Just because some pixels cost X amount on Z-store doesn't mean they're worth a dime
You are right. But it is called price comparision. If you looked at the cost of all those items in the Legacy pack, and compared them with the projected cost of the items based on what is currently offered in the C-store you get around 181 dollars (I forget the exact amount. But thecosmic1 did the math). That gives it a 56 dollar value.
Yes, that value is based on the idea that you want all the items in the pack and would be willing to pay for it. If you are not, then it is worthless, but that isn't on cryptic that is on you, it is up to you to decide if the price is worth it, that doesn't make the bundle any less of a deal.
In other words, just because it has no value to you doesn't mean it has no value to others. You don't get to speak for everyone. You simply get to decide what you want to do with your own money.
hey there will always be "people" who will want to be paid to play :rolleyes:
btw movies are virtual and yet people pay for them and dont b**ch all day.
We have a Dev Blog planned that will reveal our LTS/ Veteran/ Gold rewards -- we're still going over the details internally, but we'll have it out as soon as everything is finalized. I will make sure that we get it posted in plenty of time before the "limited time" price goes away.
Also, I will say that at launch, Romulans will not have a 1000-day Veteran ship available; however, we are planning to address this as soon as possible.
Exactly! It allows players to pre-order Romulan Ships (and other extras) at a bundled, discounted rate. All of the items (except titles) are currently planned to be available in the C-Store at launch, so you can take advantage of the Dilithium Exchange to obtain them.
Also, the current pricing will only be available for a limited time, so expect it to go up. I don't have a date yet for the price increase.
Not the pack itself, no. Please see the answer above.
Here is the answer from the FAQ: "Consoles that are from Tier 1-4 Romulan ships can ONLY be transferred to other Romulan ships, and consoles that are from T5 Romulan ships can only be used on the specific ship they came on*."
*If there is a T5 Fleet Version of the ship, it should be able to be transfered to it.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
Do you know how much forum rage this might save you if they would just come out and say all this in the announcement thus making it clearer? Imagine the headaches it would save you having to sort it out later. I mean they have to know people are going to ask these kinds of questions.
From what I understand, everything in the pack (possibly with the exception of the titles) will be available to purchase on the c-store when Legacy Launches.
The packs are just a way to get everything at a discount.
Fleet Admiral Joseph D. Ridgeway
The Armada
Original join date: Feb 5, 2010
Twitter: @davejl_99, & @STO_BBArmada
Do you know how much forum rage this might save you if they would just come out and say all this in the announcement thus making it clearer? Imagine the headaches it would save you having to sort it out later. I mean they have to know people are going to ask these kinds of questions.
The reaction that this pack is getting makes it fairly clear how little effort people put into research, and how much they put into knee-jerk reacting.
The information has been out there almost as soon as the bundle was announced. But that hasn't stopped people from completely (and in my opinion unjustly) freaking out about it.
But it is called price comparision. That gives it a 56 dollar value. Yes, that value is based on the idea that you want all the items in the pack and would be willing to pay for it.
wrong
that "value" is based on the premise that price = value
there is one born every minute, there are always fools willing to pay more than something is worth, if your product is marketed to fools it's because it sucks
comparison to other, objectively superior mmo products makes it clear the legacy pack is grossly overpriced
"Don't improve the product, just find dumber customers!"
-Bob the Dinosaur, Dilbert
you are talking in cliches but your statement is false
marketwide cost comparison as I linked two pages ago demonstrates STO charges much more for much less content with more bugs, less reliable servers and more primitive gfx/gameplay than its immediate competitors
I am a gaming afficiando with a job. I also love to read and have many other interests. So, I don't see my choices of recreation as mutually exclusive. I hold active elite subs to all the MMOs listed. I am currently contemplating my next marginal entertainment investment.
MMO #1, produced by a company based in Irvine, CA
-$50 to unlock all content
-$15/mo
-No marginal cost for any functional content
-Some vanity items for ~$15/ea
-At least 500% more content than STO
-Better graphics than STO
-Basically no software bugs and very few hardware bugs (occasional issues with some TCP/IP configurations, Macs, and Nvidia video cards)
MMO #2, produced by a company based in Seoul, Korea
-All content is F2P
-Elite status is $15/mo
-No marginal cost for any functional content
-Many vanity items for ~$3-10/ea
-At least 200% more content than STO
-VASTLY better graphics than STO
-Basically no bugs
-VASTLY better TRIBBLE than STO
MMO #3, produced by a company based in Bellevue, WA
-All content is F2P
-Elite status is $50, one-time fee
-Many vanity items for many different prices
-At least 100% more content than STO
-VASTLY better graphics than STO
-Almost no bugs
-TRIBBLE are far worse than STO or any of its competitors because the game was written by feminists
STO
-One faction is F2P
-Elite status is $150, Legacy status is $125
-Many functional items for $10-50 ea
-Less content than any near competitor
-Worse content than any near competitor
-Many, many bugs
-Graphical/gameplay quality is most similar to the predecessor of MMO #3, which is B2P for $49, one-time.
I am employed as a bookkeeper and operations manager. I am in a MSA/CPA program in the Cincinnati area.
Please - cost-justify this to me. I'm listening.
Offhand, I knew that this was going to be merged with the other thread.
Onhand, your "model" with STO isn't exactly fair. STO has two (2, and I mean 2 factions naysayers) that are free 2 play. By the way, what is Elite status supposed to be ?
that "value" is based on the premise that price = value
there is one born every minute, there are always fools willing to pay more than something is worth, if your product is marketed to fools it's because it sucks
comparison to other, objectively superior mmo products makes it clear the legacy pack is grossly overpriced
"Don't improve the product, just find dumber customers!"
-Bob the Dinosaur, Dilbert
And what is this "objectively superior mmo products"? I compared it to Current C-store items of the same category. So you are saying EVERYTHING in the C-store is overpriced? What about lifetime subscriptions, are those overpriced?
that "value" is based on the premise that price = value
there is one born every minute, there are always fools willing to pay more than something is worth, if your product is marketed to fools it's because it sucks
comparison to other, objectively superior mmo products makes it clear the legacy pack is grossly overpriced
"Don't improve the product, just find dumber customers!"
-Bob the Dinosaur, Dilbert
And what is this "objectively superior mmo products"? I compared it to Current C-store items of the same category. So you are saying EVERYTHING in the C-store is overpriced? What about lifetime subscriptions, are those overpriced?
lifetime sub is $150, it buys about 1/3-1/5th the content of superior mmos that cost $0-50 upfront and $0-15/month, and it doesn't include P2W items
mathematically, a lifetime sub is break-even if you plan on playing STO religiously for about 10-20 years
Onhand, your "model" with STO isn't exactly fair. STO has two (2, and I mean 2 factions naysayers) that are free 2 play. By the way, what is Elite status supposed to be ?
means p2w but then starts b***ing about p2w...and so on .pretty sure is just trolling.
you are talking in cliches but your statement is false
marketwide cost comparison as I linked two pages ago demonstrates STO charges much more for much less content with more bugs, less reliable servers and more primitive gfx/gameplay than its immediate competitors
Cliche? Taking the time to look up what is and is not contained in a given product before flipping out about the cost of said product is cliche?
that "value" is based on the premise that price = value
there is one born every minute, there are always fools willing to pay more than something is worth, if your product is marketed to fools it's because it sucks
comparison to other, objectively superior mmo products makes it clear the legacy pack is grossly overpriced
"Don't improve the product, just find dumber customers!"
-Bob the Dinosaur, Dilbert
Name calling others is clearly the mark of the desperate.
Don't like it, don't buy it. This is a C-store ship item sale with a title and a costume thrown in.
It just seems that you are trying to manipulate people to get the items cheaper.
So you do want them, but you do not have the funds to pay for them, and thus try to devalue them.
If you did not want them, why would you care?
And so far I did not see a lot of people agreeing with you , only disagreeing. Argument going in your favour, right.
Let us wear Swimsuits on Foundry maps or bridges please! I would pay zen for that.
Relativism is the last resort of a frustrated debater
Cost-comparison with other MMOs and similar products make it clear the items are overpriced by at least a factor of ten
There's one born every minute
And confrontationalism is generally the last resort of those who do not understand the world you live in.
You pay for cable? It's just bits on a TV screen which only contribute to enjoyment. You pay for internet? It's just bits on a computer screen. You pay for Sirius Radio? It's just sounds coming out of a radio.
Most of the things we interact with in our daily lives for enjoyment have no tangible value.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
I didn't call you a fool. nor did I imply you are one. the only name-caller here is you.
you are looking to scream troll in a discussion that is not proceeding in your favor.
"I'll let you decide if you're a fool." a cookie for whoever places the quote!
Barely legible yellow text doesn't make your points any better.
"Participation in PVP-related activities is so low on an hourly, daily, weekly, and monthly basis that we could in fact just completely take it out of STO and it would not impact the overall number of people [who] log in to the game and play in any significant way." -Gozer, Cryptic PvP Dev
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Price =/= value
Revenue =/= investment
All utility in a MMO is zero sum
A new P2W item diminishes all existing utility and is a zero sum to the net worth of the game
Relativism is the last resort of a frustrated debater
Cost-comparison with other MMOs and similar products make it clear the items are overpriced by at least a factor of ten
There's one born every minute
You are right. But it is called price comparision. If you looked at the cost of all those items in the Legacy pack, and compared them with the projected cost of the items based on what is currently offered in the C-store you get around 181 dollars (I forget the exact amount. But thecosmic1 did the math). That gives it a 56 dollar value.
Yes, that value is based on the idea that you want all the items in the pack and would be willing to pay for it. If you are not, then it is worthless, but that isn't on cryptic that is on you, it is up to you to decide if the price is worth it, that doesn't make the bundle any less of a deal.
Then don't buy it.
hey there will always be "people" who will want to be paid to play :rolleyes:
btw movies are virtual and yet people pay for them and dont b**ch all day.
I wanted the pack but $125 is tooooooo much. Are all those items exclusive to the pack?
I really want some of the things, and am willing to pay single items for when the time comes.
I hope STO get's better ...
Do you know how much forum rage this might save you if they would just come out and say all this in the announcement thus making it clearer? Imagine the headaches it would save you having to sort it out later. I mean they have to know people are going to ask these kinds of questions.
The packs are just a way to get everything at a discount.
The Armada
Original join date: Feb 5, 2010
Twitter: @davejl_99, & @STO_BBArmada
The reaction that this pack is getting makes it fairly clear how little effort people put into research, and how much they put into knee-jerk reacting.
The information has been out there almost as soon as the bundle was announced. But that hasn't stopped people from completely (and in my opinion unjustly) freaking out about it.
wrong
that "value" is based on the premise that price = value
there is one born every minute, there are always fools willing to pay more than something is worth, if your product is marketed to fools it's because it sucks
comparison to other, objectively superior mmo products makes it clear the legacy pack is grossly overpriced
"Don't improve the product, just find dumber customers!"
-Bob the Dinosaur, Dilbert
Mine Trap Supporter
you are talking in cliches but your statement is false
marketwide cost comparison as I linked two pages ago demonstrates STO charges much more for much less content with more bugs, less reliable servers and more primitive gfx/gameplay than its immediate competitors
So is making assertions without any attempt to back them up. How on Earth did you calculate that? Oh good, I was really wondering what your judgement was regarding people who buy C-Store items.
And honestly, the true sign of a frustrated debater is a clear inability to see any other viewpoint but his/her own.
Offhand, I knew that this was going to be merged with the other thread.
Onhand, your "model" with STO isn't exactly fair. STO has two (2, and I mean 2 factions naysayers) that are free 2 play. By the way, what is Elite status supposed to be ?
And what is this "objectively superior mmo products"? I compared it to Current C-store items of the same category. So you are saying EVERYTHING in the C-store is overpriced? What about lifetime subscriptions, are those overpriced?
a company in irvine said that
then they lost about 3 million subs
so, your argument boils down to you want STO to fail? or what are you trying to say?
Ah.
Abuse.
lifetime sub is $150, it buys about 1/3-1/5th the content of superior mmos that cost $0-50 upfront and $0-15/month, and it doesn't include P2W items
mathematically, a lifetime sub is break-even if you plan on playing STO religiously for about 10-20 years
means p2w but then starts b***ing about p2w...and so on .pretty sure is just trolling.
Cliche? Taking the time to look up what is and is not contained in a given product before flipping out about the cost of said product is cliche?
last I checked. Lifetime was 299.99. 199.99 if you buy it on sale.
After all we were (and I speak formyslef when I say , I am) Loyal to you Cryptic
Either way Good Luck with LoR
I hope STO get's better ...
That's not necessary right?
I didn't call you a fool. nor did I imply you are one. the only name-caller here is you.
you are looking to scream troll in a discussion that is not proceeding in your favor.
"I'll let you decide if you're a fool." a cookie for whoever places the quote!
Name calling others is clearly the mark of the desperate.
Don't like it, don't buy it. This is a C-store ship item sale with a title and a costume thrown in.
It just seems that you are trying to manipulate people to get the items cheaper.
So you do want them, but you do not have the funds to pay for them, and thus try to devalue them.
If you did not want them, why would you care?
And so far I did not see a lot of people agreeing with you , only disagreeing. Argument going in your favour, right.
You pay for cable? It's just bits on a TV screen which only contribute to enjoyment. You pay for internet? It's just bits on a computer screen. You pay for Sirius Radio? It's just sounds coming out of a radio.
Most of the things we interact with in our daily lives for enjoyment have no tangible value.
Don't think so. I'm guessing all of your stuff will be available to claim in the C-store once everything goes live.
Mine Trap Supporter
Barely legible yellow text doesn't make your points any better.