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will romulans ever get cruiser commands?
telbasta7386
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We know that, at least at first, the new cruiser comm commands will not apply to any Romulan ships. is that ever going to change, though? Aside from lobi/lockbox ships, Romulans can't use the endgame ships of their allied factions. I think that is going to end up putting a severe hurt on romulan players - its already bad enough that we really dont have any science ships available.
Perhaps, though, cryptic has something else in mind? Maybe we could get a science ship and cruiser that use alternate, singularity-based versions of those abilities?
Perhaps, though, cryptic has something else in mind? Maybe we could get a science ship and cruiser that use alternate, singularity-based versions of those abilities?
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In light of that, Warbirds may not ever receive the Cruiser Command capability for simple balance reasons.
^Words that every player should keep in mind, especially whenever there's a problem with the game...
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If some day romulans gets other ships than wardbirds, like cruisers or sci vessels, they'll have their commands, sistem targeting, etc., but then no battlecloak or singularity core (like the romulan temporal science vessel), which are only for wardbirds not for cruisers or sci vessels.
Also if you want to use endgame ships of non-romulan factions, roll a fed or a kdf char, I dont see why a fed should run a romulan wardbird or a romulan should run a federation starship...
I really don't know why everyone seems to be pretending that Romulans don't have a Science Vessel.
They have had one since Day One.
It's the Ha'nom Guardian Warbird.
The Ha'nom is a Science Vessel: it has Sensor Analysis and Subsystem Targeting, in addition to the same weapon availability and power bonuses that are common to Science Vessels.
But since it's also a Warbird, it has the advantage of Romulan Battle Cloak, Singularity abilities, and being able to load cannons.
And let's not forget that the D'deridex and the Ha'apax function as cruisers to some degree (with the D'deridex actually being classified as a Warbird Battlecruiser).
this has my vote make it so cryptic
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This is why I suggested that something similar, but based on the singularity core, could be a feasible alternative. The point of the new cruiser commands is only partly to improve the cruiser itself - they're also to boost your team.
Take the boost to turnrate and speed command. A specific warbird (not all of them, mind you) might get an ability - for the sake of example well call it "singularity field". Singularity field, when activated, drains your singularity power to create a large inertial dampening field in space, which increases turn rate and speed for all friendly ships in the area, with the duration based on your singularity charge level.
See? Similar effect, but it cannot be used in conjunction with other singularity abilities, thus not overpowered.
Ye of limited imagination need to learn to think before responding.
Well, I guess, for the sake of ballance, this ship wont have the second deflector or other tweaks they add to sci vessels.
It's not even that heated of a discussion, by typical forum standards.
If anyone hear is displaying an over-reaction, it is you with your opening line. And it's not that we're being unimaginative. We've simply pointed out our stances on the matter and given our rationale for it (which is Warbirds won't get Cruiser Comm Arrays because they already have a lot of other innate powers). Ye of bad attitude may need to sit and think before thou speak. That is what I am figuring, yeah.
It sucks don't I don't think Warbirds will ever see the perks other ships get...the smaller ones don't get the 10% top speed evasion bonus and the DD and Ha'apax wont see Cruiser commands...not even the two BC ones.
No point arguing with them, some people are under the impression that Singularity abilities and even the Cores themselves are OP. I've seen people say that Singularity cores are better than M/AM cores and I've seen someone claiming Romulans can use Singularity jump every 15 seconds...
Well you know what you can have them...I would give up my Singularity core and powers for 40 more power and a M/AM core! (I know a bit off topic most of it but I'm sick and tired of all of these people making up lies just to claim Warbirds are so more OP than they really are.)
Romulan ships with there character perks are too overpowered as they are without new abilitys
We dont need it My Romulan characters are almost ashamed of there superior power compared to the weak Feds and Klingons
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that's why people have the attitude displayed in this thread.
Everyone, even the romulans, know the scimitar is over the top, and no self respecting Romulan player will fly one. Its the -other- warbirds we want improved.
and the other poster was right about the attitude towards singularity abilities being misinformed. There is a linked cooldown between all singularity powers, they cannot be spammed, and even maximizing your singularity charge rate doesn't change that. For that pool of abilities, many of which aren't worth using anyways, we get lower power levels and weaker core bonuses than any fed or kdf ship. Now, it would seem were also being left out of cruiser and science ship updates as well, all because of the misconception players have about singularity abilities.
Not everyone flies a scimitar, and those who dont should not be punished for it.
In other words, never going to happen.
the extra crit chance and severity from the passives and from the ability to have more than just tac sro boffs is worth less power. leech makes up for the lack of base power levels in spades. scimitar isn't the only good romulan ship. Fleet Dhelan, Fleet Tvaro, Fleet Hafeh, Fleet Mogai are all fantastic ships. Fleet Dhelan comes close to rivaling the JHAS, arguments can be made that it is on par or even slightly better. Some people like the D'D too, god knows why that ship is terrible. The fleet arkif when it is released will probably be fantastic. Romulan ships - op in nature, come with a romulan battle cloak, have a boatload of crit, get meh singularity cores (they still have amp though so its not that much of a deal), and less power (already mentioned easily compensated by leech).
Roms in general - op. Feds and KDFs - outdated, outclassed, and obsolete.
Quoted for pure unadulterated truth.
My KDF Romulan Tac in a fleet dhelan is already starting to outclass my Fed FAE main character, and that character is pretty much capped out.
The rom doesnt even have all of its SROs, elite shields, and toys yet. When it is done it will have 5-7% higher crit, higher overall DPS, battle cloak, more hull, more shields, more boff layout versatility, more abilities, and just completely outgun my main character that ive spent a fortune on.
Its pretty much the definition of OP.
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To be honest anyone who has even a beginners grasp of game mechanics would realize this, I fail to see how months after LOR's launch people still can't comprehend how op romulans are. The difference wouldn't be as bad if there were embassy boffs for eng and sci with sro and cloak was but a mere ship device that anyone could use. To me crit and cloak is what makes the romulans op in comparison.
If I were to fly one of the best canon cannon fleet ships for the feds (fleet defiant) and wanted to use a cloak (just normal cloak) I would have to sacrifice a console slot just to use a garbage normal cloak. All romulan ships (fleet variants) come with a built in romulan battle cloak. If I were to do a stat based comparison of the fleet defiant vs the fleet dhelan it would be embarrassing to ever load up another defiant.
My knowledge of klingon ships is rather limited, but from what I can tell at first glance, Romulans have hit them even harder than the feds.
Don't get me wrong I don't care if Romulans get cruiser abilities, infact I want my scimitar to be more op than it already is, however they don't need them.
What makes me sick is this:
Fleet Dhelan and Fleet Advanced Escort are basically cut from the same cloth. The Hybrid Tactical/Sci escort. Commander Tac/LtComm Sci, turn of 16, good inertia, 4/3 DHC capable, right?
But the fleet dhelan has a higher shield mod, more hull, requires only a tier 2 shipyard (the FAE needs a tier 4), has a universal LT slot (on the FAE its a tactical, which IMO is mostly a waste considering it also carries ensign tactical), and has built in abilities that I cant even get on the FAE (lol MVAM doesnt even compare)
The bottom line is the roms get a superior ship, earlier in the starbase tier system, that is both more flexible as well as has skills that make it more survivable, AND TO TOP IT OFF can only be piloted by captains that can equip five of the most powerful stacking trait in the game.
I dunno. I really dunno how some people cant see it. -40 power? Id trade that for a battle cloak on Omega X any day. Leech counters that, as does (gasp) warp core efficiency.
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Quoted the wrong person, but hey, I like your post XD
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Yeah Romulans are definitely op, there's no doubt about that. For some reason people have trouble realizing it though.
Uni Boff I can't compare...but you make it sound like tac is useless...and yes boff traits are more powerful than Fed/KDF boffs..
The Fleet Dhelan has 0.046 of a higher shield mod and 600 more hull...big woop. Yes the leech can make up for the -40 power but what you Romulan haters seem to ignore is that you don't need the leech so you get another console slot or you can use the leech for much more power efficiency!
People make it sound like we lose 40 power for these uber abilities that we can use very often...Singularity abilities...especially to charge up singularity power to a good level takes a hell of a lot longer than 15 seconds. Not to mention singularity cores are trash compared to M/AM cores.
I am a romulan hater? Take a look at my sig, half of my level 50 toons are roms (RRW and IRW ring a bell?).
I am just a realist and know the truth about them. The "big whoop" related to shield mods and hull is those are BASE STATS that are scaled then by skill spec. That 600 extra hull is actually almost 2000 after the structural integrity mod comes into play
My FAE runs with a 48500 hull, both of my Dhelans have over 50k, and they arent anywhere near as well geared.
Tac slots are not useless, but three ensign tacticals are on a cannon ship, and Commander/Ensign tactical gives you two tac teams, two cannon specials, and an attack pattern of your choice. You dont need any more than that. So on a dhelan that just lets me run either more self heals with engineering (or even A2B for the lulz), or more science shenanigans (heals or tractors or something)
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