Using rather subjective methods to turn opinions into numbers and then make conclusions predicated on their supposed accuracy, possibly to fit into her previous rants against the STO community. A flawed premise at best.
she proved out of the over 700 posts most were from the same persons and only 192 accounts were used either pro or anti LoR...even with both still not a lot of people.
"If you don't like it don't play it. It doesn't get any simpler than that."
Thank you.
Sorry but I've always found that's a bullcrap response. Especially from a developer. It basically amounts to "Shut up or leave". Bull.
If we don't like something, would you rather we tell you or just quit and say nothing? What sense would that make? If you ever did TRIBBLE something up (like, say, lying to us about dilithium rewards) people would just disappear and you'd be left wondering what happened. That only works if you want to live in an imaginary world where nothing is ever wrong.
Please stop taking this stance. It makes you look like you don't care about players or their concerns.
romulans flying starfleet vessels is absolutely absurd.
You do have a point especially looking back to that episode where in the voyager series where they were attempting to steal the promethius Now they can just buy one which is ironic as well when picard said currency does not exist in the future.
[Terilynn] Will the new Romulan faction have full access to a Duty Officer system?
[dStahl] Yes. Romulan captains and ships will be able to use the Duty Officer System and we are adding Romulans and Remans to Duty Officer Packs. We also have exclusive Romulan DOFF packs planned in the near future. Romulans will be able to completely outfit their ships with Romulan/Reman DOFFs and BOFFs. FED and KDF captains will also be able to obtain Romulan and Reman bridge officers. We also plan to offer Romulan Republic flavored Duty Officer Missions.
Maybe it would make sense if Romulans had access to decommissioned Starfleet vessels. Although we aren't scraping them for parts and stuff is a mystery.
Otherwise, I agree that it's absurd. It crosses a line in a way that goes beyond the lock box stuff.
[dStahl] This is where Romulan Republic captains have an advantage. Not only can they pilot their exclusive Warbird class ships with singularity cores, but they also gain the ability to command ships of their ally, much like Kira Nerys would command the Defiant while still wearing her Bajoran Militia uniform.
Romulans also gain access to the Fleet Ships of their chosen ally as well as any Romulan Republic only Fleet ships. They can also fly any limited edition lock box ship as well.
Who on earth dreamed up this stupid idea? Everything I've heard about the Romulans I love and was excited about until I learned that they are going to be zooming about in Fleet Defiants. This is incredibly STUPID.
You're even planning to give Romulans their own fleet ships only accessible by them - which is good. Deny them access to FED/KDF fleet ships!
I was thanking him for his viewpoint, and I didn't say the words (despite the way you edited the quote). Those were someone else's words. It is illustrating the point that you can't please everyone all the time. The fact that we've created a Romulan faction at all is testimony that we listened to player requests. Some people are happy with it, some aren't. We are listening and considering the feedback. We'll consider changes as we have in the past. If at the end of the day you decide that you just don't like our decisions, then all I can say is that I'm sorry.
If people convince Cryptic to take away a choice that they wanted to give us, that will set a very bad precedent.
Which would be what exactly ?
That a Cardassian faction won't be flying Defiants ?
That a Dominion faction won't be flying Birds of Prey ?
That a Borg faction won't be flying War Birds ?
Taking away that kind of a "bad precedent" would be a blessing .
At launch, Romulans will not be able to play Foundry missions until they choose an ally, and then they can only play Foundry missions created for that Ally. As many have suggested, we will be adding a new filter that will allow Foundry authors to create Romulan specific missions that only Romulans (of either faction) can fly and team together for.
When will foundry authors be able to create Romulan foundry missions and when will Roms be able to play them?
Btw, great Freudian slip: "Romulans (of either faction)..."
she proved out of the over 700 posts most were from the same persons and only 192 accounts were used either pro or anti LoR...even with both still not a lot of people.
Again, using her entirely subjective opinions on what qualified to which category. From one thread only. Where she discounted 47% of the posts.
Terrible journalism. Especially when you consider she apparently has commented on STO players in the past with comments like players who play STF Elites are "pathetic" and people who PvP need to "get a life", and "go play WoW". Link Here
There is the fact that D'Tan's Romulans are trying to get away from all the deception. On New Romulus and around Tau Dewa, anytime you fight Romulans now, they are the Tal'Shiar, who have been a threat for a long time. The federation is simply trying to help a group that they see as another ally who needs their help.
And they can have all the Mirandas they want, but let's be clear: Starfleet's never been beyond grand and foolish gestures of good faith, however there's a pretty thick red line being crossed when you're furnishing a very unstable foreign power with large quantities of your own top of the line equipment. It's not done. You always hold something back. And I'd say T4 is the limit. Certainly not the fleet or C-store variants.
They won't go for it, though. I have no illusions about that. The entire point is that the other factions' ships includes the C-store ones. Sell sell sell. They're of course particularly hoping that with the stealth trait, and the KDF option, that means most Romulans will go that way and they'll be able to recoup the losses on some of the ships they've been building for those smelly deadbeats all these years, and I can only heartily hope they succeed overwhelmingly.
I suppose we'll either just have to lock the Romulans out of 'their' ship's prefix codes, and hope that keeps them in line, or remind the Romulans that they're at colony strength, and we've squashed bugs that were tougher than that. Though that last one really seems more like the KDF option.
A lot of the... "requests", if that's what you want to call them, in these numerous cry threads seem to be from people that have either never played this game, or paid no attention whatsoever when they did so. Of course the factions are going to share missions. Why wouldn't they? Just silly.
Also, nice to know I'll have Remans unlocked from day 1 because I did the New Romulus rep already. Cool.
The Alien-Gen answer also makes a lot of sense.
This was a really straightforward and informative blog. Much appreciated.
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In hindsight, do you regret reserving a post on the first page, that got overlooked by most people and/or forced them to constantly go back to Page 1 to see if any comments were added ?
In hindsight, do you regret reserving a post on the first page, that got overlooked by most people and/or forced them to constantly go back to Page 1 to see if any comments were added ?
Sorry, I had to. Please never do that again.
This was actually at the request of others because when I post deep into threads like this, very few if any people see my responses. By having my responses on page one, people who come in later will see the additional Q&A. Sorry - it is a little weird, but it helps keeps my responses together.
I'm not entirely thrilled with this Romulan Alliance idea, but I understand what Cryptic is trying to do here. But since this is the way it is, I was thinking; you know, one thing that Cryptic might could add to the Romulans by way of their Subterfuge trait is, in PvP, no one can tell which Romulans are on their side until they start shooting at them.
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Speaking of ships, are there going to be non-d'deridex style warbirds available at top level? Birds of prey and suchlike, I mean. And if there are, how similar will romulan birds of prey be to klingon ones? And do all romulan ships have singularity cores or just the larger warbird ones?
I started way too many sentences with 'and' there, my old english teacher would probably have a fit lol.
Edit- I know I've been perhaps a little unfair at times with my criticism, so I just want to clarify: Overall, I'm ecstatic about the idea of being able to play as a romulan, and God knows I'm still excited about it. It's just a couple of little things, like a lack of fleets and access to other factions ships that's ruining it a bit for me. I'll still play it, it's just soured by knowing it could be so much better with a few simple changes.
This was actually at the request of others because when I post deep into threads like this, very few if any people see my responses. By having my responses on page one, people who come in later will see the additional Q&A. Sorry - it is a little weird, but it helps keeps my responses together.
Any chance you could respond in real-time and then just update your reserved thread as you post? That way it functions as an archive (as you intend) while letting people engaged in the ongoing discussion see your posts as they appear.
This was actually at the request of others because when I post deep into threads like this, very few if any people see my responses. By having my responses on page one, people who come in later will see the additional Q&A. Sorry - it is a little weird, but it helps keeps my responses together.
Any chance you could respond in real-time and then just update your reserved thread as you post? That way it functions as an archive (as you intend) while letting people engaged in the ongoing discussion see your posts as they appear.
I'm glad that Romulans will be able to crew their ships with Romulan BOffs and Doffs, at least. Not so happy about Feds/KDF also getting Romulan crews.
Still don't like the alliance thing, although at least Romulans will be able to team with each other for neutral missions, I guess? But I'm not silly enough to believe it'll be scrapped in a month. I still think it ultimately makes Romulans just Fed or KDF characters, especially with the ship sharing, and in such a way that essentially prevents the "faction" from being further fleshed out; I just can't see any MMO company forcing players out of their current fleets to do so.
All in all, I'm still convinced this "faction" was designed with the Z-store foremost in mind, which is ultimately why I dislike f2p systems.
This was actually at the request of others because when I post deep into threads like this, very few if any people see my responses. By having my responses on page one, people who come in later will see the additional Q&A. Sorry - it is a little weird, but it helps keeps my responses together.
I was thanking him for his viewpoint, and I didn't say the words (despite the way you edited the quote). Those were someone else's words. It is illustrating the point that you can't please everyone all the time. The fact that we've created a Romulan faction at all is testimony that we listened to player requests. Some people are happy with it, some aren't. We are listening and considering the feedback. We'll consider changes as we have in the past. If at the end of the day you decide that you just don't like our decisions, then all I can say is that I'm sorry.
Indeed I never meant to imply that you said those words. You have said similar in the past, but I just didn't know how to do a quote within a quote, lol.
That being said, the idea of "If you don't like it, don't play it" suggests an end to the conversation. That's the feeling I get when I hear a developer say that phrase. I think it's fair to suggest that the systems within STO are much more often in a state of continual development (ie KDF) than in other games. To me, I think this means an open dialogue with the players is much more important than other games, and is perhaps a unique feature of STO.
It's a pet peeve of mine when I hear someone suggest that the discussion isn't worth having. If anything, I think you guys can see just how many people are passionate about the faction and the things we feel it's lacking, or how different it is to what we were hoping for.
Honestly, I've still yet to see anything that makes this a faction. If you'd made romulans playable to both other factions and dropped a couple warbirds in the C-store we'd have the same effect.
How is 40 levels of Romulan-specific content, Romulan/Reman captains, unique uniforms and 50 levels of unique ships the same as what you said?
What you describe is nowhere nears the same as what we are getting. My Romulans may never deal with their allies at all, unless I decide to do so at endgame. That, to me, is a true faction.
What ship is that? Speaking of ships, are there going to be non-d'deridex style warbirds available at top level? Birds of prey and suchlike, I mean. And if there are, how similar will romulan birds of prey be to klingon ones? And do all romulan ships have singularity cores or just the larger warbird ones?
The ship in that screen is the ship that I upgraded to after joining the Republic Fleet and reaching level 11. It is exclusive to the Romulan Republic. There will be a blog later that goes over the ships and details. There will be a variety of Rom Republic ships at end game, it isn't just D'Deridex only. Most of the ships you fly in the Republic will have End Game versions.
Just read the article but not the subsequent 11 pages but here is my initial response:
The KDF has seemingly been massacred in this update as people who wish to play with KDF ships have no reason not to just roll a romulan as they then get an increase in the number of available ships and a big boost to alpha strike decloak bonuses, not to mention potential singularity core bonuses. The only reason to actually roll a pure KDF toon is to get a non Romulan species such as Orion, Ferasian etc and to play the Fek'lhiri mission series. The same pretty much applies to the Feds to a certain degree.
Perhaps a little more differentiation between 'factions' could have been made as right now it seems the Romulan faction does not limit itself enough to encourage use of the other parent factions. In short Romulans get too much for not enough 'give'.
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she proved out of the over 700 posts most were from the same persons and only 192 accounts were used either pro or anti LoR...even with both still not a lot of people.
Are you kidding me ? Romulans LOVE Mozart !!
Look what they did to a guy who who was dissing Mozart .
Sorry but I've always found that's a bullcrap response. Especially from a developer. It basically amounts to "Shut up or leave". Bull.
If we don't like something, would you rather we tell you or just quit and say nothing? What sense would that make? If you ever did TRIBBLE something up (like, say, lying to us about dilithium rewards) people would just disappear and you'd be left wondering what happened. That only works if you want to live in an imaginary world where nothing is ever wrong.
Please stop taking this stance. It makes you look like you don't care about players or their concerns.
You do have a point especially looking back to that episode where in the voyager series where they were attempting to steal the promethius
Gotta love the irony
Woohoo
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Otherwise, I agree that it's absurd. It crosses a line in a way that goes beyond the lock box stuff.
How could CBS approve this choice?
Who on earth dreamed up this stupid idea? Everything I've heard about the Romulans I love and was excited about until I learned that they are going to be zooming about in Fleet Defiants. This is incredibly STUPID.
You're even planning to give Romulans their own fleet ships only accessible by them - which is good. Deny them access to FED/KDF fleet ships!
Kirk's Protege.
Funny, you have not sent a reply about the fact that people are upset with romulans being able to fly Starfleet an Klingon ships...
I was thanking him for his viewpoint, and I didn't say the words (despite the way you edited the quote). Those were someone else's words. It is illustrating the point that you can't please everyone all the time. The fact that we've created a Romulan faction at all is testimony that we listened to player requests. Some people are happy with it, some aren't. We are listening and considering the feedback. We'll consider changes as we have in the past. If at the end of the day you decide that you just don't like our decisions, then all I can say is that I'm sorry.
Which would be what exactly ?
That a Cardassian faction won't be flying Defiants ?
That a Dominion faction won't be flying Birds of Prey ?
That a Borg faction won't be flying War Birds ?
Taking away that kind of a "bad precedent" would be a blessing .
Heh .... good one ... .
When will foundry authors be able to create Romulan foundry missions and when will Roms be able to play them?
Btw, great Freudian slip: "Romulans (of either faction)..."
Again, using her entirely subjective opinions on what qualified to which category. From one thread only. Where she discounted 47% of the posts.
Terrible journalism. Especially when you consider she apparently has commented on STO players in the past with comments like players who play STF Elites are "pathetic" and people who PvP need to "get a life", and "go play WoW". Link Here
We're supposed to believe her objectivity? Right.
And they can have all the Mirandas they want, but let's be clear: Starfleet's never been beyond grand and foolish gestures of good faith, however there's a pretty thick red line being crossed when you're furnishing a very unstable foreign power with large quantities of your own top of the line equipment. It's not done. You always hold something back. And I'd say T4 is the limit. Certainly not the fleet or C-store variants.
They won't go for it, though. I have no illusions about that. The entire point is that the other factions' ships includes the C-store ones. Sell sell sell. They're of course particularly hoping that with the stealth trait, and the KDF option, that means most Romulans will go that way and they'll be able to recoup the losses on some of the ships they've been building for those smelly deadbeats all these years, and I can only heartily hope they succeed overwhelmingly.
I suppose we'll either just have to lock the Romulans out of 'their' ship's prefix codes, and hope that keeps them in line, or remind the Romulans that they're at colony strength, and we've squashed bugs that were tougher than that. Though that last one really seems more like the KDF option.
A lot of the... "requests", if that's what you want to call them, in these numerous cry threads seem to be from people that have either never played this game, or paid no attention whatsoever when they did so. Of course the factions are going to share missions. Why wouldn't they? Just silly.
Also, nice to know I'll have Remans unlocked from day 1 because I did the New Romulus rep already. Cool.
The Alien-Gen answer also makes a lot of sense.
This was a really straightforward and informative blog. Much appreciated.
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Sorry, I had to. Please never do that again.
This was actually at the request of others because when I post deep into threads like this, very few if any people see my responses. By having my responses on page one, people who come in later will see the additional Q&A. Sorry - it is a little weird, but it helps keeps my responses together.
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What ship is that?
Speaking of ships, are there going to be non-d'deridex style warbirds available at top level? Birds of prey and suchlike, I mean. And if there are, how similar will romulan birds of prey be to klingon ones? And do all romulan ships have singularity cores or just the larger warbird ones?
I started way too many sentences with 'and' there, my old english teacher would probably have a fit lol.
Edit- I know I've been perhaps a little unfair at times with my criticism, so I just want to clarify: Overall, I'm ecstatic about the idea of being able to play as a romulan, and God knows I'm still excited about it. It's just a couple of little things, like a lack of fleets and access to other factions ships that's ruining it a bit for me. I'll still play it, it's just soured by knowing it could be so much better with a few simple changes.
Any chance you could respond in real-time and then just update your reserved thread as you post? That way it functions as an archive (as you intend) while letting people engaged in the ongoing discussion see your posts as they appear.
It makes perfect sense and I thank you for it.
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Sure. I'll start doing that.
Still don't like the alliance thing, although at least Romulans will be able to team with each other for neutral missions, I guess? But I'm not silly enough to believe it'll be scrapped in a month. I still think it ultimately makes Romulans just Fed or KDF characters, especially with the ship sharing, and in such a way that essentially prevents the "faction" from being further fleshed out; I just can't see any MMO company forcing players out of their current fleets to do so.
All in all, I'm still convinced this "faction" was designed with the Z-store foremost in mind, which is ultimately why I dislike f2p systems.
I forgive you... this time !
Brilliant. Thanks, Dan!
Indeed I never meant to imply that you said those words. You have said similar in the past, but I just didn't know how to do a quote within a quote, lol.
That being said, the idea of "If you don't like it, don't play it" suggests an end to the conversation. That's the feeling I get when I hear a developer say that phrase. I think it's fair to suggest that the systems within STO are much more often in a state of continual development (ie KDF) than in other games. To me, I think this means an open dialogue with the players is much more important than other games, and is perhaps a unique feature of STO.
It's a pet peeve of mine when I hear someone suggest that the discussion isn't worth having. If anything, I think you guys can see just how many people are passionate about the faction and the things we feel it's lacking, or how different it is to what we were hoping for.
How is 40 levels of Romulan-specific content, Romulan/Reman captains, unique uniforms and 50 levels of unique ships the same as what you said?
What you describe is nowhere nears the same as what we are getting. My Romulans may never deal with their allies at all, unless I decide to do so at endgame. That, to me, is a true faction.
The ship in that screen is the ship that I upgraded to after joining the Republic Fleet and reaching level 11. It is exclusive to the Romulan Republic. There will be a blog later that goes over the ships and details. There will be a variety of Rom Republic ships at end game, it isn't just D'Deridex only. Most of the ships you fly in the Republic will have End Game versions.
The KDF has seemingly been massacred in this update as people who wish to play with KDF ships have no reason not to just roll a romulan as they then get an increase in the number of available ships and a big boost to alpha strike decloak bonuses, not to mention potential singularity core bonuses. The only reason to actually roll a pure KDF toon is to get a non Romulan species such as Orion, Ferasian etc and to play the Fek'lhiri mission series. The same pretty much applies to the Feds to a certain degree.
Perhaps a little more differentiation between 'factions' could have been made as right now it seems the Romulan faction does not limit itself enough to encourage use of the other parent factions. In short Romulans get too much for not enough 'give'.
Still waiting to be able to use forum titles