Drakron, you seem stuck in 2012. Fleet Vorcha hasn't been the best cruiser in the game for a very long time now, and is, in fact, somewhat obsolete in current meta. It's still decent, but by no means anywhere close to best. Best Cruiser = Monboss.
Drakron, you seem stuck in 2012. Fleet Vorcha hasn't been the best cruiser in the game for a very long time now, and is, in fact, somewhat obsolete in current meta. It's still decent, but by no means anywhere close to best. Best Cruiser = Monboss.
I dunno, normally don't agree with Drakron that much, but I'd at least call the Tor'kaht one of the best Klingon-designed cruisers in the game still. Sure the Monbosh out-classes it, but it's a lockbox ship, that isn't really surprising.
Between that, and the Fleet Kamarag, I'd say those two are the best Klingon-designed cruisers for the KDF. Tor'kaht for fire power, Kamarag for support.
Gimme a team of 5 skilled KDF players, 3 Kamarags, 2 Tor'kahts, and they could probably do pretty damn well in anything.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I dunno, normally don't agree with Drakron that much, but I'd at least call the Tor'kaht one of the best Klingon-designed cruisers in the game still. Sure the Monbosh out-classes it, but it's a lockbox ship, that isn't really surprising.
Sure, but "best Klingon-designed cruiser" and "best cruiser" are not quite the same classification here. Throw enough qualifiers on something and you'll manage to make it the best of anything. Is it a good ship? Sure, even if the layout is a bit awkward and unbalanced. Is it the BEST? Naaaah. It may be above average, but it's hardly pushing high end anymore.
In almost all the other games a common ship theme is that the federation has good all round ships while the Klingons focus on attack, they usually reflect this with having more weapons pointing forwards than back. Again reflecting on the Klingon principle of not retreating.
Well, for the most part that is already in the design of the ships, so how would you put that into BOFF passives? How do you put that into BOFF passives?
I tried (emphasis on tried) to do just that with the bonus to cannons (a forward-only weapon after all) and the bonuses to defense on the Fed side, which would make the ships overall more sturdy.
Now this is just my opinion and I hope it doesn't come true but the only thing I can think of is if you make the faction so unappealing that nobody plays it they can start killing off that faction.
I just think we will never see those new klingon ships always using the excuse "something else is causing a delay" cause now its season 8 next will be the holidays then the anniversary and then season 9 and so forth....
they can then go back to the "klingons dont buy enough so we wont make anything new" till enough people stop playing the faction and they can make it into a NPC faction
Now this is just my opinion and I hope it doesn't come true but the only thing I can think of is if you make the faction so unappealing that nobody plays it they can start killing off that faction.
I just think we will never see those new klingon ships always using the excuse "something else is causing a delay" cause now its season 8 next will be the holidays then the anniversary and then season 9 and so forth....
they can then go back to the "klingons dont buy enough so we wont make anything new" till enough people stop playing the faction and they can make it into a NPC faction
While Cryptic has reworked existing content, I find it highly unlikely that they would straight up remove the KDF faction entirely. Cryptic does make new things, just not as much of it. But I'm just repeating myself at this point, and I can only show people reality, I can't make them accept it.
Cryptic is not a bunch of diabolical James Bond villains, they'll keep the KDF faction in because it draws players in and gets them playing. When I say that there isn't any money in the KDF, I don't mean it literally. Obviously there are sales being made KDF-side, but it simply isn't enough to completely recuperate from the costs of creating said KDF content. What isn't recuperated, is made up from sales elsewhere.
Which is to say that there is money to be made, just not a sustainable profit. Which is the main issue a lot of people don't understand or are willfully ignorant about accepting due to ingesting large quantities of haterade.
But again, I can only show people reality, I can't make them accept it. As certain people in this thread have proven.
While Cryptic has reworked existing content, I find it highly unlikely that they would straight up remove the KDF faction entirely. Cryptic does make new things, just not as much of it. But I'm just repeating myself at this point, and I can only show people reality, I can't make them accept it.
Cryptic is not a bunch of diabolical James Bond villains, they'll keep the KDF faction in because it draws players in and gets them playing. When I say that there isn't any money in the KDF, I don't mean it literally. Obviously there are sales being made KDF-side, but it simply isn't enough to completely recuperate from the costs of creating said KDF content. What isn't recuperated, is made up from sales elsewhere.
Which is to say that there is money to be made, just not a sustainable profit. Which is the main issue a lot of people don't understand or are willfully ignorant about accepting due to ingesting large quantities of haterade.
But again, I can only show people reality, I can't make them accept it. As certain people in this thread have proven.
Oh, shut up, you miserable troll. If you bothered to look up from your trolling, you'd notice people making the argument of 'Cryptic doesn't GIVE US stuff to buy'. Which is a valid argument that renders your BS null and void, so it's no surprise you're conveniently ignoring it. We can't exactly demonstrate how much the faction is worth when we're neither given a steady supply of content to purchase, nor given competitive stuff to purchase.
It doesn't help that they give us ships like the Bortas'qu, which is too slow and clumsy to truly compete with other KDF battlecruisers, and then complain how poorly it sells. They don't even give us what we WANT.
Oh, shut up, you miserable troll. If you bothered to look up from your trolling, you'd notice people making the argument of 'Cryptic doesn't GIVE US stuff to buy'. Which is a valid argument that renders your BS null and void, so it's no surprise you're conveniently ignoring it. We can't exactly demonstrate how much the faction is worth when we're neither given a steady supply of content to purchase, nor given competitive stuff to purchase.
It doesn't help that they give us ships like the Bortas'qu, which is too slow and clumsy to truly compete with other KDF battlecruisers, and then complain how poorly it sells. They don't even give us what we WANT.
Please calm down. The fact of the matter is you are both right and I think you know it.
The issue is a catch 22. You want more things in Klingon side, then the KDF players need to play more and buy more for them to give you more content. But the lack of content is what keeps people and their money away.
Look at the other threads. Romulan players are not thrilled to be half a faction. They get a startup then they are Starfleet or KDF thralls. Why? Because releasing the new faction was a huge risk. People could have shrugged and gone back to WoW and PWE would have lost their investment. So they take small half steps so they risk as little as possible. They gave the Klingons more when they released the Romulans. But it coincided with the romulan release. How many players here rerolled a Klingon first and not a Romulan? The numbers got shadowed by the new shiny. What the Klingon faction needs is an update to them alone and the boards on the Klingons side to say thank you as it is lapped up. Not screaming rants about how it still isn't good enough.
Now if you will excuse me I think I want to go blowup the DeWitt again.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Yeah, and then people wonder why we're 'Disenchanted'. :rolleyes:
The KDF has to be the most poorly managed faction in the history of gaming. I'll say it again, Cryptic should be ashamed of their treatment of the KDF.
I agree with u fully, never in any MMO game i played nearly the past 15 years i never seen a video game company favor one faction over another, then people making an excuse saying Fed faction is the main of the Star Trek Universe so they have more stuff.
Let's see other Franchises, Alliance of ******** is the main faction of that series yet in the WoW both Alliance & Horde have equal standing. In Star Wars Movies the Jedi were the main faction yet in SWG & SWTOR both the Jedi and Sith are equal's... may i go on?
Horde and Sith may not have a huge fan base as the Alliance and Jedi, but atleast Blizzard and Bioware keep their fans happy with enough content to ''BOTH'' sides so one faction's fanbase don't feel alienated, which would result in a autoquit due to frustration.
Cryptic is like a adopted parent that's favoring one child over another and giving more stuff to the one it likes the most and that is a fact!
This is an MMO not a TV series focusing on one side of the story, MMO games should and always tell BOTH sides of the stories no matter what side or whom they're are in whatever universe they're in.
People that say "KDF players should just buy more Z-Store stuff" must not be KDF players. I have bought all the T5 KDF ships and most of the lower tier ships for consoles and skins.
It's really hard to spend the money to support your favorite faction when there is nothing to spend your money on.
Oh, shut up, you miserable troll. If you bothered to look up from your trolling, you'd notice people making the argument of 'Cryptic doesn't GIVE US stuff to buy'. Which is a valid argument that renders your BS null and void, so it's no surprise you're conveniently ignoring it. We can't exactly demonstrate how much the faction is worth when we're neither given a steady supply of content to purchase, nor given competitive stuff to purchase.
It doesn't help that they give us ships like the Bortas'qu, which is too slow and clumsy to truly compete with other KDF battlecruisers, and then complain how poorly it sells. They don't even give us what we WANT.
I do find it amusing that disagreeing with the KDF echo chamber by using reality-based facts = trolling.
I've already pointed out why Cryptic doesn't give you stuff to buy several times. I'm not going to apologize for telling everyone how reality works in a for-profit company anymore than you'll apologize for not accepting that that KDF is subsidized by the Federation and Republic.
Which brings me back to the original point, you don't throw money into a bottomless pit regardless of false senses of self-entitlement.
But please, continue name-calling as it clearly counters my arguements.
People hate and fear what they don't understand, it's human nature. And it's also human nature to want to shoot the messanger.
Dont group the crazies with the sane people, the Fleet Vor'cha is the best cruiser in the game and Fed side there isnt really much room to play around with layouts anyway, a cruiser without a Cmdr Eng is not a cruiser and just because you have the "Cmdr Tactical or no buy" doesnt mean we are all like that, this also applies to the KDF were anything that isnt Cmdr Tact turn rate 12+ is apparently "TRIBBLE".
Then the Sane people need to speak up more because the Crazies are making the most noise and thier yammering is begining to have an effect.
Just look at Iconians, troll supreme jibber jabbering his viewpoint unmoderated tellimg all KDF fans they only exist because the feds and Romulans are keeping us alive ingame.
We existed as a faction before he Romulans even existed ingame and yet he believes they are a major factor in our survival. As if we KDF did not buy or create our own Rommie toons and spend money.
I say its high time Cryptoc put some effort into the KDF or it can refund our monies and abolish the faction.
Fans of the IP likened unto him are a blight to the game and the fact they can go around uncensored in tjier trolling shows just how pathetic Cryptic is in thier running a company.
Or to put it simply , if the arrogant feds and fedroms came to a sudden stop Craptic would be buried to its waist before it realized what had happened.
Having a few outspoken sane fed fans in the bunch does not redeem the majority of crazies or absolve Cryptic of thier poor management.
I do find it amusing that disagreeing with the KDF echo chamber by using reality-based facts = trolling.
I've already pointed out why Cryptic doesn't give you stuff to buy several times. I'm not going to apologize for telling everyone how reality works in a for-profit company anymore than you'll apologize for not accepting that that KDF is subsidized by the Federation and Republic.
Which brings me back to the original point, you don't throw money into a bottomless pit regardless of false senses of self-entitlement.
But please, continue name-calling as it clearly counters my arguements.
People hate and fear what they don't understand, it's human nature. And it's also human nature to want to shoot the messanger.
I have seen enough of your posts to figure out that you like to provoke responses from people. I don't really consider expecting a business to keep up their end to a paying customer self entitled. The truth of the matter is you offer a portion of a service (KDF Faction) you are expected to upkeep it.
In other words if you put a faction in the game you would be stupid to not expect people wanting it to get as much attention as the others. The Devs themselves have even said they were going to roll with the build it and they will come model. Being able to start off as KDF was a good step but hardly enough for already established KDF players.
I've already pointed out why Cryptic doesn't give you stuff to buy several times. I'm not going to apologize for telling everyone how reality works in a for-profit company anymore than you'll apologize for not accepting that that KDF is subsidized by the Federation and Republic.
At this point I'm not sure you understand how a "for-profit" company works.
One location has a wide range of attire including formal wear, casual attire, activewear, accessories, undergarments, and so forth. You cater to a variety of clientele, and gain sales of some products simply because they are available while your customers are already shopping for something else, and you run a rather nice profit on all-around.
The second location sells socks, albeit a decent selection with a reasonable price point; however, in order to shop there your customers must have previously visited your first location. Customers do come to the second store looking for socks, but for some reason your profit margin turns out to be lower than at the first store, at times even operating at a loss. Over the next couple years, your customers visiting the second location submit a number of customer satisfaction surveys requesting a selection closer to that available at your first location; in response, you begin stocking kilts. While you do sell several of these kilts, you end up at a loss overall.
So, you decide to open a third location. At the same time, you try to get the second location running a bit better. You remove the restriction requiring a previous visit to the first, and add suspenders and scarves to your selection. Your main focus, though, is the newly opened third location; it has a somewhat smaller selection than the first or even second locations, but has higher quality apparel (including socks, kilts, suspenders, and scarves). The newly opened store also provides limited access to items carried at the other two locations, available upon request after your customers have signed up for a special customer loyalty program; however, they may only select items from one of the other locations. The third store does well, but for some reason the second store continues to see lackluster returns, and customer satisfaction surveys continue to reflect the desire for a better selection at the second location.
The obvious conclusion is that there is a demand issue in the second location, since the current selection allows customers to go out with a scarf around their neck, suspenders holding up their kilt, and socks to keep their feet warm. :P
Seriously, form that mental picture, then think about why that second location doesn't run a profit.
With each passing day I wonder if I stepped into an alternate reality. The Cubs win the world series. Donald Trump is President. Britain leaves the EU. STO gets a dedicated PvP season. Engineers are "out of control" in STO.
Please calm down. The fact of the matter is you are both right and I think you know it.
The issue is a catch 22. You want more things in Klingon side, then the KDF players need to play more and buy more for them to give you more content. But the lack of content is what keeps people and their money away.
Look at the other threads. Romulan players are not thrilled to be half a faction. They get a startup then they are Starfleet or KDF thralls. Why? Because releasing the new faction was a huge risk. People could have shrugged and gone back to WoW and PWE would have lost their investment. So they take small half steps so they risk as little as possible. They gave the Klingons more when they released the Romulans. But it coincided with the romulan release. How many players here rerolled a Klingon first and not a Romulan? The numbers got shadowed by the new shiny. What the Klingon faction needs is an update to them alone and the boards on the Klingons side to say thank you as it is lapped up. Not screaming rants about how it still isn't good enough.
Now if you will excuse me I think I want to go blowup the DeWitt again.
Calm down? Pah. I'm bored a lot nowadays, so I'm feeding the low-quality troll. It's just too bad he's not a higher class of troll, one with subtlety and skill in the craft.
And yes, you are correct in your second paragraph, in more ways than you know. Not only did the Romulans overshadow the KDF improvements (improvements that took way too long to arrive), but there was also the added effect of the Federation and Fed-Roms gaining easy access to Plasmonic Leech at the same time, leaving even less reasons why anyone should bother to roll a KDF.
I have seen enough of your posts to figure out that you like to provoke responses from people. I don't really consider expecting a business to keep up their end to a paying customer self entitled. The truth of the matter is you offer a portion of a service (KDF Faction) you are expected to upkeep it.
In other words if you put a faction in the game you would be stupid to not expect people wanting it to get as much attention as the others. The Devs themselves have even said they were going to roll with the build it and they will come model. Being able to start off as KDF was a good step but hardly enough for already established KDF players.
Not a valid analogy. Cryptic doesn't make promises about giving the factions future content, they probably will, but they aren't legally or morally obligated to do so. I think this is part of why they did the expansion to the KDF in LoR, they want to see if the numbers will increase.
At this point I'm not sure you understand how a "for-profit" company works.
Here, I'll do it.
investment:
How much do we have to pay an artist to make the models for a ship?
How much do we have to pay a programmer to code the ships into the game?
reward:
how many people will actually buy it?
It's not as simple as "will someone buy it?". It's a question of whether enough people will buy it to balance out the cost required to make it.
investment:
How much do we have to pay an artist to make the models for a ship?
How much do we have to pay a programmer to code the ships into the game?
reward:
how many people will actually buy it?
It's not as simple as "will someone buy it?". It's a question of whether enough people will buy it to balance out the cost required to make it.
Stop trolling the KDF echo chamber by providing reality-based facts and logic instead of circular logic.
Against the conspiracionist theory of KDF not being profitable cause people magically choses to not like KDF and not playing and paying for them, you can only compare what Cryptic/PWE offers in the first place:
-Shinies, ships, bridges, uniforms, atractive bundles, best faction in game.
KDF:
-Tutorial
That's about it. Considering STO is a game about fandom, shinies, aesthetics, more than gameplay (except for the little pvp and some hardcore stf'ers), it's clear that in the current state of the game there are just two factions, Fed and Rom, and Cryptic didnt even attempt to try out with an hypotetical 3rd faction, the KDF.
How much do we have to pay an artist to make the models for a ship?
nothing. state the requirment for what is needed to the user/fan/playerbase let them do the design work. give them game cash to pay for it if the design is accepted
I do believe Cryptic is hiring. Otherwise, Cryptic isn't going to give its engine and developer tools to the fans, and good luck getting CBS Studios to greenlight fan ships without Cryptic's involvement. People at Cryptic Studios aren't robots, they're people. They get paid to do work. Much goes into a ship. Not only the ship modeling, but bridge officer set-ups, gameplay balance, marketing, and a whole bunch of other departments. It's not just JamJamz creating ships, he's one cog in a much larger machine -- all of which get paid.
even if its simply cosmetic, that is a clear source of monetisation in an f2p micro-transaction game, with the benefit of not having to rebalance teh game for it.
While I don't disagree, per se, I'm under the impression that cosmetic ship skins alone did not make much money... on either Fedside or KDF side, which is why the various T5 skins before the game went F2P ended up being included as part of Fleet Ships. There are a few things in the game that were on the c-store which is now 'free', like many of the playable species.
How much do we have to pay a programmer to code the ships into the game?
very little unless you have screwed up your games coding all over the show.
modders have been doing that stuff for years.
You don't have access to the Cryptic engine or developer tools. To say you don't have to pay programmers 'much' is dishonest. It's not just one developer doing all the work, the Studio is a team and ship development has many different jobs involved. Players being given said tools for STO is nothing less than insanity on so many levels.
"will someone buy it?" easier to buy something thats on sale than it is to buy something that isnt.
That's not answering his question. Whether something is on sale or isn't is irrelevant. I bought KDF ships from the c-store to show my support for the faction. So did many others. But net gain just isn't there. Again, it needs to be said that either Cryptic/PWE are evil capitalists that want as much money as they possible can, or they go out of their way to be malicious to the KDF by denying them varying things. You can't have it both ways. KDF ships lose more money than they make. If this weren't true, we would see many more KDF ships because that means they want to make more money.
how many people will actually buy it?
given ships like the orion space piggy that have obvious texture clipping as well as obsolete and highly uncompetitive boff layouts and instances like the mirror recon being a better ship than the fleet dssv, cryptics monetisation makes absolutly no sense at all.
Your logic makes no sense at all. You're trying to compare art aesthetics and clipping issues to fundamental gameplay balance which is apples to oranges, and you're trying to say a Mirror Recon science vessel is better than a Fleet DSSV despite 10 console slots, a shield modifier, and higher hull HP? Based on what? Personal experience? If you're saying a regular T5 DSSV is better than a Fleet DSSV, I'm sorry... but that's just ludicrous.
demanding 20 bucks for faulty items, and having completely misconceived the ship classes and powers against the increasingly broad range of content, with a system incapable of scaling to that veriety and you have, an absolute and complete mess in any attempt at monetisation!
Bugs exist in every software. From office software to the most advanced video games funded by multi-million dollar corporations. Unless there are video games out there which lack bugs of any kind, which would be news to me and the rest of the video game industry. Furthermore, a broad range of content means that they can do multiple things at once. This is how a development studio works. That being said, I do think Cryptic has been overambitious in the past but I think they've improved much since being taken under PWE's wing. They can still improve and the game is far from perfect, but let's not kid ourselves here. They're still making money. Enough of it that they can throw the KDF a bone every now and again despite losing money on it -- since that money is made up elsewhere.
add to that, the b'rel still costing still 5 fsm's, meaning cryptic are not only selling kdf items at premium prices, but those items are antiquated along with any reason for that premium to even exist.
The Fleet B'Rel costs 5 fleet modules. So does the Fleet Excelsior. I support both ships being reduced to 4 FSM's. That being said, you're supposed to get a discount for the Fleet B'Rel if you already purchased the T5 B'Rel retrofit from the c-store. I don't own either, so I can't really verify. But I do know the Fleet Excelsior was only 1 FSM since I bought the T5 Retrofit on the C-store long ago.
who ever is in control of that needs to sort out what it is they are actually dealing with.
I don't disagree. I think all fleet ships should cost 4 FSM's no matter which faction.
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Maybe the house of Mogh's blood lines aren't as pure as we've been lead to believe.<.<>.>
I dunno, normally don't agree with Drakron that much, but I'd at least call the Tor'kaht one of the best Klingon-designed cruisers in the game still. Sure the Monbosh out-classes it, but it's a lockbox ship, that isn't really surprising.
Between that, and the Fleet Kamarag, I'd say those two are the best Klingon-designed cruisers for the KDF. Tor'kaht for fire power, Kamarag for support.
Gimme a team of 5 skilled KDF players, 3 Kamarags, 2 Tor'kahts, and they could probably do pretty damn well in anything.
Well, for the most part that is already in the design of the ships, so how would you put that into BOFF passives? How do you put that into BOFF passives?
I tried (emphasis on tried) to do just that with the bonus to cannons (a forward-only weapon after all) and the bonuses to defense on the Fed side, which would make the ships overall more sturdy.
I just think we will never see those new klingon ships always using the excuse "something else is causing a delay" cause now its season 8 next will be the holidays then the anniversary and then season 9 and so forth....
they can then go back to the "klingons dont buy enough so we wont make anything new" till enough people stop playing the faction and they can make it into a NPC faction
While Cryptic has reworked existing content, I find it highly unlikely that they would straight up remove the KDF faction entirely. Cryptic does make new things, just not as much of it. But I'm just repeating myself at this point, and I can only show people reality, I can't make them accept it.
Cryptic is not a bunch of diabolical James Bond villains, they'll keep the KDF faction in because it draws players in and gets them playing. When I say that there isn't any money in the KDF, I don't mean it literally. Obviously there are sales being made KDF-side, but it simply isn't enough to completely recuperate from the costs of creating said KDF content. What isn't recuperated, is made up from sales elsewhere.
Which is to say that there is money to be made, just not a sustainable profit. Which is the main issue a lot of people don't understand or are willfully ignorant about accepting due to ingesting large quantities of haterade.
But again, I can only show people reality, I can't make them accept it. As certain people in this thread have proven.
Oh, shut up, you miserable troll. If you bothered to look up from your trolling, you'd notice people making the argument of 'Cryptic doesn't GIVE US stuff to buy'. Which is a valid argument that renders your BS null and void, so it's no surprise you're conveniently ignoring it. We can't exactly demonstrate how much the faction is worth when we're neither given a steady supply of content to purchase, nor given competitive stuff to purchase.
It doesn't help that they give us ships like the Bortas'qu, which is too slow and clumsy to truly compete with other KDF battlecruisers, and then complain how poorly it sells. They don't even give us what we WANT.
Are you trying to be funny or something? A team of 5 skilled KDF players in ANY ships is going to do extremely well:P Not just "probably";)
Please calm down. The fact of the matter is you are both right and I think you know it.
The issue is a catch 22. You want more things in Klingon side, then the KDF players need to play more and buy more for them to give you more content. But the lack of content is what keeps people and their money away.
Look at the other threads. Romulan players are not thrilled to be half a faction. They get a startup then they are Starfleet or KDF thralls. Why? Because releasing the new faction was a huge risk. People could have shrugged and gone back to WoW and PWE would have lost their investment. So they take small half steps so they risk as little as possible. They gave the Klingons more when they released the Romulans. But it coincided with the romulan release. How many players here rerolled a Klingon first and not a Romulan? The numbers got shadowed by the new shiny. What the Klingon faction needs is an update to them alone and the boards on the Klingons side to say thank you as it is lapped up. Not screaming rants about how it still isn't good enough.
Now if you will excuse me I think I want to go blowup the DeWitt again.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
In this case no. But my point is that even with all the power creep, some of the KDF's ships shouldn't be quite so underestimated.
I agree with u fully, never in any MMO game i played nearly the past 15 years i never seen a video game company favor one faction over another, then people making an excuse saying Fed faction is the main of the Star Trek Universe so they have more stuff.
Let's see other Franchises, Alliance of ******** is the main faction of that series yet in the WoW both Alliance & Horde have equal standing. In Star Wars Movies the Jedi were the main faction yet in SWG & SWTOR both the Jedi and Sith are equal's... may i go on?
Horde and Sith may not have a huge fan base as the Alliance and Jedi, but atleast Blizzard and Bioware keep their fans happy with enough content to ''BOTH'' sides so one faction's fanbase don't feel alienated, which would result in a autoquit due to frustration.
Cryptic is like a adopted parent that's favoring one child over another and giving more stuff to the one it likes the most and that is a fact!
This is an MMO not a TV series focusing on one side of the story, MMO games should and always tell BOTH sides of the stories no matter what side or whom they're are in whatever universe they're in.
It's really hard to spend the money to support your favorite faction when there is nothing to spend your money on.
KDF Tac: Bortasqu' Tactical
Fed Tac: Fleet Gal-X
Keep those big guns a-thunderin'
I do find it amusing that disagreeing with the KDF echo chamber by using reality-based facts = trolling.
I've already pointed out why Cryptic doesn't give you stuff to buy several times. I'm not going to apologize for telling everyone how reality works in a for-profit company anymore than you'll apologize for not accepting that that KDF is subsidized by the Federation and Republic.
Which brings me back to the original point, you don't throw money into a bottomless pit regardless of false senses of self-entitlement.
But please, continue name-calling as it clearly counters my arguements.
People hate and fear what they don't understand, it's human nature. And it's also human nature to want to shoot the messanger.
Then the Sane people need to speak up more because the Crazies are making the most noise and thier yammering is begining to have an effect.
Just look at Iconians, troll supreme jibber jabbering his viewpoint unmoderated tellimg all KDF fans they only exist because the feds and Romulans are keeping us alive ingame.
We existed as a faction before he Romulans even existed ingame and yet he believes they are a major factor in our survival. As if we KDF did not buy or create our own Rommie toons and spend money.
I say its high time Cryptoc put some effort into the KDF or it can refund our monies and abolish the faction.
Fans of the IP likened unto him are a blight to the game and the fact they can go around uncensored in tjier trolling shows just how pathetic Cryptic is in thier running a company.
Or to put it simply , if the arrogant feds and fedroms came to a sudden stop Craptic would be buried to its waist before it realized what had happened.
Having a few outspoken sane fed fans in the bunch does not redeem the majority of crazies or absolve Cryptic of thier poor management.
R.I.P
I think that's one of the most insightful things I've seen you post. I agree.
I have seen enough of your posts to figure out that you like to provoke responses from people. I don't really consider expecting a business to keep up their end to a paying customer self entitled. The truth of the matter is you offer a portion of a service (KDF Faction) you are expected to upkeep it.
In other words if you put a faction in the game you would be stupid to not expect people wanting it to get as much attention as the others. The Devs themselves have even said they were going to roll with the build it and they will come model. Being able to start off as KDF was a good step but hardly enough for already established KDF players.
At this point I'm not sure you understand how a "for-profit" company works.
Seriously, form that mental picture, then think about why that second location doesn't run a profit.
Sorry I see someone being that silly I can't help myself sometimes. :P
Calm down? Pah. I'm bored a lot nowadays, so I'm feeding the low-quality troll. It's just too bad he's not a higher class of troll, one with subtlety and skill in the craft.
And yes, you are correct in your second paragraph, in more ways than you know. Not only did the Romulans overshadow the KDF improvements (improvements that took way too long to arrive), but there was also the added effect of the Federation and Fed-Roms gaining easy access to Plasmonic Leech at the same time, leaving even less reasons why anyone should bother to roll a KDF.
My character Tsin'xing
investment:
How much do we have to pay an artist to make the models for a ship?
How much do we have to pay a programmer to code the ships into the game?
reward:
how many people will actually buy it?
It's not as simple as "will someone buy it?". It's a question of whether enough people will buy it to balance out the cost required to make it.
My character Tsin'xing
Stop trolling the KDF echo chamber by providing reality-based facts and logic instead of circular logic.
FED:
-Shinies, ships, bridges, uniforms, atractive bundles...
ROM:
-Shinies, ships, bridges, uniforms, atractive bundles, best faction in game.
KDF:
-Tutorial
That's about it. Considering STO is a game about fandom, shinies, aesthetics, more than gameplay (except for the little pvp and some hardcore stf'ers), it's clear that in the current state of the game there are just two factions, Fed and Rom, and Cryptic didnt even attempt to try out with an hypotetical 3rd faction, the KDF.
I do believe Cryptic is hiring. Otherwise, Cryptic isn't going to give its engine and developer tools to the fans, and good luck getting CBS Studios to greenlight fan ships without Cryptic's involvement. People at Cryptic Studios aren't robots, they're people. They get paid to do work. Much goes into a ship. Not only the ship modeling, but bridge officer set-ups, gameplay balance, marketing, and a whole bunch of other departments. It's not just JamJamz creating ships, he's one cog in a much larger machine -- all of which get paid.
While I don't disagree, per se, I'm under the impression that cosmetic ship skins alone did not make much money... on either Fedside or KDF side, which is why the various T5 skins before the game went F2P ended up being included as part of Fleet Ships. There are a few things in the game that were on the c-store which is now 'free', like many of the playable species.
You don't have access to the Cryptic engine or developer tools. To say you don't have to pay programmers 'much' is dishonest. It's not just one developer doing all the work, the Studio is a team and ship development has many different jobs involved. Players being given said tools for STO is nothing less than insanity on so many levels.
That's not answering his question. Whether something is on sale or isn't is irrelevant. I bought KDF ships from the c-store to show my support for the faction. So did many others. But net gain just isn't there. Again, it needs to be said that either Cryptic/PWE are evil capitalists that want as much money as they possible can, or they go out of their way to be malicious to the KDF by denying them varying things. You can't have it both ways. KDF ships lose more money than they make. If this weren't true, we would see many more KDF ships because that means they want to make more money.
Your logic makes no sense at all. You're trying to compare art aesthetics and clipping issues to fundamental gameplay balance which is apples to oranges, and you're trying to say a Mirror Recon science vessel is better than a Fleet DSSV despite 10 console slots, a shield modifier, and higher hull HP? Based on what? Personal experience? If you're saying a regular T5 DSSV is better than a Fleet DSSV, I'm sorry... but that's just ludicrous.
Bugs exist in every software. From office software to the most advanced video games funded by multi-million dollar corporations. Unless there are video games out there which lack bugs of any kind, which would be news to me and the rest of the video game industry. Furthermore, a broad range of content means that they can do multiple things at once. This is how a development studio works. That being said, I do think Cryptic has been overambitious in the past but I think they've improved much since being taken under PWE's wing. They can still improve and the game is far from perfect, but let's not kid ourselves here. They're still making money. Enough of it that they can throw the KDF a bone every now and again despite losing money on it -- since that money is made up elsewhere.
The Fleet B'Rel costs 5 fleet modules. So does the Fleet Excelsior. I support both ships being reduced to 4 FSM's. That being said, you're supposed to get a discount for the Fleet B'Rel if you already purchased the T5 B'Rel retrofit from the c-store. I don't own either, so I can't really verify. But I do know the Fleet Excelsior was only 1 FSM since I bought the T5 Retrofit on the C-store long ago.
I don't disagree. I think all fleet ships should cost 4 FSM's no matter which faction.