Then vent on the Devs, but the Fed players didn't do anything here. Heck you look at thread about the Avenger in the Fed shipyards; its mostly a lot of "well, I guess we'll see?" and head-scratching about why this ship exists at all, very little passion one way or the other. A mindset of perpetual victimhood does not excuse lashing out at fellow players who didn't do a damn thing.
Yeah, 'head scratching' mixed in with people saying 'yay, new toy!' (or variations of thus). The devs rarely even condescend to respond to us here in the KDF sections of the forums, so we have little choice but ti 'lash out' if we want to be heard.
We have reasons to be in 'perpetual victimhood'. The KDF faction gets shat on at every turn, somehow, and we're not just gonna sit here and be quiet about it. Heck, even with LoR, we got shat on by having the plasmonic leech peddled off to the Federation faction in exchange for a nigh-useless console that I don't see ANYBODY using, Fed or KDF. Not to mention Cryptic backstabbing the faction by giving every Romulan ships battlecloaks without actually having to pay for 'em, thus obsoleting the so-called 'advantage' of the built-in regular cloak. The ridiculous boffs affect both factions negatively, at least.
Then vent on the Devs, but the Fed players didn't do anything here. Heck you look at thread about the Avenger in the Fed shipyards; its mostly a lot of "well, I guess we'll see?" and head-scratching about why this ship exists at all, very little passion one way or the other. A mindset of perpetual victimhood does not excuse lashing out at fellow players who didn't do a damn thing.
I'm not pissed at the Devs because they did not come into this thread and once again lay the blaim for the lackluster KDF on us, the fans.
No, that was done by a player named Iconians. Done in the old trolling fashion we KDF are used to seeing as the standard gloat and blaim.
Crytpics only fault lies in never finishing the KDF or even giving it more than a token bit of attention.
The fedfans are the ones whom poke and prod the KDF for the trolling. I have yet to see a Dev do it.
I'm not excusing Cryptic at all, but we really don't know how long into the development cycle this ship was before today's news.
Considering it STILL doesn't actually EXIST, I would say it's in the "doesn't actually exist" part of the development cycle, and they'll finish actually throwing the ship together in the 2 hours they have before the server comes back up, as usual. The result: A buggy mess that was obviously thrown together in 2 hours, just like when they put out the Kumari.
(Again, sorry if this seems a strawman argument. But I am having difficulty demonstrating why it seems odd that the Federation does not at least dabble in cloaking technology. If for no other reason than to know what all their neighbors around them can actually accomplish.)
It's not that the Federation doesn't know how to build a cloak. They have seen examples over the decades dating back to Kirk's time. It's more of the show's style. Sure, you can throw in the Treaty with the Romulans and all that, but again, it's not Star Trek's style for Starfleet. Starfleet has dabbled in it, illegally, the Phased Cloak. But when it was discovered by Capt Picard and the Ent-D, he squashed it completely. It was the Federation SOP that it not be developed, much less fielded.
Again in my examples, across the entirety of Star Trek, and across costly wars, Starfleet never developed and fielded cloak-capable ships. Gene Roddenberry's "White Knights" went across space in shining white or light grey colored hulls. This has always been the standard for Star Trek, from the TOS Connies, TMP Connie-refits, TNG era ships, the sheer number of Starfleet ships shown during the Dominon War in DS9, etc. When Starfleet shows up, you know it. You know what they are about on behalf of the Federation, you know what they can do.
I feel there are two big issues in regards to them releasing a new KDF tier 5 C-store ship:
1. They aren't willing to take any risks.
That's the biggest one. They've said that KDF hasn't made enough money in the past. Fine. But they use that as their primary reason to not make any new stuff for the KDF. They only want to play it safe, which acts as a self-perpetuating cycle of 'as long as they play it safe, they longer they will want to keep playing it safe', and never ever change.
2. They aren't willing to make what KDF players want.
Seriously, as much as I like the Negh'var (it's my favorite Klingon ship design), it's still ANOTHER battlecruiser. I mean, we don't need more of those IMO.
From what I've noticed, KDF players mostly want pretty much the following: A new dedicated sci-ship to better compete with what like the Feds have, a good new raptor that can keep up with most newer ships as well, and also possibly a new BoP.
We aren't asking for god-ships here, just something NEW to keep up with how much power creep has changed things. Don't need overpowered toys or cheese either, just be competitive and more of an even footing. Doesn't even need to be like a '5 tac console raptor' or anything either. I don't feel that's too much to ask.
Now, in regards to fleet ships:
I love fleet ships. I was SO excited for the Fleet Excelsior when they announced it way back when. I think fleet ships are one of the best ideas they've had for this game. But few people want to pay 4 or 5 modules for a ship for a single character unlock unless they really REALLY want it or the ship is considered to be an excellent choice, like the Fleet Tor'kaht for KDF players.
I mean honestly, how many people buy say...a Fleet Aquarius? Not many. Oh yes, they are out there, but how many really do buy it?
On the other end, people seem to have little issue going and buying a tier 5 C-store ship and then using that for the account-based discount to buy their fleet ship. Even if they still paid about the same amount, they felt like it was a better deal with being able to only pay one module for it.
Biggest issue with fleet ships is what tier they are unlocked on, and how that can act as a pretty big thing depending on the ship. I mean, even with all these fleets hitting tier 5 military, how many Fleet B'rels, or Fleet HECs do you see?
My point from all that, is that people will buy KDF ships that they don't own to get fleet versions of them, or if they do own em, will happily upgrade to a fleet one (as long as the tier isn't super-high for everything) without too much issue.
It helps a lot in regards to ships, but there are currently only two ships for the KDF that qualify for that discount, so people aren't as willing to pay big costs for a single character unlock. On top of that, it doesn't help that Cryptic seems to have this policy of 'we only release new fleet ships as long as both sides get them'. Instead of releasing them one at a time, or one on each side at a time, instead they did a 'group' in the past, and they seem to be keeping to that.
Now yes, there are factors I don't know. I don't work for them, so who knows what might go on behind the scenes for fleet ships. I just know what I see.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
And a bunch of cloaking ships for Starfleet goes against the theme of everything that is Star Trek. It has never been the overall theme for Starfleet in every TV series, every movie. Not while Gene Roddenberry was alive, and not even after his death. In every show & movie, Starfleet did its business in the open. That was it's style. Roddenberry's Starfleet did not lurk in cloaks. Not his White Knights of the franchise.
I think its more in line with Cryptic trying to rebalance their incredible shortsightedness in making all rom ships have battlecloaks. But giving one fed ship the ability to use the rather weak fed console cloak? That's just.... words escape me as to how bad a way that is to rebalance all the rom battlecloaks. How about making most rom ships have regular cloaks instead of BC, and bringing down their overly high innate cloak bonuses instead? I swear its as if Cryptic is manned by children with no concept of balance.
I think its more in line with Cryptic trying to rebalance their incredible shortsightedness in making all rom ships have battlecloaks. But giving one fed ship the ability to use the rather weak fed console cloak? That's just.... words escape me as to how bad a way that is to rebalance all the rom battlecloaks. How about making most rom ships have regular cloaks instead of BC, and bringing down their overly high innate cloak bonuses instead? I swear its as if Cryptic is manned by children with no concept of balance.
Can you imagine the tears of rage and sorrow if Romulan Warbirds went back to "improved standard cloaks?" :cool:
I have 4 Romulan/Reman toons, and even I think it would be hilarious to see it happen.
But personally, I don't mind the Warbirds all getting Battle Cloaks as standard. I don't even mind them getting the better, Romulan Battle Cloak. What I do mind, in terms of game balance, is that they are still as sturdy as anything the Federation has and pay no price for all that power. Their BOFFs w/ traits blow everything and anything out of the water. Even KDF/Fed players diving into Embassy BOFFs still cannot come close to what the standard Romulan/Reman faction BOFFs can do. And all this, and pay no price. Honestly, except for wishing to play a canon ship skin, there really is no reason to play Fed or KDF now. The Romulans blow everything out of the water with a fraction of the ship selection. It's that good.
It's probably time that Federation and KDF specific players got BOFF traits for their own specific faction only. Traits that emphasize the different ship philosophies of Starfleet and the KDF.
KDF needs k'vort 3 pack with tac, science and engineer variants. Problem solved. Instant profit for Cryptic.
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I keep seeing the common excuse of the KDF doesn't bring in any money... Exactly how can they when there is nothing to really buy in the zen store? If you are KDF centric player what reason would you have to buy anything off the the store if you have everything for that faction already?
Sorry that has to be the lamest excuse I have ever heard. It's like a drug store that doesn't sell asprin then complains they are not making money off asprin. :rolleyes:
Romulan ships always had cloaks, ever since Balance of Terror that was the first time we see Romulans to Nemesis, simply you cannot find one Romulan ship that lacked a cloak, even their shuttle had a cloak
KDf appropriation of cloak as "hiss, OURS" was always something that the moment we had Romulans would go away because Romulans invented the damn thing in the first place, discounting the TAS the first time we see a Klingon ship cloaked was in ST:III and that ship was originally a Romulan BoP on the script.
Besides if its not build-in is downright useless beyond its initial alpha and unless that Cruiser can mount DHCs (that I believe it will) thats barely of any use, we have too many useful universal consoles to go around wasting them on a one-trick pony, even it would be interesting if the Avenger was a co-developed ship of the KDF and the Federation, even if it would likely blow some people minds over here as they are stuck in the TOS era.
We see it then but the character of Kor specifically mentioned when Klingons first had gotten cloaking from the romulans as a new technology in DS9, and how he had to use it.
Klingons certainly did not invent cloaking but it is an old technology we have long been using.
I'm mean TV and movies being considered canon and all that.
It's probably time that Federation and KDF specific players got BOFF traits for their own specific faction only. Traits that emphasize the different ship philosophies of Starfleet and the KDF.
Let me start by saying I am not trolling you here.
But what are the ship philosophies of Starfleet and the KDF?
I mean making a few bridge officer passives would be easier than making a whole new ship right?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
I think its more in line with Cryptic trying to rebalance their incredible shortsightedness in making all rom ships have battlecloaks. But giving one fed ship the ability to use the rather weak fed console cloak? That's just.... words escape me as to how bad a way that is to rebalance all the rom battlecloaks. How about making most rom ships have regular cloaks instead of BC, and bringing down their overly high innate cloak bonuses instead? I swear its as if Cryptic is manned by children with no concept of balance.
For the sake of truth, I just want to point out that the new Fed. battlecruiser will not have innate cloaking ability, but will also have to use the standard Fed. cloaking console that the Defiant and Galaxy-X currently use.
I keep seeing the common excuse of the KDF doesn't bring in any money... Exactly how can they when there is nothing to really buy in the zen store? If you are KDF centric player what reason would you have to buy anything off the the store if you have everything for that faction already?
Sorry that has to be the lamest excuse I have ever heard. It's like a drug store that doesn't sell asprin then complains they are not making money off asprin. :rolleyes:
lol Exactly. It's a neveredning cycle of contradiction.
Let me start by saying I am not trolling you here.
But what are the ship philosophies of Starfleet and the KDF?
I mean making a few bridge officer passives would be easier than making a whole new ship right?
That's actually an interesting question.
I'm not sure it's easy to answer given there are several radicall differnt kinds of ships in each fleet.
But in case of Starfleet it's probably about the maxium of survivability for the crew and the best efficiency of their equipment.
While the Klingons would put emphasis on agility to swing around for another, devastating attack.
So it would something like well-aimed punches and parries for the Feds, it would be slash and dodge for the Klingons.
I'm not sure how to put that into effect with regards to passives. Perhaps better kinetic resistance for the crew, a passive accuracy bonus for weapons (would probably benefit ships without attack patterns more) and a passive that makes shields benefit from their power levels more for the Feds...?
For KDf I can think of a passive for cannon damage, an impulse mod passive and perhaps a turnrate passive even though I'm not sure that's too much on movement.
As much as I love TUC, it really is the odd-man out when it comes to depicting klingons (nowhere else do we see pink blood for example).
Okay...then I kinda missed that.
With regards to the pink blood, there was a somewhat lengthy discussion about it a while back in the art section. And the reason can be summed up as: thanks to the pink blood, they got an age 12 rating on a movie where a Klingon gets his arm shot off.
With regards to the pink blood, there was a somewhat lengthy discussion about it a while back in the art section. And the reason can be summed up as: thanks to the pink blood, they got an age 12 rating on a movie where a Klingon gets his arm shot off.
G@D I love a crowd of Trekkies. The wit of it all.
Given the Klingons slant towards melee combat a passive buff to Boarding and Maurauding parties may be an interesting idea.
Though we need to keep in mind that other races now make up the KdF and they deserve a looksie as well.
So it seems the word of the UFP president is about as firm as the Real Life political word. No more research into Cloaking........
I guess this is really a Romulan designed ship.
Might as well hang it up KDF fans. Cryptic never got the chance or took the chance to make a money grab on our fandom and it appears we may be looking at the tail lights of the fed-roms as they speed away on the most current money train into cryptics wallet.
I really wouldn't focus on the problem of Fed' ships abilities to cloak with a treaty about no longer researching cloaking device technology. The Romulan Empire, the government it charted the agreement with, is no more a cohesive power, and the other faction, the KDF, they are at war with. I'm not going to hold myself to a treaty with a nation that I am at war with, that makes no sense.
I would argue that the whole thing with Federation cloaked ships just doesn't fit the M.O. of Starfleet. A bunch of cloaked Feddies' is just silly.
I really wouldn't focus on the problem of Fed' ships abilities to cloak with a treaty about no longer researching cloaking device technology. The Romulan Empire, the government it charted the agreement with, is no more a cohesive power, and the other faction, the KDF, they are at war with. I'm not going to hold myself to a treaty with a nation that I am at war with, that makes no sense.
I would argue that the whole thing with Federation cloaked ships just doesn't fit the M.O. of Starfleet. A bunch of cloaked Feddies' is just silly.
It was a response made in anger and knowledge of the futility of our position in STO. Had I been at the ranhe, instead of posting I would have just burned through a clip andnlet it go.
Frankly I understand the need to cater to a strong market base but it does not sooth the fact that as a fan we wish things where different
That's actually an interesting question.
I'm not sure it's easy to answer given there are several radicall differnt kinds of ships in each fleet.
But in case of Starfleet it's probably about the maxium of survivability for the crew and the best efficiency of their equipment.
While the Klingons would put emphasis on agility to swing around for another, devastating attack.
So it would something like well-aimed punches and parries for the Feds, it would be slash and dodge for the Klingons.
I'm not sure how to put that into effect with regards to passives. Perhaps better kinetic resistance for the crew, a passive accuracy bonus for weapons (would probably benefit ships without attack patterns more) and a passive that makes shields benefit from their power levels more for the Feds...?
For KDf I can think of a passive for cannon damage, an impulse mod passive and perhaps a turnrate passive even though I'm not sure that's too much on movement.
In almost all the other games a common ship theme is that the federation has good all round ships while the Klingons focus on attack, they usually reflect this with having more weapons pointing forwards than back. Again reflecting on the Klingon principle of not retreating.
It was a response made in anger and knowledge of the futility of our position in STO. Had I been at the ranhe, instead of posting I would have just burned through a clip andnlet it go.
Frankly I understand the need to cater to a strong market base but it does not sooth the fact that as a fan we wish things where different
Honestly, while I understand your feelings of futility, you can take solace in knowing that the Avenger will just be another target out there as long as cruisers are the way that they are in game.
The Avenger doesn't really seem like a threat just yet. I'm not too miffed about it, and I look forward to having one more slowpoke cruiser to gun down.
Honestly, while I understand your feelings of futility, you can take solace in knowing that the Avenger will just be another target out there as long as cruisers are the way that they are in game.
Unfortunately it is late and I have been imbibing, so my thought process is that even if it is a near replica of say the Fleet Torkie in stats, which was once touted as slightly OP by some, it will be deemed unworthy and unfit by fed standards. Where we would not get any change they may complain and get it.
We will see, but I am tired of STO seeming to only cater to whims instead of being a well rounded game.
Such is the conspiracy brought forth by too much bloodwine and to morose a mood that follows.
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Yeah, 'head scratching' mixed in with people saying 'yay, new toy!' (or variations of thus). The devs rarely even condescend to respond to us here in the KDF sections of the forums, so we have little choice but ti 'lash out' if we want to be heard.
We have reasons to be in 'perpetual victimhood'. The KDF faction gets shat on at every turn, somehow, and we're not just gonna sit here and be quiet about it. Heck, even with LoR, we got shat on by having the plasmonic leech peddled off to the Federation faction in exchange for a nigh-useless console that I don't see ANYBODY using, Fed or KDF. Not to mention Cryptic backstabbing the faction by giving every Romulan ships battlecloaks without actually having to pay for 'em, thus obsoleting the so-called 'advantage' of the built-in regular cloak. The ridiculous boffs affect both factions negatively, at least.
This statement is absolutely false!...Klingons don't have tear ducts.:P
I'm not pissed at the Devs because they did not come into this thread and once again lay the blaim for the lackluster KDF on us, the fans.
No, that was done by a player named Iconians. Done in the old trolling fashion we KDF are used to seeing as the standard gloat and blaim.
Crytpics only fault lies in never finishing the KDF or even giving it more than a token bit of attention.
The fedfans are the ones whom poke and prod the KDF for the trolling. I have yet to see a Dev do it.
R.I.P
No surprise there. A ship which never actually existed, or even had a plan to exist, still doesn't exist.
It's not that the Federation doesn't know how to build a cloak. They have seen examples over the decades dating back to Kirk's time. It's more of the show's style. Sure, you can throw in the Treaty with the Romulans and all that, but again, it's not Star Trek's style for Starfleet. Starfleet has dabbled in it, illegally, the Phased Cloak. But when it was discovered by Capt Picard and the Ent-D, he squashed it completely. It was the Federation SOP that it not be developed, much less fielded.
Again in my examples, across the entirety of Star Trek, and across costly wars, Starfleet never developed and fielded cloak-capable ships. Gene Roddenberry's "White Knights" went across space in shining white or light grey colored hulls. This has always been the standard for Star Trek, from the TOS Connies, TMP Connie-refits, TNG era ships, the sheer number of Starfleet ships shown during the Dominon War in DS9, etc. When Starfleet shows up, you know it. You know what they are about on behalf of the Federation, you know what they can do.
I'll hold the mirror for you.
1. They aren't willing to take any risks.
That's the biggest one. They've said that KDF hasn't made enough money in the past. Fine. But they use that as their primary reason to not make any new stuff for the KDF. They only want to play it safe, which acts as a self-perpetuating cycle of 'as long as they play it safe, they longer they will want to keep playing it safe', and never ever change.
2. They aren't willing to make what KDF players want.
Seriously, as much as I like the Negh'var (it's my favorite Klingon ship design), it's still ANOTHER battlecruiser. I mean, we don't need more of those IMO.
From what I've noticed, KDF players mostly want pretty much the following: A new dedicated sci-ship to better compete with what like the Feds have, a good new raptor that can keep up with most newer ships as well, and also possibly a new BoP.
We aren't asking for god-ships here, just something NEW to keep up with how much power creep has changed things. Don't need overpowered toys or cheese either, just be competitive and more of an even footing. Doesn't even need to be like a '5 tac console raptor' or anything either. I don't feel that's too much to ask.
Now, in regards to fleet ships:
I love fleet ships. I was SO excited for the Fleet Excelsior when they announced it way back when. I think fleet ships are one of the best ideas they've had for this game. But few people want to pay 4 or 5 modules for a ship for a single character unlock unless they really REALLY want it or the ship is considered to be an excellent choice, like the Fleet Tor'kaht for KDF players.
I mean honestly, how many people buy say...a Fleet Aquarius? Not many. Oh yes, they are out there, but how many really do buy it?
On the other end, people seem to have little issue going and buying a tier 5 C-store ship and then using that for the account-based discount to buy their fleet ship. Even if they still paid about the same amount, they felt like it was a better deal with being able to only pay one module for it.
Biggest issue with fleet ships is what tier they are unlocked on, and how that can act as a pretty big thing depending on the ship. I mean, even with all these fleets hitting tier 5 military, how many Fleet B'rels, or Fleet HECs do you see?
My point from all that, is that people will buy KDF ships that they don't own to get fleet versions of them, or if they do own em, will happily upgrade to a fleet one (as long as the tier isn't super-high for everything) without too much issue.
It helps a lot in regards to ships, but there are currently only two ships for the KDF that qualify for that discount, so people aren't as willing to pay big costs for a single character unlock. On top of that, it doesn't help that Cryptic seems to have this policy of 'we only release new fleet ships as long as both sides get them'. Instead of releasing them one at a time, or one on each side at a time, instead they did a 'group' in the past, and they seem to be keeping to that.
Now yes, there are factors I don't know. I don't work for them, so who knows what might go on behind the scenes for fleet ships. I just know what I see.
I think its more in line with Cryptic trying to rebalance their incredible shortsightedness in making all rom ships have battlecloaks. But giving one fed ship the ability to use the rather weak fed console cloak? That's just.... words escape me as to how bad a way that is to rebalance all the rom battlecloaks. How about making most rom ships have regular cloaks instead of BC, and bringing down their overly high innate cloak bonuses instead? I swear its as if Cryptic is manned by children with no concept of balance.
Can you imagine the tears of rage and sorrow if Romulan Warbirds went back to "improved standard cloaks?" :cool:
I have 4 Romulan/Reman toons, and even I think it would be hilarious to see it happen.
But personally, I don't mind the Warbirds all getting Battle Cloaks as standard. I don't even mind them getting the better, Romulan Battle Cloak. What I do mind, in terms of game balance, is that they are still as sturdy as anything the Federation has and pay no price for all that power. Their BOFFs w/ traits blow everything and anything out of the water. Even KDF/Fed players diving into Embassy BOFFs still cannot come close to what the standard Romulan/Reman faction BOFFs can do. And all this, and pay no price. Honestly, except for wishing to play a canon ship skin, there really is no reason to play Fed or KDF now. The Romulans blow everything out of the water with a fraction of the ship selection. It's that good.
It's probably time that Federation and KDF specific players got BOFF traits for their own specific faction only. Traits that emphasize the different ship philosophies of Starfleet and the KDF.
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Sorry that has to be the lamest excuse I have ever heard. It's like a drug store that doesn't sell asprin then complains they are not making money off asprin. :rolleyes:
Wait then how was Kurn crying in DS9?
When did he cry in "Sons of Mogh"?
We see it then but the character of Kor specifically mentioned when Klingons first had gotten cloaking from the romulans as a new technology in DS9, and how he had to use it.
Klingons certainly did not invent cloaking but it is an old technology we have long been using.
I'm mean TV and movies being considered canon and all that.
R.I.P
Let me start by saying I am not trolling you here.
But what are the ship philosophies of Starfleet and the KDF?
I mean making a few bridge officer passives would be easier than making a whole new ship right?
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
As much as I love TUC, it really is the odd-man out when it comes to depicting klingons (nowhere else do we see pink blood for example).
For the sake of truth, I just want to point out that the new Fed. battlecruiser will not have innate cloaking ability, but will also have to use the standard Fed. cloaking console that the Defiant and Galaxy-X currently use.
lol
That's actually an interesting question.
I'm not sure it's easy to answer given there are several radicall differnt kinds of ships in each fleet.
But in case of Starfleet it's probably about the maxium of survivability for the crew and the best efficiency of their equipment.
While the Klingons would put emphasis on agility to swing around for another, devastating attack.
So it would something like well-aimed punches and parries for the Feds, it would be slash and dodge for the Klingons.
I'm not sure how to put that into effect with regards to passives. Perhaps better kinetic resistance for the crew, a passive accuracy bonus for weapons (would probably benefit ships without attack patterns more) and a passive that makes shields benefit from their power levels more for the Feds...?
For KDf I can think of a passive for cannon damage, an impulse mod passive and perhaps a turnrate passive even though I'm not sure that's too much on movement.
Okay...then I kinda missed that.
With regards to the pink blood, there was a somewhat lengthy discussion about it a while back in the art section. And the reason can be summed up as: thanks to the pink blood, they got an age 12 rating on a movie where a Klingon gets his arm shot off.
G@D I love a crowd of Trekkies. The wit of it all.
Though we need to keep in mind that other races now make up the KdF and they deserve a looksie as well.
R.I.P
I really wouldn't focus on the problem of Fed' ships abilities to cloak with a treaty about no longer researching cloaking device technology. The Romulan Empire, the government it charted the agreement with, is no more a cohesive power, and the other faction, the KDF, they are at war with. I'm not going to hold myself to a treaty with a nation that I am at war with, that makes no sense.
I would argue that the whole thing with Federation cloaked ships just doesn't fit the M.O. of Starfleet. A bunch of cloaked Feddies' is just silly.
It was a response made in anger and knowledge of the futility of our position in STO. Had I been at the ranhe, instead of posting I would have just burned through a clip andnlet it go.
Frankly I understand the need to cater to a strong market base but it does not sooth the fact that as a fan we wish things where different
R.I.P
In almost all the other games a common ship theme is that the federation has good all round ships while the Klingons focus on attack, they usually reflect this with having more weapons pointing forwards than back. Again reflecting on the Klingon principle of not retreating.
Honestly, while I understand your feelings of futility, you can take solace in knowing that the Avenger will just be another target out there as long as cruisers are the way that they are in game.
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Unfortunately it is late and I have been imbibing, so my thought process is that even if it is a near replica of say the Fleet Torkie in stats, which was once touted as slightly OP by some, it will be deemed unworthy and unfit by fed standards. Where we would not get any change they may complain and get it.
We will see, but I am tired of STO seeming to only cater to whims instead of being a well rounded game.
Such is the conspiracy brought forth by too much bloodwine and to morose a mood that follows.
R.I.P