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so forgive me if this has been a previous topic, but i found none in a cursory search.
it is my opinion that spiraling is a exploit. that is to say, that do to to the game design it is taking advantage of limited z axis to stay out of the weapons arc of your opponent.
after mentioning this to another player in ker'rat, it seems there are varying opinions on the matter, which is why i bring it to the community to get some sort of census on the matter.
if you agree or not, i would like to hear your opinions on the matter as i value them greatly. thanks in advance!! see you in game
edit: post thread; 1500 views and many comments shows me that there is some interest in this subject.
however after some helpful posts and a couple enlightening ones i may have to recant my previous statements and review my opinion on this matter, as the majority of you seem to feel, while it's rather annoying, it cannot be considered an exploit to spiral as it is part of the game design and working as intended.
i thank you all for your comments and opinions!
see you in game
it is my opinion that spiraling is a exploit. that is to say, that do to to the game design it is taking advantage of limited z axis to stay out of the weapons arc of your opponent.
after mentioning this to another player in ker'rat, it seems there are varying opinions on the matter, which is why i bring it to the community to get some sort of census on the matter.
if you agree or not, i would like to hear your opinions on the matter as i value them greatly. thanks in advance!! see you in game
edit: post thread; 1500 views and many comments shows me that there is some interest in this subject.
however after some helpful posts and a couple enlightening ones i may have to recant my previous statements and review my opinion on this matter, as the majority of you seem to feel, while it's rather annoying, it cannot be considered an exploit to spiral as it is part of the game design and working as intended.
i thank you all for your comments and opinions!
see you in game
i said i would drop the subject, but since some want to continue making ignorant posts such as the above quoted one, i will rant on.
the only post to clearly shoot down my original assumption is post #88. go ahead take a look, i'll wait. yes that post was by me. :P it's not an exploit, as it is believed to be working as intended. had posters #94 #92 #91 been bothered to actually read the thread, they would not have any need to post, as these things have already been covered.
however i will say this; spiraling is stupid. by spiraling you are only delaying the inevitable. i mean you are running for a reason after all. and hey, why not just log out? logging isn't an exploit. it's part of the game mechanics and working as intended, no?
this is not a flight sim. to even suggest that spiraling is akin to rolling scissors maneuver is just ignorance on your part. we cant do loops, barrel roll or use gravity to our advantage. provided we had auto locking cannons in space combat [which in game we do] that maneuver would get you killed. simple as that. that move is for aerial combat where gravity, air resistance, speed, g-force and the lack of 'smart bullets' all play factors.
as much as i want it to be, this game is not even a space sim. there is no need to roll in space. the only limiting factors to a turn in space would be; engine power to overcome inertia, and the human element. that is to say, how much rapid movement can a human withstand in such a short amount of time. the real word physics in this game are lacking if not nonexistent to say the least.
i have played with many pvp'ers and 99% of them don't spiral. it makes me wonder why. i'd like to think that, like me, they think it's a dumb aspect of the game and takes from the immersion. even *one trick pony* [yes i said that and don't pretend you don't know who i'm talking about] one of, if not the best hit and run pilot in the game, doesn't spiral. he just vapes you and runs. usually in an upward direction, but not spiraling.
anyway, nearing 3000 views, so i do believe this is a subject of interest for many. some i'm sure would agree with me, but have not posted for fear of being trolled. i for one don't care. troll away. i just ask that you have something intelligent to include, or at the very least something funny like mimey2's posts.
as to the usefulness of this thread, i say whether it's shown to be stupid or not, when somebody grumbles about spiraling, [and there will be others] you can just refer them here.
FYI i will be doing a lot of spiraling, especially when i'm outnumbered. just to make a point.
have fun all!! see you in game
Don't know why it says i'm an ARC user. i will never use that TRIBBLE Cryptic!
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Yeah, that's right.
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Really?
Going up is an exploit now?
Jesus...
Have you tried going up too? The only weapons tht have issue are dhc and dc everything else has a big enough arc to not matter.
-facepalm-
What's next? A sci ship using control powers will be called an exploit too? Oh wait.. Been there already..
Do you even Science Bro?
He is specifically talking about me. I killed him in Kerrat once tonight and he tried to alpha strike and kill me twice afterwards. Well, when I started taking heavy damage I hit a engine battery and evasive and spiraled downwards to keep his weapons off of a single facing so I could make my successful escape, which by the way I did. Twice I might add, so after the second time he starts calling me a exploiter and here we are. He went on and on about in it in zone as well as well as a certain poster a few posts above this. I told him all I did was outmaneuver him. But the QQ flowed all the way to the forums, LMFAO.
I look at the three posts above.. heck this entire thread and I have to laugh..
Now I'm not a fan of the whole "Spiraling up" Mechanic. But it is the game engine we've had since the game was first released. Heck back then you couldn't even HIT players with DHC/DCs because they could spiral out side of your arcs in such a way you couldn't even aim them up high enough to target them. THOSE days it may have been considered exploity..
The Development Staff then allowed the ships to be able to tilt just abit more up and down. Poof.. Solved most of the issues. Still has those moments with agile opponents, but it is not nearly as bad as it was before. To call it an exploit makes me think this whole thread and the three above are just trolling more then being serious.
Btw, just a little FYI I found out that some times helps when some one is spiraling up.. Cannon: Scatter Volley does seem to get a good extra up and down arcing and has an easier time following people higher up on Z. At least that has been my experience with it.
Oh and one more thing..
LOL Ker'rat Rage.
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
the topic is spiraling not going up. /double facepalm
don't go getting a big head now... there was a reason you ran and spiraled and eventually cloaked. but that is not the topic and quite frankly it wasn't about you mister
p.s. u weren't the only one shooting at me...
this is not a valid opinion...
so you say it's a mechanic, not a skill or technique i gather. also you're not a fan. thank you for your opinion
I use vertical arc to avoid fire myself - do a 180, zip over the top of the enemy, and keep circling upwards. It really helps to avoid the worst of things.
It is understandably frustrating - but it is simply part of the game's mechanics, free for all to use, working as intended, and thus not an exploit.
Edit: Oh, but I certainly wouldn't mind full 3D flight - although it would certainly make things a tad confusing.
BC is far more of an auto escape option then spiraling. At least the guy doing it is still visible
that is a valid point thank you. for me the lack of a vertical axis take away form immersion.
it's also my opinion it's taking advantage of the game mechanics put in place. i.e. exloiting poor game design.
2) Is moving out of arc an exploit?
Well of course this is a space game. Space should be full 360 degrees of freedom. We simply use the tools that we are given by the game developers. Sorry that you feel that you have to have a rage thread against it. I mean if you feel so venomously about the mechanic, there are other games out there.. right?
Think about this:
American Football has been in open beta for 144 years. ~Kotaku
http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/spiral
Educate yourself.
And just incase you don't-
verb (spirals, spiraling, spiraled Footballspirals, spiralling, spiralled)
1 [no object] move in a spiral course:
a wisp of smoke spiraled up from the trees
[with object] cause to have a spiral shape or follow a spiral course:
spiral the bandage around the injured limb
2 [no object] show a continuous and dramatic increase:
inflation continued to spiral
(as adjective spiraling)
he needed to relax after the spiraling tensions of the day
(spiral down/downward) decrease or deteriorate continuously:
he expects the figures to spiral down further
To spiraling is up and spiral down is down.
Do you even Science Bro?
not sure where u see rage... i'm merely getting peoples opinions on the matter.
winding in a continuous and gradually widening (or tightening) curve, either around a central point on a flat plane or about an axis so as to form a cone:
thanks for the education ^^
maybe you can point out where it says 'going up' is spiraling and or where it has anything to do with this game.
2 [no object] show a continuous and dramatic increase:
inflation continued to spiral
(as adjective spiraling)
he needed to relax after the spiraling tensions of the day
(spiral down/downward) decrease or deteriorate continuously:
he expects the figures to spiral down further
Increase is the keyword. You increase altitude in the game when spiraling and decrease altitude when you spiral down.
Do you even Science Bro?
hmmm it seems you are picking things out of a sentence and making it mean what you want. sounds like you need to read it more and educate yourself ^^ j\s snip/ EITHER around a CENTRAL point on a FLAT plane OR about AN AXIS so as to form a cone:snip
in any case, yes it is true that u can go up while spiraling and you can go down while spiraling. or, you and stay in a flat plain and spiral. yet your posts show neither an opinion or a valid point and has nothing to do with my request in the OP.
Only if Arc is mandatory to install in the future. :P
HA!! nice touch.
so judging by your response, you feel it's ok to spiral as it's the natural thing to do? was that the OPINION i am to gather from this post?
Cryptic isnt going to change the game engine so opinions on the matter are moot.
To call it an exploit is down right poor sportsmanship.
Do you even Science Bro?
it seems some people don't understand my intentions or what i was trying to say, so i have highlighted the key portions for better understanding.
the purpose of this thread is to find out if i need to change my stance on the matter by a simple polling method. your OPINIONS matter to me and are greatly appreciated. thank you.
Poor soul didnt have time to log out.
So because you have a hang up on ships being more maneuverable then you, you call it an exploit then ask the community to convince you that it isn't?
Guilty until proven innocent eh?
There are ways to "counter" this.
Also, polls aren't allowed in the terms of service.
Do you even Science Bro?