Oh I have no doubt under normal circumstances, the Klingons would have made the advances necessary.
The problem is, by obtaining a warp capable Hurq ship before they were advanced enough to invent them for themselves caused them to skip a vital step socialogically.
In essence, it's like middle ages feudal lords in the 24th century.
Without that Hurq ship, the KDF would not have achieved true space travel on their own for another 10 centuries.
You have no basis of fact for this belief. The Klingons where invade in roughly the 14th century time period. They where basically no less savage or feudal than Humans at the same time and you have no evidence to support that they would not have grown at a similar technological or intellectual speed as humans did in those centuries to come to create a warp drive.
No argument can be given that the invasion did not boost Klingon advancements by a great deal. 700 years ahead of humans in fact at the time.
It was a great boon for the Klingon as a species but hardly demotes them as idiots considering they did manage with basically a 14th century grasp of technology to not only learn to understand the Hurq tech but use it to grow as a species.
Which is part of the reason I resent Klingons so much, attitudes like they embody don't belong to a spacefaring culture, but a bygone era that most cultures have moved beyond long ago.
Cultures only within Gene Roddenberry's Utopian Human outlook. We still have wars, greed and all the old sins of yore in full swing today. We've even seen them in the fictional future of Star Trek.
We have no evidence to support the belief that a more technologically heavily advanced species will be a peaceful no violent species that do not portray such attitudes as you hate among the Klingons.
They may have just grown beyond killing their own kind and really see anything else as substandard.
In fact modern science is actually leaning to the side that any alien species we Humans may encounter may be no more peaceful than we are currently with ourselves. A lot is based on the idea that Predators tend to be the species that move quicker into higher brain function and intellectualism.
So buff up a Hegh'Ta BOP to match Defiant stats and everybody wins!
Only those whom like vanilla gameplay will win as the feds no will longer have a Defiant that stands out in space combat gameplay than the KDF BoPs, or vice versa. It will all just feel the same.
Okay, since you opened the can of worms about the cloak, I shall now hit you over the head with it and shove it down your throat.
The thing that has been my most vicious bone of contention with fanatical KDF is the fact that the Defiant cloak is completely erroneous in terms of game mechanics.
Simply put, it's got the wrong cloak!
The Defiant is a warship, pure and simple.
It's not made to pull punches or play fair!
In the show, the Defiant has a battle cloak.
I know this for a fact because while the Jem'Hadar are firing on the Defiant, Sisko gives the order to "cloak the Defiant and get the hell out of here!".
Also, it's not even Starfleet technology.
The cloaking device for the Defiant was supplied by the Romulans, who, as we've seen now that the faction is out, do use battle cloaks.
And when I pointed this out to a levelheaded KDF fan, he agreed with me that this should be the case.
He also conceded my next point:
That KDF fanatics are so obstinate that Starfleet not have a battle cloak, they are so openly opposed to the suggestion they will fight it on the principle "it's not fair that Starfleet get a battle cloak because we want to be the only faction with battle cloaks".
Although, I've never asked the question, I assume they would be even more opposed to the idea of the Defiant getting universal BOFF stations.
Because this would convert the Defiant into a Bird Of Prey equivalent and oh no, we can't have that! <heavy sarcasm>
Personally, I'm heavily in favor of the Defiant both obtaining a Battle Cloak and Universal stations.
Now, girls and boys, women and men, watch as the rock throwing begins! :rolleyes:
You have to be kidding right? A innate Battle cloak and 5 Uni Boff stations?? LOL the Fleet defiant would be the most OP ship the game has ever seen - it would smash the Jem Bug into pieces(let alone every other ship)
The Defiant could smash 3 bugs, maybe even 4-5 if they got lucky!
When the Defiant fought the Lakota, they had it at the point where one more salvo would have destroyed it.
And let's not forget the Mirror Defiant which took on a Negh'var with only a fighter for support and was tearing it to shreds!
So, yeah, it's meant to be overpowered. :rolleyes:
Keep in mind this was a ship invented to fight the Borg when no other Starfleet vessel was even remotely capable of that feat, even the Starfleet flagship.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Yeah them script writers really made the Defiant a marysue for DS9 to bolster the IP at a time when its popularity was wanning.
The Defiant as it is now ingame it correctly represents the often scripted vessel we saw in DS9. Its tough, hits hard and is nimble.
Oh Jez, really. I can't help, but what was title of this thread? "Defiant needs battle cloak"?
Somehow too many threads reads like this:
Post #1 Klingons are facing extinction!
Post #2 Yes, thats true.
Post #3 No, thats not true!
Post #4 Defiant NEEDS battle cloak!!!
Post #5 Klingons needs more content!
Post #6 Defiant NEEDS all universal Boff-Stations!
Post #7 Klingons are facing extinction more then ever!
Post #8 Why do i only have 7 Weapon Slots on my Defiant?
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Im just waiting for someone to really up the anti by pointing out that the only Defiant ever to show cloaking ability was blown the f*** up by the Breen during the first battle of Chin'toka , and the replacement Defiant never demonstrated it could cloak.
Yeah, a lot of people like to focus on how many ships the Defiant blew up. They seem to conveniently forget that the Defiant was NOT a tough ship. It took a couple hits and it was crippled. It was powerful, but fragile, and yeah, the Breen blew it the f@&# up.
Unfortunately, Escorts are not the glass cannons they were always meant to be. Hell, they're as tanky as some cruisers ffs.
Oh Jez, really. I can't help, but what was title of this thread? "Defiant needs battle cloak"?
Somehow too many threads reads like this:
Post #1 Klingons are facing extinction!
Post #2 Yes, thats true.
Post #3 No, thats not true!
Post #4 Defiant NEEDS battle cloak!!!
Post #5 Klingons needs more content!
Post #6 Defiant NEEDS all universal Boff-Stations!
Post #7 Klingons are facing extinction more then ever!
Post #8 Why do i only have 7 Weapon Slots on my Defiant?
[...]
Yeah they really need to Buff tha under powered Fleet defiant:
Innate Phased battle cloak
50K Hull
5 Fore weapons slots
6 Tac consoles
5 Eng consoles
5 Science consoles
2 Cmd Uni stactions
3 Lt Cmd Uni stations
30 power to Weapons systems
I think that might satisfy the Defiant owners - possibly?
Or just add that to the list of Fed charater traits.
Sadly with the focas to Romulans - I bet the Defiant gets a buff before there are any new c-store kdf ships or buffs to KDF ships - that's how unlikely it is.
LoR will be the last of anything for the KDF(non-romulan) in my opinion.
Lmao @ I Win Console. Defiant is OP and I fly it and BoP. I still prefer BoP for PvP and Defiant for PvE.
Feds are whiny cry babies who always get their way. Witness plasmonic leach and bc giveaways aka Fed aligned Roms.
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
Why? Well, I don't like that the Romulan ships all have 40 energy in the power levels for each category, the whole 'one ship per tier up until near the end' kinda ruins it too since by then I won't be used to the escort feel of the lighter Warbird. Then there's the new KDF tutorial where you get command of your own ship in the best manner possible: Killing the coward and traitor of a Captain after he promotes you to First Officer (original first officer died trying to stop him) and then take your brand new position and immediately start taking out Starfleet ships and capture Franklin Drake, even getting him to the First City where the godly Warden Gazzan's voice actor demonstrates what the Gorn have learned from the Shatner School of Acting. Plus I just love playing as a Gorn, I could never do that as a Romulan character.
Oh, and punching a Ferengi too, easily one of the best parts of the tutorial missions. Not 'Silence the Ferengi', not 'Hit the Ferengi', not 'Strike the Ferengi', but 'Punch the Ferengi...' and then you do it, putting him on the floor, out cold.
If Romulans are allowed to Join the KDF and have access to Romulan ships and KDF ships and gear - what possible reason would any new player roll a Klingon toon?
I mean you can roll a Rommie and come into a KDF fleet and have access to all KDF ships and equipment and you get all the Romulan shinnies to?
All the old KDF players are stuck with just the KDF gear as I see it now.
So unless I am wrong - other than Klingon fandom - what possible reason is there to start/keep a Klingon toon when you can - or a new player can get access to all your stuff+their new stuff?
So those fleets that built up bases - you get to build ships and gear for the Romulans - that you wont have access to as a Klingon!!
I hope I am wrong - but if this is true - the Klingon race is going to almost disappear in STO.
Heh, sorry, not trying to troll or anything, but I just see Grumpy Cat going "Good."
one or two players show up in a PvP match with this uber defiant..and the other team see's them.. and just quits out of the match..
Uber defiant show up for an STF, or a fleet action...other players go.. "why bother" (if they have any brains) and just quit out..
For certain what I would do.. why bother playing if the other person is so over powered that your non-competitive?
Now, back to the original topic..
nope, KDF is not dead, not extinct, not going away.
Expansion Romulans in KDF service are able to bring Science ships into play that should rightly strike fear into the opposition. A Sci ships who's singularity powers nicely offset the fed science/carrier hybrid.
Sure, fed gets some of the Romulan faction players, but the story has a built in bias that would tend to make a Romulan player feel just a tad guilty about allying with the Federation... ...and, for the record, the Romulan/KDF uniforms re definatly smexier! And the Romulan players definatly still dress romulan instead of having that Rom/fed uniform that simply looks like another federation fux leather tunic.
I'm pleased with this expansion the more I play it. WHile not anywhere near as complete as I personally would have like vis vis the KDF..(orions get another ponytail hair style (why not the big hair we soaw on the Orions in the JJ movie? its a common hair style, You can't copywrite a hairstyle people!) , and Klingons get some seriously style'n braids..and Klingon male and female should also have "Big Hair" availible.. (ie, what your hair would look like AFTER you take it out of the braids..)
Still need more uniforms.. could definatly use a couple more skirts, and go look t Val'kris.. the Klingon "spy" at the beginning of Search for SPock (ST-III) definatly need some "civilian" Kdf faction clothing... and the KDF still is in deep need of the KLINGON line of science ships. Fairs fair..Fed's got carrier which were supposed to be a KDF exclusive.. So KDF should get a line of SCience ships, with the appropriate C-STore upgrade versions, and fleet versions.
Some other odds and ends of NPC dialog could use another once over here and there..
..and has been noted in another thread that some of the lower level (fleet action) content KDF characters can do need to be opened up. It's not essential.. but it would be nice to have....
I've seen player returning to the fleet I am part of that haven't played in 2 years.. This is a very good sign.
The KDF faction population is growing. The numbers are unlikely to ever equal Fed faction numbers, but it is all ready improving, which speak well for future PvP development.
All we KDF ever wanted was fair treatment of our chosen faction by the game devs. Most of us take the whole Klingon warrior thing (irregardless of the characters specific race) fairly seriously...and yes, some fed players (vocal, trolling fed players) think the KDF shouldn't even be a seperate faction for all types of self justified reasons. I'm NOT sorry they didn't get thier way. It would have been an action disrespectfull of Trek to have done so. And it would NOT have been canon either.
I hope the Dev's continue to develop KDF content in a fair and equitable way along with Federation content (yep, a lot could use a bit of a make over) and continuing Romulan Republic content.
If there is any additional federation content that should recieve a "Klingonization" pass, I'd like it to be the "Swords" arc where fed players track down Borg technology..though story wise those missions would tend to be awfully deep into federation ..umm... influnenced space.
I think that its time for Cryptic to reduce mission XP across the board by anywhere from 20% or more.. I levelled up a Romulan character to the level cap skipping the entirety of the Trueway mission, the borg missions, the Undine missions, and a few others besides.
Admittadly I do have a built in XP boost due to my Life time membership, but note for the record that a fed player levelling up could easily hit level cap just folloing the mission journal which skips more then 50% of the availible federation content. I levelled my rom to the cap in 4 days of playing..under 40 hours.. thats way to fast.
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You have to be kidding right? A innate Battle cloak and 5 Uni Boff stations?? LOL the Fleet defiant would be the most OP ship the game has ever seen - it would smash the Jem Bug into pieces(let alone every other ship)
Please review the answer to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc
The Defiant could smash 3 bugs, maybe even 4-5 if they got lucky!
When the Defiant fought the Lakota, they had it at the point where one more salvo would have destroyed it.
And let's not forget the Mirror Defiant which took on a Negh'var with only a fighter for support and was tearing it to shreds!
So, yeah, it's meant to be overpowered. :rolleyes:
Keep in mind this was a ship invented to fight the Borg when no other Starfleet vessel was even remotely capable of that feat, even the Starfleet flagship.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
The Defiant as it is now ingame it correctly represents the often scripted vessel we saw in DS9. Its tough, hits hard and is nimble.
R.I.P
I'm quite fond of how it performs in game. I'd hate to see it "fixed" when it ain't broke.
Somehow too many threads reads like this:
Post #1 Klingons are facing extinction!
Post #2 Yes, thats true.
Post #3 No, thats not true!
Post #4 Defiant NEEDS battle cloak!!!
Post #5 Klingons needs more content!
Post #6 Defiant NEEDS all universal Boff-Stations!
Post #7 Klingons are facing extinction more then ever!
Post #8 Why do i only have 7 Weapon Slots on my Defiant?
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That would just be mean though
Unfortunately, Escorts are not the glass cannons they were always meant to be. Hell, they're as tanky as some cruisers ffs.
LoL - now some people have solo'd ISE in an Escort - why is there any need for any other ship in game other than a Tacscort?
Yeah they really need to Buff tha under powered Fleet defiant:
Innate Phased battle cloak
50K Hull
5 Fore weapons slots
6 Tac consoles
5 Eng consoles
5 Science consoles
2 Cmd Uni stactions
3 Lt Cmd Uni stations
30 power to Weapons systems
I think that might satisfy the Defiant owners - possibly?
You missed off i plot armour built in console, its similar to the intrepid Rs ablative armour but make the Defiant invulnerable. Oh and its passive.
That is silly - what about a special "I win" console that blows up any KDF ship within 50km?
Make it have a long cool down - like 30 seconds!
They could even call it ''Captain Sisko's m***r******g pimp hand'' console in homage to the good Captain.
R.I.P
Or just add that to the list of Fed charater traits.
Sadly with the focas to Romulans - I bet the Defiant gets a buff before there are any new c-store kdf ships or buffs to KDF ships - that's how unlikely it is.
LoR will be the last of anything for the KDF(non-romulan) in my opinion.
Elite Defense Stovokor
Feds are whiny cry babies who always get their way. Witness plasmonic leach and bc giveaways aka Fed aligned Roms.
- Judge Aaron Satie
Oh, and punching a Ferengi too, easily one of the best parts of the tutorial missions. Not 'Silence the Ferengi', not 'Hit the Ferengi', not 'Strike the Ferengi', but 'Punch the Ferengi...' and then you do it, putting him on the floor, out cold.
Heh, sorry, not trying to troll or anything, but I just see Grumpy Cat going "Good."
Nah, that won't do.
You forgot to include a singularity core with it's new machanic. I mean, we can't have the Romulans have something that Feds. don't, right? :P:D
Whats a Klingon?
Not everything you see on the internet is true - Abraham Lincoln
Occidere populo et effercio confractus
tell you whats going to happen..
one or two players show up in a PvP match with this uber defiant..and the other team see's them.. and just quits out of the match..
Uber defiant show up for an STF, or a fleet action...other players go.. "why bother" (if they have any brains) and just quit out..
For certain what I would do.. why bother playing if the other person is so over powered that your non-competitive?
Now, back to the original topic..
nope, KDF is not dead, not extinct, not going away.
Expansion Romulans in KDF service are able to bring Science ships into play that should rightly strike fear into the opposition. A Sci ships who's singularity powers nicely offset the fed science/carrier hybrid.
Sure, fed gets some of the Romulan faction players, but the story has a built in bias that would tend to make a Romulan player feel just a tad guilty about allying with the Federation... ...and, for the record, the Romulan/KDF uniforms re definatly smexier! And the Romulan players definatly still dress romulan instead of having that Rom/fed uniform that simply looks like another federation fux leather tunic.
I'm pleased with this expansion the more I play it. WHile not anywhere near as complete as I personally would have like vis vis the KDF..(orions get another ponytail hair style (why not the big hair we soaw on the Orions in the JJ movie? its a common hair style, You can't copywrite a hairstyle people!) , and Klingons get some seriously style'n braids..and Klingon male and female should also have "Big Hair" availible.. (ie, what your hair would look like AFTER you take it out of the braids..)
Still need more uniforms.. could definatly use a couple more skirts, and go look t Val'kris.. the Klingon "spy" at the beginning of Search for SPock (ST-III) definatly need some "civilian" Kdf faction clothing... and the KDF still is in deep need of the KLINGON line of science ships. Fairs fair..Fed's got carrier which were supposed to be a KDF exclusive.. So KDF should get a line of SCience ships, with the appropriate C-STore upgrade versions, and fleet versions.
Some other odds and ends of NPC dialog could use another once over here and there..
..and has been noted in another thread that some of the lower level (fleet action) content KDF characters can do need to be opened up. It's not essential.. but it would be nice to have....
I've seen player returning to the fleet I am part of that haven't played in 2 years.. This is a very good sign.
The KDF faction population is growing. The numbers are unlikely to ever equal Fed faction numbers, but it is all ready improving, which speak well for future PvP development.
All we KDF ever wanted was fair treatment of our chosen faction by the game devs. Most of us take the whole Klingon warrior thing (irregardless of the characters specific race) fairly seriously...and yes, some fed players (vocal, trolling fed players) think the KDF shouldn't even be a seperate faction for all types of self justified reasons. I'm NOT sorry they didn't get thier way. It would have been an action disrespectfull of Trek to have done so. And it would NOT have been canon either.
I hope the Dev's continue to develop KDF content in a fair and equitable way along with Federation content (yep, a lot could use a bit of a make over) and continuing Romulan Republic content.
If there is any additional federation content that should recieve a "Klingonization" pass, I'd like it to be the "Swords" arc where fed players track down Borg technology..though story wise those missions would tend to be awfully deep into federation ..umm... influnenced space.
I think that its time for Cryptic to reduce mission XP across the board by anywhere from 20% or more.. I levelled up a Romulan character to the level cap skipping the entirety of the Trueway mission, the borg missions, the Undine missions, and a few others besides.
Admittadly I do have a built in XP boost due to my Life time membership, but note for the record that a fed player levelling up could easily hit level cap just folloing the mission journal which skips more then 50% of the availible federation content. I levelled my rom to the cap in 4 days of playing..under 40 hours.. thats way to fast.
This transmission ends.
Well, the instances on Qo'noS: First City, Qo'noS space and Omega Leonis sector block that have quadrupled since LoR sing a different song.
R.I.P
There's too many freekin Romulans around the homeworld. There's more convenient and less congested places to conduct business than Qo'nos.
Rommy's GO HOME !
Awoken Dead
Now shaddup about the queues, it's a BUG
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=729031
Yes but as to the original OP - how many of those are Romulan? Have Romulans taken over the homeworld?