal to the other side (story- and contentwise), prepare for a slow creep in numbers and still more moaning from the KDF side, because progess isn't fast enough ...
Devs tried that long ago. Gave the Klingons unique things like...their various consoles that used to be only theirs, they had carriers that used to only be theirs, battle cloak which used to only be theres, universal console slots that used to be theirs, they had the first 5 tac-console ship before anyone else, and so on.
Giving them more things that are 'OP' will just result in what happened in the past:
Fed crying.
Period.
It happened. And when they did, KDF stuff was either nerfed, or given to the Feds either directly or indirectly, sometimes both.
For some examples, carriers Feds cried about for a LOOONG time. They used all their 'reasons' for wanting it, but it was crying, pure and simple, so eventually Cryptic caved in and gave them the Atrox, followed by the HEC.
Then all the consoles that used to be unique. Plasmonic leech has been a big one for a long time before it was given to the Feds. There were many a thread on that little bugger.
There are still people who ache so much for the Defiant to have an integrated battle cloak, and while I can understand that more since LoR has hit, they also don't wanna pay anything for it.
Universal BOFF slots used to be for BoPs only, and acted as a primary selling point due to having a totally customizable layout, the ultimate jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none. It also paid for it's advantages, namely BC and a full uni set up with one less BOFF slot, and considerably lower hull and shields compared to any other ship in the game.
Klingons had the first 5 tac console ship. The Tac Bortas. Yes it's been brought up a ton in this very thread a bunch, but it is true.
So no thank you. History repeats itself, and if Cryptic does that, all I suspect will happen is more crying, followed by nerfs and/or giving to the Feds irregardless.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Then there simply isn't a reason to play KDF, if you're not actually a fan of the faction in a RP sense.
And btw. feds crying shouldn't stop anyone from implementing this anyway. Someone has to "loose" something, even if it is only perceived loss.
Since the KDF has apperently been fleshed out (lvl 1 to 20 missions) a bit more, giving them a slight edge now would still make sense.
In the end nobody proposed anything that would help. Everyone just wishes there would be more KDF players and blames crpytic for various reasons that this isn't the case right now. Or maybe it's just this forum ... who knows.
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My build I'm using is:
TT1, CRF1, APO
TT1
BFAW1, CSV1
EPtE1, EPtS2, AtSIF2, RSP3
HE1, TSS1
3 damage control doffs
2 beam arrays and 3 DHCs up front
3 beam arrays in the back
There's something refreshing about CSV and FAW at the same time
It's not much of a alpha striker but it's a great pressure build. I'm using the omega deflector and engines with fleet for maco shields.
The torpedo is nice but the chronoton one seems to pass it's target a lot. I can see the tachyon version used with tachyon mines being really powerful. Each torpedo does -15% shield res and you shoot 2 of them. The debuffs stack. They can be shot down and it's pretty obviously they're flying after you because of the beams they shoot out.
Just like DDIS, I wish there was a KDF version of this. Oh the things I could do if the KDF had a similar ship
What is the AC "best" at now? I guess it may be able to tank better with the Attract Fire & +DmgRes command, but it can't support as well as the Star Cruiser types.
nothing. its as good of a beam boat i guess, in pve. in pvp the extra turn rate will help broad siding
but in the stats for the ship it says it can equip dual cannons.
dos this include dual heavy cannons as well?
i seem to remember ships that could use those had it listed in addition to the regular dual cannons....
Do you even Science Bro?
ya DHC are fine... I didn't know there where any ships that could equip DC but not DHC.
well i thought maybe this would have been the first. or something... to help differ "battle cruisers" from super large escorts or something...
ah well... guess they just got lazy and didnt include it in the list.
Do you even Science Bro?
I have always found all of Cryptics Tooltips to be very well done. Very clear and honest in there presentation. :P
Cool that the feds have a more "Klingon" style battle cruiser instead of a cruiser cruiser... have to say though one more reason to never play a klingon.
3 Months from now the "raider" style escort. Fed bop baby Complete with phasing cloak uni stations and more hull and shields then the varo or brel.... you KNOW its coming.
"The Watchman Class Escort Raider design aims to provide a modular escort that is more versatile than Starfleet's existing escorts, carrying a devastating amount of firepower. However, it does sacrifice a measure of hull strength for this extra versatility. There is nothing subtle about this starship class. The Watchman's aggressive silhouette and available firepower makes it a formidable and intimidating presence in any battle."
Stop.
Giving.
Them.
Ideas!
*smacks with newspaper* :P
You think the Watchman class flowing up the Avenger class will be bad....
Wait till you see the new sci ship coming after the watchman; the Super friend class.
*doesn't reply, just continues to smack with newspaper*
And when the KDF is finally pushed from STO whom will you feds have to gloat and exclaim your new toys over but each other? Will you turn upon each other like a pack of wild beasts to prove your superiority? For what reason other than self gratification will you even have to buy the next power creep designed toy? Where will the mighty federation be when its only yourselves to play with and only yourselves to admire and bask in your own glory? Upon whom will you impress your magnificence?
R.I.P
There hasn't been any FvK for 3 years now. I think we already passed that point awhile ago.
The only reason to have a klink any more is to annoy annoying people in kerrat.
Otherwise it really doesn't matter... you can bring either to a challange match.... doesn't make any difference which faction your in to get into a TD match. Only reason to role a klink is so you can spend more EC on anything you may need.
It's the same with you, basically. Without the Feds you couldn't be all underdog and melodramatically declare a playerbase to be striving for ultimate superiority. You guys really need the evil Federation, right?
One day the Federation will become the Borg. They will spread throughout the Universe like a plague. A heroic group of Borg tried to travel back through time to destroy the Evil Federation before they could become the Borg. They were thwarted by the devious machinations of the Federation - completely underestimating the depraved depths some of Starfleet's Captains would go. Other Borg followed that heroic group back in time...with less than heroic plans in mind...
...only certain members of the Klingon Empire realize the true Evil, the true Threat, the true Darkness that awaits the Universe if the Federation is not defeated.
the federation must want to give the entire universe obama care :eek:
Hardly. If Cryptic had given the KDF any semblence of a complete story within STO, not taken our identity slowly and over all ignored us as a part of the game I would happily play my little bit of STO without ever bothering with the feds.
But we didnt get that at all. I have never looked to gauge the KDF against the feds and have always just wanted our on piece of fandom fleshed out to be fun for those KDF fans of the IP.
Fed aproval was never a part of it.
R.I.P
As it should never be. But the two sides shape each other. They are antagonists in this overall storyline. Considering that this war has been going on for nearly 4 years in real time, some time should have actually past in the universe aswell. And if this state of war leads to a paradigm shift in the way Federation engineers view the purpose of their ships and can simply even the battlefield by deploying ships to counter those the enemy possesses, why not?
I agree, that the klingons should have been given a new ship in return and this ship shouldn't have been pushed back to next year, but the simple fact is ... they make more money fed-side.
I as a federation fan also don't like the bastardization of some ships and certainly not the inclusion of so many alien chassis into the fleet, but from a mechanical standpoint (meaning from the overall fun of playing those ships), i couldn't care less, because it gives me a reason to try out different ships and tactics.
If you personally are so invested into klingon lore and whatnot, a MMO might not be the right place to act out those interest. At least not through simple ingame mechanics. The best chance one would get are Foundry missions and those are of vastly varying quality.
R.I.P
Yes. You all purchase it very well.:P
R.I.P
of course fed-side makes more money, because they have stuff to buy. Apparently they forgot that players who like playing kdf have wallets too :eek: and maybe if thy released some stuff to customize our characters more they might even grow the kdf population which would mean even more income. Crazy concept I know.
Spare me your sarcasm. Everything you said is pure speculation. Aparently they did provide a ship some time ago, but it failed to break even, compared to it's developement cost.
No, the only way to incentivise people to play the KDF would have to be, to give them a big edge in the game. Just like the Romluans got it now. One might think that only hardcore Star Trek fans play the game, but since the launch of F2P this just isn't true anymore. Considering this, the only incentive the Devs can provide are giving people a game-mechanical incentive. Make them OP. This would maybe reduce the lopsidedness of the current player distribution.
Other than that, before LoR the the Klingons actually had an edge over the Federation. More offensive oriented ships (which are a lot better for PvE content - which is the first thing you'll be doing entering the game and makes endgame that much easier). Better universal consoles. Inbuild cloaks on nearly all ships.
Still the current player distribution basically stayed the same over the past few years. It is just now, after so many lockboxes (which did provide most of the consoles unique to the KDF) and the introduction of the Romulans as a playable faction, it's slowly starting to shift even more in favor of the fed-side, because the mechanical lines have been blurred even more between the two factions.
Want some nice Federation C-Store ships, play the Federation. Want battlecloaks on all your ships? Play a Federation Romulan. Consoles can be easily aquired from the exchange, no problem at all.
To summarize. If you want to make the KDF player base bigger, faster - make the KDF OP.
If you just want to make them equal to the other side (story- and contentwise), prepare for a slow creep in numbers and still more moaning from the KDF side, because progess isn't fast enough ...
Devs tried that long ago. Gave the Klingons unique things like...their various consoles that used to be only theirs, they had carriers that used to only be theirs, battle cloak which used to only be theres, universal console slots that used to be theirs, they had the first 5 tac-console ship before anyone else, and so on.
Giving them more things that are 'OP' will just result in what happened in the past:
Fed crying.
Period.
It happened. And when they did, KDF stuff was either nerfed, or given to the Feds either directly or indirectly, sometimes both.
For some examples, carriers Feds cried about for a LOOONG time. They used all their 'reasons' for wanting it, but it was crying, pure and simple, so eventually Cryptic caved in and gave them the Atrox, followed by the HEC.
Then all the consoles that used to be unique. Plasmonic leech has been a big one for a long time before it was given to the Feds. There were many a thread on that little bugger.
There are still people who ache so much for the Defiant to have an integrated battle cloak, and while I can understand that more since LoR has hit, they also don't wanna pay anything for it.
Universal BOFF slots used to be for BoPs only, and acted as a primary selling point due to having a totally customizable layout, the ultimate jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none. It also paid for it's advantages, namely BC and a full uni set up with one less BOFF slot, and considerably lower hull and shields compared to any other ship in the game.
Klingons had the first 5 tac console ship. The Tac Bortas. Yes it's been brought up a ton in this very thread a bunch, but it is true.
So no thank you. History repeats itself, and if Cryptic does that, all I suspect will happen is more crying, followed by nerfs and/or giving to the Feds irregardless.
And btw. feds crying shouldn't stop anyone from implementing this anyway. Someone has to "loose" something, even if it is only perceived loss.
Since the KDF has apperently been fleshed out (lvl 1 to 20 missions) a bit more, giving them a slight edge now would still make sense.
In the end nobody proposed anything that would help. Everyone just wishes there would be more KDF players and blames crpytic for various reasons that this isn't the case right now. Or maybe it's just this forum ... who knows.