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fredscarran
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Oh goody, I have to beg the fleet leaders again to get access to a fleet store. This doesn't exactly put me in the mood to donate to 'their' fleet. The only mood it puts me in is the 'log off and stop playing' mood.
Is it my imagination or is every single aspect of a MMO"RPG" designed to hinder roleplaying. I get more grief and competition (ore/spawn thieves) from people in my own faction than the supposed enemy faction.
Is it my imagination or is every single aspect of a MMO"RPG" designed to hinder roleplaying. I get more grief and competition (ore/spawn thieves) from people in my own faction than the supposed enemy faction.
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Some of us out there don't make people beg to buy stuff
If you're a recruit who contributes nothing you shouldn't even HAVE the fleet credits to NEED to buy stuff from the fleet stores....
A LOT of fleets are structured so that if you join their fleet you have to make a commitment to them(a-la fleet holding contribution) BEFORE you can be promoted to have access to their "goods."
So, OP.... don't like it? Find a fleet you ARE willing to contribute to... then you'll get access to all the little knickknacks you wanna buy.
a) Aren't willing to contribute, and/or b) Aren't willing to socialise generally don't belong in fleets.
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You are in the wrong fleet if you do...
you don't get it. The fleet system sucks no matter how much you want to polish this TRIBBLE.
No... your attitude is rather excremental, not the fleet system....
No.... The fleet system is taking everything that is wrong with a MMORPG Guild add-on and then multiplying it by 10.
Can you explain why you feel the need to bash fleets who are genuine and honestly looking for fun with fellow fleet members
Yes the system isn't perfect however there are many reasons to be in a fleet
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Was gonna offer you a invite to our fleet even thought we are a small fleet we don't charge or restrict for buying stuff from the fleet but due to your attitude I'm not surprised there restricting you. If you were in my fleet I would have booted you out with that attitude
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So who's bright idea was it to force me to beg from people like you?
Point #1: In a MMORPG players in your own faction are bigger enemies than players in an enemy faction.
Never said fleets were "ran poorly".
I said forcing me to beg from a complete stranger, a complete stranger in a "harvest your tears" MMORPG, at the whim and convenience of someone else, is just about one of the dumbest things ever.
No one is forcing you, you are forcing yourself, through your stubborn refusal to even attempt to integrate yourself with the fleet system. You should play alone, as your communication skills in this thread have demonstrated.
I do not want to be part of a fleet because I do not like the whole guild mechanic. That does not mean I am an asocial schmock, quite the contrary - I enjoy coop content and teaming up with people but I don't want to be "recruited" (the terminology alone is... ugh) by a guild or fleet or clan because a game I play in my spare time should not become something that binds me to anyone.
Especially if you consider that STO does in no way encourage you to join a fleet except for personal exclusive shinies. The game is entirely based around material strife and greed instead of content, adventure and exploration - you shouldn't be surprised that people react the way the OP does, since this is exactly the behaviour encouraged by STO - it's basically a huge single player itemgrinder with the best items being reserved for fleet members which in turn just sell their stuff at a higher value.
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What else is there for a fleet to do? Is it enough for you to simply be part of a conglomerate or do you require some sort of objective?
For the OP.
In my fleet, we hinder the first rank, YES... every fleet who has just the slightest bit of experience does this, to effectively block thieves and raiders. Anyone who does not do this, should have their bank emptied by a random person, who then leaves the fleet immediately... That usually happens on its own of cause.
Once we feel certain that a person will not just empty our bank and then go away, we grant permission to fleet resources. That takes everything between a day and never, depending on the person (a person who never talks to us, never gets access for example, a person that ASAP drops everything he has into the fleet projects seems a little more trustworthy).
Other fleets demand a certain level of contribution before advancement is granted, and others have a entry fee... It all depends on how the fleet structure is made, and to be somewhat blunt: As a new guy, you are not in a position to change that... and you don't have the right either.
You should start looking for a fleet with the privileges you are looking for... there is after all enough to chose from.
However, with the attitude you are showing, feel free to not apply for the fleet I am in.
This is pretty much it. In our fleet we restrict the first 2 ranks from stores, people who are part of the fleet and try to help out get access, people who don't simply can't buy stuff. The cost of gear in fleet credits and diltihium is only a tiny % of the actual cost to develop access to them it isn't fair for those that don't put any effort in.
Op has proven themselves as sitting in rank 1 already though.
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Did you help build that Fleet ? Contribute millions of resources to make it what it is ?
Did you help stock its stores ? contributing more resources to put those ships weapons and supplies on those shelves?
at a miminium contributition dont you realize some noob in your fleet could equip all of his bridge officers with elite weapons ,armor,Shields Buy 4 complete sets of weapons for his ship unless there is someone there to watch them so they dont overspend ?
If you had contributed milions of your own personal resources to build a starbase and stock it you would not let this happen either
you would want it to be used sensibily
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Regardless, if he dosen't want to work for items, under the same conditions everyone else does, I still don't want him.
So those that have some sort of social phobia or simply aren't partyhard motormouths don't deserve to have access to fleet gear. Got ya.
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Yea... that's not what he said.
No, players in your own faction are indifferent to you. The only affect other players generally have are impersonal and economic, just like real life.
The reason they become enemies is because you antagonize them. Just look at how well you did here.
I almost never chat or participate in Fleet events or gatherings. I'm still in a Fleet, I like the idea of contributing alongside a group of others for a greater purpose.
The only 'solution' I can see would be the removal of fleet provisions as a required resource. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
Given the inherent costs of the items themselves in fleet credits and dilithium, provisions on top of that may seem a bit redundant/excessive. The current system does also cause a certain element of elitism within most fleets as a side effect of needing to manage those easily-consumable provisions(it doesn't help that 'equipment provisions' are consumed by everything from starship shields to each individual ground weapon).
Conversely, having the fleet resource system gives fleets a continual goal to work towards(read: keeps people grinding loot treadmills). It also gives newer members a meaningful way to contribute to already well-established fleets.