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Klingons are facing extinction!!
born2bwild1
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If Romulans are allowed to Join the KDF and have access to Romulan ships and KDF ships and gear - what possible reason would any new player roll a Klingon toon?
I mean you can roll a Rommie and come into a KDF fleet and have access to all KDF ships and equipment and you get all the Romulan shinnies to?
All the old KDF players are stuck with just the KDF gear as I see it now.
So unless I am wrong - other than Klingon fandom - what possible reason is there to start/keep a Klingon toon when you can - or a new player can get access to all your stuff+their new stuff?
So those fleets that built up bases - you get to build ships and gear for the Romulans - that you wont have access to as a Klingon!!
I hope I am wrong - but if this is true - the Klingon race is going to almost disappear in STO.
I mean you can roll a Rommie and come into a KDF fleet and have access to all KDF ships and equipment and you get all the Romulan shinnies to?
All the old KDF players are stuck with just the KDF gear as I see it now.
So unless I am wrong - other than Klingon fandom - what possible reason is there to start/keep a Klingon toon when you can - or a new player can get access to all your stuff+their new stuff?
So those fleets that built up bases - you get to build ships and gear for the Romulans - that you wont have access to as a Klingon!!
I hope I am wrong - but if this is true - the Klingon race is going to almost disappear in STO.
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You underestimate the effectiveness of KDF ships and gear.
No the more I learn and from more comments from Mr Stahl - the more concerned I am that there will be little reason for anyone new to roll a traditional klingon toon - if Romulan/kdf toons have access to exclusive romulans ships/gear and KDF ships gear.
Why would you have a Klingon toon.
Basically starting lvl 1 means nothing now as you might as well start a Romulan and have exclusive access to 2 levels of ships/equipment for 1 toon.
I don't think players fully realize yet just how serious this scenerio is - they hoped for more Klingon blood into the playerbase - but the advatages of running a Rommie/KDF toon are stacked too high against a traditional KDF toon.
As some Klingon players leave they will be replaced with Rommies - the Klingon part of the KDF will get smaller and smaller as time goes on.
don't you think you're over-dramatizing, not to mention jumping the gun, a little too much?
my advice: wait and see how things play out in may (or on tribble, but keep in mind it's a TEST server, meaning anything going up there is a WIP), THEN come back and revisit this subject
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It called rain you, get an umbrella.. check back middle of may.. we'll see what happens then...
if KDF dont get.. THWEN the sky will be falling because the second KDF exodus will happen.
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I can see that someone else pretty much answered it. Thanks nynik!
Luckily enough, not everyone perceives things as one-dimensional. If my Romulan char. gives me access to the fleet Excelsior, do you really think I'll put her in a Fed. ship rather than her own D'Deridex?!?
My Klingons fly Klingon ships.
My Orions fly Syndicate flight-deck cruisers.
My Feds. fly saucery ships with red bussard collectors & blue nacelles.
The only exception would be the Kumari, but since I'm an ENT fan you can't hold that against me. And it's only for my Andorian and noone else.
So, no, I can't see myself saying "Ah, the Roms. give me access to everything, I'll just throw my other chars to the junkyard." and I know quite a few people who are of the same opinion.
Uhm.....because I want to?
Thats how I understood it, the Romulan Republic will be nothing more than a Vassal State to the Fed or KDF depending the route they choose so your only really independent for the development of your Romulan Toon then you choose your Master Fed or KDF.
Point is the same - everyone who has played the KDF was crying about new people avoiding the Klingons because not starting at level 1
now you can start a Klingon at level 1 - but why would a new player - if they can get all the KDF content - ships/gear(or Fed) PLUS all the new Romulan Shinnies?
Answer : they won't - so eventually Klingons/gorn/orion - will be gutted and replaced with Romulans.
So as the old players leave - the KDF population will become more and more Romulan.
If KDF players are ok with this - cool - then there is nothing to worry about.
Personally I am not cool with Romulans becoming the dominate population of the KDF.
That is all.
The above approach is absolutely no different then how the KDF were portrayed throughout the various TNG era series: the Klingons were allies of the Federation, and the two groups could team-up to do various things together - and even exchange gear - but they were still very-much their own societies.
Within the game the Republic is already making alliances with both the Feds and KDF. All the alliance system does is allow a player to make that choice for themselves as they advance. The game is never going to evolve past the point where they are now.
I'm starting to see a lot of Levi3 around here.
First point - yes but there will be more incentive to roll a rommie/kdf - than a normal KDF for the extra potential.
Second point - He was very anti KDF - vs I am worried about this negative affect on the KDF - big difference.
This thread is to bring light to a situation - that if it happens would cause a de-population of Klingons in the KDF.
And of course the real reason - it's not Fair - we other klingons want our 2 sets of cookies to!
THE FEDS ARE FACING EXTINCTION!
Yes - I could start the same thread in the Fed section - but I am less worried about the Fed side than the KDF.
That and the KDF's population is much lower than the Fed and any turnover will quickly be very noticable.
Why did I roll up a Klingon? John M. Ford.
Why will I roll up a Romulan? Diane Carey.
And I like playing them all...
Not quite. For example...there has never been an instance in this game where a Klingon vessel with Federation Tags engages in warfare against the Empire on the side of the Federation.
However....that is EXACTLY what is going to happen with the Romulans. In fact...from a story perspective, the Romulan society will be in a perpetual state of Civil War, with Romulan vessels firing on each other, and working for one side or another.
These people weren't playing KDF all these years for the exciting list of Missions. They were doing so because they like being on the KDF side. Nothing there will change - other then some Feds who always wanted to play Roms will go play Roms, and some Klinks will do likewise.
Let's not fool ourselves. Most of the time Fed Roms will be shooting at KDF Roms only in PvP - and PvP is a minority of the player-base. Plus no one does PvP to role-play. If that were the case you'd never see KvK or FvF PvP in the game.
The rest of the time Roms will be shooting Tal Roms.
If I did not have to walk My Targ I would challenge you to ritual combat for this
Some of us split our time among MANY alts (I have over 40)
They cover the full range
Klingons will live thrive and survive
and the Romulans will NOT have access to all the klingon ships
just a couple
My my I did not think you played the KDF. Where did you find out the info that they will have limited access to KDF ships? You say all - so just 90%? what?
Not surprised.
Besides, it's the Federation, so I don't mind. Just as I wouldn't mind the Romulans if we're allied with them.
Actually...no. The Romulan society is already in a perpetual state of civil war, the only Romulan place of perpetual peace being New Romulus because it's protected by Starfleet and the Klingon Defense Force both.
The Romulan Republic is based on New Romulus. So in essence, when a starship that belongs to this faction attacks an RSE vessel in the FEs it cannot be compared to a B'rel with Fed. tags attacking a KDF Hoh'sus. These starships will not have Fed. or KDF designations, they will have Republic ones - R.R.W., fighting what is now an enemy Romulan faction led by power thirsty psychos that will go to bed with Borg, Iconian or <Enter faviourite uber-villain of the mont here>, just to remain in power.
You can compare it to the first Klingon episodes when you fight against the House of Torg BoPs.
If the PvP situation of Rommies against Rommies was what you had in mind, I must that I'm not keen even to discuss this. It means nothing and I tend to ignore it, setting it under the "for gameplay reasons" file. Why? Because the same happens to the KDF and Starfleet, with same faction PvP. It wouldn't be serious to say that the Federation or KDF are in state of a civil war because of that and same applies for the Romulans.
I believe the Romulan Republic will be the much needed new start for the Romulan species. It's quite obvious that the RSE did not manage to survive the Hobus incident. They may still be out there, but they have turned into a band of war thirsty warlords + Tal'Shiar that are in a state of civil war for regaining controll over what used to be RSE space, driven by personal reasons of egomaniacs and not Romulan interests.
Besides, the Romulans don't need Emperors, they need Praetors. They need their old type of government and lifestyle back. They need the Romulan Republic if they ever hope of being united and a major player in the galaxy again.
Considering what Cryptic are doing to the Romulans, they could have very easily decided a separate KDF wasnt worth the effort and made them ally with the Federation the same way Romulans can choose to.
Its not like your complaining would have made the slightest bit of difference had they decided to do so.