Tactical Warbird Update

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The Ar'Kif Tactical Warbird Retrofit has become the Ar'Kif Tactical Carrier Warbird Retrofit. That's right! We've added a hangar bay to it. Read more for details.


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burstdragon323

I saw this yesterday, and I was appalled that this was happening.

The warbird already has arguably the most powerful plasma weapon in the game, capable of putting out 150,000 damage in the hands of a tactical captain, even more if you activate the singularity stabilizer to give the gauge a few more seconds.

I honestly believe that instead of this, we should have gotten a science warbird with 12+ turn and a hitbox and size that is not larger than a dreadnaught.

pwecangetlost

Out of curiosity, why has this been given the hangar? Wasn't it in line with the Defiant and the B'rel ships that each have the quad cannon, with this addition pushing that away from being the case?

jjumetley

"We've listened to your feedback and..."

'Listened' my &*%#...

The ship just didn't sell good enough.

hungolya

jjumetley wrote: »

"We've listened to your feedback and..."

'Listened' my &*%#...

The ship just didn't sell good enough.

So much this^

xiaoping88

The ammount of news this ship gets is getting ridiculous.
There is a FE down the road, so give us some true news! For two weeks I am only seeing stuff about this Tactical Warbird and trivialities.

ussultimatum

Well it did need something from a product differentiation standpoint, I'm not convinced that something was a hangar.

Here is what it still needs to be "competitive"

> fleet version

aquitaine985

jjumetley wrote: »

"We've listened to your feedback and..."

'Listened' my &*%#...

The ship just didn't sell good enough.

This +1 ...

suaveks

jjumetley wrote: »

"We've listened to your feedback and..."

'Listened' my &*%#...

The ship just didn't sell good enough.

QFT.


The D'deridex needs to be "more competitive" as well. Give it a hangar.

Heck, with the romulan frenzy going on most non-romulan ships need to be "more competitive". Let's start with the Galaxy, for example...

xiaoping88

Of course it didn't sell "well" enough.

My fear is: they will think it's because the Romulan hype is over and thusly scaling down their support for that faction - and the Romulans are in need of additional years of work to make them comparable to the other two factions.

Of course it's the absence of a fleet version and a good BOFF layout that makes those Warbirds relatively undesirable. But judging by the way Cryptic tackled those problems (with hangar bays), I don't think they are aware of the real issue at all... could also thinking it's because Romulans are losing their golden goose role.

Right now, I am thinking about buying this ship only to get them some sells...

suaveks

xiaoping88 wrote: »

and the Romulans are in need of additional years of work to make them comparable to the other two factions.

Lol what? The Romulans received more attention and devotion over the course of two months than the whole KDF faction over the course of three years. If anything needs work, it's the KDF. But we all know it won't happen because "nobody plays KDF".

It's like Playstation Vita - nobody buys it, because there's no new games, but there's no games, because not enough people own the system... Same with the KDF.

djconcentus

So, can I get a hangar bay on my Fleet Ambassador now because it 'isn't competitive enough' (in the minds of people who think 'competitive' means ALL THE DAMAGE)?

burstorion

suaveks wrote: »

It's like Playstation Vita - nobody buys it, because there's no new games, but there's no games, because not enough people own the system... Same with the KDF.

I play kdf and I have a vita...

enyinaya

Thanks for all your time in the update. Good ship...for some player out there.

Will not be getting one unfortunately, though that does not make any difference overall. Still love my Intrepid.

Edit: On the otherhand, I do remember Voyager was able to launch the Delta Flyer to assist in combat situations. Hint Hint!

alikain

What? Really! What going on here. Why does it need a hanger. So the game is going two ways now. If it not a carrier than its a tactical ship. Great job cryptic, just great. Now I feel like this game is losing it magic on me.

stirling191

Can we throw some more words into the name? Maybe a hyphen or two?

lan451

stirling191 wrote: »

Can we throw some more words into the name? Maybe a hyphen or two?

Don't forget more apostrophes. Everyone knows that more apostrophes makes names sound more alien. :P

beerxhyper

hey hey wait while we are at it my risa corvette needs a hanger i feel it is not competative enough or how about a hanger on my ha'apex advanced warbird hhmm hhmm <_< >_>

trhrangerxml

That Singularity Beam that the ship has is a dmg over time, not just a pulse of dmg, in an escort that can be problematic or in this case an escort with a shield penalty and a stock .9 shield mod suicidal. People complain that the Quad Cannons are useless at max level, the 4x dmg mod is THE weakest mod you could possibly add to a weapon and makes it virtually useless in PvP. The 2 piece set adds some acc, some weapons dmg, some plasma dmg but a shield penalty, plus you have to equip the console you have to hold still to use (death sentence for an escort) and Quad Cannons every one complains about anyways (and that also draw power from engines which most run at 15 power anyways). To really buff plasma dmg you really have to make sacrafices, 2 universal consoles, 3 fleet threat scaling consoles and 4 plasma tac consoles, the experimental beam or hyper torp and the Quad Cannnons; you would turn your self into a singularity core breach waiting to happen. Sure, huge damage potential on this ship and I would hate to be caught with my pants around the ankles by this ships Cloak Ambush/Alpha Stike/BO3, but this ship has plenty of weaknesses associated with it. Fighters are something to set it apart from the Mogai and the Dhelan, but it is not as OP as reduced power drain or 5 tac consoles with Lt.Cmdr Sci. If they are smart they will give this ship a 4th sci console or 3rd Engi so you can add some resistance for Fleet version.

This ship embodies sacrifice for offensive abilities and I'm sure it will be one of the first targets in a PvP match. Not to mention, most ppl don't know to recall fighters while they are cloaked so their fighters give their location away.

This ship is not OP.

dkratasco

So if the latest C-Store ship get update, what about updating older vessels and make them worth their cost?

jjumetley

suaveks wrote: »

Lol what? The Romulans received more attention and devotion over the course of two months than the whole KDF faction over the course of three years. If anything needs work, it's the KDF.

The last hi-end KDF ship was the Bortasqu' which was just after STO's 2nd Anniversary. There'a a 4th Anniversary in four months time. Not to mention there's only one (ONE!) KDF uniform in C-Store. Romulans already have three!

lan451

Okay I'll be honest, I find this all to be terribly amusing.

Cryptic Dev 1: "Guys. Hey guys, listen. We need more tactical warbirds for the faction that's already loaded down with tactical warbirds."

Cryptic Dev 2: "Hey yeah, that sounds good man."

Playerbase/Testers: "Meh. It's not a bad ship, but it's not a great one either. We already have better."

Cryptic Dev 1: "Oh man, that new tactical warbird for the faction that's loaded down with tactical warbirds isn't selling all that well. What do?"

Cryptic Dev 2: "Maybe we should rebalance the BOff seating like many of the testers said we should?"

Cryptic Dev 1: "Man, that takes time to do. Let's just slap a hangar bay on it and call it a day."

Cryptic Dev 2: "Oh hey that sounds even better. Let's do it."

Playerbase: "....."


Mmm, sorry 'bout that. That's the scenario that came to mind when I first read that they were going to refit the retrofit lol.

suaveks

dkratasco wrote: »

So if the latest C-Store ship get update, what about updating older vessels and make them worth their cost?

People interested in those older ships probably already bought them, while people interested in spending money on something would rather buy either a brand new "totally not op" Romulan ship or some Lock Box/Lobi vessel.

I mean, why buff something old, when you can release something new that's more powerful, thus more desirable?

markhawkman

suaveks wrote: »

Lol what? The Romulans received more attention and devotion over the course of two months than the whole KDF faction over the course of three years. If anything needs work, it's the KDF. But we all know it won't happen because "nobody plays KDF".

It's like Playstation Vita - nobody buys it, because there's no new games, but there's no games, because not enough people own the system... Same with the KDF.

lolwut? didn't the KDF get a bunch of new missions and a shiny new tutorial with the release of LoR?

jjumetley

And how often are you going to replay the tutorial or those few missions?

bluegeek

I have to agree. Older ships are sadly way outdated and underpowered in comparison to ships like this. And that includes older C-Store ships.

Every ship large enough to have it's own shuttlebay should get a hangar slot with an appropriate shuttlecraft in it. There's no reason not to, anymore.

I've long advocated against the Defiant getting battle cloak, but with all of this power creep I no longer see any reason why it shouldn't -- along with every other KDF ship. At least everything in the C-Store and every Fleet version.

We desperately need a "retuning" pass on older C-Store ships to make them worth flying.

stirling191

lan451 wrote: »

Okay I'll be honest, I find this all to be terribly amusing.

Cryptic Dev 1: "Guys. Hey guys, listen. We need more tactical warbirds for the faction that's already loaded down with tactical warbirds."

Cryptic Dev 2: "Hey yeah, that sounds good man."

Playerbase/Testers: "Meh. It's not a bad ship, but it's not a great one either. We already have better."

Cryptic Dev 1: "Oh man, that new tactical warbird for the faction that's loaded down with tactical warbirds isn't selling all that well. What do?"

Cryptic Dev 2: "Maybe we should rebalance the BOff seating like many of the testers said we should?"

Cryptic Dev 1: "Man, that takes time to do. Let's just slap a hangar bay on it and call it a day."

Cryptic Dev 2: "Oh hey that sounds even better. Let's do it."

Playerbase: "....."


Mmm, sorry 'bout that. That's the scenario that came to mind when I first read that they were going to refit the retrofit lol.

The sad thing is, that's just exactly what just happened.

maicake716

so its a super charged akira now?

theparanoid

xiaoping88 wrote: »

Of course it didn't sell "well" enough.

My fear is: they will think it's because the Romulan hype is over and thusly scaling down their support for that faction - and the Romulans are in need of additional years of work to make them comparable to the other two factions.

Of course it's the absence of a fleet version and a good BOFF layout that makes those Warbirds relatively undesirable. But judging by the way Cryptic tackled those problems (with hangar bays), I don't think they are aware of the real issue at all... could also thinking it's because Romulans are losing their golden goose role.

Right now, I am thinking about buying this ship only to get them some sells...

Hmm other two factions?

Really you really think the Romulan are worse off then KDF?

sorry but your wrong. The romulans have recieved way more attention and better polish faction then KDF


in fact if you look at where kdf was at season one and look at the romulan now. who there a HUGH different there.

xiaoping88

jjumetley wrote: »

And how often are you going to replay the tutorial or those few missions?

And the KDF got way, way WAY more ships to begin with.
It's own starbase, DOFF system, Honor Guard set etc. etc.
Romulans DO need more work - while I'll admit that they received much in the months since LoR.

Since they are my favorites, I hope they keep up the work and don't scale it down because of low sales of one redundant Warbird.

pwecangetlost

bluegeek wrote: »

I have to agree. Older ships are sadly way outdated and underpowered in comparison to ships like this. And that includes older C-Store ships.

Every ship large enough to have it's own shuttlebay should get a hangar slot with an appropriate shuttlecraft in it. There's no reason not to, anymore.

I've long advocated against the Defiant getting battle cloak, but with all of this power creep I no longer see any reason why it shouldn't -- along with every other KDF ship. At least everything in the C-Store and every Fleet version.

We desperately need a "retuning" pass on older C-Store ships to make them worth flying.

Or, they should have not just turned the power creep into a joke in the first place. :P But seriously, the older ships really need a retune; stats, models and textures all over the place. People may buy those rather than/ as well as the increasingly stupid power creeping ships.