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    linyivelinyive Member Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    so, you guys just want a game with 1 faction, so every single thing you spend money on can be used by every character? could you be less realistic? this is a multi faction game, each faction is unique, thankfully. they all got thier own stuff, this deal with it.
    Actually, no.

    Since the Romulan faction is a cross faction-faction, I think it opens the door for allowing them to access everything in their alliance. Why pay for something twice?
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    maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    so, you guys just want a game with 1 faction, so every single thing you spend money on can be used by every character? could you be less realistic? this is a multi faction game, each faction is unique, thankfully. they all got thier own stuff, this deal with it.

    thats why the rommies got quad cannons too right? because each faction has their own stuff?
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    linyivelinyive Member Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    maicake716 wrote: »
    thats why the rommies got quad cannons too right? because each faction has their own stuff?
    I guess he wants to buy the same items an infinite number of times, so he can use them to play the same mechanics an infinite number of times. rofl...

    Tactical Warbird is practically the same ship as the Tactical Escort. If you bought the Federation Tactical Escort, why would you want to buy it a second time? $25 is not enough? Cryptic should just make the Federation Tactical Escorts available to Romulan defectors.

    Or, since they added the hanger, Cryptic should just make the Armitage available to Romulan defectors.

    It can also work for the KDF side.

    I already spent around $300 on the Federation faction.

    *shrugs*

    Is that not enough?

    Purchasing one ship for the KDF and/or Federation faction should also unlock it for your Romulan avatars. Regardless about if the c-store ship is a tier one thru six, the item should be open for cross faction usability.
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    meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    so, you guys just want a game with 1 faction, so every single thing you spend money on can be used by every character? could you be less realistic? this is a multi faction game, each faction is unique, thankfully. they all got thier own stuff, this deal with it.


    Where are you getting the idea from peeps want a game with only 1 faction?! I'm perfectly fine with 3. But, just like the 4 races in EVE Online, Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, and Minmatar, I want all our factions, however many they be, to be of more-or-less equal strength.

    In fact, as irony would have it, making 1 faction be ridiculously OP actually has the precise effect of having STO become 'a game with 1 faction.' And this for the simple reason you are, de facto, only left with a single sane choice: Roms. You can already witness the effects hereof with those CrtH boffs: natually ppl can 'choose' to be inferior, and only have 6% CrtH, or slot as many +2.0% CrtH boffs as they can and try and be competitive.
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    linyivelinyive Member Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    In fact, as irony would have it, making 1 faction be ridiculously OP actually has the precise effect of having STO become 'a game with 1 faction.' And this for the simple reason you are, de facto, only left with a single sane choice: Roms. You can already witness the effects hereof with those CrtH boffs: natually ppl can 'choose' to be inferior, and only have 6% CrtH, or slot as many +2.0% CrtH boffs as they can and try and be competitive.
    I agree. Its rather sad.

    Cryptic is so bent on upgrading the Romulans, and they have not addressed balancing issues with the Feds and KDF. "Star Trek: Online" has become "Romulans: Online".
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    dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    linyive wrote: »
    Actually, no.

    Since the Romulan faction is a cross faction-faction, I think it opens the door for allowing them to access everything in their alliance. Why pay for something twice?

    ah. here's a great example of cryptic bending over backward to give people the most for their money, despite there being 3 factions that are supposed to be separate. save for end game ships, a rom character has access to whatever you have bought for the other factions. to the point that its beyond reasonable, they have allowed you to use what you have bought anywhere.
    maicake716 wrote: »
    thats why the rommies got quad cannons too right? because each faction has their own stuff?

    umm, ya but they got plasma flavored. its an example of fairness that all factions have access to this cool, but unfortunately bad and limited to 1 weapon. you can even use your allies quad as well. to bad there is such a lack of content fairness for kdf though.



    you will complain about anything and be impossible to please if you consider there being 3 factions, in a game that revolves around different factions, as an elephant in the room. especially considering all the cross faction stuff roms have access too, and all the lock box cross faction stuff.
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    linyivelinyive Member Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    ah. here's a great example of cryptic bending over backward to give people the most for their money, despite there being 3 factions that are supposed to be separate. save for end game ships, a rom character has access to whatever you have bought for the other factions. to the point that its beyond reasonable, they have allowed you to use what you have bought anywhere.
    ...but, you are practically buying the same ship multiple times, so you can use it to play through the same endgame mechanics. If there was a sense of variety, your side of the argument would be valid.

    Are there faction specific reputation holdings? Borg, Tholian, and Romulan rep systems are available for all factions. Outside of a few minor differences, you are playing the same game mechanics with all factions.

    Within certain aspect of the game, the whole faction alignment logic doesn't even apply. Can a Federation officer fire on a Romulan or KDF officer on Defera, Drozana, New Romulous, or anywhere else? PvP makes up 0.01% of the game.

    Ortha (sp?) is 'currently' the only open world, which can be used for PvP war games.
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    maicake716maicake716 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    umm, ya but they got plasma flavored. its an example of fairness that all factions have access to this cool, but unfortunately bad and limited to 1 weapon. you can even use your allies quad as well. to bad there is such a lack of content fairness for kdf though.

    it also got to be a part of a set bonus while the feds/klinks didnt.

    yeah, well remember, cryptic and pwe care about the klinks and pvp...
    -rolls eyes-
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    Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
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    the1tiggletthe1tigglet Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    hungolya wrote: »
    So much this^

    Same here! Didn't listen at all. And when are the bonuses for the federation and kdf going to be out for their own versions of the singularity system so balance can be once and for all restored?
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    dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    linyive wrote: »
    ...but, you are practically buying the same ship multiple times, so you can use it to play through the same endgame mechanics. If there was a sense of variety, your side of the argument would be valid.

    Are there faction specific reputation holdings? Borg, Tholian, and Romulan rep systems are available for all factions. Outside of a few minor differences, you are playing the same game mechanics with all factions.

    Within certain aspect of the game, the whole faction alignment logic doesn't even apply. Can a Federation officer fire on a Romulan or KDF officer on Defera, Drozana, New Romulous, or anywhere else? PvP makes up 0.01% of the game.

    Ortha (sp?) is 'currently' the only open world, which can be used for PvP war games.


    then your arguing the game is to ship top heavy. given the ridged parameters ship stats can have, we get closer and closer to unique ships no longer being possible. but we arent there yet, though being similar on paper, this ship and the armatige have vastly different playstyles, and possible builds. of all the things that are cross faction, theres simply no justification for 1 faction using another factions ships, there there has to be rigidness. but they already partly bypass that even, with non faction lockbox ships.

    maybe pvp wont have such a low population when everyone realized how insane it is to grind for the best stuff, and only shoot the same computer opponents over and over again with better and better stuff. that the only sane reason to grind all that out is to make your ship the best it can be in pvp. when that day comes, they will develop pvp more, because more players are into it.
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    sirknotsirknot Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I look forward to trying this ship in the future. It would be nice to see a new Remus design (multi-class from sci - carrier).
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    lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Not sure about Cryptic's actual sales numbers, but I'm not sure this made much of a difference. After flying around today actively looking for the new warbirds, I spotted 4. 2 of them were the low level ones, so I have no idea if they were the free version or the paid version. The other 2 were the revamped carrier warbirds.

    Usually when a new ship comes out, space is flooded with them. I don't see that happening here. Better luck next time I guess?
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    farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    To me it was a good option other than a Mogai or T'Varo. To give the Romulans another tactical option. Thought it was good enough for what you had earlier. I was hoping for another skin or something for looks. But making it a carrier? I don't see how that would help much.

    This just stopped me from buying it. Since I plan on getting the Scimitar. And its already a carrier type ship. To me 1 carrier per character is enough. So I have no need for another carrier type after I get the Scimitar.
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    usscapitalusscapital Member Posts: 985 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    is this not a little unfair to the KDF and FED's ? as the ship's for them with the quad cannon's have no hanger ?
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    matixzonmatixzon Member Posts: 120 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    The fact that now any escort ship can get an hangar just because makes my wish they buff carriers to 3 hangars, and flight deck cruisers to 2, I mean, What's the point of a flight deck cruiser or escort carrier now that any new escort ship could have a hangar?
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    rgzarcherrgzarcher Member Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    then your arguing the game is to ship top heavy. given the ridged parameters ship stats can have, we get closer and closer to unique ships no longer being possible. but we arent there yet, though being similar on paper, this ship and the armatige have vastly different playstyles, and possible builds. of all the things that are cross faction, theres simply no justification for 1 faction using another factions ships, there there has to be rigidness. but they already partly bypass that even, with non faction lockbox ships.

    maybe pvp wont have such a low population when everyone realized how insane it is to grind for the best stuff, and only shoot the same computer opponents over and over again with better and better stuff. that the only sane reason to grind all that out is to make your ship the best it can be in pvp. when that day comes, they will develop pvp more, because more players are into it.

    I've spent around $200 so far between Fed, KDF and Rom, only played PvP a few times, hate it. PvE might be 'insane' as you put it, but I enjoy it, its relaxing after a day at work full of people...well, exactly like the entire PvP base...

    As for this ship, its a nitch role, a fast hit and run carrier, economized in comparison to the Scimitar, its easier to use and has an element of fun to it. Lets face it, the Scimitar is the mother of all sledge hammers, point it at something to make it die. This ship? You can either use fairly strong hanger pets to help with hit and run using Battle Cloak, or you can use repair drone pets to make a *very* tough little Warbird.

    Is it as tough as a Scimitar? No, but that's like comparing a Defiant to an Odyssey.
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    splitboysplitboy Member Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    maicake716 wrote: »
    it also got to be a part of a set bonus while the feds/klinks didnt.

    yeah, well remember, cryptic and pwe care about the klinks and pvp...
    -rolls eyes-

    Actualy i am quite happy about the fact that Quad cannons are no part of a set, as quads are a poor choice for anything else then basic PvE.

    Yes Quads are great for leveling a toon but as soon as my toons get to the Level to equip mk.XI DHC i replace em right away.

    About the 2p sets the Romulans have well yes some of those are rly nice and to have such (without weapons a part of) could make the choice to buy a None T5 Ship easier.

    as anyones Auntie, Cousin and there pet cat out levels any rank before Admiral anyway in a sneeze.

    P.S. Warbirds ain't OP actualy they rather on the lower end actualy.
    You get heavy nerfed on powerlevels just to have those shinnie singularity powers that almost no one is ever using at max Level as they lock you out of singularity Level gimping you in the process.

    Plus the cooldown is way to high and not to mention you get a global cooldown ontop of it. So rly? Singularity powers are over balanced so to speak.

    What makes the Warbirds shine is the fact that they ain't have those ridicules FED BOff and consol Layouts that to some degree the KDF has to choke on some of theire None Klingon ship.
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    symetreus69symetreus69 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Oh how ridiculous. Your lack of comprehension for this game is astounding. As someone who has spent a lot of money on this game in the past I can guarantor you I won't be spending anymore. Where is our decent C-Store Romulan Science ship or dedicated carrier? The sheer amount of tactical warbirds you throw out (understandable as you guys refuse to fix science in space to make it up to par with tactical) is obsurd. RRF needs more Eng an Sci shis not more tactical garbage and then re-purposing said garbage to make it sell better. Here's a tip: develop the ships people want rather than shove junk at us.
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    yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Congratulations Cryptic!
    Simply slapping a hangar bay on a new ship, to increase its sales is really creative. :rolleyes:
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    wazzagiowwazzagiow Member Posts: 769 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    meimeitoo wrote: »
    And so far as I'm concerned, it's the fact that they think they can just invalidate the (sometimes huge) investments ppl made in their toons, and then think those same ppl will just be perfectly fine with having to start all over again. Some ppl actually do. Not me.

    Ultimately, if you have 3 factions, and one day you invalidate 2 of them, just to favor Nr. 3, you wind up with a 2/3rd scoffed and p*ssed-off clientele. I say that's not merely an imploding business model, but just plain wrong.

    I swear your posting just for a laugh lol so thank you. yeah romulans have been in the game since ..................MAY 2013. so about 4 months and in that 4 months you've totally forgotten about the everything the federation got since launched in 2010. talk about spitting your dummy out! if any one should feel hard done by in any way it should be the kdf. you could say the romulans as they aren't a real faction(but that's a different point altogether)

    also in a previous post of yours. you don't have to spend money in this game just to get stuff. star trek online has one of the most generous f2p models going. in which if you can't afford the 'buy it right now price' the game also comes with the play longer, work harder but you can get it all for FREE price!!!
    so although cryptic/pwe want you to play as many characters as possible from the 2 factions and the romulan fRaction and they obviously want your money. they also have a route to not spending a penny and still getting everything you wanted.

    as a player that has 9 characters 8 I consider fully active. the feds have a reworked/new tutorial coming that's all theirs and not needed at all imo. but I can safely say my feds since the launch of sto have never been unloved by the dev team, they always came 1st with anything added to the game. in actual fact until lor launched in may(only 4 months ago) sto was a 1.5 faction game. it's now a 2.5 faction game. you'll have to live with the fact it's star trek online, not Starfleet online any more :eek:
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    ransom2375ransom2375 Member Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    jjumetley wrote: »
    "We've listened to your feedback and..."

    'Listened' my &*%#...

    The ship just didn't sell good enough.

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    usscapitalusscapital Member Posts: 985 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    wazzagiow wrote: »
    in actual fact until lor launched in may(only 4 months ago) sto was a 1.5 faction game. it's now a 2.5 faction game. you'll have to live with the fact it's star trek online, not Starfleet online any more :eek:

    it's not 2.5 factions it is 2 after the first so many missions is it not ? , then it is either side with the feds or kdf ?
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    captainjgeecaptainjgee Member Posts: 144 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    All Romulan ships are OP compared to Fed and KDF, and now a week old ships gets a hangar bay! :mad: The stench of desperation is unbearable.

    It's clear that Cryptic use the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition as a guide. Perhaps the Ferengi should add these rules.

    Rule 286 : If you flood the market you reduce your profits.

    Rule 287 : Don't appear desperate, it frightens the customers.

    Rule 288 : Variety leads to greeds which ultimately leads to profits .

    Rule 289 : Give the customer what they want, not what you think the customer wants.

    Rule 290 : Never ever upset your existing customers, once trust is lost you have to work twice as hard to get them back.
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    meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    wazzagiow wrote: »
    I swear your posting just for a laugh lol so thank you. yeah romulans have been in the game since ..................MAY 2013. so about 4 months and in that 4 months you've totally forgotten about the everything the federation got since launched in 2010. talk about spitting your dummy out!

    Yeah, no. Glad you got a laugh out of it; but, um, it's not about quantity, but about quality. Roms get ships, powers and traits that no other faction can match even remotely. So, who cares that the Federation has a 1,000 trinkets to choose from, when they're all vastly inferior!?
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    yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Rule 289 : Give the customer what they want, not what you think the customer wants.
    I don't think Cryptic realizes this one, Cryptic does rather the contrary.
    Rule 290 : Never ever upset your existing customers, once trust is lost you have to work twice as hard to get them back.
    Same as above IMO.
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    shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    bluegeek wrote: »
    I have to agree. Older ships are sadly way outdated and underpowered in comparison to ships like this. And that includes older C-Store ships.

    Every ship large enough to have it's own shuttlebay should get a hangar slot with an appropriate shuttlecraft in it. There's no reason not to, anymore.

    I've long advocated against the Defiant getting battle cloak, but with all of this power creep I no longer see any reason why it shouldn't -- along with every other KDF ship. At least everything in the C-Store and every Fleet version.

    We desperately need a "retuning" pass on older C-Store ships to make them worth flying.

    I for one highly agree and have been arguing that all ships capable of carrying any form of shuttle should have at least an option for one simple hangar bay, even if it can only launch 2 pets maximum at one time!!! Battle cloaks on other faction ships would eliminate one of the defining differences of going Romulan, so if it were to be made so than the Romulan's would have to have a distinctive difference in some area to compensate. IMO the defiant should lose the whole cloaking console and simply have the ability to cloak like a KDF ship considering the tiny ship is by no means OP an any way. I will admit the addition of a hangar to this particular escort is a bit overboard, when they could have simply given it a slight hull boost would have been a better choice or simply add a fleet version with the above mentioned hull increase. And yes older ships could use some reworking, but as we have all come to notice this game's hottest sellers are escorts or escort types. I won't argue that the ship is something I have been saving up for because it is a desirable escort for my Reman who makes good use from my Scimitar, but like all my toons I prefer to have an escort to go along with the large vessels I so enjoy using to make for a complete set.
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    toivatoiva Member Posts: 3,276 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Well done Cryptic.

    If there's not enough posts wanting to nerf a new ship, you slap a hangar bay on it. It was great the way it was (but lacked and still lacks a fleet version). You just can't do without power creep.

    It was on my 'to buy' list. Now I'm considering forgetting about it because of spite (and because I'm not a fan of slapping hangar bays on ships, see Vesta for instance).
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    Toi'Va, Ti'vath, Toivia, Ty'Vris, Tia Vex, Toi'Virth: Add Tier 6 KDF Carrier and Raider.
    Tae'Va, T'Vaya, To'Var, Tevra, T'Vira, To'Vrak: Give us Asylums for Romulans.

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    cidstormcidstorm Member Posts: 1,220 Arc User
    edited September 2013
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    starswordcstarswordc Member Posts: 10,963 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    All Romulan ships are OP compared to Fed and KDF, and now a week old ships gets a hangar bay! :mad: The stench of desperation is unbearable.

    It's clear that Cryptic use the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition as a guide. Perhaps the Ferengi should add these rules.

    Rule 286 : If you flood the market you reduce your profits.

    Rule 287 : Don't appear desperate, it frightens the customers.

    Rule 288 : Variety leads to greeds which ultimately leads to profits .

    Rule 289 : Give the customer what they want, not what you think the customer wants.

    Rule 290 : Never ever upset your existing customers, once trust is lost you have to work twice as hard to get them back.
    Well, there is Rule 57: "Good customers are almost as rare as latinum...Treasure them."
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    aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    bluegeek wrote: »
    I have to agree. Older ships are sadly way outdated and underpowered in comparison to ships like this. And that includes older C-Store ships.

    I call those 'the 2009 line' .
    Sadly when the Galaxy and the Odyssey retained their 2 Tac slots in it's Fleet version , the '2009 line' became the 2012-2013 lines .
    Every ship large enough to have it's own shuttlebay should get a hangar slot with an appropriate shuttlecraft in it. There's no reason not to, anymore.

    For a level headed poster such as yourself , the above equals a rage post !! ;)
    (seriously ! that be flipping tables right there ...)

    We desperately need a "retuning" pass on older C-Store ships to make them worth flying.

    Yeah ... .
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