exactly and things being overpriced 20 million for 7 items , 6 fleet weapons and 1 drone ship kdf side , now 10 million which me and 2 others from my fleet would have payed for using the starbase for 5 mins , shows you the charecter of a fleet , the fed fleet i am in does not require payment to use our fully upgraded facilities
ahh the price will increase huh then why buy from your fleet? only reason before was for the reasonable price of 10 million , if your gonna up it to that of other greedy fleets i should just buy from them
Because they are one of the few (maybe the only one for that matter) fleets that have all the gear unlocked on KDF side. No one is forcing you to buy from them. As a 'consumer', you can shop around and find another KDF that is willing to give you access for less. Just because you think HOBO is too expensive isn't a fault of thiers.
right i checked your store many times and it says nothing about raising prices , and me and a few friends have sent requests to buy things thru the contact us option with no one contacting us back
In what world do you live in where prices of goods and services stay the same forever? Even stuff on the exchange fluctuates, sometimes wildly for some items.
Ahh i see so less then a few hours you price hike your access for items to 20 million well played with not having said you were gonna till a few hours to go
Why do they need to 'announce' a change in price? If you see an item on the exchange at a certain price, can you guarantee one will always be available at that price? Do sellers suddenly announce that they are going to raise prices?
I am not a member of HOBO, but I don't see any reason to berate them for charging what they charge for access. If you think a retail store is too expensive, just go shop somewhere else. Same thing applies here. Doesn't mean that store should be ashamed of charging what they charge.
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yes it is a fault in theirs when they advertise they are the first and that it only costs 10 million then a few hours from it coming up they say the price doubled
and i find you saying shop elsewhere to be foolish i contacted them 3 weeks ago about buying items and then 2 weeks ago and then 1 week ago and now they doubled there price i finaly get contacted back
i am also pointing out the fact that all there claims for being the first best and cheapest are all lies , and yes i am currently shopping around other fleets and to lower members of HOBO who would like to earn 10 million to invite me to their star base
And its one thing for them to change their prices they can do that but to advertise its 10 million for fleet pets and all items then to change it the day they are putting out what others were waiting for to be shameful and show how the fleet treats others who tried to support them
and i find you saying shop elsewhere to be foolish i contacted them 3 weeks ago about buying items and then 2 weeks ago and then 1 week ago and now they doubled there price i finaly get contacted back
How is shopping elsewhere foolish?
And if you don't like the way they do business, don't buy from them. Ever heard the term 'prices subject to change'? Did they actually agree to give you (yes specifically YOU) access for 10 mill and then change the terms of the agreement? Sounds like this is not the case.
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And if you don't like the way they do business, don't buy from them. Ever heard the term 'prices subject to change'? Did they actually agree to give you (yes specifically YOU) access for 10 mill and then change the terms of the agreement? Sounds like this is not the case.
Nothing like the Fanatics of Capitalism, always with the excuses when the powerful use that to mess with others.
There are many who specifically saved up for the advertized price of ten million, I know some. When you set it up so people save up for it, then at the last minute jack up you prices that's cruel and unethical especially after all the work and sacrifice people went to to meet the advertized.
My suggestion is starting a boycott of HOBO and its spinoff over it unethical move. Wait a month or two and other more Ethical Fleets will have them too. Let HOBO make nothing.
I hope the Developers see how toxic the Fleet System is becoming.
Wait are people seriously complaining over a fleet selling their items that they worked towards at a certain price to other people who couldn't keep up?
Good luck with your boycott. As long as they have a corner on the market, people will buy it. People want the best stuff, even more so in a video game where making virtual money is incredibly simple and just takes a little bit of time. You will see overall prices drop as more and more fleets unlock everything as well because the fleets will be competing with one another for sales.
Unless people actually gets scammed meaning they took money and didn't give you product, people will buy the product. If they took half your money and then said oh by the way the price is now double, then you might have a point. If they simply doubled the price because they realized they could sell it for more then that's just business.
the sad thing was they never had a corner on the market except in price , all other fleets sell at 20 million or more , they cornered it by selling at half the price making me and many more willing to pay 10 million a pop for 1 item to just a few
now other fleets like Massive who had this all before them were advertising 25 million but they didint change prices or cause ill will other then aww i dont have enough , but they just lowered theirs to 20 million so the boycott can happen seeing there is no benefit at all for supporting HOBO by paying them 20 million when all others have same price and didint cause ill will to people waiting to buy items
From a more economic standpoint HOBO would be fools to lower the price for a better product than the competitor has for a lesser product. Once more KDF fleets ding T5 the price will then begin to go down as those fleets will want customers and HOBO will then lower the price to market standard as the standard drops. It is what it is, and many on the exchange has no clue by selling for 1/2 of what the competion does rather than the same and I think some of those are making complaints that HOBO are not as dumb as them.
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the sad thing was they never had a corner on the market except in price , all other fleets sell at 20 million or more , they cornered it by selling at half the price making me and many more willing to pay 10 million a pop for 1 item to just a few
now other fleets like Massive who had this all before them were advertising 25 million but they didint change prices or cause ill will other then aww i dont have enough , but they just lowered theirs to 20 million so the boycott can happen seeing there is no benefit at all for supporting HOBO by paying them 20 million when all others have same price and didint cause ill will to people waiting to buy items
Its up to you whether to buy or not, but please stop spamming our thread.In the meantime I will get back to enjoying my elite pets:cool:
see the 'our store' page on the website for this kind of information. it also features a countdown timer to let you know when the pets are available (currently 35 hours).
be aware that the 10m price will increase once the pets are available in the store.
The very next post is the one in which you began to protest the increase before it had yet happened.
Other KDF fleets (and KDF-allied Romulan fleets) exist; few are at the top tier in everything. Maybe you could join one of those and help it get to top tier, and then be satisfied that you worked for what you got (of course, this will cost you more in the long run ...). I wonder which would take longer, getting a fleet maxed out or raising 20 million EC. Somehow, I think it would be raising 20 million EC.
Having said this, I do think the cost is rather steep, but if others are willing and able to pay it (and apparently, they are, and have been paying that amount to other fleets), then a small number of people complaining about HoBO raising their prices to the same as those of other fleets is most unlikely to have any desirable effect.
From a more economic standpoint HOBO would be fools to lower the price for a better product than the competitor has for a lesser product. Once more KDF fleets ding T5 the price will then begin to go down as those fleets will want customers and HOBO will then lower the price to market standard as the standard drops. It is what it is, and many on the exchange has no clue by selling for 1/2 of what the competion does rather than the same and I think some of those are making complaints that HOBO are not as dumb as them.
true you think selling at the high price is smart economically but if you sell 20 million a pop , you lose out to the bigger player base who there will be more of who wont think twice at buying at 10 million a pop , its basicly how big corporations win like wallmart over the small stores , they sell alot more at a cheaper price.
Its up to you whether to buy or not, but please stop spamming our thread.In the meantime I will get back to enjoying my elite pets:cool:
not spamming im having a open conversation in the public forums you may not like it but that is your choice as is mine to speak my mind within the terms of this forums rules.
Yes, and before you got your invite, it was stated that the prices would increase:
The very next post is the one in which you began to protest the increase before it had yet happened.
Other KDF fleets (and KDF-allied Romulan fleets) exist; few are at the top tier in everything. Maybe you could join one of those and help it get to top tier, and then be satisfied that you worked for what you got (of course, this will cost you more in the long run ...). I wonder which would take longer, getting a fleet maxed out or raising 20 million EC. Somehow, I think it would be raising 20 million EC.
Having said this, I do think the cost is rather steep, but if others are willing and able to pay it (and apparently, they are, and have been paying that amount to other fleets), then a small number of people complaining about HoBO raising their prices to the same as those of other fleets is most unlikely to have any desirable effect.
yes they advertised they were gonna get done with it sense the 26th saying repeatedly for pricing go to there websites store i have been there a few times and it said 10 million for hanger pets and all items except fleet ships , now last day they change it to 20 million thats as bad as cryptic with there promises , and i point out HOBO because they repeatedly said they care more about there reputation then having unhappy customers
exactly they did it for themselves and its a added way of paying for future supplies and recouping costs by having people pay a fee , im not denying the point of a fee , i am however speaking to the shameful practice of price hiking in the last few hours before it was ready after stating on there own website that prices will be 10 million for fleet weapons deflectors shields hanger pets etc , with one line saying fleet hanger pets will not be available till T5 com array is completed
and i tried many times to contact them about buying items from them for the 10 million
but i do see some of the members of HOBO are decent seeing one invited me to there starbase to buy items for 10 million just 5 mins ago
I my self and only my self have completed tier 2 star base be for i started to add any body.
As of right now i have a little bit under 100 members.We are currently working tier 4 but in the mist of completing tier three up grades.
Bye the time i started to add any body i was half way threw the tier 3 projects.
I have been building the star base since the start of the star base build since day one it took one person with many chars/toons to complete tier one in one month it is not that hard.
Best place other then exchange to get common doffs is at the star base in the bank room.These are in packs of one and you can collect up to 50.For me it was cheaper to bye them with fleet credits then spend tons of energy credits on Fleet doff packs.And i made tons of EC bye selling the extra doffs on exchange.
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I my self and only my self have completed tier 2 star base be for i started to add any body.
As of right now i have a little bit under 100 members.We are currently working tier 4 but in the mist of completing tier three up grades.
Bye the time i started to add any body i was half way threw the tier 3 projects.
I have been building the star base since the start of the star base build since day one it took one person with many chars/toons to complete tier one in one month it is not that hard.
Best place other then exchange to get common doffs is at the star base in the bank room.These are in packs of one and you can collect up to 50.For me it was cheaper to bye them with fleet credits then spend tons of energy credits on Fleet doff packs.And i made tons of EC bye selling the extra doffs on exchange.
i have to say that is a great accomplishment for you to do mostly on your own , Fed fleet i am in is done and we are focused on the KDF with tier 5 shipyard done and tier 4 engineering and tier 3 science , we will get there and even tho that HOBO member gave me access to get the items i wanted badly i will keep donating to my fleets to help others
Nothing like the Fanatics of Capitalism, always with the excuses when the powerful use that to mess with others.
There are many who specifically saved up for the advertized price of ten million, I know some. When you set it up so people save up for it, then at the last minute jack up you prices that's cruel and unethical especially after all the work and sacrifice people went to to meet the advertized.
My suggestion is starting a boycott of HOBO and its spinoff over it unethical move. Wait a month or two and other more Ethical Fleets will have them too. Let HOBO make nothing.
I hope the Developers see how toxic the Fleet System is becoming.
true you think selling at the high price is smart economically but if you sell 20 million a pop , you lose out to the bigger player base who there will be more of who wont think twice at buying at 10 million a pop , its basicly how big corporations win like wallmart over the small stores , they sell alot more at a cheaper price.
not spamming im having a open conversation in the public forums you may not like it but that is your choice as is mine to speak my mind within the terms of this forums rules.
yes they advertised they were gonna get done with it sense the 26th saying repeatedly for pricing go to there websites store i have been there a few times and it said 10 million for hanger pets and all items except fleet ships , now last day they change it to 20 million thats as bad as cryptic with there promises , and i point out HOBO because they repeatedly said they care more about there reputation then having unhappy customers
You nailed it.
For the record my problem is with the last minute price change of hobo, not with the actual price, although it is silly high given that the ec cap for silver players is 10 million ec.
Notice that massively isn't getting bashed?
Its because they didn't bait and switch at the last minute.
I wonder who the next kdf fleet getting to sci 5 will be, whose the closest?
more will be finishing soon enough but i know massivly has been upfront about what they have and the prices and even lowered there prices, if you want elite items people i suggest this link it will help you out and they even have discounts to groups on a case by case basis
Oh, yes, I know. I'm pretty sure that I've put more than 20 million into the fleet my Orion is in (not HoBO, btw, although it should be obvious by now that I have nothing against HoBO, and in fact, I also have a close friend in that fleet).
Ahh i see so less then a few hours you price hike your access for items to 20 million well played with not having said you were gonna till a few hours to go
and you keep saying your the most comprehensive KDF fleet in sto yet were many months behind other fleets and now charge the same and more then some , but now that i see the last min money grab it is shameful that a fleet that thinks so highly of itself has done something like this
its never been claimed that we are the furthest advanced fleet in sto. but we are indeed the furthest advanced fleet in the kdf.
the sad thing was they never had a corner on the market except in price , all other fleets sell at 20 million or more , they cornered it by selling at half the price making me and many more willing to pay 10 million a pop for 1 item to just a few
now other fleets like Massive who had this all before them were advertising 25 million but they didint change prices or cause ill will other then aww i dont have enough , but they just lowered theirs to 20 million so the boycott can happen seeing there is no benefit at all for supporting HOBO by paying them 20 million when all others have same price and didint cause ill will to people waiting to buy items
no other kdf fleet can sell you t5 ships, t5 weapons, t3 embassy, AND t5 pets. we created our corner of the market by being the first kdf fleet to offer these items to the faction. we were first to t3 ships and t3 weapons and kept the momentum going. the only thing that we didnt offer first was t5 pets, which incidentally is the only thing i know of that massively has available.
more will be finishing soon enough but i know massivly has been upfront about what they have and the prices and even lowered there prices, if you want elite items people i suggest this link it will help you out and they even have discounts to groups on a case by case basis
one last thing to note before hopefully putting all this store discussion to bed for good: the only persons that have not received followup to their mails are fed fleets looking to wheel and deal. if anyone has sent mail asking about the store they have either had their question answered, referred to somebody that can do something for them, or dealt with by myself.
the webpage has always been very clear that t5 pets were not available at the 10m fee. everybody that i came in contact with was warned (even within this thread) that the fee would increase once the pets became available.
its never been claimed that we are the furthest advanced fleet in sto. but we are indeed the furthest advanced fleet in the kdf.
no other kdf fleet can sell you t5 ships, t5 weapons, t3 embassy, AND t5 pets. we created our corner of the market by being the first kdf fleet to offer these items to the faction. we were first to t3 ships and t3 weapons and kept the momentum going. the only thing that we didnt offer first was t5 pets, which incidentally is the only thing i know of that massively has available.
so 20m is a fair price to pay for pets only, but 20 is totally unreasonable for a full t5 store. im not sure i follow, but have a nice life anyway.
Massivly beat you to it so wrong on the first count , there were 2 others too , my fleet has access to T5 ships which we dont charge for , and your still not getting the point , you shamefully lied about your prices jacking them up the last day , your page before it was edited now yesterday said hanger pets and items for 10 million but that your T5 science was not done yet
one last thing to note before hopefully putting all this store discussion to bed for good: the only persons that have not received followup to their mails are fed fleets looking to wheel and deal. if anyone has sent mail asking about the store they have either had their question answered, referred to somebody that can do something for them, or dealt with by myself.
the webpage has always been very clear that t5 pets were not available at the 10m fee. everybody that i came in contact with was warned (even within this thread) that the fee would increase once the pets became available.
What about me and my 2 Fleetmates who contacted your website thru the contact us option , and yet again another lie it did say at the 10 million price but that it was not done yet and nothing about the price going up , you should really look at your web page more
no other kdf fleet can sell you t5 ships, t5 weapons, t3 embassy, AND t5 pets. we created our corner of the market by being the first kdf fleet to offer these items to the faction. we were first to t3 ships and t3 weapons and kept the momentum going. the only thing that we didnt offer first was t5 pets, which incidentally is the only thing i know of that massively has available.
Hobos are correct in that they have everything available now, and they are the only ones.
The Massive does not sell fleet ships on either fed or kdf. It is a fleet choice that we made to not deal with the issues of fleet invites, provisions, etc. Hobos are the only KDF fleet I know that do sell ships.
The Massive KDF currently has t5 pets and t3 embassy. In 5 days we will have t5 weapons, which will make our nonship offerings exactly the same as hobos. So yes Hobos were first to market with all nonship offerings by 5 days. However, we have a fed base too...
The Massive FED currently has t3 embassy. In less than 12 hours we will have t5 pets, and two weeks after we will have t5 weapons. We do offer an account option that includes fed+kdf.
Hobos are correct in that they have everything available now, and they are the only ones.
The Massive does not sell fleet ships on either fed or kdf. It is a fleet choice that we made to not deal with the issues of fleet invites, provisions, etc. Hobos are the only KDF fleet I know that do sell ships.
The Massive KDF currently has t5 pets and t3 embassy. In 5 days we will have t5 weapons, which will make our nonship offerings exactly the same as hobos. So yes Hobos were first to market with all nonship offerings by 5 days. However, we have a fed base too...
The Massive FED currently has t3 embassy. In less than 12 hours we will have t5 pets, and two weeks after we will have t5 weapons. We do offer an account option that includes fed+kdf.
if you do not stop advertising your store in our thread, i am going to start giving away invites for free.
From a more economic standpoint HOBO would be fools to lower the price for a better product than the competitor has for a lesser product. Once more KDF fleets ding T5 the price will then begin to go down as those fleets will want customers and HOBO will then lower the price to market standard as the standard drops. It is what it is, and many on the exchange has no clue by selling for 1/2 of what the competion does rather than the same and I think some of those are making complaints that HOBO are not as dumb as them.
im sorry to be blunt ..but if u speak from an economic point of view u should be fired from ur job...like now! :eek:
i deal with economic every day in real life..and what hobo did is anything but smart..they were followed by spectre on fed side..massive kdf style on this side ..and god knows who else..
all of the above including hobo can make a killing selling pets for 10mil ..many times over for charging 20 mil.....massive kdf were the only smart fleet giving also a 50mil account access for us with many toons..
and just to make it crystal clear...most rich players out there have multiple toons.
just a show of example how 10mil is better then 20 from real life :
microsoft , apple ( at first ) , google ( with smartphones) -> all followed the basic rule of selling.....first get a hold of ur market ..then u can raise the price..
companies that didnt follow that lost or loosing the market...IBM lost vs microsoft ...apple almost went bankrupt in 2003 vs microsoft as well ( apple was cheap at first ) , and soon to be apple loosing smartphone ground vs google's android .
and there are many more examples.
at 20mil ..most players will think a lot b4 getting the pets..and ull end up with people paying more .but a small number of people .
with 10mil u gonna have a blackfriday of people coming to u , who cant dish out 10mil .
oh im sure non of u would listen ..economy lamens never do ..and thus ull end up like spectre guys
having to yell on all chat zones that u sell a pet store for 5mil cause nobody would come near u cause they think u just a bunch of ripoffs .
same goes for apple that except in US maybe is holding now just 25% tops of the smartphone market...
have fun with that .
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im too rich to care bout that stuff..if i need it i will pay even the 20mil ( and i got 5 toons atleast that need pets on the kdf side ) , so im not vested in what i wrote on the above , just laughing my ars off another oh so predictable human behavior.
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Because they are one of the few (maybe the only one for that matter) fleets that have all the gear unlocked on KDF side. No one is forcing you to buy from them. As a 'consumer', you can shop around and find another KDF that is willing to give you access for less. Just because you think HOBO is too expensive isn't a fault of thiers.
In what world do you live in where prices of goods and services stay the same forever? Even stuff on the exchange fluctuates, sometimes wildly for some items.
Why do they need to 'announce' a change in price? If you see an item on the exchange at a certain price, can you guarantee one will always be available at that price? Do sellers suddenly announce that they are going to raise prices?
I am not a member of HOBO, but I don't see any reason to berate them for charging what they charge for access. If you think a retail store is too expensive, just go shop somewhere else. Same thing applies here. Doesn't mean that store should be ashamed of charging what they charge.
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and i find you saying shop elsewhere to be foolish i contacted them 3 weeks ago about buying items and then 2 weeks ago and then 1 week ago and now they doubled there price i finaly get contacted back
i am also pointing out the fact that all there claims for being the first best and cheapest are all lies , and yes i am currently shopping around other fleets and to lower members of HOBO who would like to earn 10 million to invite me to their star base
And its one thing for them to change their prices they can do that but to advertise its 10 million for fleet pets and all items then to change it the day they are putting out what others were waiting for to be shameful and show how the fleet treats others who tried to support them
How is shopping elsewhere foolish?
And if you don't like the way they do business, don't buy from them. Ever heard the term 'prices subject to change'? Did they actually agree to give you (yes specifically YOU) access for 10 mill and then change the terms of the agreement? Sounds like this is not the case.
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Nothing like the Fanatics of Capitalism, always with the excuses when the powerful use that to mess with others.
There are many who specifically saved up for the advertized price of ten million, I know some. When you set it up so people save up for it, then at the last minute jack up you prices that's cruel and unethical especially after all the work and sacrifice people went to to meet the advertized.
My suggestion is starting a boycott of HOBO and its spinoff over it unethical move. Wait a month or two and other more Ethical Fleets will have them too. Let HOBO make nothing.
I hope the Developers see how toxic the Fleet System is becoming.
Good luck with your boycott. As long as they have a corner on the market, people will buy it. People want the best stuff, even more so in a video game where making virtual money is incredibly simple and just takes a little bit of time. You will see overall prices drop as more and more fleets unlock everything as well because the fleets will be competing with one another for sales.
Unless people actually gets scammed meaning they took money and didn't give you product, people will buy the product. If they took half your money and then said oh by the way the price is now double, then you might have a point. If they simply doubled the price because they realized they could sell it for more then that's just business.
now other fleets like Massive who had this all before them were advertising 25 million but they didint change prices or cause ill will other then aww i dont have enough , but they just lowered theirs to 20 million so the boycott can happen seeing there is no benefit at all for supporting HOBO by paying them 20 million when all others have same price and didint cause ill will to people waiting to buy items
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Its up to you whether to buy or not, but please stop spamming our thread.In the meantime I will get back to enjoying my elite pets:cool:
Yes, and before you got your invite, it was stated that the prices would increase:
The very next post is the one in which you began to protest the increase before it had yet happened.
Other KDF fleets (and KDF-allied Romulan fleets) exist; few are at the top tier in everything. Maybe you could join one of those and help it get to top tier, and then be satisfied that you worked for what you got (of course, this will cost you more in the long run ...). I wonder which would take longer, getting a fleet maxed out or raising 20 million EC. Somehow, I think it would be raising 20 million EC.
Having said this, I do think the cost is rather steep, but if others are willing and able to pay it (and apparently, they are, and have been paying that amount to other fleets), then a small number of people complaining about HoBO raising their prices to the same as those of other fleets is most unlikely to have any desirable effect.
true you think selling at the high price is smart economically but if you sell 20 million a pop , you lose out to the bigger player base who there will be more of who wont think twice at buying at 10 million a pop , its basicly how big corporations win like wallmart over the small stores , they sell alot more at a cheaper price.
not spamming im having a open conversation in the public forums you may not like it but that is your choice as is mine to speak my mind within the terms of this forums rules.
yes they advertised they were gonna get done with it sense the 26th saying repeatedly for pricing go to there websites store i have been there a few times and it said 10 million for hanger pets and all items except fleet ships , now last day they change it to 20 million thats as bad as cryptic with there promises , and i point out HOBO because they repeatedly said they care more about there reputation then having unhappy customers
Completing all the fleet holdings costs much more than 20 million EC. See phyrexianhero's post:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=620201
exactly they did it for themselves and its a added way of paying for future supplies and recouping costs by having people pay a fee , im not denying the point of a fee , i am however speaking to the shameful practice of price hiking in the last few hours before it was ready after stating on there own website that prices will be 10 million for fleet weapons deflectors shields hanger pets etc , with one line saying fleet hanger pets will not be available till T5 com array is completed
and i tried many times to contact them about buying items from them for the 10 million
but i do see some of the members of HOBO are decent seeing one invited me to there starbase to buy items for 10 million just 5 mins ago
As of right now i have a little bit under 100 members.We are currently working tier 4 but in the mist of completing tier three up grades.
Bye the time i started to add any body i was half way threw the tier 3 projects.
I have been building the star base since the start of the star base build since day one it took one person with many chars/toons to complete tier one in one month it is not that hard.
Best place other then exchange to get common doffs is at the star base in the bank room.These are in packs of one and you can collect up to 50.For me it was cheaper to bye them with fleet credits then spend tons of energy credits on Fleet doff packs.And i made tons of EC bye selling the extra doffs on exchange.
i have to say that is a great accomplishment for you to do mostly on your own , Fed fleet i am in is done and we are focused on the KDF with tier 5 shipyard done and tier 4 engineering and tier 3 science , we will get there and even tho that HOBO member gave me access to get the items i wanted badly i will keep donating to my fleets to help others
You nailed it.
For the record my problem is with the last minute price change of hobo, not with the actual price, although it is silly high given that the ec cap for silver players is 10 million ec.
Notice that massively isn't getting bashed?
Its because they didn't bait and switch at the last minute.
I wonder who the next kdf fleet getting to sci 5 will be, whose the closest?
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=730961
Oh, yes, I know. I'm pretty sure that I've put more than 20 million into the fleet my Orion is in (not HoBO, btw, although it should be obvious by now that I have nothing against HoBO, and in fact, I also have a close friend in that fleet).
no other kdf fleet can sell you t5 ships, t5 weapons, t3 embassy, AND t5 pets. we created our corner of the market by being the first kdf fleet to offer these items to the faction. we were first to t3 ships and t3 weapons and kept the momentum going. the only thing that we didnt offer first was t5 pets, which incidentally is the only thing i know of that massively has available.
so 20m is a fair price to pay for pets only, but 20 is totally unreasonable for a full t5 store. im not sure i follow, but have a nice life anyway.
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the webpage has always been very clear that t5 pets were not available at the 10m fee. everybody that i came in contact with was warned (even within this thread) that the fee would increase once the pets became available.
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Massivly beat you to it so wrong on the first count , there were 2 others too , my fleet has access to T5 ships which we dont charge for , and your still not getting the point , you shamefully lied about your prices jacking them up the last day , your page before it was edited now yesterday said hanger pets and items for 10 million but that your T5 science was not done yet
What about me and my 2 Fleetmates who contacted your website thru the contact us option , and yet again another lie it did say at the 10 million price but that it was not done yet and nothing about the price going up , you should really look at your web page more
but to all i suggest you find another fleet like massivly http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=730961
I had only tried to contact this fleet because of the price why not it was the cheapest but now no longer is
Hobos are correct in that they have everything available now, and they are the only ones.
The Massive does not sell fleet ships on either fed or kdf. It is a fleet choice that we made to not deal with the issues of fleet invites, provisions, etc. Hobos are the only KDF fleet I know that do sell ships.
The Massive KDF currently has t5 pets and t3 embassy. In 5 days we will have t5 weapons, which will make our nonship offerings exactly the same as hobos. So yes Hobos were first to market with all nonship offerings by 5 days. However, we have a fed base too...
The Massive FED currently has t3 embassy. In less than 12 hours we will have t5 pets, and two weeks after we will have t5 weapons. We do offer an account option that includes fed+kdf.
if you do not stop advertising your store in our thread, i am going to start giving away invites for free.
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Lol....
im sorry to be blunt ..but if u speak from an economic point of view u should be fired from ur job...like now! :eek:
i deal with economic every day in real life..and what hobo did is anything but smart..they were followed by spectre on fed side..massive kdf style on this side ..and god knows who else..
all of the above including hobo can make a killing selling pets for 10mil ..many times over for charging 20 mil.....massive kdf were the only smart fleet giving also a 50mil account access for us with many toons..
and just to make it crystal clear...most rich players out there have multiple toons.
just a show of example how 10mil is better then 20 from real life :
microsoft , apple ( at first ) , google ( with smartphones) -> all followed the basic rule of selling.....first get a hold of ur market ..then u can raise the price..
companies that didnt follow that lost or loosing the market...IBM lost vs microsoft ...apple almost went bankrupt in 2003 vs microsoft as well ( apple was cheap at first ) , and soon to be apple loosing smartphone ground vs google's android .
and there are many more examples.
at 20mil ..most players will think a lot b4 getting the pets..and ull end up with people paying more .but a small number of people .
with 10mil u gonna have a blackfriday of people coming to u , who cant dish out 10mil .
oh im sure non of u would listen ..economy lamens never do ..and thus ull end up like spectre guys
having to yell on all chat zones that u sell a pet store for 5mil cause nobody would come near u cause they think u just a bunch of ripoffs .
same goes for apple that except in US maybe is holding now just 25% tops of the smartphone market...
have fun with that .
p.s
im too rich to care bout that stuff..if i need it i will pay even the 20mil ( and i got 5 toons atleast that need pets on the kdf side ) , so im not vested in what i wrote on the above , just laughing my ars off another oh so predictable human behavior.