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  • furiontassadarfuriontassadar Member Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    The embassy console that boosts shield healing provides threat generation with increased survivability.

    You wouldn't fly a Sovereign for hit and run as well, would you?

    Are there other variants of that embassy console that a Federation cruiser with the threat booster could comfortably take, possibility further boosting survivability instead, that I wouldn't be able to take since I'd be forced to take the one with the threat boosting modifier?

    And I'm afraid I don't quite get what you're asking in the second line of your post.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    daan2006 wrote: »
    we can talk about rom being OP all day long who was the OP one before roms because they where ment to be a pvp race........... your avatar has the answer

    OP? Really? Are 22k and 24k hulled ships that much of a nightmare for you back then? Hell, at one point, we had a BOP that was at 17k hull. Ships that have 0.8 shield mods? That kept you up late at night in cold sweats?

    Tell me, which faction had a good selection of 5 TAC Console ships, constant Cryptic babying / comforting (hello Avenger! Stealing a page from KDF Battlecruisers I see! So much for factions retaining uniqueness!), a COMPLETE ship lineup encompassing all aspects of ship specializations and hybridization. Ships that are solid in Escorts, Cruisers, and of course, Science Vessels? Ha! I'll tell you now, it's not the one that my avatar covers! :P

    Also, the KDF were not supposed to have been a limited monster play/PVP race.

    Oh lookie, what do we have here, specifically 1:49 if you have probs :cool:

    No, the whole "PVP only" thing came about after when Cryptic gave up on making this game a true multifaction experience. The result? Well, check the ship lineup link I provided. That is just one small example. And here's another one!.

    So please, do go on and tell me how those evil Klingon BOPs hurt you in the past, and how assuredly their firepower and staying power was too much to bear for you.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    some one dont know how to roll there KDF so they come to the forums QQ that they are soooooo under power they are soooo miss mistreated
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Instead of telling them they don't need to heal, I'd tell them l2p so they won't need to heal.

    Lol rigggggght, so in other words uber player you need never heal in any elite mission? Or are you one of those who would sooner let yourself pop and respawn anew and build up 50million ship system damage indicators like I tend to see quite often!!!
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    daan2006 wrote: »
    some one dont know how to roll there KDF so they come to the forums QQ that they are soooooo under power they are soooo miss mistreated

    Coming from a Romulan playerbase and in this thread subject, I find this HIGHLY amusing ;)
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  • adamma1701adamma1701 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    PWE is removing all race/class/profession/rank/ship restrictions. They are also removing every ship and item in the game except for phaser beam arrays. The only ship players will have is the Miranda. This is to ensure no one is different from anyone else and thus, not OP..
    Enjoy your game... that is all.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Coming from a Romulan playerbase and in this thread subject, I find this HIGHLY amusing ;)

    was a fed for 3years before roms came out ty come again ;)
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • artfulmerkageartfulmerkage Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Are there other variants of that embassy console that a Federation cruiser with the threat booster could comfortably take, possibility further boosting survivability instead, that I wouldn't be able to take since I'd be forced to take the one with the threat boosting modifier?

    And I'm afraid I don't quite get what you're asking in the second line of your post.

    I asked if you would fly a Sovereign for hit and run purposes to imply that tanking with a Romulan is fundamentally incongruous.

    Romulan vessels along with Subterfuge, Infiltrator and Operative traits are designed for covert operations. Cloaked attacks and stealthier retreats.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    daan2006 wrote: »
    was a fed for 3years before roms came out ty come again ;)

    See my links earlier haha!

    Fed lineup was never weak. If you believed that so, even back in the release days of STO, you were doing things wrong.
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  • capnshadow27capnshadow27 Member Posts: 1,731 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    So i am just going to throw this out there.

    Clearly stated as "Cruiser" commands. So why would a Warbird have Cruiser Commands?

    Pretty simple when you think about it.
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  • tonyalmeida2tonyalmeida2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Lol rigggggght, so in other words uber player you need never heal in any elite mission? Or are you one of those who would sooner let yourself pop and respawn anew and build up 50million ship system damage indicators like I tend to see quite often!!!

    I'd rather do 30k dps and pop gates on the way to the second transformer.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    See my links earlier haha!

    Fed lineup was never weak. If you believed that so, even back in the release days of STO, you were doing things wrong.

    ya and why KDF was wining all the pvp as to why feds cried out for a FVF ty come again
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I want cruiser abilities on my tacscort (especially the turn one). Make this happen.
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  • furiontassadarfuriontassadar Member Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I asked if you would fly a Sovereign for hit and run purposes to imply that tanking with a Romulan is fundamentally incongruous.

    Romulan vessels along with Subterfuge, Infiltrator and Operative traits are designed for covert operations. Cloaked attacks and stealthier retreats.

    Even the Ha'apax?
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  • teufeldritchteufeldritch Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Why do so many ppl want their factions ships to be similar to the other factions ships? I prefer each factions ship abilities to be asymmetrical. Makes things interesting & in my eyes more realistic. Not every government, nation or what-have-you goes about doing things the same way. I say keep things different amongst the factions. I'd even go so far to say there needs to be -more- differences between the ships of each faction.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I'd rather do 30k dps and pop gates on the way to the second transformer.

    Still doesn't answer the question as to whether you need to pop a heal from time to time!!! But oh yeah the feds need a cruiser boost in the form of costing them 0 in return!!!
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  • tonyalmeida2tonyalmeida2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Still doesn't answer the question as to whether you need to pop a heal from time to time!!! But oh yeah the feds need a cruiser boost in the form of costing them 0 in return!!!

    In a good premade, tac team works just fine.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Why do so many ppl want their factions ships to be similar to the other factions ships? I prefer each factions ship abilities to be asymmetrical. Makes things interesting & in my eyes more realistic. Not every government, nation or what-have-you goes about doing things the same way. I say keep things different amongst the factions. I'd even go so far to say there needs to be -more- differences between the ships of each faction.

    because like 5 year old that see another 5 year old with some new toy they got then they fell the need to have it or throw a tantrum till they get it or QQ over and over
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    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • artfulmerkageartfulmerkage Member Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Even the Ha'apax?

    Fleet Ha'apax is an exception, but the Romulan faction isn't tank-friendly was my point.
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  • furiontassadarfuriontassadar Member Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Fleet Ha'apax is an exception, but the Romulan faction isn't tank-friendly was my point.

    Isn't tank-friendly in general, perhaps, but again the Ha'apax seems to be an exception. Would it be acceptable, then, if only the Ha'apax gained some sort of aggro-boosting capability, comparable to that of the new comm array aggro-boasting ability of the Federation and KDF cruisers, to make up for that fact that it is the odd duck of the Romulan faction?
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  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    As it has been explained in great detail various times I'll simply say that I agree with the majority, Romulan's simply don't need these new commands.

    They are flavour of the month, and so have been lavished and spoiled with so many advantages they are OP to the point of broken (though I believe upcoming patches are starting to rein them in a bit).

    I can't help but wonder what the reaction will be when the next inevitable playable super faction comes along, and Romulans are thrown into the pit with the Feds and KDF.
  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    daan2006 wrote: »
    ya and why KDF was wining all the pvp as to why feds cried out for a FVF ty come again

    Ho ho ho...this is probably the most amusing post I've seen on the forums this entire past week.
    I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
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  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    mimey2 wrote: »
    Ho ho ho...this is probably the most amusing post I've seen on the forums this entire past week.

    ok first off Green Giant or Santa Claus? and dont try to say im wrong because main reason feds cried out for FVF because of KDF bop's and other cloaking ship and dieing in 10 secs flat why because at the time KDF worked as a team not some hot shot fly boy or girls thinking they could do it onw there onw that was the feds job i been here since open beta and pvp for good part of the first year
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    macronius wrote: »
    This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
  • syndonaisyndonai Member Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I was under the impression these new commands were to bring the feds/kdf up to a level equivalent with the romulans currently?
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  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    nathrael wrote: »
    Plus there already is a Romulan "Cruiser". Tal'Shiar Adapted Battlecruiser, which apparently will get the cruiser commands.

    That is a lobi ship available to all factions, and is Romulan only in name. It is most related to the non-battlecloak Klingon battlecruisers, and does not have a singularity core (hence it will get 3 out of 4 cruiser commands).
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  • ufpterrellufpterrell Member Posts: 736 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I'll echo what's been said already. Warbirds are perfectly fine as they are, yes there needs to be action taken to address the issue of a lack of dedicated science ships but that is IT.

    I'm over the moon that cruisers are at last getting some attention to make them a worthwhile asset to a team. I just hope that the comm arrays are brought out to all other ships quickly after the Avenger is launched.
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  • wazzagiowwazzagiow Member Posts: 769 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    the problem I have with romulan cruisers not getting cruiser commands is that the so called trade off for singularity abilities is having much lower power level on singularity cores vs warp cores. that's meant to be a balance trade off right there. so whats the the balance trade off with cruiser commands???
  • lterlter Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I dont know, but the new Fed Battlecruiser could use some singularity powers and built in battlecloak. Cruisers commands only seems a little underpowered.:rolleyes:
  • deadspacex64deadspacex64 Member Posts: 565 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    wazzagiow wrote: »
    the problem I have with romulan cruisers not getting cruiser commands is that the so called trade off for singularity abilities is having much lower power level on singularity cores vs warp cores. that's meant to be a balance trade off right there. so whats the the balance trade off with cruiser commands???

    boffs with operative. singularity abilities by themselves don't compensate for that -40. not in the slightest, combination of sing abilities and rom boffs does. somewhat. squishy factor is still there but tolerable.

    operative trait allows you to run weapon power lower, rely on gambling...crits to even up damage output comparative to the other factions. and have a bit more power for subsystems. the biggest squishiness comes in when players don't realize that -40 and crank weapon power the way they would in fed or kdf ships.

    sure, you do a lot of damage, but you are now a glass cannon.

    romulans don't need the cruiser commands, not at the cost of losing something else, they aren't that great in comparison to what could be lost.
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  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    wazzagiow wrote: »
    whats the the balance trade off with cruiser commands???

    Being a cruiser. :rolleyes:
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